| 01:41:02 | Zaerc | am i still connected? |
| 07:48:08 | mutex | hey, how can i get familiar to use bash by default on login instead of sh ? |
| 07:48:52 | a7r | mutex: /etc/passwd <- either modify the user's shell, or change /bin/sh to point to /bin/bash.. I'd suggest the former. |
| 07:51:26 | mutex | a7r: thanks |
| 09:26:25 | sachac | I'm upgrading to 0.5.1 and I've gotten to the bootloader part. I can't help it. I think it looks cute. <laugh> |
| 09:27:09 | sachac | I can't wait for the bootstrap image to finish downloading to my hard disk so that I can reflash it already. =) Any gotchas I should watch out for? |
| 09:27:34 | a7r | some parts (like ntpdate and ppp) are missing. |
| 09:28:55 | sachac | Hmmmmm, I'll just upload those via minicom then. I haven't actually used ntpdate yet, since I'm not sure what server the other guys here prefer, but I'll remember to do the postinst as well. =) |
| 09:50:43 | | rumour has it lorien feed is ftp://lothlorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/ |
| 09:50:43 | sachac | ibot: lorien feed |
| 09:51:02 | | storm is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Storm |
| 09:51:02 | mpakula | ibot storm |
| 10:38:37 | sachac | I'm having a (probably silly) problem connecting to my iPAQ with PPP - receive serial link is not 8-bit clean, all bit 7s are set to 0. Am searching for more info. |
| 10:39:46 | sachac | I don't get the reassuring ppp traffic when logging in via minicom. |
| 10:40:26 | sachac | And yes, it's pointing to the right pppd. |
| 11:59:53 | MZipSolaar | hello ? |
| 12:03:53 | MZipSolaar | hello ??? |
| 12:05:01 | mpakula | yes ?? |
| 12:06:16 | MZipSolaar | I have a question about reinstalling linux on my ipaq |
| 12:06:35 | mpakula | ok just ask the qestion |
| 12:06:58 | MZipSolaar | is it enough to reinstall the task-bootstrap.jffs2 from the serial console ? |
| 12:07:22 | MZipSolaar | I have familiar v0.5.1pre2 installed atm |
| 12:07:46 | alexksso | hi |
| 12:07:52 | mpakula | ls |
| 12:07:53 | beeblebrox | if you want a fresh install? yes |
| 12:07:55 | mpakula | and : |
| 12:07:58 | alexksso | is there a calendar for familiar ? |
| 12:08:21 | mpakula | check storm |
| 12:08:34 | mpakula | this is so much better |
| 12:09:30 | MZipSolaar | I want to get rid of all those packages which were installed by ipkg task-complete, so I think it's the best way to do a fresh install |
| 12:10:45 | mpakula | that is the fastest one |
| 12:11:18 | MZipSolaar | :) |
| 12:13:16 | MZipSolaar | btw, I'm new to linux (on the ipaq). how do I configure X to look as cool as on the screenshots at familiar.handhelds.org ? |
| 12:14:20 | MZipSolaar | because after a fresh install the ion windowmanager is set as default |
| 12:14:46 | alexksso | any1 know of a calendar for familiar ? |
| 12:14:52 | MZipSolaar | I managed to get blackbox running, but it didn't look as good as on the screenshots |
| 12:18:23 | mpakula | blackbox is cool but you need some cool stuff to it menue-tiny ( besides you need to do upgrade-menus from time to time) |
| 12:19:25 | mpakula | qeg. qiv for walpapers etc.. |
| 12:22:50 | MZipSolaar | what do u think about pocketlinux ? |
| 12:24:00 | alexksso | MZipSolaar: pocketlinux sux ..... |
| 12:24:15 | alexksso | it's damn slow .... and looks way too heavy |
| 12:26:04 | MZipSolaar | and linu@ ? |
| 12:27:08 | MZipSolaar | 'll have a cigarette while task-bootstrap.jffs2 is uploading |
| 12:28:48 | alexksso | wooow is there any 1 here knowing of a calendar and a todo on familiar and where can i find the packages ? |
| 12:31:14 | sachac | alexksso: Check out storm? |
| 12:31:31 | | storm is, like, at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Storm |
| 12:31:31 | sachac | ibot: storm |
| 12:32:34 | alexksso | thanx :)) |
| 12:33:04 | MZipSolaar | is back (smoking) |
| 12:34:18 | alexksso | there is no V0.5 package ? |
| 12:34:26 | alexksso | how's that ? |
| 12:35:14 | sachac | alexksso: Why not the .4? |
| 12:36:08 | alexksso | that's what i was gonna do :) |
| 12:37:10 | alexksso | hummm .. there is no strom*.ipk in 0.4 .... |
| 12:37:16 | alexksso | storm*.ipk |
| 12:38:20 | MZipSolaar | successfully downgraded to v0.5 :) |
| 12:38:48 | Morn | is away: working... |
| 12:42:49 | sachac | Silly me, forgot to twiddle the /proc ip_forward entry. |
| 13:09:10 | alexksso | hey is o.5.1-pre2 stable ? |
| 13:19:55 | alexksso | how do you tell familiar the timezone you're in ? |
| 13:20:24 | alexksso | so that he understands i'm in GMT+1 :) |
| 13:33:52 | renoken | hi all |
| 13:34:42 | renoken | just flashed my root with familiar v0.5, entered boot and nothing happened, what could be wrong? |
| 13:35:02 | sachac | renoken: By "nothing happened", you mean... |
| 13:35:06 | renoken | bootldr version is 2.17.12 |
| 13:35:18 | sachac | renoken: familiar bootstrap doesn't install X, incidentally. Log in through minicom. =) |
| 13:35:26 | sachac | renoken: Do you get to the login: prompt? |
| 13:35:31 | renoken | sachac: no |
| 13:35:44 | sachac | renoken: Right after you load root, what does it say? |
| 13:36:24 | renoken | sachac: my hyperterminal said: booting wince... Disabling LCD controller AA174 01FEE5B0 |
| 13:36:30 | renoken | and then nothing anymore |
| 13:37:47 | renoken | sachac: after I loaded the root he said: verifying ... formatting ... done. |
| 13:38:59 | sachac | renoken: you load rooted the bootstrap image? |
| 13:39:20 | sachac | renoken: Why did it say something about wince? <curious> |
| 13:39:32 | sachac | renoken: Hmmm... followed the install instructions step by step? |
| 13:39:32 | renoken | but isn't it strange he tells me after I entered boot that he's booting wince? |
| 13:39:47 | renoken | sachac: yes, i did |
| 13:40:12 | sachac | renoken: partition reset and all? |
| 13:40:14 | renoken | I loading now again the bootstrap |
| 13:40:34 | beeblebrox | renoken: what image are you using? |
| 13:40:58 | renoken | yes partition reset, tells me argv[1]=reset defining partition: bootldr defining partition: root |
| 13:41:35 | renoken | beeblebrox: I'm using task-bootstrap.jffs2 from familiar, version 0.5 |
| 13:41:39 | sachac | Could you try reloading the root partition? |
| 13:42:10 | renoken | sachac: I'm doing that right now, but uploading a file of 5632K takes a while ;-) |
| 13:42:19 | sachac | renoken: You don't say. =) |
| 13:42:25 | renoken | hehe |
| 13:44:05 | renoken | 3960K done |
| 13:45:27 | renoken | 6 minutes remaining.... still waiting |
| 13:47:18 | renoken | sachac: but what about the kernel? |
| 13:48:11 | sachac | renoken: 0.5 doesn't have a separate kernel partition any more, I think. =) |
| 13:48:21 | renoken | I see |
| 13:49:09 | renoken | Maybe that was the reason? I started with the installation of v0.4, so installed the kernel |
| 13:49:35 | renoken | than just before I had to install the root of v0.4 I switched to the bootstrap of v0.5 |
| 13:50:16 | sachac | renoken: Hmm, no. Doesn't work that way. Follow the instructions on familiar.handhelds.org? =) |
| 13:50:40 | renoken | 30 seconds remaining |
| 13:51:49 | renoken | now he's erasing sectors |
| 13:52:11 | renoken | writing flash |
| 13:52:38 | renoken | verifying ... formatting ... done. |
| 13:52:45 | renoken | now boot I guess? |
| 13:53:02 | sachac | Right! =) |
| 13:53:24 | renoken | It worked!!!! |
| 13:54:39 | renoken | Thanks all! |
| 13:56:13 | miph | hi all. |
| 13:56:48 | miph | just upgraded familiar from the unstable feed... is scream working for someone? |
| 14:07:34 | sachac | Ummm, how do I get my CF storage card up and running? <sheepish grin> |
| 14:07:55 | beeblebrox | sachac: just mount it :) |
| 14:08:27 | sachac | beeblebrox: Yup. What device? |
| 14:08:30 | beeblebrox | sachac: mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda |
| 14:08:39 | sachac | Alright, thanks, hda1... |
| 14:09:09 | sachac | By the way, I'm using ext2 because I've got some symbolic links. Is there a better way of handling that? |
| 14:09:48 | beeblebrox | sachac: ext2 is just fine |
| 14:12:40 | sachac | Hmmm... there are ext3 modules. How do I convert to ext3, or is that a bad idea? <muses> |
| 14:13:25 | sachac | I always forget to unmount the card, and then it complains about the fsck... |
| 14:16:45 | beeblebrox | sachac: dont know much about ext3/reiserfs, but i heard that they take up lots of space for their journaling etc |
| 14:21:28 | | well, toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 14:21:28 | sachac | ibot: toolchain |
| 14:41:47 | Zaerc | is there more documentation about the bootldr, apart from the html's in viewcvs? |
| 14:42:23 | Zaerc | I'd like to use an initial ramdisk, but I just can't figgure out where to put it |
| 14:42:43 | bipolar | is back (gone 44:04:06) |
| 15:52:31 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 16:26:25 | renoken | hi all |
| 16:26:43 | renoken | I can't ping any adress from my iPaq |
| 18:36:56 | efhilton | is there a list somewhere of applications that run on Familiar? (Interested in PIM type apps) |
| 18:37:09 | efhilton | (and syncing with Linux) |
| 18:38:49 | Kero | You may look at the WiKi (though it is outdated, I'm afraid) |
| 18:39:26 | Kero | If you have familiar installed already, `ipkg list` shows what is available, but you can look at the HTML directory by hand as well. |
| 18:39:37 | Kero | ibto, storm |
| 18:39:41 | | i guess storm is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/Storm |
| 18:39:41 | Kero | ibot, storm |
| 18:40:06 | Kero | and then there is my agenda: http://httpd.chello.nl/k.vangelder/ruby/agenda/ |
| 18:40:34 | Kero | there is more that I do not know top of my head. |
| 18:47:43 | efhilton | ok. thanks... I have not yet installed any Linux distro on my brand new shiny 3765... but I am really tempted. |
| 18:53:17 | jhuebel | Anybody here know how to setup a Socket LPE NIC under Familiar? |
| 18:53:55 | jhuebel | I need to be able to set a specific IP and gateway, not use DHCP. |
| 18:55:45 | jhuebel | I'm hoping to have QTopia installed and working for our LUG meeting tonight. Maybe generate some interest in the new Sharp PDA. |
| 18:55:54 | jhuebel | I'm installing on an iPAQ, though. |
| 18:56:58 | jhuebel | Hello? |
| 18:59:44 | jhuebel | Hiya BBRox... |
| 18:59:48 | jhuebel | er... BBrox. |
| 18:59:52 | BBrox | 'lo |
| 19:00:09 | jhuebel | Ever used Familiar with a Socket LPE NIC? |
| 19:01:05 | BBrox | Nope |
| 19:02:12 | jhuebel | K |
| 19:04:02 | jhuebel | Anybody else alive around here? I could use some help with using my Socket LPE NIC on my iPAQ. |
| 19:04:56 | efhilton | jhuebel: why can't you use ifconfig/route from the command line to set the gateway and IP? |
| 19:05:46 | jhuebel | Sorry, I have to admit I typically only config Linux from GUI/curses tools. :-) I'll check that out. Thanks. |
| 19:07:13 | efhilton | best of luck! |
| 19:08:26 | sjw | hi |
| 19:08:33 | a7r | hey.. |
| 19:09:00 | sjw | Has anyone installed 0.5 from the bootloader? |
| 19:10:31 | jhuebel | I just did. |
| 19:14:38 | sjw | ok, mine seems to be taking a _long_ time to d/l the image |
| 19:14:54 | a7r | sjw: like, ~10k/s? |
| 19:15:02 | sjw | (bootldr v2.17.12) |
| 19:15:21 | sjw | well, I started it on friday, its still going ;( |
| 19:26:42 | EGg0 | is away: Unloading the kiln |
| 19:35:50 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:09:08) |
| 19:57:58 | EGg0 | is away: beating head against wall |
| 19:59:44 | sjw | just to make sure, minicom/bootldr prints '.'s when d/ling, wight? |
| 20:00:09 | a7r | no.. did you start the upload? |
| 20:02:09 | sjw | yep |
| 20:02:22 | sjw | ok, try again ;( |
| 20:04:39 | sjw | sigh. minicom doesn't say anything if the xmodem util (sx) isn't installed |
| 20:05:07 | sjw | kicks himself and his machine |
| 20:05:34 | sjw | ahhh, better |
| 20:05:34 | sjw | thanks |
| 20:05:53 | mark_ | how do I upgrade familiar 0.5 go 0.51-pre with a newer kernel without the rtc bug? |
| 20:09:00 | bipolar | mark_: what kernel does not have the RTC bug? |
| 20:09:29 | bipolar | mark_: and what bug are you talking about? :) |
| 20:09:59 | mark_ | bipolar: 2.4.16 or whatever it is which is kicking around somewhere |
| 20:10:16 | bipolar | mark_: are you talking about the alarm IRQ bug? |
| 20:10:31 | mark_ | the bug that makes it crash on booting and at random times when you set the clock to the right date |
| 20:10:38 | bipolar | mark_: ahhh.... |
| 20:11:01 | mark_ | any idea where these new kernel images are? |
| 20:11:13 | bipolar | mark_: lorian feed? |
| 20:11:20 | | i think lorian is spelled lorien |
| 20:11:20 | bipolar | ibot: lorian? |
| 20:11:24 | bipolar | hehe |
| 20:11:41 | | rumour has it lorien is CRL feeds ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.7 or ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/outgoing or see IpaqFeeds wiki page or short for lothlorien |
| 20:11:41 | mark_ | ibot: lorien? |
| 20:11:42 | mark_ | ;) |
| 20:13:17 | mark_ | ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/2.4.16 is what i want i presume |
| 20:13:24 | bipolar | :) |
| 20:15:28 | mark_ | bipolar: cvs up yet? |
| 20:15:33 | mark_ | bipolar: dishing out accounts? |
| 20:27:56 | jhuebel | After much cursing, I got familiar working with my Socket LPE. |
| 20:28:39 | jhuebel | New question though: df reports only 16128 blocks of available space. How do I use the 64MB of RAM in my iPAQ? |
| 20:38:55 | jhuebel | Anybody home? |
| 20:39:18 | sjw | stupid response: have mem=64m ? |
| 20:39:27 | sjw | in kernel flags |
| 20:39:38 | jhuebel | Hmmm... |
| 20:39:52 | sjw | or more likely, you have a 16M ramfs |
| 20:39:58 | sjw | has nfi |
| 20:41:26 | jhuebel | Well, I found the kernel args and there is currently no mem= argument. But I'm not sure that's the issue. |
| 20:41:58 | jhuebel | Should the available RAM on the iPAQ be used as a RAM drive? |
| 20:42:30 | jhuebel | Or does familiar only allow flash to be used as storage, with iPAQ RAM being used as RAM in the traditional sense? |
| 20:44:18 | bipolar | mark_: Waiting for info from France. |
| 20:44:19 | jhuebel | PocketPC allows RAM to be dynamically allocated between storage and application memory. I would guess that familiar does NOT act that way. |
| 20:45:07 | mark_ | bipolar: grrr, okay :-). my x86 build still isn't working annoyingly :( |
| 20:45:14 | bipolar | mark_: :( |
| 20:46:00 | mark_ | tries again |
| 20:48:15 | mark_ | still getting undefined references to 'tan@GLIBC_2.0' |
| 21:07:25 | EGg0 | is away: I'm a slave to the kiln... |
| 21:19:02 | EGg0 | is back (gone 00:11:36) |
| 21:19:59 | mark__ | bipolar: wow media player is good at crashing qtopia |
| 21:20:39 | bipolar | mark__: :) |
| 21:21:30 | mark__ | just dont get this errors in GLIBC_2_0 |
| 21:26:22 | mark__ | think i'm gonna install gentoo or mandrake |
| 21:58:47 | sjw | I wish ipkg would check if a package is installed before re-installing it |
| 21:59:57 | Kero | and that it would download the package-overview unless it was really changed. |
| 22:00:04 | Kero | would not... |
| 22:16:40 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 22:44:00 | jhuebel | Hiya all. Does anyone know if there is a telnet ipkg available? |