| 04:52:20 | Morn | is away: crashing, dreaming in code |
| 05:05:42 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 13:01:10) |
| 07:45:12 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 07:45:25 | DragonEagle | is away: good night all |
| 08:05:47 | beeblebrox | is back (gone 00:16:14) |
| 09:45:55 | JC0 | Hello hello |
| 09:47:43 | JC0 | i've been trying desparately to get familiar's tinyx to play nicely w/ my assabet and i still can't get it to read the ucb1x00-ts or the keyboard. |
| 09:49:10 | JC0 | oh wait... the keyboard works :) |
| 09:49:41 | JC0 | well then if anyone here has any success stories or pointers to get the assabet touchscreen working i'd appreciate it |
| 12:54:38 | idle | anyone bought a new display yet? whacked mine. |
| 13:13:21 | Morn | is back (gone 08:21:01) |
| 14:31:12 | Morn | is away: hacking rxtx... |
| 14:59:34 | pattieja | Does anyone know if the epic100.o module is included with any prebuilt ipkg's for the iPAQ? I have a CardBus 10/100 NIC that I'm trying to use with the iPAQ. |
| 15:55:57 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 17:44:06 | CmdrChalupa | familiar uses microwindows, right...if I recall correctly, which I probably don't |
| 18:21:53 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 10:36:25) |
| 18:22:42 | Kero | CmdrChalupa: familiar uses X |
| 18:27:31 | CmdrChalupa | ah |
| 18:28:12 | CmdrChalupa | how hard would it be to run X and, say, microwindows or QPE or whatever pocketlinux uses switchably? |
| 18:28:51 | DragonEagle | is away: just peaking in :) |
| 18:30:30 | Kero | CmdrChalupa: if you put entries in the menus of the various environments to kill the current one and start another... |
| 18:31:18 | Kero | ...then you might have some packages left that can only use one, or two packages that interfere... |
| 18:31:33 | Kero | ...but if you're careful, it should not really be a problem. |
| 20:46:22 | Morn | is back (gone 06:15:10) |
| 21:03:44 | aum` | hi - anyone there using familiar linux on ipaq? |
| 21:05:37 | banshee | yea...... |
| 21:05:44 | treke|work | nope. we all run windows ce |
| 21:06:02 | aum` | i'm thinking of converting my ipaq 3730 from pocketpc2002 to linux |
| 21:06:38 | aum` | but i'm hopelessly new to the process, although I've got some familiarity with debian and mandrake |
| 21:07:02 | aum` | the idea of open-source pim software is very mouth-watering |
| 21:07:03 | banshee | well.. the mandrake won't help much.... familiar is pretty based on debian |
| 21:07:31 | aum` | well, i've used debian potato on and off |
| 21:07:56 | aum` | first dumb question - do i need a serial cable, or can i do it with a usb cable? |
| 21:08:16 | treke|work | for now I think you still need the serial cable |
| 21:08:23 | aum` | k |
| 21:08:34 | banshee | to install linux (the rootfs) you need a serial cable... for anything else... like.. bootldr.. you can get away w/ the usb for now |
| 21:09:30 | aum` | and, can i do the whole thing with my ipaq connected to a linux box, or do i need to do some stuff with ipaq connected to 'doze box? |
| 21:10:15 | banshee | alot easier just to do it in hyperterm in win32.. plus alot less error prone |
| 21:10:20 | banshee | but can be done in minicom |
| 21:10:29 | aum` | k |
| 21:10:34 | banshee | just a few timinig things w/ the xmodem upload of the bootldr and rootfs |
| 21:11:05 | aum` | and, can i get desktop versions of the familiar linux apps so i can try them out on desktop linux? |
| 21:11:19 | banshee | well... could just run them remotely |
| 21:11:47 | aum` | it's just that i'd like to play with the pim software on the desktop before i do the surgery on my ipaq |
| 21:12:00 | banshee | setup xauth and ssh -X into your ipaq and if you run a gui app, it'll pop up on your desktop if your running X and set it up to allow connections from the ipaq |
| 21:12:05 | banshee | hmm |
| 21:12:37 | aum` | i'm pretty nervous about trashing my ipaq - my linux knowledge doesn't run too deep - i need a kind of 'idiots guide' or easy howto |
| 21:12:42 | banshee | alot of the pim stuff i've seen sofar cept for a few things are written in python... *might be able to get them to run on your desktop w/ a native interpretor |
| 21:13:07 | aum` | so familiar features a python interp then? |
| 21:13:27 | banshee | heh.. alot of the apps for it won't run right or at all w/o it |
| 21:14:03 | aum` | so i can expect to run into trouble with some of the familiar apps? |
| 21:14:35 | treke|work | Same as any apps |
| 21:14:44 | treke|work | Theres nothing special about the ones on familiar |
| 21:14:55 | banshee | basically yea... just try them.. see if they work.. then you got your answer |
| 21:16:52 | banshee | just make sure you verfiy what they are before you run them, like.. file programname |
| 21:29:16 | aum` | are there any easy guides for installing familiar? |
| 21:29:31 | treke|work | Theres just one install guide I know of |
| 21:29:37 | treke|work | just follow it word for word |
| 21:29:38 | banshee | the basic install.html that's linked to from familiar.handhelds.org basically |
| 21:31:05 | aum` | will that guide work for a 3730? |
| 21:31:11 | treke|work | yes |
| 21:31:27 | aum` | kewl |
| 21:31:43 | aum` | and, do you know any webpage with a list of apps for familiar? |
| 21:32:23 | treke|work | aum` : Pretty much anything will work on it. |
| 21:32:45 | aum` | what windowing system does familiar use? |
| 21:33:04 | aum` | blackbox? fltk? qt? |
| 21:33:05 | banshee | basically.. anything on familiar.handhelds.org .. most of the stuff will work.. just not well from the debian_arm distrib.. and anything you can beg, borrow, scrape, or code has a good chance |
| 21:33:25 | treke|work | aum` : yes |
| 21:33:58 | aum` | i'm really fuXX0R3d off with pocketpc - damned closed source apps |
| 21:34:26 | aum` | the pocket pc pim apps are kinda ok - but all of them have some totally painful shortcomings |
| 21:37:36 | treke|work | well the Linux ones all have their rather painful shortcomings also |
| 21:37:52 | aum` | but at least they're open source so i can h4x0r them to my needs |
| 21:38:52 | aum` | for fuck's sake, the powers that be in microsoft must think that pc users have an average iq of 85 |
| 21:39:14 | jhuebel | Hiya all... |
| 21:39:43 | jhuebel | I'm considering installing Qtopia on my iPAQ, but I have one question. |
| 21:39:49 | jhuebel | Anybody available to help? |
| 21:39:55 | banshee | aum`: actually... prob closer to single digit |
| 21:40:20 | jhuebel | I need help with the Familiar portion of the install. |
| 21:41:21 | jhuebel | Does anybody know if I can download ipkgs through an HTTP proxy? |
| 21:41:57 | banshee | should be able to... all it does is wget http://blahblahblahserver/path/ |
| 21:42:59 | jhuebel | Isn't there a file somewhere I can add http_proxy= or ftp_proxy= like you would with lynx? |
| 21:43:56 | jhuebel | That way my iPAQ always uses that proxy, since I'm downloading the ipkgs with a Socket LPE NIC. |
| 21:44:03 | banshee | wget --help | less and look for http options |
| 21:44:10 | jhuebel | Thanks. |
| 21:44:22 | banshee | might have to edit your ipkg setup for it to work though |
| 21:44:31 | jhuebel | I'll look on my desktop Linux box. I would imagine the options are the same. |
| 21:44:48 | banshee | could just dump everything to your desktop comp and point ipkg to that and avoid the proxy |
| 21:45:14 | jhuebel | That's an idea... But I'm a glutton for punishment. ;-) |
| 21:45:24 | banshee | i'm a glutton for wget -m |
| 21:45:44 | jhuebel | :-) |
| 21:45:49 | banshee | even on 56k |
| 21:45:52 | aum` | dumb question n: can ipaq be set up for dual-boot (pocketpc and linux)? |
| 21:46:29 | banshee | aum`: not certain on familiar, but heard you can set it up w/ intimate if you had it on like a microdrive |
| 21:46:40 | jhuebel | I think somebody was working on getting Debian/ARM to multiboot from a Microdrive, leaving WinCE intact in ROM. |
| 21:46:48 | jhuebel | But I don't know how far that got. |
| 21:46:53 | aum` | thx |
| 21:46:59 | banshee | yea, i didn't hear anything about it in bout 2 or 3 months |
| 21:47:05 | aum` | microdrives are pricey eh? |
| 21:47:14 | banshee | i paid 195 for my 2gb pcmcia |
| 21:47:20 | jhuebel | $300 or so for the 1GB, I think. |
| 21:47:21 | banshee | but.. i like my space... its just me |
| 21:47:26 | banshee | 195$US |
| 21:47:39 | aum` | ouch - $500 NZ |
| 21:47:51 | jhuebel | $195 for a 2GB? That's not a Microdrive though. What brand? |
| 21:47:55 | jhuebel | Toshiba? |
| 21:48:01 | banshee | kingston, pcmcia |
| 21:48:08 | jhuebel | Ah, sweet. |
| 21:48:21 | jhuebel | Low power? Or is it a hog (relatively speaking)? |
| 21:48:48 | banshee | ? |
| 21:48:57 | banshee | haven't had it out of the cradle for more than bou5 mins in the last month |
| 21:48:59 | banshee | bout 5 mins |
| 21:49:39 | jhuebel | Heh... I can't stay that close to my cradle. I use my iPAQ for Cisco configuration, etc. So I have to be pretty mobile. |
| 21:49:44 | banshee | heh |
| 21:50:07 | banshee | i'm still breaking it in though, and verifying survivablity if i'm away from a serial cradle |
| 21:50:26 | banshee | just got it a month ago, threw familiar on it bout 3 weeks ago, sofar... think i have everything tight... just double checking |
| 21:50:45 | banshee | have a nice bout 8 hours for final shakedown, need it for class tommorow |
| 21:50:50 | jhuebel | I've had my iPAQ 3670 since April of last year. |
| 21:50:54 | jhuebel | It's held up really well. |
| 21:51:18 | banshee | i just got this 3765 w/ the severance pay from my last job |
| 21:51:41 | jhuebel | Kewl (and not so kewl about the loss of job)... |
| 21:51:46 | jhuebel | Mine was a bonus last year. |
| 21:51:52 | jhuebel | Good bosses. |
| 21:51:57 | banshee | yet another megalomaniacic company i no longer work for |
| 21:52:53 | banshee | heh, my bosses at that job were 3 time zones away |
| 22:01:02 | jhuebel | The company I currently work for is jointly owned by two bosses. Local consulting company. Pays well and they like my work. |
| 22:01:05 | jhuebel | :-) |
| 22:01:09 | jhuebel | So I can't complain. |
| 22:01:31 | jhuebel | What area do you specialize in? |
| 22:03:02 | banshee | was phone scum tech support for sbc/is , still in college though |
| 22:06:17 | jhuebel | Arrgggg... I'm sorry. :-) Just remember that it's not YOU we are usually mad at. :-) |
| 22:06:37 | jhuebel | Thanks for the help. Good luck with school and your next job... :-) |
| 22:18:01 | Artax | hi every1 |
| 22:18:49 | Artax | which dist is better: intimate or familiar |
| 23:59:11 | Artax | can anyone please tell me whether there is touchscreen support for the Ipaq 3850 in Familiar Linux |