| 02:49:47 | newbie | anyone else failed to get a 3135 working with X? I found a solution...not great but a solution anyway |
| 02:50:18 | bipolar_ | newbie: someone with the nick HET2 has a 31xx working. |
| 02:50:38 | | HET2 was last seen on #handhelds.org 9 hours, 51 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: argh [Mon Dec 3 16:59:11 2001] |
| 02:50:38 | bipolar_ | ibot seen HET2 |
| 02:50:45 | bipolar_ | lol |
| 02:51:03 | bipolar_ | starts thinking about monty python... |
| 02:51:14 | Disconnect | newbie: let a7r know .. |
| 04:03:54 | Morn | Hi |
| 04:04:07 | Morn | does the boot loader work with PocketPC 2002? |
| 04:53:53 | galen | I'm having difficulty getting my ipaq to boot into linux |
| 05:03:34 | Morn | is away: laying down a bit |
| 05:30:52 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 05:34:46 | sgodsell | is away: The bed looks wonderful in my dreams right now |
| 06:47:06 | Wormo | hiya cpage |
| 06:47:10 | cpage | hey wormo |
| 06:47:28 | Wormo | a7r: you here? |
| 06:47:38 | | a7r is the author of the familiar distribution or at mailto:a7r@andern.org or one of the more short-tempered admins for the handhelds channels. |
| 06:47:38 | cpage | ibot a7r |
| 06:47:43 | | a7r was last seen on #handhelds.org 13 hours, 42 minutes and 55 seconds ago, saying: dc: run depmod, and rebuild your dependencies. [Mon Dec 3 17:04:48 2001] |
| 06:47:43 | cpage | ibot seen a7r |
| 06:47:57 | Wormo | hmm not sounding good |
| 06:48:00 | cpage | yeah |
| 07:46:20 | DragonEagle | is away: good night |
| 10:23:26 | WolfSoul | hi |
| 10:25:39 | WolfSoul | anyone here who could tell me how to get the blackbox windowbar a bit smaler ? |
| 11:31:04 | DragonEagle | is away: work |
| 11:58:13 | prh | greeno: ta |
| 11:58:58 | greeno | wrong # - but no problem ;-) |
| 11:59:02 | prh | 1 |
| 12:26:42 | szachari | hi.. can someone please tell me how do I see how much /mnt/ramfs space I have left with familiar 0.5? df does not show /mnt/ramfs (although it is mounted)... it used to work with familiar 0.4 ... |
| 12:41:05 | WolfSoul | try df -ah |
| 12:51:26 | MarNuke | howdy |
| 12:51:57 | MarNuke | i'm having problems suspending correctly |
| 12:53:50 | paul_ | really? or is it resuming thats the problem? describe? |
| 14:33:28 | | password is probably perl -e 'print crypt("somerandompassword","somerandomsalt") . "n";' |
| 14:33:28 | jtm | ibot: password |
| 14:34:17 | jtm | hey guys, it might be helpful to put that on the familiar FAQ under the "what is my password" question... |
| 14:34:29 | jtm | Q. How do I chang the root password? |
| 14:34:52 | jtm | I am going to see if I can find a spot in the wiki pages to put it |
| 14:35:06 | WolfSoul | like ipot just told you |
| 14:36:11 | WolfSoul | the default pass is "rootme" if you want to change it you have to generate the encrypted password yourself and modify your passwd |
| 14:36:55 | jtm | WolfSoul: yes I know. Thank you, I would like it to be easier to do though. |
| 14:37:20 | jtm | WolfSoul: I asked ibot about it because I figured it would have the answer I was looking for |
| 14:37:43 | WolfSoul | thought so |
| 14:38:43 | WolfSoul | duno if python has a crypt module if it has it should be easy to make a nice lill gtk app for normal users :) |
| 14:39:06 | jtm | WolfSoul: good idea? Unfor, I do not know python |
| 14:39:56 | WolfSoul | same here, i'm a perl guy ;) |
| 14:40:13 | WolfSoul | but perl is to big for a vanilla ipaq :/ |
| 14:41:10 | WolfSoul | hmm, maybe it's better to make a sysset module to change the password instead of a own app |
| 14:41:43 | jtm | i added this procedure and the request for an easier method to the WIki page at |
| 14:41:52 | jtm | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/FamiliarDistribution |
| 14:42:11 | jtm | WolfSoul: what is sysset? |
| 14:44:19 | WolfSoul | it's a lill python proggie cworth wrote to configure sone system settings on the ipaq |
| 14:45:00 | WolfSoul | right now it's only capable of setting date n time iirc |
| 14:47:19 | WolfSoul | ...and hostname *g |
| 14:48:30 | WolfSoul | hmmm, i just looked over the two existing sysset modules, it looks easy to extend sysset :) |
| 15:00:07 | jtm | WolfSoul: \ makes the s quote appear BUT also the \ shows up.../ doesnt do it... |
| 15:00:07 | WolfSoul | hmmm, leme check |
| 15:00:07 | jtm | i cant find the html code for a single quote |
| 15:00:55 | WolfSoul | BTW what you write on the page is not quite right |
| 15:01:05 | jtm | WolfSoul: i got it from ibot |
| 15:01:11 | | password is perl -e 'print crypt("somerandompassword","somerandomsalt") . "n";' |
| 15:01:11 | jtm | ibot: password |
| 15:02:20 | WolfSoul | you have to paste the perl oneliner to a shell and replace the two strings in the () to reflect your needs, then perl encodes your pass with and writes the encrypted pass to STDOUT |
| 15:03:12 | WolfSoul | now you only have to replace the old encrypted pass in /etc/passwd with your new one |
| 15:03:43 | jtm | WolfSoul: yes that is more descriptive but I just wrestled witht he single quote issure and figured it out |
| 15:03:50 | jtm | s/issure/issue |
| 15:04:57 | WolfSoul | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/StructuredTextRules |
| 15:09:25 | jtm | WolfSoul: i added your clarifications to the page |
| 15:09:32 | WolfSoul | thx |
| 15:39:04 | Morn | is back (gone 10:35:22) |
| 15:49:50 | boodle | is away: "So little to do, so much time... strike that, reverse it!" -- W. Wonka |
| 16:55:07 | Morn | is away: foraging for food... |
| 16:58:49 | jtmAWAY | does the postinst script go away after running itself? |
| 16:58:58 | jtmAWAY | or after i run it |
| 16:59:14 | jtmAWAY | guess not. |
| 17:09:45 | WolfSoul | no it doesn't |
| 17:16:41 | jtmAWAY | Why is it that the fonts are bigger after postinst? |
| 17:16:55 | jtmAWAY | what do i need to do to rxvt to make it actually work right. |
| 17:17:34 | jtmAWAY | the gtk menu runs the same font size no matter what entry I choose |
| 17:17:48 | jtmAWAY | familiar .5 |
| 17:18:48 | WolfSoul | edit your .Xdefaults and .gtkrc in /root |
| 17:21:26 | jtmAWAY | ok |
| 17:22:18 | WolfSoul | got a similar problem here with blackbox right now |
| 17:22:35 | WolfSoul | after i switched to BB this morning everything is way to big |
| 17:23:05 | WolfSoul | but i not so familiar with BB so right now it all still is to big *g |
| 17:23:23 | jtmAWAY | WolfSoul: not using BB yet |
| 17:23:27 | jtmAWAY | BB = BusyBox |
| 17:23:29 | jtmAWAY | ? |
| 17:23:52 | jtmAWAY | sorry... Blackbox |
| 17:24:41 | prh | |
| 17:24:42 | prh | |
| 17:29:20 | jtmAWAY | WolfSoul: I accidentally deleted my .Xdefaults file without a backup |
| 17:29:37 | jtmAWAY | WolfSoul: What do i need in the file to fix the font thing? |
| 17:30:53 | WolfSoul | errr... |
| 17:31:39 | WolfSoul | *.font: somefont:someoption:somemoreoption... |
| 17:31:39 | WolfSoul | ... |
| 17:31:59 | WolfSoul | and some app defaults you like |
| 17:32:10 | jtmAWAY | WolfSoul: where is there some documentation on this? |
| 17:32:25 | WolfSoul | appname*font: ..... |
| 17:32:35 | WolfSoul | appname*geometry: ... |
| 17:32:40 | WolfSoul | stuff like this |
| 17:33:14 | jtmAWAY | WolfSoul: Have you fixed yours? Could you email it to me? I would appreciate it? |
| 17:33:48 | jtmAWAY | Why isn't fixing the fonts in the .Xdefaults file part of the postinst process. |
| 17:37:02 | WolfSoul | why "fix" somethind that's not broken ? the font's are ok the way they are, after the postinst process you get the ms ttf fonts and they are user automaticaly (antialiased) |
| 17:37:47 | Paul_3135 | [Q] OK, I *just* did a clean install of "task-bootstrap-hh9-fam0.5-test-mono.jffs2", and when I boot, I get a lot of errors: |
| 17:37:56 | jtm | WolfSoul: when i run rxvt fromthe gtk menu with size 4, 5.5, 7, 9, 12. They all run the same terminal with font size 12 ro somehting |
| 17:38:04 | Paul_3135 | modprobe: Can't open dependencies file /lib/modules/2.4.7-rmk3-np1-hh2-mono1/mod |
| 17:38:04 | Paul_3135 | ules.dep (No such file or directory) |
| 17:38:04 | jtm | WolfSoul: that's not broken? |
| 17:40:50 | Paul_3135 | is getting really frustrated. >.< |
| 17:40:51 | WolfSoul | jtm: because you deleted your .Xdefaults |
| 17:41:10 | WolfSoul | just reinstall the package that provides this file |
| 17:41:10 | jtm | WolfSoul: I deleted after this problem started |
| 17:41:27 | jtm | WolfSoul: do you know which package. probably X but like i said |
| 17:41:34 | jtm | WolfSoul: i deleted after this problem started |
| 17:42:45 | WolfSoul | jtm: it's in xbase-clients |
| 17:43:00 | jtm | WolfSoul: the font settings? |
| 17:43:04 | WolfSoul | Paul_3135: do you already have x installed ? |
| 17:43:17 | WolfSoul | jtm: Xdefaults |
| 17:43:26 | jtm | WolfSoul: Thankyou |
| 17:44:29 | WolfSoul | np |
| 17:47:26 | mindfsck | hi |
| 17:47:50 | mindfsck | i have a damn problem with connection to my ipaq via PPP |
| 17:48:07 | mindfsck | when i choose speed 115200 all works |
| 17:48:25 | mindfsck | but i want 57600 because i can't do more |
| 17:48:42 | mindfsck | did not get it working with 57600 |
| 17:48:44 | mindfsck | any hints? |
| 17:49:35 | WolfSoul | why do you think that you can't do more than 57600 ? |
| 17:50:19 | mindfsck | i use openbsd as the host, and that's a 'slow' computer, and this is a known problem, but i always get |
| 17:50:32 | mindfsck | silo overflows with it and the connection gets very slow |
| 17:51:00 | mindfsck | when i would use 57600 the bsd computer could handle it (they said) |
| 17:51:28 | jtm | Restored the .Xdefauls file. No fix. font sizes still not right. chekcing wiki |
| 17:52:16 | WolfSoul | jtm: did you restart the xserver ? |
| 17:53:28 | jtm | WolfSoul: yes |
| 17:53:53 | WolfSoul | and did it say something on STDERR ? |
| 17:54:10 | WolfSoul | and what font packages do you have installed ? |
| 17:54:20 | jtm | WolfSoul: Actually it does say: Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing from list! |
| 17:54:20 | jtm | Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing from list! |
| 17:55:39 | WolfSoul | that's ok |
| 17:56:00 | jtm | WolfSoul: xfonts-base xfonts-75dpi |
| 17:56:06 | WolfSoul | and you didn't change something in /etc/X11/ ? |
| 17:56:19 | jtm | WolfSoul: not that i know of. This should be stock |
| 17:56:51 | WolfSoul | xfonts-ttf |
| 17:56:56 | WolfSoul | try this one |
| 17:57:51 | jtm | rxvt: can't load font "mono-5.5:minspace=true" |
| 17:57:51 | jtm | comes up when i run rxvt |
| 17:57:59 | jtm | WolfSoul: yes, i have xfonts-ttf install |
| 17:58:36 | WolfSoul | try this line in your Xdefaults |
| 17:58:38 | WolfSoul | *.font: verdana-7:minspace=true:charwidth=5 |
| 17:58:58 | WolfSoul | replace the other and take a good look at your .gtkrc too |
| 17:59:30 | jtm | WolfSoul: replace what? |
| 17:59:49 | WolfSoul | the existing *.font line |
| 17:59:51 | jtm | WolfSoul: replace for Rxvt? |
| 17:59:58 | jtm | WolfSoul: ok |
| 18:00:28 | WolfSoul | GTG |
| 18:00:29 | WolfSoul | bye |
| 18:01:24 | jtm | thankyou bye |
| 18:02:09 | jtm | anyone else have problems with fam .5 postinst fonts in rxvt? |
| 18:07:09 | jg | jtm: what's the problem? |
| 18:08:14 | jtm | jg: Well. We installed fam.5 |
| 18:08:24 | jtm | jg: then we installed the postinst fonts |
| 18:08:44 | jtm | jg: But the rxvt terminal will not run with anything other than something large. |
| 18:09:00 | jtm | jg: I have geen trying to run through the instructions on a wiki page. |
| 18:09:18 | jg | jtm: do you have rxvt installed, or rxvt-aa? |
| 18:09:19 | jtm | jg: at this point i am noticing that xrdb is blowing an error when i run it manually |
| 18:09:27 | jtm | jg: hold on |
| 18:09:49 | jtm | jg: both |
| 18:10:06 | jg | that's strange.... |
| 18:10:14 | jg | make sure you are running the -aa version. |
| 18:10:23 | jg | and clearly, xrdb had better be working... |
| 18:10:29 | jtm | jg: well ipkg status shows both as ok installed? |
| 18:11:24 | jg | jtm: in theory, rxvt should be doing update alternatives and give you the right terminal emulator; make sure the right thing is really happening. |
| 18:14:23 | jtm | jg: i am going to ipkg remove rxvt |
| 18:14:38 | jtm | jg: and make sure that rxvt-aa is the only one installed |
| 18:19:32 | jtm | The problem was having both rxvt and rxvt-aa installed! |
| 18:20:00 | jtm | jg: Thankyou |
| 18:21:28 | jg | jtm: please file a bug: that ought to work properly.... |
| 18:22:05 | jtm | jg: should it even work if aa is installed first? |
| 18:22:35 | jg | jtm: yes... the alternatives stuff is suppose to have a rating, and have the right symlink to the more desirable.... |
| 18:23:08 | jtm | jg: ok |
| 18:49:31 | johnny | would anyone know why after I load a kernel and root image using bootldr and try to boot, it just disables the lcd and doesn't do anything? |
| 18:52:39 | Disconnect | johnny: cuz the root image doesn't have an x server. |
| 18:52:46 | Disconnect | johnny: gotta go back to the serial |
| 18:53:51 | johnny | when I type boot it says booting wince and then displays some strange characters and goes blank |
| 18:54:07 | johnny | the terminal displays strange characters, the lcd goes blank |
| 18:54:28 | johnny | I don't get any thing remotely looking like linux booting up |
| 18:59:09 | johnny | are there any problems known for bootldr 2.16.19? |
| 19:00:05 | jg | johnny: so what do you see when you boot on the serial line? |
| 19:00:23 | johnny | something like |
| 19:00:25 | johnny | booting wince |
| 19:00:29 | johnny | disabling lcd |
| 19:00:42 | johnny | then I get some weird characters |
| 19:00:45 | jg | johnny: sounds like you've never installed Linux.... |
| 19:00:46 | johnny | thats it |
| 19:00:54 | johnny | not on an ipaq |
| 19:01:37 | jg | I'd do a reinstall of the root. I presume you get a cheerful bootloader screen from CRL? |
| 19:01:44 | johnny | yes |
| 19:01:58 | jg | reinstall the root. Something went sour. |
| 19:02:08 | johnny | the strange thing is, after I reset the ipaq the kernel partition disappears |
| 19:02:14 | jg | Make sure flow control (both hardware and software) are disabled.... |
| 19:02:31 | jg | you installed the current bootloader? |
| 19:02:36 | johnny | yes |
| 19:02:47 | jg | and did a params reset, params save? |
| 19:02:56 | johnny | yes |
| 19:03:04 | johnny | and partitions save |
| 19:03:17 | johnny | but after resetting the ipaq my changes disappear |
| 19:03:23 | jg | hmmm.... strange.... |
| 19:03:38 | jg | You no longer need a kernel partition, with v.5... |
| 19:03:47 | jg | It boots the kernel out of the root.... |
| 19:03:51 | johnny | I'm following the howto and that uses 2.14.5 |
| 19:04:08 | jg | And it saves space not to have a separate paritition for root. |
| 19:04:16 | jg | You MUST upgrade the bootloader for v.5. |
| 19:04:24 | johnny | ah, is there a more updated tutorial for 2.16.19? |
| 19:04:57 | jg | follow the v.5 installation directions (which are much simpler than v.4). don't skip steps thinking you don't have to do something.... |
| 19:06:01 | johnny | ok I see the problem now, thanks a bunch |
| 19:06:05 | johnny | I was using old directions |
| 19:06:22 | jg | old directions with new software is a way to get into trouble, that is for sure.... |
| 19:09:10 | johnny | is it safe to up the baudrate for transfer? |
| 19:09:17 | jg | run at 115200. |
| 20:24:49 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 08:53:44) |
| 21:02:34 | MarNuke | a7r - can i rewrite the usb networking docs? |
| 21:02:48 | MarNuke | a7r - what is up there now is kinda incomplete |
| 22:29:04 | williecdog | is away: I'm eatin' some grub |
| 22:40:45 | Markwell | We have built a kernel from CVS repository, anyone know howto put it into a TASK-BOOTSTRAP.JFFs2 ?? |
| 22:41:30 | Markwell | opps... |
| 22:41:35 | Markwell | We have built a kernel from CVS repository, anyone know howto put it into a TASK-BOOTSTRAP.JFFs2 ?? |
| 22:43:11 | Markwell | or otherwise load it? |
| 23:25:19 | sgodsell | is away: bbl |
| 23:33:06 | DragonEagle | is away: bbiab |
| 23:59:38 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:26:32) |