| 00:14:47 | Zoiah | Hiya'll |
| 00:15:15 | Zoiah | How do I type stuff in my xterm in the iPAQ? :) |
| 00:16:21 | blakangel | xstroke |
| 00:18:52 | Zoiah | Thanks. |
| 01:05:20 | mark_ | has anyone here installed qtopia on their ipaq? my apps arent showing up as they should |
| 01:12:32 | Zoiah | How do I use the 32MB of RAM my iPAQ has in familiar? |
| 04:05:38 | fatmike | sorry this is kinda offtopic... i can't put linux on my ipaq yet (no serial cable (btw, anyone one to sell me one for cheap?)); anyway, i was wondering if there was anyway to supply my ipaq (w/ windoze) internet over the usb cable (from my linux box?) |
| 04:58:48 | macroexp | is there any way to use a stowaway keyboard on familiar 0.5? |
| 04:59:07 | macroexp | besides "cat /dev/stowaway"? (not very useful) |
| 04:59:53 | a7r | macroexp: how is that not useful? it's merely a switch to turn on stowaway behavior. |
| 05:01:08 | macroexp | so I have to leave a "cat /dev/stowaway" running ? |
| 05:01:31 | a7r | yup. |
| 05:02:00 | macroexp | hmm that should be mentioned :) |
| 05:02:25 | a7r | it is.. check out the Wiki. |
| 05:02:34 | macroexp | I did? |
| 05:04:43 | macroexp | btw, the virtual keyboard has a bug, in that clicking "shift" then clicking the , (comma) key spits out a > just like shift-. does... |
| 05:07:32 | fatmike | can i route internet over the USB cable |
| 05:07:33 | fatmike | ? |
| 05:08:24 | macroexp | fatmike: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 05:11:09 | fatmike | thank you |
| 07:13:08 | greeno_ | is back (gone 03:28:46) |
| 07:13:20 | greeno_ | is away: - eating |
| 07:43:34 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 08:01:52 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:18:17) |
| 08:55:28 | greeno | is back (gone 01:10:02) |
| 09:32:44 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 10:11:34 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:38:50) |
| 11:35:07 | DragonEagle | is away: work |
| 11:44:08 | mark_ | hi all. does anyone know how to get Qtopia to reread the .Desktop files without having to shut the whole thing down? |
| 12:50:13 | _MAX_ | hi |
| 12:55:18 | mark_ | heya |
| 12:56:55 | _MAX_ | uh??? |
| 12:56:57 | _MAX_ | mark?? |
| 12:57:05 | _MAX_ | hi mark |
| 12:57:05 | _MAX_ | hehe |
| 13:06:20 | mark_ | uh??? |
| 13:06:30 | mark_ | i was just saying hello :) |
| 13:11:39 | _MAX_ | hehe |
| 15:16:54 | bob_ | hello |
| 15:18:29 | bob_ | leaving... |
| 15:45:06 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 16:24:00 | macroexp | argh |
| 16:24:26 | macroexp | or args, rather. is there ANY way to change linuxargs w/o a serial cable? |
| 16:27:38 | macroexp | I did a "set linuxargs = blahblah" but it didn't seem to hold them after a reset |
| 16:31:38 | macroexp | :( |
| 16:44:17 | macroexp | v |
| 16:45:32 | macroexp | oh, that was easy. the wiki is cool and all, but there should be more use of meta pages to tie info together.. navigation is klunky... |
| 17:34:34 | alexksso | hi! |
| 17:59:26 | merf | are there any xml parsing libs for familiar? |
| 18:01:49 | sgodsell_csl | is back (gone 21:46:12) |
| 19:50:48 | macroexp | anyone ever tried "dialing into" a win2k pc via irda/pppd? |
| 19:50:53 | sliide | hi all |
| 19:51:01 | macroexp | hey |
| 19:51:36 | sliide | hmmmm... I'm gonna buy a handheld... I hate WinCE... is it worth risking an ipaq? |
| 19:51:58 | macroexp | do you like linux? |
| 19:52:07 | Zoiah | sliide: risking? |
| 19:52:12 | macroexp | you should if you're considering putting linux on an ipaq... |
| 19:52:17 | Zoiah | sliide: the installation went smooooooth. :) |
| 19:52:44 | sliide | I mean, if the linux distribution is ummm... work in progress, then I'll be stuck with a horrible wince machine |
| 19:52:53 | sliide | but if its useable, then that will be great |
| 19:53:05 | sliide | Yeah I do like linux |
| 19:53:36 | sliide | Will I be able to run Java reasonably well? |
| 19:53:40 | macroexp | I can't tell if it's "usable" for pim-type stuff... I think there's apps but I haven't tried them... too busy writing python code... |
| 19:54:02 | Zoiah | sliide: if you want java go with PocketLoinux |
| 19:54:12 | Zoiah | PocketLinux |
| 19:54:15 | macroexp | or savaje? |
| 19:56:07 | sliide | hmmm, I'll go have a look |
| 19:56:21 | sliide | It's just PDA choice is a bit limited at the moment |
| 19:56:36 | macroexp | true that |
| 19:57:01 | sliide | wince is awful, Palm machines are all underpowered, and while I love symbian, I don't much like the hardware, and I've now had two data destroying crahses ;) |
| 19:57:25 | sliide | I was looking at a Sony Clie, but then I realised Sony are evil :( |
| 19:57:36 | macroexp | clie uses palmos, no? |
| 19:58:06 | sliide | yup |
| 19:59:03 | sliide | the most recent clie is quite nice. 320x320 screen, 33MHz, looks lovely in a nice aluminium case. And the screen is a nice reflective/frontlit, which I've thought for a while is the best LCD type |
| 19:59:36 | macroexp | re the screen type, I'd agree... |
| 19:59:40 | sliide | unfortunately its expensive and the MP3 playback is restricetd and mangled and Sony is apparently busy violating GPL |
| 19:59:49 | macroexp | heheh |
| 20:00:12 | sliide | Yeah I've been thinking for ages that people should start using reflective TFT screens in handhelds, but ti took a loooong while for them to actually do it |
| 20:00:52 | macroexp | being able to -not- use the backlight is a good thing.. |
| 20:00:58 | macroexp | sidelight, rather |
| 20:01:00 | sliide | yup exactly |
| 20:01:09 | sliide | front/sidelight |
| 20:01:33 | macroexp | I'm tempted to try java on my ipaq. afraid it's too resource hungry |
| 20:01:37 | sliide | A decent reflective TFT is useable in most light conditions, you only need the frontlight when it gets really dark |
| 20:01:54 | sliide | hmmm... Java doesn't have to be that bad, depends how it's written |
| 20:02:16 | sliide | For me, I would be very tempted to start writing some PIM tools in java, if I could run them well on an iPaq. |
| 20:02:24 | macroexp | I wonder is the kaffe from pocketlinux usable in familiar, etc... |
| 20:03:06 | macroexp | but all that swing stuff has got to be slow. I'd probably go a browser-based route w/ java... |
| 20:03:10 | sliide | I would be interested in a very minimal linux distro that basically just supported a JVM |
| 20:03:25 | macroexp | (that's kind of what pocketlinux was supposed to be) |
| 20:03:26 | sliide | no swing is pretty fast, in my experience |
| 20:03:49 | sliide | Yeah it did sound like that from the blurb on that page, but I wasn't sure, it started talking about other stuff as well |
| 20:05:24 | sliide | oh sweet, javadocs :))) |
| 20:06:11 | macroexp | yeah maybe if I get a sizable CF card I'll attempt a java install... my 16mb of flash is packed... |
| 20:07:07 | sliide | looks like it uses AWT, must have a native toolkit for the interface |
| 20:07:17 | sliide | I wonder what version of java it is... |
| 20:07:56 | sliide | You should buy a bigger CF, they're cheap as hell |
| 20:08:09 | sliide | thats one big thing that put me off the clie, you have to use MenoryShits |
| 20:08:14 | sliide | oops MemoryShits |
| 20:08:19 | macroexp | yeah I've noticed... |
| 20:08:29 | macroexp | those memory sticks are pretty crappy... |
| 20:08:45 | macroexp | pocketlinux uses their own hacked-over version of kaffe |
| 20:08:52 | sliide | Yup, crappy, expensive, and "secure" |
| 20:09:19 | sliide | And you know EXACTLY whose data is secure ;) Theirs ;) |
| 20:09:54 | macroexp | hehe |
| 20:13:56 | sliide | hmm, kaffe is somewhere between 1.1 and 1.2 |
| 20:14:19 | alexksso | lo |
| 20:14:51 | Zoiah | Hi |
| 20:18:13 | alexksso | :) |
| 20:18:27 | alexksso | any1 running melon on top of familiar ? |
| 20:18:46 | macroexp | what is melon? |
| 20:18:54 | Zoiah | Melon? |
| 20:19:24 | alexksso | http://melon.10art-ni.co.jp/ |
| 20:19:32 | alexksso | there are a few nice packages |
| 20:19:41 | alexksso | http://melon.10art-ni.co.jp/download/ipkg/cameron/ |
| 20:19:50 | alexksso | there you can see the packages |
| 20:20:06 | alexksso | hope you can read japanese :) |
| 20:20:57 | Zoiah | I still dunno what melon is. :D |
| 20:21:28 | alexksso | it's a set of packages for familiar :) |
| 20:21:38 | alexksso | like intimate actually |
| 20:22:53 | sliide | jeebus, kaffe looks like a nightmare |
| 20:24:07 | alexksso | kaffe stinks .... |
| 20:24:13 | alexksso | i tried it and welll ..... |
| 20:24:14 | sliide | :( |
| 20:24:20 | alexksso | just forgot about it |
| 20:24:30 | alexksso | along with pocketlinux |
| 20:25:09 | sliide | Is there any good solution for Java on an iPaq? |
| 20:25:47 | alexksso | I didn't find any ... but why wuld any1 want to use java anyay? |
| 20:26:05 | sliide | Because its the best programming language ever? ;) |
| 20:26:06 | alexksso | this will be daaaamn slow |
| 20:26:06 | alexksso | :) |
| 20:26:19 | alexksso | too bad it's a vm .. |
| 20:26:20 | sliide | It doesn't have to be slow :( |
| 20:26:28 | sliide | dammit, there's no reason not to have a KIT |
| 20:26:31 | sliide | um JIT |
| 20:26:36 | alexksso | arf |
| 20:26:38 | alexksso | lol |
| 20:26:42 | sliide | ? |
| 20:27:12 | alexksso | c is good :) and fast :) |
| 20:27:20 | sliide | c is awful, and can be fast |
| 20:27:25 | alexksso | and you can cast :))) |
| 20:27:27 | sliide | but not necessarily faster than java |
| 20:27:30 | sliide | eh? |
| 20:27:39 | alexksso | well in java too |
| 20:27:42 | sliide | Last time I checked, you could cast in java |
| 20:27:46 | alexksso | but it's more fun with C |
| 20:27:50 | sliide | lol, yeah |
| 20:27:52 | alexksso | and c IS faster |
| 20:28:00 | sliide | How do you work that out? |
| 20:28:46 | alexksso | simple first just watch the memory used .. then the number of threads launched by the JVM and finally run it on a poor processor and then you can cry |
| 20:29:19 | sliide | You have to take the long view |
| 20:29:47 | sliide | You can turn out a nice well written java app more quickly, and it will probably crash and do weird stuff a hell of a lot less |
| 20:30:01 | sliide | and with a good JIT on a PC at least, the speed is very similar |
| 20:30:02 | alexksso | yep ... ok but the long view leads more to ada then to Java .... |
| 20:30:15 | sliide | yeah but who can be bothered with ada? |
| 20:30:27 | Zoiah | Simply put... C == faster programs, Java == faster programming? |
| 20:30:53 | sliide | The only time I've ever seen anyone actually try to find out in a controlled way what the "speed" of Java was like compared to c |
| 20:31:10 | sliide | They came out with very similar performance comparing VC++ to IBM JIT |
| 20:31:42 | sliide | and that was with a fairly standard Java implementation of some common tasks versus fancy optimised algorithms for C |
| 20:31:46 | alexksso | sliide: i wouldn't trust it |
| 20:31:56 | sliide | well, they ran the tests, they posted the results |
| 20:31:59 | alexksso | have you ever coded in C ? |
| 20:32:06 | sliide | it wasn't one of these rigged tests, just a guy doing it himself |
| 20:32:24 | sliide | Yeah I ahve, and I've seen large projects coded in C that are nightmares to maintain and debug |
| 20:32:56 | sliide | well, C++, but frankly I'm not THAT sure that C++ is actually any better than C ;) |
| 20:33:13 | sliide | Admittedly a lot of the grief comes from M$ ;) |
| 20:33:54 | alexksso | Well I've coded large projects in both C++ and Java |
| 20:34:04 | alexksso | I don't find java is easier to maintain |
| 20:34:17 | alexksso | as long as you code in a clean way |
| 20:34:24 | alexksso | no extreme programming I mean |
| 20:34:33 | alexksso | the .h are extremly useful |
| 20:34:38 | alexksso | they lack in java |
| 20:34:57 | sliide | nah .h isn't that useful |
| 20:35:03 | sliide | What do you use them for? |
| 20:35:31 | alexksso | well i define what the public functions are and i give the .h to the co workers |
| 20:35:45 | alexksso | they can code and wait till i'm done with my class |
| 20:36:02 | alexksso | ada has got.adb for that |
| 20:36:10 | alexksso | I find them extremly useful |
| 20:36:26 | alexksso | and the lack of multi inheritance in java just annoys me |
| 20:37:27 | sliide | dammit thats what everyone always says |
| 20:37:40 | alexksso | i understand everyone :) |
| 20:37:59 | sliide | but no one can give me a reason why you shouldn't just inherit from one class, and include the other as a field (if necessary, also subclassed) |
| 20:38:17 | sliide | and I've never really seen an example where one of the parent classes shouldn't be an interface |
| 20:38:34 | alexksso | why not inherit from many class ... I find that much more logical |
| 20:38:46 | alexksso | well I ' ve got plenty |
| 20:38:46 | alexksso | :) |
| 20:38:51 | sliide | no, mainly just confusing when you need to maintain |
| 20:39:39 | alexksso | i think it's just more complicated without any true win ..... |
| 20:39:48 | sliide | you should only actually "be" one thing, each class should clearly belong to one point on your tree of classes. You may need to use other classes as helper classes, that doesn't mean you should try to subclass them all at once |
| 20:40:25 | sliide | it's not more complicated to just put a field in and expose it's methods, or to implement an interface |
| 20:40:50 | sliide | besides it sometimes helps you to see that you are setting up the wrong classes ;) |
| 20:41:12 | alexksso | that's a point of vue indeed ..... |
| 20:41:32 | sliide | yeah I'm not trying to persuade you |
| 20:42:04 | sliide | I mean I really really don't think there is a best way of programming, just saying I think java is a very nice environment, I've coded sonme big projects in it, and I found it extremely enjoyable |
| 20:42:14 | alexksso | but i've got an example in mind where this could not work ..... |
| 20:42:22 | alexksso | wel in a tricky way it could |
| 20:42:23 | sliide | and the only time I've used it for time critical code, it actually worked pretty well |
| 20:42:34 | alexksso | :)) |
| 20:42:41 | sliide | there's always a way round ;) |
| 20:42:45 | alexksso | :) |
| 20:42:49 | alexksso | sure :) |
| 20:43:07 | alexksso | familiar v.0.5.1 is strange ..... |
| 20:43:19 | alexksso | it's my 6th ipkg install -f |
| 20:43:23 | sliide | I haven't tried it - I was just wondering whethr to buy an ipaq |
| 20:43:31 | alexksso | and it allways crashes .... |
| 20:43:36 | sliide | :( |
| 20:43:47 | alexksso | but 1 step after each time |
| 20:43:55 | alexksso | sliide: yes |
| 20:43:58 | alexksso | definetly |
| 20:43:59 | alexksso | :)) |
| 20:44:03 | alexksso | ipaq rocks |
| 20:44:20 | sliide | What I really want is a nice cross compiler... Java bytecode to ARM, and an environment on the iPaq to run it on |
| 20:44:33 | sliide | that would be the best of both worlds, fast and easy :) |
| 20:44:45 | alexksso | you definitely want your java stuff :p :) |
| 20:45:02 | alexksso | i'm not sure it could fit in 32 mb ... |
| 20:45:32 | Zoiah | GCC has a java-compiler, doesn't it? :) |
| 20:45:42 | sliide | Yeah... hmmm ;) |
| 20:45:43 | alexksso | a bad one isn't it ? |
| 20:45:55 | sliide | I dunno, I just use the IBM JIT on pc |
| 20:46:26 | sliide | anyway java source to arm would not be so useful, bytecode to arm would be |
| 20:48:23 | sliide | So anyway, Pocketlinux+kaffe = heap of crap? |
| 20:48:26 | alexksso | you got python on the ipaq :)) |
| 20:48:37 | alexksso | Pocketlinux+kaffe = shit :) |
| 20:48:44 | alexksso | i tried it |
| 20:48:53 | alexksso | and really it's bad !! :) |
| 20:49:12 | alexksso | but not slow i must confess ... |
| 20:49:17 | alexksso | although buggy |
| 20:50:18 | sliide | sweet, that shows you ;) |
| 20:50:33 | sliide | and kaffe is apparently about the slowest JVM/JIT around |
| 20:53:40 | alexksso | lol :) |
| 20:54:13 | sliide | hmmm... Sun should just open source their reference JVM so it can be compiled for ARM |
| 20:54:19 | sliide | it's stupid not to |
| 20:55:53 | alexksso | ntpdate phantasm.rezel.com |
| 20:55:53 | alexksso | 2 Feb 14:47:30 ntpdate[10010]: Can't adjust the time of day: Invalid argument |
| 20:55:55 | alexksso | grrrr |
| 20:56:27 | sliide | ah well... I suppose my quest for the perfect PDA continues |
| 20:56:49 | sliide | I thought I'd found one in the revo, but it's crashed twice now, and I don't trust it with my data :( |
| 20:57:11 | alexksso | revo beurk .... |
| 20:57:14 | alexksso | got 1 |
| 20:57:54 | sliide | you don't like it? |
| 20:58:02 | sliide | nice and fast, some pretty good software |
| 20:58:14 | sliide | shame it's got no usb/CF |
| 20:58:17 | alexksso | beurk i hate the keyboard & the screen |
| 20:58:24 | macroexp_ | irda is a pita |
| 20:58:27 | sliide | yeah they aren't that great |
| 20:58:30 | sliide | pita? |
| 20:58:38 | macroexp_ | pain in the a** |
| 20:58:43 | sliide | ah i getcha |
| 20:58:57 | sliide | why whats wrong with it? I've only used it with a mobile, but it worked fine |
| 20:59:03 | sliide | seems like its got a good range, anyway |
| 20:59:47 | macroexp_ | 4 or 5 feet... I'm not sure why, but it never seems to work for me. with linux that is |
| 21:00:27 | sliide | oh ok... dunno |
| 21:00:51 | sliide | and you're right, the screen is a bit murky, but I actually got used to the keyboard, got quite a good typing rate with it |
| 21:01:10 | sliide | I just want a cheap series 7 with a smaller screen |
| 21:01:13 | macroexp_ | I can't seem to find a windows term program that allows connection via a irtty... |
| 21:01:16 | sliide | they have a JVM too |
| 21:01:48 | sliide | dunno, the only IR thingy I've used installed itself as a COM port, you could just use it that way |
| 21:02:12 | macroexp_ | easier said than done... |
| 21:02:51 | macroexp_ | part of my frustration with irda stems from past experience with broken toshiba laptop irda implementations |
| 21:03:10 | sliide | yeah well toshiba laptops are just screwed |
| 21:03:18 | sliide | the PCMCIA was weird as hell as well |
| 21:03:26 | sliide | get a serial ir thingy ;) |
| 21:03:33 | alexksso | thinks that sliide IS a JVM |
| 21:03:44 | sliide | lol, in what sense? |
| 21:03:45 | macroexp_ | I'm thinking about it... they can't be too expensive |
| 21:04:15 | macroexp_ | python is almost enough to make me stop thinking about java |
| 21:09:37 | macroexp | just can't keep a connection... |
| 21:11:10 | alexksso | macroexp_ personlly I prefer perl |
| 21:11:20 | alexksso | it's more pig code :)) |
| 21:11:48 | alexksso | why is ipkg that damn slow ??? |
| 21:15:33 | alexksso | can any1 tell me about V0.6 ? |
| 21:18:31 | alexksso | is 0.5.1 stable ?? |
| 21:19:05 | alexksso | koz I put it on my ipaq and well .. it didn't install as smooth as with 0.5 1 month ago |
| 21:26:24 | alexksso | what's the root image filesystem type ? |
| 21:26:33 | alexksso | jffs2 ... what's that ? |
| 21:26:47 | Zoiah | That's the filesystem. |
| 21:26:54 | alexksso | oki ... |
| 21:27:10 | alexksso | now imagine i want to mount it -o loop to change a few things ..... |
| 21:27:17 | alexksso | and it asks the type |
| 21:27:19 | alexksso | .... |
| 21:27:24 | alexksso | what do I answer |
| 21:27:26 | alexksso | ? |
| 21:27:29 | Zoiah | Why would you? |
| 21:27:33 | sjohnson | alexksso: Can't mount jffs2 on a loopback device. |
| 21:27:40 | alexksso | to have ssh work at boot time ? |
| 21:27:51 | Zoiah | alexksso: we have ipkg install_pending for that. |
| 21:27:51 | alexksso | mmmmhhhhh oki |
| 21:28:27 | sjohnson | you can use zmodem to upload the .ipkg your need and ipkg install packages locally. |
| 21:28:32 | alexksso | oki and to configure /etc/modules and /etc/ppp/options ? |
| 21:28:37 | alexksso | you got sth for that ? |
| 21:29:09 | sjohnson | 0.5 should have vi installed in bootstrap image. |
| 21:29:23 | alexksso | yeah i know .. but i'm lazy |
| 21:29:29 | alexksso | i wanted to custom mine |
| 21:29:45 | alexksso | koz i know i change my os every 2 week ... |
| 21:29:46 | alexksso | :à |
| 21:29:47 | sjohnson | Build a custom jffs2 image? |
| 21:29:48 | alexksso | :)) |
| 21:29:56 | alexksso | oki how do you build one |
| 21:30:29 | alexksso | koz i cannot find any pkg named jffs2 sth |
| 21:30:34 | sjohnson | what do you mean change os every 2 weeks? A new kernel? |
| 21:30:51 | alexksso | no I just cannot find the os of my dream |
| 21:31:11 | alexksso | so i swithch from familiar to pocketpc2002 to pixus to pocketlinux ..... |
| 21:31:25 | alexksso | koz everyone has some nice things |
| 21:31:35 | Zoiah | PocketPC2002? Pixus? |
| 21:31:36 | alexksso | and all have some bad aspects |
| 21:31:43 | sjohnson | You can't jffs2 to do that. If you switch back to winCE your has to reflash. |
| 21:31:50 | sjohnson | ...from bootldr |
| 21:32:10 | alexksso | sjohnson: what are you talking about .. of course I needd to reflash |
| 21:32:32 | alexksso | I just want not to have to reconfigure everything everytime i switch back to familiar |
| 21:33:39 | sjohnson | you can use rsync to backup every thing from a configured system And then use rsync from backup on a bootstrap image. |
| 21:35:10 | alexksso | no koz to use it i would still need to reconfigure ppp ..... which I want to avoid too :) |
| 21:36:00 | sjohnson | hen you could build you own jffs2 custom image using mkfs_jffs2 |
| 21:37:06 | alexksso | is there a debian package with jffs2 tools ? |
| 21:37:11 | alexksso | I can't find one ... |
| 21:38:19 | | try http://linux-mtd.infradead.org/ |
| 21:38:19 | sjohnson | ibot1: jffs2 |
| 21:38:30 | sjohnson | Try looking there. |
| 21:39:13 | sjohnson | Worse case, you can get the source code for mkfs_jffs2 and compile it your self. |
| 21:39:53 | alexksso | oki thx |
| 21:41:12 | alexksso | oki there is a nmtd package ... |
| 22:29:12 | xwred1 | familiar is having trouble booting on my ipaq, I think |
| 22:29:21 | xwred1 | "Setting the System Clock using the Hardware Clock as reference..." |
| 22:29:27 | xwred1 | says that, and just seems to hang |
| 22:48:02 | xwred1 | mostly idlers, I think |
| 22:51:52 | sliide | hmmm so, anyone here used an ipaq with familiar as an organiser? Is it as functional as say a palm? |
| 22:55:24 | xwred1 | sliide: I use qpe on familiar for that |
| 22:55:59 | treke|work | sliide : It's passable if you use X, but not quite as good as a palm |
| 23:17:38 | Zoiah | What's the file-structure of /etc/gtk-menu? |
| 23:18:14 | treke|work | sliide : qpe is functional enough for sharp to sell on one of their pdas |
| 23:46:35 | sliide | I'll have a look... |
| 23:48:10 | sliide | oh wow, that looks great |
| 23:48:25 | treke|work | it just cant run X apps |
| 23:49:29 | sliide | shame, but it looks grogeous |
| 23:49:38 | sliide | so thats what the zaurus is gonna run? |
| 23:49:51 | treke|work | yup |
| 23:50:14 | sliide | wow, I'm convinced |
| 23:50:22 | treke|work | I'm installing it right now |
| 23:50:31 | sliide | so does that run in a shiny manner on an ipaq, or is it quirky |
| 23:50:45 | sliide | ah ok... I'll have to come back and ask you how it goes :) |
| 23:51:26 | treke|work | sliide : I hear it works well. |
| 23:51:31 | sliide | cool |
| 23:51:42 | treke|work | If you want to play with an old version, there is an intel build that can run in X |
| 23:51:50 | sliide | D'you think its worth waiting for a zaurus? |
| 23:52:02 | sliide | ah that would be cool, but I've not really got a linux install ATM |
| 23:52:25 | treke|work | I dont know much about them. It might be more trouble free than an ipaq |
| 23:57:45 | sliide | yeah, I dunno if its even released yet |
| 23:57:59 | treke|work | You can only buy developer versions |
| 23:58:17 | sliide | ah ok |
| 23:58:25 | sliide | I do like the look of the ipaq |
| 23:58:43 | treke|work | I like the built in compact flash on the zaurus |
| 23:59:06 | sliide | yeah but it doesn't have the sleeve thing |
| 23:59:08 | sliide | jacket |
| 23:59:17 | mark_ | has anyone got the ARM cross compiler working? |
| 23:59:42 | treke|work | sliide : if it was thinner than the ipaq I'd jump for joy |