| 01:24:16 | case__ | anyone interested in helping me with a problem? its probably user error.. :) |
| 01:28:37 | greeno | case__: whats up? |
| 01:31:13 | case__ | trying to set system time on my ipaq, and when I do a hard powerdown it resets |
| 01:31:36 | case__ | I used hwclock and date and coordinated the two |
| 01:31:57 | greeno | there is a bug, I've not seen it myself, but check the mail archives or ask on #handhelds.org |
| 01:32:44 | case__ | ah |
| 01:32:48 | case__ | thx |
| 08:20:35 | DragonEagle | is away: good night |
| 10:03:05 | | bugger all, i dunno, mpakula |
| 10:03:05 | mpakula | ibot: cworth feed ? |
| 10:03:57 | | mpakula: i haven't a clue |
| 10:03:57 | mpakula | ibot: mallum feed ? |
| 13:16:01 | RoMo | hi |
| 13:28:05 | | mpakula: what? |
| 13:28:05 | mpakula | ibot terrys |
| 13:28:27 | | terrys was last seen on #familiar 31 days, 12 hours, 2 minutes and 27 seconds ago, saying: a7r: sure - if required I'll build my own pcmcia-cs [Sat Nov 17 01:26:00 2001] |
| 13:28:27 | mpakula | ibot: seen terrys |
| 14:42:20 | _MAX_ | hi there |
| 14:42:23 | _MAX_ | whatsup |
| 14:45:38 | _MAX_ | hehe beeblebrox :-) hes reading to much zaphod |
| 14:46:24 | picochu | hello? |
| 14:56:12 | bipolar | |
| 14:57:12 | picochu | hello? |
| 14:57:28 | bipolar | |
| 14:57:31 | bipolar | :) |
| 14:57:43 | bipolar | stirs... |
| 14:58:26 | picochu | hi bipolar is there an apmd in the apm package of fam 0.5? |
| 14:59:24 | bipolar | picochu: I don't think that apmd is used on the iPaq. |
| 14:59:37 | picochu | but there's apm on ipaq familiar |
| 15:04:51 | _MAX_ | hi |
| 15:05:24 | picochu | hi |
| 15:05:28 | _MAX_ | whatsup |
| 15:05:52 | picochu | nothing... |
| 15:05:56 | picochu | waiting for LOTR :P |
| 15:06:01 | _MAX_ | lotr? |
| 15:06:17 | picochu | Lords of the rings |
| 15:24:50 | bipolar | picochu: apm is not apmd. apm just tells you what the remaining battery life is. It does nothing else. |
| 15:29:11 | picochu | okay |
| 15:29:14 | picochu | thanks |
| 15:30:10 | picochu | one more question what is in /dev/mtdblock/0? |
| 15:30:22 | picochu | can i mkfs on that dev? |
| 15:31:28 | picochu | oops i guess not |
| 15:32:46 | bipolar | picochu: I would not try it... :) |
| 15:32:59 | bipolar | picochu: thats your bootldr, methinks. |
| 15:33:31 | picochu | yeap that's where it is ... |
| 15:33:56 | picochu | but that leaves me with only 16 Mb of flash :/ |
| 15:35:29 | bipolar | picochu: uh, yeah. thats all there is. |
| 15:35:45 | bipolar | picochu: the 36xx ipaqs only have 16mb of flash. |
| 15:36:22 | bipolar | picochu: but the file system is compressed, so its got about 30MB of space. |
| 15:36:31 | picochu | well :/ |
| 15:36:35 | bipolar | picochu: give or take... :) |
| 15:36:46 | picochu | 3800 is a weebit expensive tho... |
| 15:36:54 | picochu | I'm saving for 1 gig of microdrive :) |
| 15:36:58 | bipolar | picochu: the 37xx's have 32MB of flash. |
| 15:37:10 | picochu | nah I'm skipping 37 |
| 15:37:25 | bipolar | picochu: and linux is not yet 100% on the 38xx anyway. |
| 15:37:52 | picochu | yeap i know... just waiting for the peeps on crl to do their magic.. :) |
| 15:37:58 | picochu | bluetooth :) |
| 15:38:12 | picochu | I'm waiting for them to get 128Mb working too :) |
| 15:38:18 | pattieja | morning |
| 15:38:30 | picochu | moring |
| 15:39:44 | bipolar | pattieja: morning.... |
| 15:40:45 | pattieja | anybody using QTopia on top of Familiar these days? |
| 15:43:55 | bipolar | raises his hand. |
| 15:44:02 | bipolar | pattieja: check out my feed, |
| 15:44:12 | bipolar | it has a CVS build from dec 6th |
| 15:44:20 | bipolar | But you need to fix ipkg first. |
| 15:44:59 | pattieja | bipolar: I noticed that not all the functionality is there for the QPE ipkg manager to have some of its packages work properly |
| 15:45:17 | bipolar | pattieja: yes it is. |
| 15:45:20 | pattieja | for example, to get the back light app to work properly, we had to install h3600-utils that contained 'bl' |
| 15:45:30 | bipolar | pattieja: not in the new builds. |
| 15:45:48 | bipolar | pattieja: what was the last version you used? |
| 15:45:52 | pattieja | hmm. So I installed an older version maybe? |
| 15:46:06 | pattieja | umm. whatever you get from qpe.sourceforge.net |
| 15:46:07 | bipolar | pattieja: 1.5.0 is the current CVS version. |
| 15:46:27 | bipolar | pattieja: the newest ipks on there were built in october. |
| 15:46:45 | pattieja | ouch |
| 15:46:49 | bipolar | yeah. |
| 15:46:56 | pattieja | well, it's working at least |
| 15:47:04 | bipolar | I keep my feed up to date as much as I can. |
| 15:47:14 | bipolar | Currently everything works. :) |
| 15:47:26 | bipolar | But you need to fix ipkg before you can use it. |
| 15:55:28 | pattieja | bipolar: what do you mean "fix" ipkg? |
| 15:56:03 | bipolar | pattieja: there is a bug in it that affents newer qpe packages. |
| 15:56:43 | bipolar | It gets confused by some of the control data and downloads packages into the current dir rather then /tmp/ipkg |
| 15:56:48 | pattieja | hmm. even the version that comes with Familiar 0.5 release? |
| 15:57:01 | bipolar | yes |
| 15:57:03 | pattieja | I've seen that problem before |
| 15:57:04 | pattieja | hmm |
| 15:57:05 | pattieja | ok |
| 15:57:12 | pattieja | where's the latest version of ipkg? |
| 15:57:39 | bipolar | pattieja: the fix is to add "cd /tmp/ipkg" to the top of the script right after "#!/bin/ash" |
| 15:57:47 | bipolar | pattieja: fam .5 has the latest |
| 15:59:03 | pattieja | bipolar: fixing now... |
| 15:59:50 | pattieja | done |
| 16:00:33 | pattieja | bipolar: any word on the QTopia Desktop software? I can't seem to find any links to it. Just see the app screenshots on Trolltech's website. |
| 16:00:50 | pattieja | we really need synching capabilities for the iPAQ |
| 16:01:16 | bipolar | pattieja: My understanding is that it will be relesed as binary only (free beer) when 1.5.0 is done. |
| 16:01:48 | pattieja | hmm. I assume it will run in a platform independent way (i.e., on Linux, Windows, etc.)? |
| 16:02:13 | bipolar | pattieja: yes. it will use Obex, methinks. |
| 16:02:22 | pattieja | what is Obex? |
| 16:02:37 | bipolar | Thats the same protocal that Palms use. |
| 16:02:43 | pattieja | ahh |
| 16:02:54 | bipolar | look up openobex |
| 16:02:57 | bipolar | on google |
| 16:04:07 | pattieja | bipolar: maybe you can answer this |
| 16:04:18 | bipolar | ? |
| 16:04:21 | pattieja | we're attempting to use the stowaway keyboard under Familiar |
| 16:04:42 | pattieja | we've got it working, but all the messages are being dumped to the screen |
| 16:04:55 | pattieja | kernel messages that is, and it messes up QTopia |
| 16:04:57 | pattieja | the display |
| 16:05:22 | pattieja | it doesn't bother X, since X utilizes a different virtual terminal than the logging console (I assume) |
| 16:05:27 | bipolar | Is there a daemon that you are running? |
| 16:06:03 | pattieja | what kind of daemon? it happens whenever events happen that the kernel logs, i.e., PCMCIA sleeve content changing, stowaway module loading, etc. |
| 16:06:05 | bipolar | Somehow you need to > /dev/null |
| 16:06:16 | pattieja | the kernel? |
| 16:06:20 | bipolar | oh... Thats not right... |
| 16:06:31 | pattieja | tried that already |
| 16:06:39 | bipolar | is there a "console=" thing in /boot/params |
| 16:06:41 | bipolar | ? |
| 16:06:42 | pattieja | set 'console=/dev/null' in linuxargs to the bootloader |
| 16:06:53 | pattieja | didn't affect anything |
| 16:07:02 | bipolar | I'm not sure. |
| 16:07:11 | bipolar | Perhaps ask in #handhelds.org |
| 16:07:20 | pattieja | the only thing that seems to work is to set 'console=ttySA0' to get rid of console logging to the screen |
| 16:07:26 | pattieja | ok |
| 16:07:48 | bipolar | oh! |
| 16:07:55 | bipolar | yeah. thats it. |
| 16:08:20 | bipolar | Then it dumps it to the serial port. |
| 16:09:26 | pattieja | bipolar: exactly what we don't want |
| 16:09:34 | pattieja | cause the keyboard doesn't work then (I think) |
| 16:09:56 | pattieja | I can try it, though |
| 16:10:05 | pattieja | maybe they changed the driver to be able to handle it |
| 16:10:30 | bipolar | You could send it to ttySA1... thats ir. :) |
| 16:15:47 | pattieja | and burn my battery? ummm. hmm. no thanks :) |
| 16:33:06 | pattieja | hmm. oh well. |
| 16:33:10 | pattieja | can't make anything else work |
| 16:33:14 | pattieja | burnin' the diode |
| 16:36:08 | pattieja | hmm. QTopia reboot thingy doesn't work. The iPAQ doesn't reboot. |
| 16:38:58 | pattieja | that didn't work |
| 16:39:22 | pattieja | now every time it boots, the screen doesn't respond and the network adapter is not online, so I can't ssh in to the iPAQ |
| 16:39:24 | pattieja | hmm |
| 17:20:45 | mchang | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:20:48 | mchang | is back (gone 00:00:00) |
| 18:06:27 | mpakula | is away... brb |
| 20:16:12 | beeblebrox | # ./x start |
| 20:16:12 | beeblebrox | Starting X... |
| 20:16:13 | beeblebrox | dma period = 1398056 ps |
| 20:16:15 | beeblebrox | dma period = 1398056 ps |
| 20:16:16 | beeblebrox | bad ioctl: Connection timed out |
| 20:16:19 | beeblebrox | Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing from list! |
| 20:16:28 | beeblebrox | could someone help me with that? |
| 20:29:40 | DragonEagle | is away: nap time |
| 20:32:19 | mchang | is away: workin' |
| 21:00:11 | pattieja | hmm. The stowaway keyboard doesn't work that well with QTopia all the time |
| 21:00:32 | pattieja | I found out though, that it still works even when you have the kernel redirected to the serial console on ttySA0 |
| 21:00:47 | pattieja | but it doesn't quite work when you come back from a suspend |
| 22:23:03 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm off to find myself. If you find me before I do, please tell me to wait here until I return. |