| 00:01:30 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 00:04:43 | sgodsell_nb | is away: bbl |
| 01:24:07 | GNUbie | hi |
| 01:24:09 | GNUbie | Anyone like to help with a problem Familiar install? I'm afraid the iPaq may be fscked up |
| 03:16:01 | cire | hey |
| 05:36:24 | Bandito | hi. I want to install linux on my ipaq 3650. i don't have any network connectivity, though. is there a way to get x on there? |
| 05:38:18 | Bandito | hello? |
| 05:48:40 | Bandito | hellooooo |
| 07:12:15 | neosol | anyone care to breifly review pocketlinux? |
| 07:12:30 | neosol | briefly.. |
| 07:21:12 | neosol | eg apm.. apps.. |
| 07:24:10 | ApoXX-ZzzZZzz | neosol: I haven't had any personal experience, but I haven't seen any development for over a year |
| 08:00:51 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 07:59:23) |
| 08:54:58 | neosol | Well.. I've just finished installing it ... it stinks.....pretty bad :( |
| 08:55:54 | neosol | The power button is useless, and the apps are slow ( due to JIT java? ) |
| 08:56:07 | neosol | but it looks nice, with themes and all. |
| 08:56:49 | neosol | I think it's time to see what exactly that Zaurus is all about |
| 13:54:15 | mcook83 | someone have time for some (hopefully) quick help? |
| 13:55:31 | beeblebrox | mcook83: ? |
| 13:56:10 | mcook83 | installed familiar 0.4 on my 3635 no prob |
| 13:56:32 | mcook83 | tried 0.5 - at boot, I get the prompt, can't login |
| 13:56:49 | mcook83 | using minicom, serial base |
| 13:56:52 | beeblebrox | cant login? |
| 13:56:59 | beeblebrox | do you see familiar login: ? |
| 13:57:00 | mcook83 | no keystrokes appear |
| 13:57:02 | mcook83 | yeah |
| 13:57:27 | beeblebrox | are your settinogs correct ?19200, 8n1, no flow control? |
| 13:57:42 | mcook83 | hmmm - probably too fast |
| 13:58:03 | mcook83 | I'll dial it down |
| 13:58:33 | beeblebrox | actually, 115200 should also work! |
| 13:58:54 | mcook83 | I also have this message (before the prompt): |
| 13:58:56 | mcook83 | insmod: a module named sa1100_cs already exists |
| 13:58:58 | beeblebrox | i just checked.. thats what i have.. 115200 9N1 |
| 13:59:33 | mcook83 | had no problems typing at the boot> prompt |
| 14:00:02 | mcook83 | I saw someone else had this problem on the list, but couldn't find an answer |
| 14:00:30 | beeblebrox | mcook83: come to #handhelds.org there are more ppl there, and some1 should be able to help |
| 14:00:48 | mcook83 | thanx |
| 15:08:08 | | terrys was last seen on #familiar 16 hours, 19 minutes and 31 seconds ago, saying: a7r: insmod works ok [Thu Dec 20 22:48:37 2001] |
| 15:08:08 | mpakula | ibot seen terrys |
| 15:39:22 | | boodle was last seen on #ipaq 4 days, 1 hours, 44 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: hash: try that [Mon Dec 17 13:55:19 2001] |
| 15:39:22 | raduga | ibot seen boodle |
| 15:45:04 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 18:17:28 | bipolar | is back (gone 44:18:14) |
| 19:33:47 | bipolar | is away: Lunch, bank, and music.... |
| 20:11:33 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:37:46) |
| 20:30:31 | speed-RR | hi |
| 21:57:25 | bipolar_away | is away: I've gone in search of myself. If I return before I get back, please tell me to wait for myself here. |
| 22:10:33 | EGg0 | is away: I'm painting myself blue and running naked in the street. |
| 23:30:48 | raduga | hrm |
| 23:31:31 | raduga | I'm having an odd build issue with 2.4.16-rmk2 |
| 23:32:04 | raduga | undefined references to SA1111_IRQ(32) in the pcmcia code |
| 23:32:37 | raduga | blerf. are there any kernel-dev channels around here? |
| 23:39:50 | raduga | hmm |
| 23:39:56 | raduga | i may have found the problem |
| 23:40:26 | raduga | if so, i think one of the "IRQ code cleanups" may have "cleaned up" something trhey shouldn't have :) |
| 23:40:32 | Kero | raduga: #handhelds.org has a few more ppl |
| 23:40:36 | raduga | ok |
| 23:40:45 | Kero | sa1111 by the way? |
| 23:40:59 | raduga | yep |
| 23:41:05 | raduga | jornada 720 |
| 23:41:09 | Kero | ah |
| 23:41:14 | raduga | i.e. not anything any of you are running |
| 23:41:39 | Kero | most or all iPAQ ppl here. |
| 23:41:42 | raduga | In theory, it SHOULD be possible to get a working linux system running on it, |
| 23:41:54 | raduga | i know this in part, because netbsd runs just swell ;) |
| 23:42:19 | raduga | but the total userbase of J720 linux users appears to be less than 1 at the moment. |
| 23:42:35 | Kero | netbsd on jornada means someone at least solved the bootstrapping. |
| 23:42:49 | raduga | i.e. nobody on usenet, the mailinglists, IRC or web appears to be doing it. |
| 23:43:02 | raduga | well, they solve the problem by writing their own damned bootloader :) |
| 23:43:34 | raduga | actually, part of "the problem" with familiar-style bootloaders is the GPL, which was the first thing openbsd team fixed. |
| 23:43:35 | Kero | sure, would you know a better way? |
| 23:43:55 | raduga | but, that's a bsd-politics issue, not technical |
| 23:44:23 | Kero | intriguing, would a kernel be linked to a bootloader or would it be a different program started from the bootloader. |
| 23:44:31 | raduga | its a separate file. |
| 23:44:44 | Kero | shared libraries are separate files, too. |
| 23:44:52 | raduga | what the BSD bootloader does is it will load any ELF file that you give it, and execute |
| 23:45:15 | raduga | once the kernel bin is running, it can fend for itself, hopefully |
| 23:45:34 | raduga | BSD bootloader runs under wince by the way |
| 23:45:42 | Kero | yeah, ok i'd say that's a diferent program, then. |
| 23:45:43 | raduga | and reads from a FAT filesystem |
| 23:45:46 | raduga | right. |
| 23:45:59 | Kero | so what's the problem with GPL? |
| 23:46:30 | raduga | not my problem ;) |
| 23:46:42 | raduga | BSD people don't like it. they feel it restricts their freedom. |
| 23:47:14 | raduga | i.e. the freedom of some random person to rip off your code, put it in their proprietary application, not give you any credit, and then sue you for stealing what they own. |
| 23:47:35 | Kero | something like that :) |
| 23:48:19 | raduga | OH MY GOD |
| 23:48:22 | raduga | it builds! |
| 23:48:27 | raduga | ): now i'm scared |
| 23:48:45 | raduga | hrm. i think i'm gonna submit a patch, soon |
| 23:48:52 | raduga | if this build actually boots ;) |
| 23:49:26 | raduga | i'll poke around and see if this is a jornada-specific problem |
| 23:50:01 | raduga | or if it could (possibly??) be something broken in my environment that forced me to modify the source tree |
| 23:50:19 | Kero | Are you cross compiling? |
| 23:50:29 | raduga | yep. |
| 23:51:05 | Kero | hm, kernels can deal with that. Unlikely that it's a broken env. |
| 23:51:41 | raduga | the two problems I had were that the J720 specific .c bits weren't finding the IRQ code, and I had to manually add #include <foo/irqs.h> |
| 23:51:49 | Kero | kernel config might contain mistakes, but if you know what you're doing.. :) |
| 23:51:57 | raduga | and the irqs.h was missing a definition |
| 23:52:04 | raduga | that isn't defined ANYWHERE in the entire source tree |
| 23:52:18 | raduga | but seemed to have been defined in an old, old patch |
| 23:52:19 | Kero | submit a patch. If you are wrong, they'll tell you :) |
| 23:52:24 | raduga | hehe :) |
| 23:52:57 | raduga | I've only built kernels for i386 before, |
| 23:53:01 | raduga | but i've built a LOT of them |
| 23:53:25 | raduga | I took the definition (from the ancient patch) added it to irqs.h |
| 23:53:31 | raduga | and lo! it seems to build. |
| 23:53:48 | raduga | in tracking this down, i should find out where and when that def was removed from the patch tree |
| 23:53:52 | raduga | and if there was a reason for it. |
| 23:54:02 | raduga | or if somehow its expected to be defined elsewhere?? |
| 23:54:09 | raduga | anyway this is academic, |
| 23:54:14 | raduga | until I try to run it |
| 23:56:17 | Kero | hehe |
| 23:56:24 | raduga | hrm. |
| 23:56:28 | raduga | here's a question. |
| 23:56:40 | raduga | does the compressed zImage need to be uncompressed by the loader? |
| 23:56:57 | raduga | or does it contain code to auto-uncompress on execution? |
| 23:57:13 | Kero | does lilo uncompress kernels? I don't think so. |
| 23:57:28 | raduga | wait. if you dd a zImage straight to a raw floppy, it will boot |
| 23:57:38 | raduga | so, zImage should bootstrap itself :) |
| 23:57:47 | raduga | ok, i'm about to break the uptime on my PDA |
| 23:57:54 | Kero | kernels uncompress themselves, indeed. |