| 00:01:42 | volkam | :) |
| 01:04:46 | volkam | herm |
| 01:20:23 | xwred1 | anyone tried using Konqueror with QPE? |
| 01:23:23 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 02:17:58) |
| 02:58:21 | DragonEagle | is away: just away |
| 03:14:59 | mchang_work | is away: I'm busy |
| 08:26:55 | fsck10 | hola |
| 12:58:43 | dLux | Hello |
| 12:59:55 | dLux | Does anyone know if ssh exists in the familiar bootstrap image? |
| 13:00:49 | dLux | anyone here? |
| 13:01:29 | dLux | hmmm... |
| 13:03:28 | dLux | I try to reinstall it... |
| 13:23:34 | dLux | Anyone here? |
| 13:23:44 | dLux | Hi again... |
| 13:26:22 | dLux | sigh... |
| 18:29:20 | EvilMeanDog | hey |
| 18:29:30 | EvilMeanDog | does anyone know how to set the backlight on auto? |
| 18:36:49 | sven | I see toremember reading in the mailing list that it doesn't work |
| 21:47:26 | owain | Hello |
| 21:48:16 | owain | Can anybody help me with an iPAQ that turned into a brick when I tried to put Linux on it? |
| 21:48:38 | sven | I can try |
| 21:48:53 | sven | what are the symptoms? |
| 21:49:21 | owain | Well, I followed the instructions in handhelds,org for familiar 0.4. |
| 21:49:32 | owain | When I typed boot the screen went dead. |
| 21:49:44 | owain | It has been like it for about 5 minutes now with no change. |
| 21:50:05 | sven | did everything go properly in the bootldr? |
| 21:50:07 | owain | This is the output from the terminal; |
| 21:50:08 | owain | addr: 00C70000 data: FFFFFFFF |
| 21:50:08 | owain | verifying ... formatting ... done. |
| 21:50:08 | owain | boot> boot |
| 21:50:08 | owain | booting wince... |
| 21:50:08 | owain | Disabling LCD controller |
| 21:50:10 | owain | ) |
| 21:50:24 | owain | Everything was fine until I typed boot. |
| 21:50:28 | sven | I see |
| 21:50:40 | sven | I think you're alright |
| 21:50:48 | sven | whoa! |
| 21:50:55 | owain | really? What should I do? |
| 21:51:11 | sven | Step 1) download Familiar 0.5 |
| 21:51:41 | owain | But the iPAQ is responding to commands on the serial line. |
| 21:51:52 | sven | oops, I'm out of date 0.51 |
| 21:51:57 | sven | what sort of commands |
| 21:52:19 | owain | Anything. |
| 21:52:31 | sven | like normal bootldr commands |
| 21:52:39 | owain | After the ')' the iPAQ sent out, I can't type anything into the terminal emulator. |
| 21:53:12 | sven | what version of bootldr are we talking about? |
| 21:53:34 | owain | 2.16 point something. |
| 21:53:38 | sven | it would be natural that you can't enter anything since you tried to boot something that isn't there |
| 21:53:53 | sven | that point something is what I was looking for |
| 21:54:03 | owain | 2.16.19 |
| 21:54:09 | sven | that's better |
| 21:54:13 | owain | It md5'ed OK. |
| 21:54:27 | sven | ok have you downloaded the 0.51 bootstrap? |
| 21:54:38 | owain | Just getting it now. |
| 21:54:46 | sven | cool |
| 21:55:19 | sven | you on dialup |
| 21:55:43 | sven | or dsl/cable |
| 21:55:45 | owain | No, DSL. |
| 21:55:52 | sven | don't ya love it? |
| 21:56:21 | owain | Windowes just gave an error when I tried to copy the only file in ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/familiar/releases/v0.5.1-pre/packages/armv4l/ |
| 21:56:52 | sven | how much linux experience do you have? |
| 21:57:03 | owain | A fair amount on PC's. |
| 21:57:10 | owain | But I mostly use SGIs and suns |
| 21:57:27 | sven | ok, can you do this from minicom in linux? |
| 21:57:49 | owain | I would need to shift the cradle to a different computer, but I suppose so. |
| 21:58:17 | sven | something about windows spewing errors that drives me to Linux |
| 21:58:32 | sven | if it's not too much trouble I would start there |
| 21:58:42 | owain | OK. |
| 21:59:00 | sven | I'll wait on ya |
| 22:03:22 | owain | Ahhh, half the software is missing from the Linux box. |
| 22:03:30 | owain | Is it possible to do this from Windows? |
| 22:03:43 | sven | all you need is mincom, and wget |
| 22:04:26 | sven | it is possible to do from windows but as I said b4 Windows is flaky when it comes to such connections |
| 22:04:41 | sven | = serial connections |
| 22:05:06 | sven | besides, you can only use linux as a gateway |
| 22:05:51 | owain | OK... the Linux box has been being tinkered with by my flatmate - lacking a resolv.conf right now, just putting one back on so I can get on the net. |
| 22:06:09 | sven | you must be a brit |
| 22:06:28 | sven | we fat lazy americans don't say 'flatmate' |
| 22:06:41 | owain | Yeah, I am |
| 22:07:09 | sven | tell me when you're ready for my help |
| 22:08:29 | owain | OK, done now |
| 22:09:28 | sven | you've got the bootstrap? |
| 22:09:45 | sven | a browser? |
| 22:10:10 | owain | Got a terminal and browser. |
| 22:10:18 | owain | Just trying to find the bootstrap I need now. |
| 22:10:23 | sven | schweet |
| 22:10:26 | owain | Do you have a URL for it? |
| 22:10:49 | sven | looking |
| 22:10:50 | owain | Ar, found it now. |
| 22:11:20 | sven | 5.1? |
| 22:11:29 | sven | er....5.1 |
| 22:11:53 | owain | Oops, no on 0.5 |
| 22:11:59 | sven | that will work |
| 22:12:11 | sven | there was only one fix really |
| 22:12:19 | sven | and I can walk you around that |
| 22:12:36 | sven | while you have that connection open... |
| 22:12:43 | sven | you'll need to download ssh |
| 22:12:52 | sven | or the ipk files of ssh |
| 22:13:37 | sven | you can get them from ftp://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5/packages/armv4l/ |
| 22:13:47 | sven | all the packages you need are: |
| 22:13:47 | sven | ssh_2.5.2p2-2-fam4_arm.ipk |
| 22:13:47 | sven | libssl0.9.6_0.9.6a-1_arm.ipk |
| 22:13:47 | sven | libwrap0_7.6-7_arm.ipk |
| 22:13:47 | sven | zlib1g_1.1.3-14 |
| 22:14:09 | sven | you also need sz on your linux box |
| 22:14:55 | owain | OK. I will just take 5 minutes to get them |
| 22:15:23 | sven | I can wait |
| 22:16:29 | jtm | anybody here? |
| 22:16:43 | sven | no |
| 22:16:56 | jtm | we are having trouble with ipks We are trying to create one and it is not working quite right |
| 22:17:25 | jtm | where can i find some info on making an ipk |
| 22:17:44 | sven | umm |
| 22:17:53 | sven | who is we? |
| 22:18:02 | jtm | pattieja and jtm |
| 22:18:03 | sven | are you 'two'? |
| 22:18:10 | sven | oh ok |
| 22:18:40 | sven | I'm looking |
| 22:19:08 | sven | you can install ipkg-build |
| 22:19:11 | jtm | found some on wiki... |
| 22:19:38 | sven | that was my next magical trick |
| 22:19:53 | jtm | have you ever created ipk? |
| 22:20:02 | sven | no but I've dissected one |
| 22:20:29 | sven | they are not hard to make |
| 22:20:38 | sven | I wouldn't think |
| 22:20:43 | jtm | us too. We cant get ipkg to show us the info on the package when we type ipkg info <package name> |
| 22:21:03 | jtm | it almost works when installed and removed too |
| 22:21:30 | jtm | but after removal it leaves the /usr/lib/menu/fileShouldBeGone file |
| 22:22:40 | sven | you might have to consult the source for that one |
| 22:23:32 | sven | what does your control file look like? |
| 22:24:49 | sven | another personality? |
| 22:24:57 | pattieja_2 | hehe |
| 22:25:27 | sven | whenever you have it installed, what does 'ipkg files <package name>' do? |
| 22:26:06 | pattieja_2 | shows nothing |
| 22:26:24 | sven | well by golly there's your first problem |
| 22:26:45 | pattieja_2 | cat control |
| 22:26:45 | pattieja_2 | Package: stowaway-fam0.5 |
| 22:26:45 | pattieja_2 | Version: 0.5 |
| 22:26:45 | pattieja_2 | Section: x11 |
| 22:26:45 | pattieja_2 | Priority: optional |
| 22:26:46 | pattieja_2 | Architecture: arm |
| 22:26:48 | pattieja_2 | Maintainer: JT, Jason <moreejt@pcxperience.org> |
| 22:26:50 | pattieja_2 | Depends: stowaway-modules-2.4.7-rmk3-np1-devfs |
| 22:26:52 | pattieja_2 | Description: Helper Scripts for the Stowaway keyboard. |
| 22:26:54 | pattieja_2 | This adds a script to turn the the stowaway keyboard on/off. |
| 22:26:56 | pattieja_2 | You will have take console=ttySA0 out of the boot params. |
| 22:26:58 | pattieja_2 | You will also need to stop getty from running on the serial |
| 22:27:00 | pattieja_2 | port. |
| 22:27:05 | pattieja_2 | cat postinst |
| 22:27:06 | pattieja_2 | #!/bin/sh |
| 22:27:08 | pattieja_2 | set -e |
| 22:27:10 | pattieja_2 | [ -x /usr/bin/update-menus ] && /usr/bin/update-menus |
| 22:27:27 | pattieja_2 | cat postrm |
| 22:27:27 | pattieja_2 | #!/bin/sh |
| 22:27:27 | pattieja_2 | set -e |
| 22:27:27 | pattieja_2 | [ -x /usr/bin/update-menus ] && /usr/bin/update-menus |
| 22:27:50 | sven | stinks to crash a client |
| 22:28:05 | pattieja | I exited purposefully |
| 22:28:19 | sven | ah the alter-ego |
| 22:28:34 | pattieja | I'm running this xchat from VNC, and I haven't figured out how to copy and paste the clipboard properly |
| 22:28:43 | sven | hahaha |
| 22:29:33 | sven | I have a chore to do really quick |
| 22:32:05 | dLux | Hello! |
| 22:32:29 | dLux | Does anyone know how to access a freshly installed Familiar 0.5? |
| 22:32:41 | dLux | I mean ssh is missing... |
| 22:33:13 | dLux | Hi BBrox... |
| 22:33:13 | jtm | dLux: you will need to z/x modem up the ssh ipk and install it |
| 22:33:36 | jtm | dLux: after than you can run sshd |
| 22:33:49 | jtm | s/than/that/ |
| 22:33:54 | pattieja | hmm. seems like we need to prepare for some major whiplash |
| 22:34:13 | dLux | jtm: Is sx/ included in the bootstrap? |
| 22:34:27 | dLux | jtm: Thanks... |
| 22:34:34 | dLux | jtm: I give it a try... |
| 22:34:45 | jtm | dLux: i forget if it is zmodem of xmodem |
| 22:34:54 | jtm | dLux: so i just type z/x |
| 22:35:05 | BBrox_sleeping | dLux: ZModem is AFAIK |
| 22:36:16 | dLux | jtm, BBrox: Is there any written doc. for it? |
| 22:40:28 | sven | I'm back |
| 22:40:41 | sven | pattieja: what sort of whiplash? |
| 22:40:42 | owain | Hello |
| 22:40:51 | sven | owain: you ready? |
| 22:41:41 | dLux | jtm, Bbrox: Anyway, thanks for the information, I'm just downloading ssh and will see what I can do with this x/zmodem things... |
| 22:41:51 | dLux | Byte |
| 22:42:26 | owain | Struggling with miicom right now. |
| 22:42:34 | mark_ | running familiar, is there anything equivalent to avantGo? |
| 22:42:46 | sven | owain: how so? |
| 22:43:00 | sven | mark_: there are two full browsers |
| 22:43:15 | owain | won't compile. I am just tring to get something else on the net |
| 22:43:18 | sven | mark_: dillo and konqueror (for qpe) |
| 22:43:34 | sven | you're compiling minicom? |
| 22:43:38 | mark_ | sven: does qpe run on familiar? |
| 22:43:50 | sven | mark_: running it right now |
| 22:44:10 | mark_ | drools |
| 22:44:36 | sven | mark_: I'm sorta new to IRC how do you drool? |
| 22:44:37 | mark_ | sven: presumably they contain nice offline modes? and a sync function? |
| 22:44:50 | mark_ | sven: /me drool |
| 22:45:08 | sven | scratches his head. |
| 22:45:28 | sven | mark_: what is they? |
| 22:46:03 | sven | mark_: qpe^H^Htopia? |
| 22:46:27 | mark_ | sven: as in on avantgo i can press the sync button (palm), and it will download the news and everything onto my palm, for access anywhere |
| 22:46:41 | sven | mark_: not yet |
| 22:46:58 | mark_ | sven: shouldnt be too hard to script |
| 22:47:02 | sven | mark_: well sortof |
| 22:47:13 | sven | mark_: right that's what I was thinking |
| 22:47:32 | mark_ | sven: what functionality already exists? I'll finish it off - i want this feature pretty bad |
| 22:47:41 | sven | mark_: you could use wget to dl it and view w/ file:// |
| 22:48:27 | sven | mark_: I've had lots of trouble with dillo in the past |
| 22:48:27 | mark_ | sven: yep. so no real work requird. but is there a more elagant way? |
| 22:48:47 | sven | mark_: not yet, that's why you're here |
| 22:49:23 | mark_ | mark_: well what would the more elegant way be? |
| 22:49:48 | sven | mark_: step 1: install Qtopia |
| 22:50:06 | mark_ | sven: step1: expand capacity :) |
| 22:50:20 | sven | mark_: step .5: ditch X |
| 22:51:08 | mark_ | sven: lol, i see. hmmmm, not sure. a choice i see |
| 22:51:39 | sven | mark_: I've tried the X apps and I've used the Qapps. |
| 22:51:52 | sven | mark_: I like the Q apps beaucoup |
| 22:52:49 | mark_ | sven: but there arent going to be as many etc are there....... we'll see - I'd like to use Konqueror/E |
| 22:53:12 | sven | mark_: what do you mean by 'etc' |
| 22:53:39 | mark_ | sven: nothing really. take it out |
| 22:54:12 | sven | mark_: are there more KDE apps or Gtk apps right now? |
| 22:54:28 | sven | mark_: the point is not in number of apps but what you can use |
| 22:55:03 | sven | mark_: With the new Zaurus, I think Qtopia will explode |
| 22:55:09 | sven | mark_: in a good way |
| 22:55:30 | mark_ | sven: we'll see - possible to run both qt and X? (not at the same time :P)? |
| 22:55:50 | sven | mark_: if you can fit it on... |
| 22:56:03 | sven | mark_: you certainly can't fit konqueror on with X installed |
| 22:56:22 | sven | mark_: unfortunately konq is ~2meg |
| 22:56:33 | sven | mark_: (libs included) |
| 22:56:51 | mark_ | sven: unless I upgrade..... qtopia looks gorgeous (looking at screenshots) |
| 22:56:58 | sven | it is |
| 22:57:14 | sven | you know the feed? |
| 22:58:24 | mark_ | www.trolltech.com |
| 22:58:30 | sven | nope |
| 22:58:32 | mark_ | i'm confused at the difference between qt/embedded and qtopia though |
| 22:58:45 | sven | src qtopia http://www.longbros.com/benjamin/ipaq/dist/feed |
| 22:58:55 | sven | qt/embedded is a lib |
| 22:59:09 | sven | qtopia is equivilent to KDE for the desktop |
| 22:59:24 | mark_ | i see. and they're both free? |
| 22:59:37 | sven | beer & speech |
| 22:59:47 | mark_ | lol, i love that analogy |
| 22:59:53 | sven | me too |
| 22:59:57 | mark_ | cant wait till christmas day now. |
| 23:00:15 | sven | what's on Xmas for mark? |
| 23:00:21 | mark_ | an ipaq |
| 23:00:30 | sven | a new one? |
| 23:00:41 | mark_ | nah. 3630 |
| 23:00:44 | sven | as opposed to what you're talking to me about |
| 23:01:09 | sven | 3630 is no different from 3635 or 3650 |
| 23:01:25 | mark_ | i dont have one at the moment - im just thinking into the future ;) |
| 23:01:32 | sven | unless you get one of th funny ones with 32meg flash |
| 23:01:34 | sven | oh |
| 23:01:45 | mark_ | what do you run it on? |
| 23:01:51 | sven | 3635 |
| 23:01:58 | mark_ | snappy? |
| 23:02:13 | sven | I got mine on ebay w/ stowaway for $300 |
| 23:02:22 | sven | God blesses me |
| 23:02:37 | sven | very spiffy |
| 23:02:49 | sven | I like it much better than the clie I had |
| 23:03:17 | sven | owain: how's it coming? |
| 23:04:21 | mark_ | sven: lol, im getting a reconditioned one for GBP 200 |
| 23:04:42 | sven | what's the conversion rate? |
| 23:05:08 | mark_ | thats about $320 i think, but hey - im in the uk and everything is hugley expensive |
| 23:05:35 | sven | counts his oklahoman blessings. |
| 23:06:53 | owain | I am struggling. There isn't much stuff on this Linux box (it is mostly a router/gateway) so to try and install minicom I am having to put on some libraries to be able to compile it.... Just waiting for Debians install program to finish adding them. |
| 23:07:16 | sven | loves debian |
| 23:08:09 | mark_ | sven: yes, lovely isnt it |
| 23:08:16 | sven | owain: now I see why you wanted to do this on a windows box |
| 23:08:48 | sven | mark_: I was weened on debian but now I'm on to Mandrake |
| 23:09:13 | sven | mark_: it's a better desktop |
| 23:09:24 | sven | mark_: I still use debian for all servers |
| 23:09:41 | mark_ | sven: hmmmm - i couldnt live without apt-get |
| 23:10:06 | sven | unless you had urpmi |
| 23:10:21 | mark_ | lol |
| 23:10:49 | mark_ | i've been on debian since i was 10 or so, I'm pretty used to it |
| 23:10:50 | sven | mumbles something about urpmi being hard to pronouce. |
| 23:11:00 | sven | mark_: I'd say |
| 23:11:24 | mark_ | wonders if he would have qualified for the 'youngest debian user' award |
| 23:11:36 | sven | mark_: and you're what...15? |
| 23:11:40 | sven | mark_: 16 |
| 23:12:26 | mark_ | just 16 |
| 23:12:30 | mark_ | now |
| 23:12:41 | sven | hmm, twenty here |
| 23:12:57 | mark_ | lol. its so scary i'm gonna be twenty in a measly 4 years |
| 23:13:15 | mark_ | it sounds so old....... |
| 23:13:29 | sven | mark_: hey easy there |
| 23:13:40 | sven | mark_: it's not as bad when you get here |
| 23:13:52 | sven | mark_: besides, you'll love the paychecks |
| 23:14:09 | mark_ | sven: lol. yes - but those wont come untill I'm 23 or so |
| 23:14:43 | sven | mark_: bummer for a brit |
| 23:14:58 | mark_ | lol |
| 23:15:04 | sven | I'm going to college at night and working all day |
| 23:15:14 | sven | it's busy but it works |
| 23:15:21 | mark_ | so that leaves, what, 2 hours of sleep a day? |
| 23:15:46 | sven | I leave the house at 7:30 and get home around 8-9pm |
| 23:16:02 | sven | and go to bed at midnight |
| 23:16:04 | mark_ | thats not too bad |
| 23:17:03 | sven | mark_: are you a developer of any sort? |
| 23:18:14 | mark_ | sven: hmmm. sort of. i do kde development - nothing major though, done a tiny bit of pim stuff, and am writing a configuration client for samba |
| 23:18:43 | sven | mark_: good... |
| 23:18:57 | sven | mark_: I'm hardly a developer at all and I want to get started |
| 23:19:07 | sven | mark_: so where should I start? |
| 23:19:18 | mark_ | sven: what do you want to develop? :) |
| 23:19:27 | sven | qt |
| 23:19:36 | sven | KDE |
| 23:19:54 | sven | gtk is nice but no thanks |
| 23:20:03 | mark_ | developer.kde.org should get you started - what languages do you know, or dont you? |
| 23:20:49 | sven | I know american english, php, html, sql, a smidgeon of visual-c++ |
| 23:21:01 | sven | oh and a little french |
| 23:21:13 | mark_ | LOL, wasnt quite thinking of those |
| 23:21:20 | sven | for the rest I use babelfish |
| 23:21:24 | sven | =D |
| 23:21:58 | sven | seriously though, I've programmed in visual C++ and Pascal |
| 23:22:02 | mark_ | lol. babelfish should start doing C++ to phython type conversions |
| 23:22:11 | sven | hahaha |
| 23:22:44 | mark_ | well you'll need the c++ bit - but scrap all the mfc stuff that (i presume) you know. qt is a lovely toolkit to develop with |
| 23:22:44 | sven | I didn't mention bash but that's a given for a veteran linux guy |
| 23:23:07 | mark_ | developer.kde.org is your best bet |
| 23:23:11 | sven | I have purposefully forgotten it since high school |
| 23:23:31 | sven | on my way |
| 23:23:40 | mark_ | i've never needed to learn bash to any great degree. |
| 23:24:44 | sven | I recommend it since ipkg is written in bash |
| 23:24:48 | sven | err sh |
| 23:25:00 | sven | plus it's generally useful |
| 23:25:23 | Torkel | i read that "veteran" as "vetrenarian" :o (just lurking) I've never heard of a fish (bash) vet... |
| 23:25:27 | sven | that way you can write/make your own linux |
| 23:26:03 | mark_ | lol. i know my 'for $i in' stuff. and the grep and the like tools but apart from that |
| 23:26:09 | sven | hopes Torkel wasn't around at the previous mention of beer. |
| 23:26:11 | mark_ | i dont have a clue |
| 23:26:26 | Torkel | beer?!? where? ;) |
| 23:27:00 | sven | mark_: to give you a little idea of what I have set up... |
| 23:27:49 | mark_ | go on..... |
| 23:27:54 | sven | mark_: I have Qtopia installed in flash and for playing I have a directory setup on my desktop that is basically my /usr directory |
| 23:28:38 | sven | I just nfsmount /usr from my ipaq and I have all the storage I need to play with other programs |
| 23:28:51 | sven | like X etc. |
| 23:29:33 | sven | only one vice... nfs over serial is terribly slow |
| 23:30:36 | mark_ | lol - cant you do usb networking? |
| 23:30:42 | sven | maybe I'll get a PCMCIA sleeve for Xmas |
| 23:30:50 | sven | yes but... |
| 23:30:57 | sven | 1) it's not much faster |
| 23:31:08 | sven | 2) it's incredibly flaky on my desktop side |
| 23:31:16 | DragonEagle | sven: you think 10x faster isn't much? |
| 23:31:36 | sven | I've never gotten that sort of speed out of it |
| 23:31:41 | mark_ | is there a usb socket on the ipaq - do i just plug a cable from my ipaq to my system (then configure), or do I need some sorta adaptor? |
| 23:31:42 | sven | is there a tweak? |
| 23:31:45 | DragonEagle | sven: define flaky |
| 23:32:11 | sven | /dev/usb0 doesn't show up when I plug in the ipaq |
| 23:32:40 | DragonEagle | ah, you're looking in the wrong place, check ifconfig -a for usb0 |
| 23:32:40 | sven | or it comes up as usb1 |
| 23:33:14 | sven | I can't get that to show up regularly either |
| 23:33:37 | DragonEagle | hmmmm, you using the module autoloader? |
| 23:33:47 | sven | devfs |
| 23:33:56 | DragonEagle | still wierd |
| 23:34:00 | sven | this is Mandrake we're talking about |
| 23:34:13 | mark_ | someone..... - what is needed for usb networking? |
| 23:34:15 | sven | made to be plug in pray^H^H^Hlay |
| 23:34:23 | DragonEagle | mark_: usbnet.o |
| 23:34:33 | mark_ | DragonEagle: i was thinking physically |
| 23:34:40 | DragonEagle | a usb cradle |
| 23:34:43 | DragonEagle | or cable |
| 23:34:43 | sven | mark_: there is a usb cradel |
| 23:34:59 | DragonEagle | mark_: most ipaqs ship with it |
| 23:35:07 | sven | but, you need a serial cradle in order to install linux |
| 23:35:15 | mark_ | DragonEagle: :( - i think mines comming with a serial |
| 23:35:18 | DragonEagle | has both |
| 23:35:34 | sven | I'm going to try usb again |
| 23:35:56 | sven | has both also |
| 23:36:29 | mark_ | wow 3850 looks nice |
| 23:36:50 | sven | mark_: wow can't run linux yet |
| 23:37:03 | sven | mark_: or at least not the general public |
| 23:37:09 | mark_ | sven: lol. i said _looks_ :) |
| 23:37:23 | sven | mark_: you're not allowed to look!!! |
| 23:37:24 | sven | =) |
| 23:37:38 | mark_ | how many colours display on the 3630? |
| 23:37:44 | sven | 4096 |
| 23:38:01 | mark_ | pretty display? |
| 23:38:10 | sven | very, you don't notice |
| 23:38:21 | sven | that it's not true color |
| 23:38:33 | mark_ | oh - and can you get a keyboard for them? |
| 23:38:50 | sven | it's called a stowaway |
| 23:39:01 | mark_ | work under linux? |
| 23:39:07 | sven | yup |
| 23:39:12 | sven | I have one |
| 23:39:15 | mark_ | how much? |
| 23:39:31 | DragonEagle | is waiting for targus to come out with their thumb keyboard for the ipaq |
| 23:39:37 | sven | $100 usd |
| 23:39:47 | sven | DragonEagle: I prefer a real kbd |
| 23:39:59 | mark_ | different ones are better for different situations |
| 23:40:30 | DragonEagle | sven: we don't all have the same preference :) |
| 23:40:40 | sven | naturally |
| 23:40:47 | sven | note the 'I prefer' |
| 23:45:03 | sven | usbage up |
| 23:46:17 | sven | hopes he won't be quit next. |