| 00:39:14 | williecdog | is back (gone 02:36:28) |
| 01:44:55 | ^switch | anyone using blackbox with fam0.5? |
| 02:21:59 | DragonEagle | is away: I'm getting a movie and will probably be gone for the better part of the evening |
| 02:46:16 | brontos | hey all what package is the window manager in? |
| 02:46:24 | a7r | ion or blackbox. |
| 02:46:39 | brontos | ok thanks |
| 02:51:45 | brontos | ok I can get a background up and the cross hairs but nothing as far as menus or anything to control it will come up |
| 02:52:03 | brontos | anyone have a suggestion? |
| 02:52:54 | a7r | you need to install python for the menus, then install menu-tiny, and then run update-menus. |
| 02:53:38 | brontos | do I have to install those packages in that order? |
| 02:53:43 | a7r | yes. |
| 02:55:54 | brontos | is there an ordered list printed anywhere to tell what needs to be installed in what order? |
| 02:56:10 | brontos | to get the windows up? |
| 02:57:38 | a7r | brontos: usually people just install task-complete, and it takes care of it for them.. |
| 02:57:51 | brontos | really? |
| 02:57:56 | a7r | yeah. |
| 02:58:15 | brontos | I can't get things off the net and it seems like it keeps trying to do that |
| 02:58:38 | a7r | nod, it's expecting that you're on the network.. otherwise you need to upload packages and install them manually. |
| 02:59:00 | brontos | that is what I am doing too... |
| 03:00:32 | brontos | where is libxmuu? |
| 03:01:20 | a7r | the xlibs package. |
| 03:08:40 | ^switch | update-menus does blackbox menus too? |
| 03:09:08 | a7r | yup. |
| 03:16:39 | brontos | I can't find libXmuu any where |
| 03:17:22 | a7r | did you install xlibs? it places it in /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 03:17:34 | brontos | yup |
| 03:33:50 | radtuna | boodle: you still using hpcarm/familliar on the 720? |
| 03:33:56 | radtuna | or still trying to? :) |
| 03:35:58 | boodle | radtuna: heh yes was trying to.. have kind of given up.. |
| 03:37:02 | radtuna | did you ever get a shell? |
| 03:37:40 | radtuna | I take it, that framebuffer support never happened. |
| 03:38:32 | radtuna | (btw, you have the dubious distinction of being the highest ranking google/handhelds.org search result for "familiar jornada" ;) |
| 03:38:45 | radtuna | highest ranking, once you cut out the fluff |
| 03:40:14 | brontos | hey it says could not init font path element .... /usr/X11.../fonts/100dpi my directory is the same but 75dpi where would I change that? |
| 03:41:24 | radtuna | hm. in /etc/X11/XF86Config ? |
| 03:41:38 | radtuna | or XF86Config-4 |
| 03:41:41 | brontos | also, I get Bus errors when trying to run x you know what that might be from? |
| 03:41:45 | radtuna | if you're running 4.x |
| 03:41:56 | brontos | I am trying to run .5 |
| 03:42:09 | radtuna | um. |
| 03:42:19 | radtuna | xf86 comes in 3.x and 4.x flavors |
| 03:42:39 | radtuna | i dont know what ver comes with familiar, but I'd hazard 4.x |
| 03:42:58 | radtuna | bus error could be lack of memory |
| 03:43:01 | radtuna | or some hardware fault |
| 03:43:04 | brontos | oh ok |
| 03:43:05 | radtuna | what you running it on? |
| 03:43:11 | brontos | ipaq |
| 03:43:22 | radtuna | I don't know ipaq architecture |
| 03:43:33 | radtuna | it could be hardware goofiness bug |
| 03:43:39 | brontos | hmmm |
| 03:43:39 | brontos | k |
| 03:44:08 | brontos | how would I search strings? on the system? |
| 03:44:10 | radtuna | if there's an /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:44:14 | radtuna | look in there for font paths |
| 03:44:29 | radtuna | hrm? you want to look inside files for certain strings? |
| 03:44:40 | brontos | there is not an XF86 there |
| 03:44:44 | brontos | yeah |
| 03:44:46 | radtuna | interesting |
| 03:44:48 | radtuna | what's in /etc/X11 ? |
| 03:45:03 | radtuna | by the way, "strings filename" |
| 03:45:10 | radtuna | will list the strings it can find in it |
| 03:45:15 | radtuna | if the file is binary |
| 03:45:25 | radtuna | strings filename |grep "stuff to search for" |
| 03:45:32 | radtuna | will search for that stuff in a binary |
| 03:45:44 | radtuna | if the file you're searching is text, |
| 03:45:54 | radtuna | grep "stuff" filename will work |
| 03:45:56 | brontos | Xdefaults blackbox xmodmap-left xmodmap-right app0defaults xmodmap-invert xmodmap-portrait |
| 03:45:58 | radtuna | or use strings for both |
| 03:46:24 | radtuna | hmm |
| 03:46:25 | radtuna | okay |
| 03:46:36 | radtuna | try locate XF86Config |
| 03:46:43 | radtuna | see what locate finds for you |
| 03:47:05 | brontos | locate is not on here |
| 03:47:10 | radtuna | find? |
| 03:47:13 | radtuna | do you have find at least? |
| 03:47:21 | radtuna | find / -name XF86Config -print |
| 03:47:24 | brontos | nop |
| 03:47:26 | brontos | e |
| 03:47:36 | radtuna | erf |
| 03:47:45 | radtuna | any reasonable linux should have FIND at least! |
| 03:52:01 | brontos | well I might now have installed the package |
| 03:58:32 | brontos | ugh i just can't get windows to come up |
| 04:10:03 | radtuna | do you have X installed? |
| 04:10:12 | radtuna | all the packages needed for it? |
| 11:28:02 | prh | is back (gone 00:02:30) |
| 11:43:55 | szachari | hi! has anyone managed to get blackdown's java 1.3.1 run with familiar 0.5? It used to run with 0.4 ... |
| 12:27:06 | greeno | is away: sleeping |
| 13:04:57 | dv_ | hi all, I just booted linux on ipaq 3600 but am a bit lost getting networking working |
| 13:05:23 | dv_ | I have a dual pcmcia sleeve with a 3com network card |
| 13:05:35 | dv_ | is the 3com module already loaded ? |
| 13:05:43 | dv_ | where do I load it from if not ? |
| 13:37:39 | brontos | Hey all I have noticed that there is not hierarchy listing in an ordered manner the packages which need to be installed, I am going to be writing a report for class about putting familiar on ipaqs and I was going to inslude this list in my report. Do you think the familiar install website might like this list for people having to insall the packages manually? |
| 14:42:06 | brontos | I do I uninstall packages? |
| 14:42:34 | brontos | or undo their settings? |
| 14:47:21 | WolfSoul | ipkg remove <package> |
| 14:47:54 | brontos | thanks |
| 14:48:44 | brontos | what package is it that makes the windows split? |
| 14:49:16 | WolfSoul | ??? |
| 14:49:24 | WolfSoul | you mean the windowmanager ? |
| 14:50:26 | brontos | yeah |
| 14:50:40 | brontos | I tried to install black box and things got messed up |
| 14:50:53 | brontos | so I am trying to put it back |
| 14:50:58 | WolfSoul | if it's a text editorish one without overlaping windows it's ion |
| 14:51:32 | brontos | has the red x in the top right hand corner? |
| 14:51:46 | WolfSoul | you have to uninstall ion before you install bb |
| 14:51:46 | brontos | and the windows split vert and horz? |
| 14:52:01 | WolfSoul | yup, that's ion |
| 14:52:31 | brontos | hmmm I thought I re installed that and its still not working... |
| 14:53:34 | brontos | nope not showing up |
| 14:53:42 | brontos | crap I had to go and mess it up! |
| 14:56:09 | prh | you need ion and gtk-menu installed "ipkg install ion gtk-menu" should do the trick |
| 14:56:34 | brontos | ok thanks |
| 14:56:37 | brontos | I will try that |
| 14:56:53 | brontos | which is the better window manager? anyway? |
| 14:56:54 | WolfSoul | or simply try ipkg install task-x ;) |
| 14:57:04 | WolfSoul | brontos: depends |
| 14:57:11 | prh | oh that questions could start wars |
| 14:57:18 | brontos | lol |
| 14:57:48 | WolfSoul | ion is the smallest, icewm has the most features and blackbox is the best(imo) |
| 14:58:04 | WolfSoul | *g |
| 15:06:57 | brontos | I can't get the split screen thing all I get is the menu box and the "grided" background... |
| 15:11:48 | WolfSoul | brontos: check where /usr/bin/X-window-manager points to |
| 15:12:48 | brontos | I can;t even log in on it now... |
| 15:13:00 | brontos | ok I am in now |
| 15:46:32 | DragonEagle | is away: ftw |
| 16:44:31 | raldi | so i've got Familiar on my ipaq, and i've set up ppp, but once i do that, i can't actually log in, because the thing doesn't have sshd or telnetd .. where can i get these packages compiled for an ipaq? |
| 16:46:51 | WolfSoul | simply download ssh from the repository and put it on your ipaq with minicom/rz |
| 16:47:57 | WolfSoul | then install it with "ipkg install /where_ever_you_put_it/ssh*.ipk", close minicom ,fire up the ppp network and ssh to your ipaq ;) |
| 16:50:13 | raldi | where in the repository can i find sshd? I'm looking in /familiar .. is there something else i should check out? |
| 16:53:55 | WolfSoul | the repository is in /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 16:54:22 | WolfSoul | it's like the conf file for apt-get |
| 16:54:57 | raldi | aha |
| 16:57:13 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 01:10:05) |
| 16:59:39 | WolfSoul | anyone here who can give me a tip why sysset 0.0-nr4 doesn't start? |
| 18:17:48 | radtuna | boodle: hya (if you're still here) |
| 18:18:02 | radtuna | do you know of anyone else hacking at the 720? |
| 18:18:30 | boodle | radtuna: no one. only other activity I'm aware of is netbsd. check the hpcarm info |
| 18:57:23 | osprey | Hi - I'm having trouble installing the root image from v0.5. Here's what I'm doing: |
| 18:57:36 | osprey | # tar -xzf task-bootstrap.tzr.gz |
| 18:57:50 | osprey | # ./mkfs.jffs2 -r task-bootstrap -o root.jffs2 -e 0x40000 -p |
| 18:58:09 | osprey | Then, when I load the results as a 'root' image, the kernel won't boot. |
| 18:58:16 | osprey | Any ideas? |
| 18:58:22 | a7r | how is it not booting? |
| 18:58:45 | osprey | Says: "find_inode failed for name=boot" |
| 18:58:55 | osprey | Then: "Unrecognized kernel image" |
| 18:59:08 | a7r | reset the machine, and then use the bootloader to check out what's up with the filesystem. |
| 18:59:37 | osprey | Any specific instructions for checking fs? |
| 18:59:44 | a7r | ``ls /boot''. |
| 18:59:51 | osprey | will do - thx |
| 19:02:49 | Mark | a7r: opsrey: ls /boot gives --- Scanning all of flash for your JFFS2 convenience. Est Time: 6-12 seconds! |
| 19:02:50 | Mark | build_list: max = 01FBFFBC |
| 19:03:01 | Mark | and a bunch of ........ 's and more bogus stuff |
| 19:03:09 | a7r | what about ``ls /'' .. |
| 19:03:50 | Mark | boot> ls / |
| 19:03:50 | Mark | Scanning all of flash for your JFFS2 convenience. Est Time: 6-12 seconds! |
| 19:03:50 | Mark | build_list: max = 01FBFFBC |
| 19:03:50 | Mark | ...........................Offset = 001046A8 |
| 19:03:50 | Mark | ........................... |
| 19:03:50 | Mark | .....................................................Offset = 00411AA8 |
| 19:03:52 | Mark | ........................... |
| 19:03:55 | Mark | .......... |
| 19:03:56 | Mark | dir entries = 00000000 |
| 19:03:58 | Mark | frag entries = 00000000 |
| 19:04:01 | Mark | +4 increments = 0015E29E |
| 19:04:02 | Mark | +file_offset increments = 00000000 |
| 19:05:36 | Mark | do the partion flags matter, root is 00018 |
| 19:05:56 | a7r | no.. that's odd. which mkfs.jffs2 are you using? |
| 19:06:22 | Mark | checking ... |
| 19:07:13 | a7r | I'm going to take off in a minute, AFK for a sec.. |
| 19:08:04 | osprey | a7r: For when you get back, our 'mkfs.jffs2' is: |
| 19:08:08 | osprey | # cksum mkfs.jffs2 |
| 19:08:10 | osprey | 2717779022 28239 mkfs.jffs2 |
| 19:08:41 | osprey | (Sorry - can't recall exactly *where* it came from.) |
| 19:10:34 | Mark | I think we downloaded it this week from ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/people/dwmw2/iPAQ/mkfs.jffs2 |
| 19:12:04 | Mark | as documented in the handhelds wiki by JaneyHicks |
| 20:41:33 | Jumper | Hello all (wo)men |
| 20:42:03 | Jumper | I have now installes successfully familiar 0.5. |
| 20:42:06 | Jumper | yeah |
| 20:42:18 | Jumper | it lookt and feel goo |
| 20:43:50 | Jumper | What must i do to get a console at the display with working input aka keyboard..... |
| 20:44:41 | Jumper | i mean no X-server |
| 20:44:50 | Jumper | . |
| 20:44:53 | Jumper | hmm |
| 20:44:54 | Jumper | . |
| 20:45:05 | Jumper | are you all asleep .........? |
| 20:45:24 | Jumper | hello |
| 20:45:50 | Jumper | is there anybout out there, who wants to talk with me .... |
| 20:46:00 | Jumper | ? |
| 20:46:11 | Jumper | HELLO |
| 20:47:34 | Jumper | hmm |
| 20:47:44 | Jumper | whats wrong ? |
| 20:49:00 | BBrox | I do not think a console exists with input on the iPAQ |
| 20:49:10 | BBrox | You need to have something connected to the serial port |
| 20:49:38 | Jumper | oh hi |
| 20:50:15 | Jumper | not ? :-(( |
| 21:08:57 | osprey | a7r: To close out our earlier discussion, I re-built 'mkfs.jffs2' from the CVS |
| 21:09:11 | osprey | repository at: http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/ and I can now load |
| 21:09:39 | osprey | root images I build with no problem. Thanks. |
| 21:40:31 | xwred1 | is away: I'm busy |
| 22:32:26 | tom | hi everyone |
| 22:33:17 | a7r | hey.. |
| 22:33:53 | tom | is looking for a good windowmanager |
| 22:34:39 | tom | neither ion nor blackbox are really making me happy |
| 22:34:58 | a7r | people have been working on IceWM.. |
| 22:35:20 | tom | so I hear |
| 22:35:22 | tom | is it any good? |
| 22:35:40 | tom | I've seen some screenshots |
| 22:35:42 | a7r | I haven't really tried it, but it needs patches written to support boudning applications to the screen.. |
| 22:35:52 | tom | from some other WM - darkish, black, looking very slick |
| 22:36:24 | tom | with a menu/app bar at the bottom |
| 22:37:21 | tom | I'm also wondering why I only have 1.2 MB left :) |
| 22:38:30 | a7r | that was probably blackbox with the old Familiar theme. |
| 22:51:47 | tom | how can I free up some memory? |
| 22:52:02 | tom | I installed familiar and the ipaq was pretty much filled to capacity :( |
| 22:57:28 | prh | is away: zzZZZzzzzz |
| 23:07:13 | greeno | is back (gone 08:09:13) |
| 23:13:38 | tom | can anyone tell me what windowmanage/theme the shots at http://www.bbrox.org/iPAQ/ show ? |
| 23:14:38 | a7r | tom: blackbox |
| 23:14:51 | a7r | with the Familiar theme.. |
| 23:16:59 | tom | the one in .blackbox/styles ? |
| 23:20:06 | a7r | yeah.. |
| 23:20:44 | tom | uh, you sure? |
| 23:20:51 | tom | I just reinstalled blackbox |
| 23:20:56 | tom | and it looks somewhat different |
| 23:20:59 | a7r | it depends which familiar you have loaded. |
| 23:21:40 | tom | 0.5 |
| 23:21:46 | tom | ah |
| 23:22:07 | tom | the window bar is there, I guess the bottom status bar is some other app |
| 23:23:19 | a7r | oh, Familiar is self hiding. |
| 23:24:15 | a7r | you can turn that off by tweaking the style.. |
| 23:27:03 | tom | ah! :) |
| 23:28:23 | tom | uh, how? I just looked into the style file, but there's no "toolbar = 0/1" anywhere in sight |
| 23:28:46 | a7r | oh, also check the preferences in /root |
| 23:30:01 | tom | ah! found it |
| 23:30:37 | tom | one last dummy question: |
| 23:30:52 | tom | any way to force blackbox into maximizing new windows, like ion does? |
| 23:31:16 | a7r | I had some code a while ago, but I stopped working on it.. but by default, no. |
| 23:31:28 | tom | uh, 2nd dummy question - any way to swallow xscribble into the toolbar? |
| 23:31:41 | tom | having that as its own window strikes me as kinda dumb :) |
| 23:31:41 | a7r | nope.. blackbox doesn't support that. |
| 23:33:12 | tom | ok, thanks for your help |
| 23:34:07 | a7r | no problem. |