irclog2html for familiar on 2001.12.28

irclog2html for familiar on 2001.12.28 00:17:08 raduga hm 00:21:36 pattieja is away: home 00:55:57 Cjo hello. i'm a bit unclear about the purpose of the .ramfs.tar.gz in the root... my /mnt/ramfs gets mounted and it's blank... am I supposed to manually untar that file there? or is one of the boot scripts supposed to? 01:00:48 dc Cjo: =P 01:59:28 Morn is away: getting lunch 01:59:40 Morn is away: getting dinner 02:09:36 Morn is back (gone 00:09:56) 02:11:03 ron_ help 02:11:51 ron_ are there any known issues with Ipaq's not being detectable on USB under Linux? 03:22:18 raduga everyone here are ipaq people? 03:22:31 raduga anyone running armlinux on any other architectures? 03:22:40 MonMotha skiffs possibly 03:22:57 Morn is away: watching TV 03:23:31 raduga hrmf. 03:23:45 raduga still trying to get linux to boot on jornada 03:24:00 raduga so far, netbsd is the only thing working :) 03:25:45 MonMotha netbsd: boots on anything, runs on nothign :) 03:26:24 raduga hah 03:26:46 raduga actually, the port is oddly successful; 03:27:09 raduga least as far as pcmcia and console support. 03:28:05 raduga I'm building a nice little dev environment; I'll soon be able to write and build my own apps entirely native 03:28:21 raduga but, still the haunting thing stares you in the face: 03:28:39 raduga that its STILL only bsd :/ 03:29:00 raduga some devices (sound, irda, apm) not only aren't now supported, but never will be 03:29:19 raduga because the BSD maintainers have disavowed any interest in furthering them 03:29:53 raduga (still, vi in my pocket beats msword any day) 03:31:26 a7r hey.. 03:31:51 a7r raduga: there was an OBSD port for the CerfCube based off of NBSD's hpcarm port.. I thought it might be fun to hack on that.. 03:34:52 raduga what's the cerfcube? 03:35:48 raduga I WILL say, that a jornada 720 (whether hpcarm or linux) makes a nice little box to hack on. 'specially with the builtin kb 03:36:13 raduga its rather disappointing that there seems so little interest out there, in running anything but windows on it 03:36:36 MonMotha that's because HP isn't helping people :) 03:36:44 a7r raduga: it's an ARM reference machine in a nice aluminium case.. 03:36:55 raduga well. Compaq certainly is a *special* case :) 03:36:56 MonMotha compaq is dedicating a fair amount of resources to running linux on ipaqs 03:37:06 raduga mon: that I gather. 03:37:26 raduga enough that I almost got one, 03:37:40 raduga but in the end, lack of a kb was just too damning. 03:37:54 MonMotha if I had money I'd get a Jornada too 03:37:58 MonMotha but I don't have $$$:) 03:38:16 raduga monmotha: I only have a little $, so i went through eBay :) 03:38:34 raduga about as much as a retail ipaq would have cost. 04:22:41 beeblebrox is back (gone 12:29:38) 04:34:29 DragonEagle is back (gone 05:41:44) 04:57:27 NormanICE lo 04:58:35 NormanICE anyone know where to get a *cheap* serial cable for the 3600? 04:59:04 MonMotha youc an make one 04:59:07 beeblebrox NormanICE: i got it for free :) 04:59:35 NormanICE free? where do i sign up? 04:59:37 beeblebrox NormanICE: just call compaq, and say that you have a winnt machine, and usb doesnt work. sound angry. they will send you one! 04:59:54 NormanICE really? 04:59:58 beeblebrox NormanICE: you might have to call a couple of times before they agree to send it though 05:00:04 beeblebrox yea :)) 05:00:22 NormanICE i have the number memberized: 1800 ok compaq 05:00:27 beeblebrox NormanICE: or, check out ebay... you should get something for ~ $30 there 05:00:30 beeblebrox NormanICE: yea! 05:01:23 MonMotha I got my serial cable for $20 at best buy 05:01:44 MonMotha now I need to get USB networking working 05:01:55 beeblebrox MonMotha: maybe it is cheaper now.. when i checked up it costed >$40 05:01:58 NormanICE is it hard to make a cable? 05:02:16 beeblebrox NormanICE: not really.. you need the connector that goes into the ipaq though 05:02:37 MonMotha or you can mod your USB cradle 05:02:44 beeblebrox NormanICE: what ipaq do you have? do you have the usb cable, or the cradle? 05:02:48 MonMotha I'm thinking you could mod it to do either? 05:02:59 NormanICE MonMotha: tried that. i can barely see the connections let alone solder wires to them 05:03:12 NormanICE 3635 w/ usb cradle 05:03:20 beeblebrox NormanICE: try compaq.. they send it in a couple of days 05:03:31 NormanICE on hold as we speak 05:03:37 beeblebrox NormanICE: and dont even charge for the shipping :) 05:03:45 NormanICE what version of nt do i have? 05:04:15 beeblebrox NormanICE: nt, 3.5 05:04:18 beeblebrox i thing 05:04:21 beeblebrox i think 05:04:37 NormanICE is that what u said? 05:04:38 beeblebrox or say you have win 95, and no usb port on your computer 05:04:45 NormanICE oooh. i like that one 05:04:49 NormanICE we'll try that first 05:04:54 beeblebrox ;) 05:05:31 MonMotha or Win95 original, not OSR2 05:05:47 MonMotha gosh, I wonder if I could convince them to send me a dual sleeve for free :) 05:06:42 beeblebrox lol 05:06:46 NormanICE i didn't even argue 05:12:12 NormanICE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 05:12:26 NormanICE i said: i have win 95 and the usb isn't working 05:12:37 NormanICE he said: that's because you need a serial cable 05:12:45 NormanICE i said: oh really? 05:12:50 NormanICE he said: i'll send you one. 05:13:09 beeblebrox cool :)) 05:13:14 NormanICE thanks! 05:13:22 beeblebrox np 05:13:45 beeblebrox lol, this is cool.... which other company would do this for you?! 05:14:33 NormanICE i'm surprised compaq did. one time for a client, they sent out a tech to replace 3 components (mb cpu and power supply), but wouldn't send a new pc 05:14:58 NormanICE are you one hoopy food? 05:15:04 NormanICE s/food/frood/ 05:30:37 DragonEagle is away: just away 06:59:05 DragonEagle is back (gone 01:28:26) 08:09:38 DragonEagle is away: night all 08:14:40 Cord Goooood Moooorrrrrrrrrnnnninnnng :-) *ducks&covers* 08:26:32 MonMotha you guys are good at installign windows fonts into X, right? :) 12:08:34 trinix hello 12:08:49 mark_ heya 12:09:01 trinix hello mark 12:09:58 trinix have some probs with my familiar linux on ipaq :( 12:11:24 trinix did you know, where i can get help ? 12:12:37 trinix no ?! 12:13:09 mark_ try #handhelds.org, or just ask ur q in here 12:14:02 trinix simple question, can i reinstall the linux on my ipaq ? maybe from bootldr ? (sorry for my bad english) 12:14:55 mark_ yeh 12:14:57 mark_ you can 12:14:59 mark_ just do the samet hing again 12:15:27 trinix where i had to begin ? at "load root" ? 12:16:21 mark_ yep 12:27:14 trinix mark: ...or where can i find a documentation for bootldr on internet ? 12:32:23 trinix argh ! 12:57:40 Morn is back (gone 09:34:44) 12:57:44 Morn is away: breakfast 12:58:55 rm-rf hello 13:07:14 Morn is back (gone 00:09:29) 15:14:39 pattieja is away: I'm busy 15:14:59 pattieja is back (gone 00:00:02) 15:21:58 Cord 2sec busy? 16:03:13 beeblebrox is away: I'll be back! 18:13:13 seyong I need a help to install ethernet card (Xircom). However, when I look at the /etc directory, there is no rc.local file. anyone can help me how to install ethernet card and initialize the ip connection from ipaq? 18:29:52 seyong Kero: can you help me how to install ethernet card into ipaq that I installed Linux? 18:30:39 Kero uses neither ethernet nor pcmcia... 18:30:57 seyong ok. thanks 20:10:50 atik hello 20:12:07 Kero hi 20:18:06 atik nothin speak 20:28:36 atik blabla 20:28:38 atik bla 20:29:39 Zoiah blablabla 20:30:06 atik ;-)) 20:40:32 dieman where can I find sources for the kernel used in familiar? 20:43:40 cvs is Concurrent Versions System 20:43:40 Disconnect ibot: cvs 20:43:47 Disconnect kicks ibot 20:43:48 cvs is Concurrent Versions System 20:43:48 Disconnect ibot: cvs 20:44:07 cvsweb is http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ 20:44:07 Disconnect ibot: cvsweb 20:45:10 dieman Disconnect - is it easy enough to find that kernel sources on the skiffcluster somewhere if i need to use the headers for a compile? 20:45:27 dieman so i dont have to blow some hd space on it 20:45:38 Disconnect dieman: probably not. at least, I never had any luck. 20:54:30 Pollita werd scott 20:59:00 dieman hey Pollita 21:04:45 Zoiah dieman: I love your hostname. :D 21:06:13 dieman Zoiah - thanks. 21:06:18 Zoiah :D 21:07:13 dieman i cant believe noones taken the time to make a wireless scanning app on familiar. 21:07:15 dieman or is there one. 21:07:28 dieman im thinking of taking gtkskan and just modifying its interface 21:32:17 Pollita need to mod airsnort too :) 22:03:12 Zoiah Which WM is bbrox using on http://www.bbrox.org/iPAQ/? 22:03:14 Zoiah It's pretty. ;) 22:10:44 Morn is away: making dinner 22:37:49 sjohnson Zoiah: That is Blackbox. 22:38:19 sjohnson Zoiah: It was the wm in Familiar before ion. Generated by irclog2html.pl by Jeff Waugh - find it at freshmeat.net! Modified by Tim Riker to work with infobot logs, split per channel and by date, etc.

`00:17:08`	`raduga`	`hm`
`00:21:36`	`pattieja`	`is away: home`
`00:55:57`	`Cjo`	`hello. i'm a bit unclear about the purpose of the .ramfs.tar.gz in the root... my /mnt/ramfs gets mounted and it's blank... am I supposed to manually untar that file there? or is one of the boot scripts supposed to?`
`01:00:48`	`dc`	`Cjo: =P`
`01:59:28`	`Morn`	`is away: getting lunch`
`01:59:40`	`Morn`	`is away: getting dinner`
`02:09:36`	`Morn`	`is back (gone 00:09:56)`
`02:11:03`	`ron_`	`help`
`02:11:51`	`ron_`	`are there any known issues with Ipaq's not being detectable on USB under Linux?`
`03:22:18`	`raduga`	`everyone here are ipaq people?`
`03:22:31`	`raduga`	`anyone running armlinux on any other architectures?`
`03:22:40`	`MonMotha`	`skiffs possibly`
`03:22:57`	`Morn`	`is away: watching TV`
`03:23:31`	`raduga`	`hrmf.`
`03:23:45`	`raduga`	`still trying to get linux to boot on jornada`
`03:24:00`	`raduga`	`so far, netbsd is the only thing working :)`
`03:25:45`	`MonMotha`	`netbsd: boots on anything, runs on nothign :)`
`03:26:24`	`raduga`	`hah`
`03:26:46`	`raduga`	`actually, the port is oddly successful;`
`03:27:09`	`raduga`	`least as far as pcmcia and console support.`
`03:28:05`	`raduga`	`I'm building a nice little dev environment; I'll soon be able to write and build my own apps entirely native`
`03:28:21`	`raduga`	`but, still the haunting thing stares you in the face:`
`03:28:39`	`raduga`	`that its STILL only bsd :/`
`03:29:00`	`raduga`	`some devices (sound, irda, apm) not only aren't now supported, but never will be`
`03:29:19`	`raduga`	`because the BSD maintainers have disavowed any interest in furthering them`
`03:29:53`	`raduga`	`(still, vi in my pocket beats msword any day)`
`03:31:26`	`a7r`	`hey..`
`03:31:51`	`a7r`	`raduga: there was an OBSD port for the CerfCube based off of NBSD's hpcarm port.. I thought it might be fun to hack on that..`
`03:34:52`	`raduga`	`what's the cerfcube?`
`03:35:48`	`raduga`	`I WILL say, that a jornada 720 (whether hpcarm or linux) makes a nice little box to hack on. 'specially with the builtin kb`
`03:36:13`	`raduga`	`its rather disappointing that there seems so little interest out there, in running anything but windows on it`
`03:36:36`	`MonMotha`	`that's because HP isn't helping people :)`
`03:36:44`	`a7r`	`raduga: it's an ARM reference machine in a nice aluminium case..`
`03:36:55`	`raduga`	`well. Compaq certainly is a special case :)`
`03:36:56`	`MonMotha`	`compaq is dedicating a fair amount of resources to running linux on ipaqs`
`03:37:06`	`raduga`	`mon: that I gather.`
`03:37:26`	`raduga`	`enough that I almost got one,`
`03:37:40`	`raduga`	`but in the end, lack of a kb was just too damning.`
`03:37:54`	`MonMotha`	`if I had money I'd get a Jornada too`
`03:37:58`	`MonMotha`	`but I don't have $$$:)`
`03:38:16`	`raduga`	`monmotha: I only have a little $, so i went through eBay :)`
`03:38:34`	`raduga`	`about as much as a retail ipaq would have cost.`
`04:22:41`	`beeblebrox`	`is back (gone 12:29:38)`
`04:34:29`	`DragonEagle`	`is back (gone 05:41:44)`
`04:57:27`	`NormanICE`	`lo`
`04:58:35`	`NormanICE`	`anyone know where to get a cheap serial cable for the 3600?`
`04:59:04`	`MonMotha`	`youc an make one`
`04:59:07`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: i got it for free :)`
`04:59:35`	`NormanICE`	`free? where do i sign up?`
`04:59:37`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: just call compaq, and say that you have a winnt machine, and usb doesnt work. sound angry. they will send you one!`
`04:59:54`	`NormanICE`	`really?`
`04:59:58`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: you might have to call a couple of times before they agree to send it though`
`05:00:04`	`beeblebrox`	`yea :))`
`05:00:22`	`NormanICE`	`i have the number memberized: 1800 ok compaq`
`05:00:27`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: or, check out ebay... you should get something for ~ $30 there`
`05:00:30`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: yea!`
`05:01:23`	`MonMotha`	`I got my serial cable for $20 at best buy`
`05:01:44`	`MonMotha`	`now I need to get USB networking working`
`05:01:55`	`beeblebrox`	`MonMotha: maybe it is cheaper now.. when i checked up it costed >$40`
`05:01:58`	`NormanICE`	`is it hard to make a cable?`
`05:02:16`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: not really.. you need the connector that goes into the ipaq though`
`05:02:37`	`MonMotha`	`or you can mod your USB cradle`
`05:02:44`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: what ipaq do you have? do you have the usb cable, or the cradle?`
`05:02:48`	`MonMotha`	`I'm thinking you could mod it to do either?`
`05:02:59`	`NormanICE`	`MonMotha: tried that. i can barely see the connections let alone solder wires to them`
`05:03:12`	`NormanICE`	`3635 w/ usb cradle`
`05:03:20`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: try compaq.. they send it in a couple of days`
`05:03:31`	`NormanICE`	`on hold as we speak`
`05:03:37`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: and dont even charge for the shipping :)`
`05:03:45`	`NormanICE`	`what version of nt do i have?`
`05:04:15`	`beeblebrox`	`NormanICE: nt, 3.5`
`05:04:18`	`beeblebrox`	`i thing`
`05:04:21`	`beeblebrox`	`i think`
`05:04:37`	`NormanICE`	`is that what u said?`
`05:04:38`	`beeblebrox`	`or say you have win 95, and no usb port on your computer`
`05:04:45`	`NormanICE`	`oooh. i like that one`
`05:04:49`	`NormanICE`	`we'll try that first`
`05:04:54`	`beeblebrox`	`;)`
`05:05:31`	`MonMotha`	`or Win95 original, not OSR2`
`05:05:47`	`MonMotha`	`gosh, I wonder if I could convince them to send me a dual sleeve for free :)`
`05:06:42`	`beeblebrox`	`lol`
`05:06:46`	`NormanICE`	`i didn't even argue`
`05:12:12`	`NormanICE`	`HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA`
`05:12:26`	`NormanICE`	`i said: i have win 95 and the usb isn't working`
`05:12:37`	`NormanICE`	`he said: that's because you need a serial cable`
`05:12:45`	`NormanICE`	`i said: oh really?`
`05:12:50`	`NormanICE`	`he said: i'll send you one.`
`05:13:09`	`beeblebrox`	`cool :))`
`05:13:14`	`NormanICE`	`thanks!`
`05:13:22`	`beeblebrox`	`np`
`05:13:45`	`beeblebrox`	`lol, this is cool.... which other company would do this for you?!`
`05:14:33`	`NormanICE`	`i'm surprised compaq did. one time for a client, they sent out a tech to replace 3 components (mb cpu and power supply), but wouldn't send a new pc`
`05:14:58`	`NormanICE`	`are you one hoopy food?`
`05:15:04`	`NormanICE`	`s/food/frood/`
`05:30:37`	`DragonEagle`	`is away: just away`
`06:59:05`	`DragonEagle`	`is back (gone 01:28:26)`
`08:09:38`	`DragonEagle`	`is away: night all`
`08:14:40`	`Cord`	`Goooood Moooorrrrrrrrrnnnninnnng :-) ducks&covers`
`08:26:32`	`MonMotha`	`you guys are good at installign windows fonts into X, right? :)`
`12:08:34`	`trinix`	`hello`
`12:08:49`	`mark_`	`heya`
`12:09:01`	`trinix`	`hello mark`
`12:09:58`	`trinix`	`have some probs with my familiar linux on ipaq :(`
`12:11:24`	`trinix`	`did you know, where i can get help ?`
`12:12:37`	`trinix`	`no ?!`
`12:13:09`	`mark_`	`try #handhelds.org, or just ask ur q in here`
`12:14:02`	`trinix`	`simple question, can i reinstall the linux on my ipaq ? maybe from bootldr ? (sorry for my bad english)`
`12:14:55`	`mark_`	`yeh`
`12:14:57`	`mark_`	`you can`
`12:14:59`	`mark_`	`just do the samet hing again`
`12:15:27`	`trinix`	`where i had to begin ? at "load root" ?`
`12:16:21`	`mark_`	`yep`
`12:27:14`	`trinix`	`mark: ...or where can i find a documentation for bootldr on internet ?`
`12:32:23`	`trinix`	`argh !`
`12:57:40`	`Morn`	`is back (gone 09:34:44)`
`12:57:44`	`Morn`	`is away: breakfast`
`12:58:55`	`rm-rf`	`hello`
`13:07:14`	`Morn`	`is back (gone 00:09:29)`
`15:14:39`	`pattieja`	`is away: I'm busy`
`15:14:59`	`pattieja`	`is back (gone 00:00:02)`
`15:21:58`	`Cord`	`2sec busy?`
`16:03:13`	`beeblebrox`	`is away: I'll be back!`
`18:13:13`	`seyong`	`I need a help to install ethernet card (Xircom). However, when I look at the /etc directory, there is no rc.local file. anyone can help me how to install ethernet card and initialize the ip connection from ipaq?`
`18:29:52`	`seyong`	`Kero: can you help me how to install ethernet card into ipaq that I installed Linux?`
`18:30:39`	`Kero`	`uses neither ethernet nor pcmcia...`
`18:30:57`	`seyong`	`ok. thanks`
`20:10:50`	`atik`	`hello`
`20:12:07`	`Kero`	`hi`
`20:18:06`	`atik`	`nothin speak`
`20:28:36`	`atik`	`blabla`
`20:28:38`	`atik`	`bla`
`20:29:39`	`Zoiah`	`blablabla`
`20:30:06`	`atik`	`;-))`
`20:40:32`	`dieman`	`where can I find sources for the kernel used in familiar?`
`20:43:40`		`cvs is Concurrent Versions System`
`20:43:40`	`Disconnect`	`ibot: cvs`
`20:43:47`	`Disconnect`	`kicks ibot`
`20:43:48`		`cvs is Concurrent Versions System`
`20:43:48`	`Disconnect`	`ibot: cvs`
`20:44:07`		`cvsweb is http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/`
`20:44:07`	`Disconnect`	`ibot: cvsweb`
`20:45:10`	`dieman`	`Disconnect - is it easy enough to find that kernel sources on the skiffcluster somewhere if i need to use the headers for a compile?`
`20:45:27`	`dieman`	`so i dont have to blow some hd space on it`
`20:45:38`	`Disconnect`	`dieman: probably not. at least, I never had any luck.`
`20:54:30`	`Pollita`	`werd scott`
`20:59:00`	`dieman`	`hey Pollita`
`21:04:45`	`Zoiah`	`dieman: I love your hostname. :D`
`21:06:13`	`dieman`	`Zoiah - thanks.`
`21:06:18`	`Zoiah`	`:D`
`21:07:13`	`dieman`	`i cant believe noones taken the time to make a wireless scanning app on familiar.`
`21:07:15`	`dieman`	`or is there one.`
`21:07:28`	`dieman`	`im thinking of taking gtkskan and just modifying its interface`
`21:32:17`	`Pollita`	`need to mod airsnort too :)`
`22:03:12`	`Zoiah`	`Which WM is bbrox using on http://www.bbrox.org/iPAQ/?`
`22:03:14`	`Zoiah`	`It's pretty. ;)`
`22:10:44`	`Morn`	`is away: making dinner`
`22:37:49`	`sjohnson`	`Zoiah: That is Blackbox.`
`22:38:19`	`sjohnson`	`Zoiah: It was the wm in Familiar before ion.`