| 00:11:30 | silentcoyote | hey i have a question about instalition of familiar onto a ipaq 3650 |
| 01:12:28 | DaveH | hey folks |
| 01:22:40 | jason2 | you guys on right now? |
| 01:24:17 | jason2 | aw just cause i'm new ya don't hafta ignore me *pout* |
| 01:35:08 | cj | hi! |
| 01:35:23 | cj | that might be a stupid question but what is a microdrive? |
| 01:36:43 | sven | a microdrive is a 340MB or 1GB hardrive that in a CompactFlash casing |
| 01:37:00 | sven | s/that in/that is in/p |
| 01:37:43 | sven | jason2: hi |
| 01:37:52 | mchamber | thanks sven |
| 01:37:59 | mchamber | i guess im outta luck |
| 01:38:07 | sven | why so |
| 01:38:14 | mchamber | all i got is a 192 meg cf card |
| 01:38:51 | mchamber | i guess i wont be able to code perl in the meetings :( |
| 01:39:23 | sven | 192 is enuf |
| 01:39:36 | mchamber | i can install without a microdrive? |
| 01:39:44 | mchamber | im not gonna try to run kde! |
| 01:39:45 | mchamber | heh |
| 01:39:56 | sven | oh ur thinking about familiar |
| 01:40:11 | sven | familiar is for normal iPAQs |
| 01:40:15 | mchamber | familiar/intimate |
| 01:40:23 | sven | Intimate is for zealots |
| 01:40:24 | mchamber | i got a ipaq 3765 |
| 01:40:24 | sven | =) |
| 01:41:59 | mchamber | zealots? |
| 01:42:03 | sven | mchamber: you can code perl w/o your CF card if you want |
| 01:42:11 | jason2 | heyhey! could i get a little help with the ipkg? |
| 01:42:12 | mchamber | in CE? |
| 01:42:18 | sven | mchamber: familiar is small enuf if you tune it a little |
| 01:42:22 | mchamber | all i got right now is windows CE :( |
| 01:42:31 | sven | mchamber: well that has to go |
| 01:42:36 | sven | jason2: wazzzup |
| 01:42:37 | mchamber | so a microdrive is not a requirement for anything right? |
| 01:42:58 | jason2 | thanks sven, i get port 80 refused |
| 01:43:09 | mchamber | i can install both familiar and intimate on a cf card? |
| 01:43:10 | sven | mchamber: correct...I have no microdrive |
| 01:43:15 | mchamber | sweeT! |
| 01:43:19 | sven | that is correct |
| 01:43:21 | mchamber | bye bye CE! |
| 01:43:26 | sven | jason2: hangon |
| 01:43:45 | mchamber | that's the moment of thruth.. i'm installing the bootldr |
| 01:44:16 | sven | mchamber: sweet a convert! |
| 01:44:41 | sven | jason2: all working fine for me, what are you trying to connect to? |
| 01:44:53 | mchamber | dr-2.18.01.bin |
| 01:45:02 | mchamber | i bougth the ipaq to run linux :) |
| 01:45:29 | sven | mchamber: as did I...CE didn't last by half an hour after I got my serial cradle |
| 01:45:30 | mchamber | programming flash... |
| 01:45:57 | mchamber | i bought the ipaq yesterday and came home to install linux to find out i needed the serial cable |
| 01:45:58 | mchamber | heh |
| 01:46:15 | mchamber | Sweet |
| 01:46:17 | jason2 | well, my coworker jsut stole his cradle, so i'll be doing it later, but trying to connect to familiar.handhelds.org, i can bring it up on the same network, diff computer... |
| 01:46:22 | sven | it took me 2 days to get one...that was agony |
| 01:46:29 | mchamber | I appear to have a valid OHH Bootloader 2.18.1! |
| 01:46:43 | mchamber | i got the cable for $20 at best buy! |
| 01:46:46 | MonMotha | well, you can breathe again :) |
| 01:46:51 | mchamber | heh |
| 01:46:56 | mchamber | thanks for reminding me |
| 01:47:03 | MonMotha | got his cable at best buy for $20 too |
| 01:47:23 | sven | jason2: let us know when we can do something |
| 01:47:39 | sven | spent $30 at compusa |
| 01:47:50 | sven | hangs his nonfrugal head in shame. |
| 01:48:14 | MonMotha | coulda gotten a free one from compaq, but then you have to wait |
| 01:48:32 | sven | anyone updated their fam 0.5 to .5.1? |
| 01:48:36 | sven | MonMotha: how? |
| 01:48:38 | jason2 | thing is i can ping it and resolve dns to it... could i just install the ipkgs manually, like i did for the ppp and wavelan pks.. |
| 01:48:51 | sven | jason2: yup |
| 01:48:59 | jason2 | is it a trillion files? |
| 01:49:02 | MonMotha | you just say that you're running NT4 or that your computer doesn't have a USB port |
| 01:49:04 | sven | jason2: that works but it's slow |
| 01:49:15 | MonMotha | but that would be dishonest (unless of course you are running NT4 or your don't have a USB port :) |
| 01:49:43 | sven | jason2: it's not that bad but it you want to download fewer files and get more quicker (IMHO) go with OPIE! |
| 01:50:09 | jason2 | yeah, there's no single file for task-complete eh? |
| 01:50:24 | MonMotha | running X is for the true geeks who don't want to use it as a PDA :) |
| 01:50:25 | mchamber | i gotta put daughter to bed and do some real work.. ill be back later! |
| 01:50:27 | sven | jason2: there is but it is only a dependancy file |
| 01:50:29 | mchamber | thaks for the help! |
| 01:50:35 | sven | mchamber: cya |
| 01:51:27 | sven | MonMotha has a point, OPIE is more useful right now but has less of a geek factor (that which we OPIE guys don't care about) |
| 01:52:11 | jason2 | i already started on some of the familiar stuff tho, will that interfere? |
| 01:52:42 | MonMotha | you can of course run OPIE and X11 on the same device, just not at the same time |
| 01:52:52 | sven | jason2: it won't interfere, just like SVGALIB apps don't interfere with X |
| 01:53:16 | MonMotha | can you exit OPIE and go to X without restarting (the kernel)...I know you could exit X and then start OPIE, but can you "exit" OPIE to start X? |
| 01:53:44 | sven | jason2: if you only have 16MB of flash like me, then you can only install one at a time |
| 01:53:44 | sachac | What is OPIE? =) |
| 01:53:51 | | opie is at opie.handhelds.org |
| 01:53:51 | sven | ibot opie |
| 01:54:07 | sven | MonMotha: yes you can stop OPIE |
| 01:54:14 | jason2 | i only have 16 megs... it was free.. |
| 01:54:26 | sven | you would need a script to startx though |
| 01:54:48 | sven | much like EGg0's dual boot script |
| 01:55:00 | MonMotha | so get a CF sleeve and card |
| 01:55:10 | MonMotha | heck, you could even swap cards depending on the environment you want |
| 01:55:25 | jason2 | have a sleeve, have a 32meg card |
| 01:55:32 | sven | MonMotha: that's really what I want to do but I haven't yet |
| 01:55:43 | sachac | Ooh! I have an 128 MB card.. =) |
| 01:55:50 | sven | jason2: that's enuf but let's not overdo it in one night |
| 01:55:56 | MonMotha | I have a 64, but I'll probably get a 128 or two |
| 01:56:09 | sven | sachac: Ooh! I have a 256 MB card.. =) |
| 01:56:14 | MonMotha | since i'll probably see about booting CE off the CF card...for those rare occasions I actually want CE for something |
| 01:56:36 | sven | MonMotha: now I've never heard of that idea |
| 01:56:43 | jason2 | alright, i'm gonna look through the packages and install the ones associated with the task-complete |
| 01:56:43 | sachac | sven: I hate you. ;) Nah, that's okay.. |
| 01:56:56 | sven | thinks CE is still a waste flash |
| 01:56:57 | MonMotha | linux as the native OS, then you do boot from CF if you want CE |
| 01:57:13 | sven | MonMotha: you might as well have OPIE on CF card |
| 01:57:22 | MonMotha | well, I only have one right now :) |
| 01:57:27 | jason2 | sven, you developed for opie? hehe |
| 01:57:33 | MonMotha | but I do have a 32MB ipaq, so I can install both probably |
| 01:58:10 | sven | jason2: I'm not (yet) a developer at all but... |
| 01:58:24 | sven | jason2: I'm starting work on the documentation project for it |
| 01:58:40 | MonMotha | I'm the fvwm guy :) |
| 01:58:53 | MonMotha | that and heretic is my current project |
| 01:58:54 | sven | that's really cool |
| 01:58:55 | jason2 | cool. and task-complete has everything i couls possibly want for it to work? with x11? |
| 01:58:55 | sachac | sven: Hmmm... Why the fork? |
| 01:59:26 | sachac | jason2: Well, not _everything_, but a great deal. Yes, it comes with X. =) |
| 01:59:46 | sven | sachac: cuz TT is turning Qtopia towards the Zaurus since that's where the money is |
| 02:00:13 | sven | sachac: as I understand it, OPIE will be kinda like Alan's kernels |
| 02:00:49 | sven | sachac: they stay in sync with the official but aren't hindered by TT's $$$ agenda |
| 02:00:54 | jason2 | i'm concerned with wpace, what's the size of a full install, will that exceed 16 megs? |
| 02:01:16 | sachac | sven: Ahhhhh. |
| 02:01:25 | sachac | jason2: No, but space will be a little tight. =) |
| 02:02:02 | jason2 | by full i mean very functional... so it'll be alot slower than if i had 32m rom? |
| 02:02:55 | sven | jason2: nope flash size has nothing to do w/ speed since these things don't got swap space |
| 02:02:58 | sachac | jason2: You can fit task-complete onto that. It's not about slowness - Familiar on my 3630 feels pretty good - but you won't be able to install that many extra packages.. =) |
| 02:03:19 | sven | (unless you set it up on a CF card but no one recommends that) |
| 02:03:28 | sven | (sloooooooooooooooooooooooow) |
| 02:06:09 | jason2 | allright, you guys've been a real help. |
| 02:06:23 | jason2 | i'm gonna get to sz ing a ton of files... |
| 02:06:40 | sven | jason2: have fun =P |
| 02:06:56 | jason2 | yeah, i'll be here, prolly anoy some more.. |
| 02:08:14 | jason2 | makin a list.. this already sucks... |
| 02:09:51 | sven | jason2: all you have is serial? |
| 02:09:57 | sven | jason2: you could set up PPP |
| 02:10:29 | jason2 | right now.. yeah... |
| 02:10:43 | jason2 | sounds like a pain in the ass.. |
| 02:10:52 | jason2 | ppp and ssh right? |
| 02:11:09 | sven | jason2: yup |
| 02:11:19 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 02:11:19 | sven | ibot: ppp |
| 02:11:34 | sachac | jason2: Yup. Also, you'll probably need to echo "local\ndefaultroute" >> /etc/ppp/options... |
| 02:13:09 | sven | If anyone get's abiword running in X, I'll switch from OPIE |
| 02:15:30 | sachac | sven: Abiword is huge! |
| 02:15:43 | sven | sachac: it's not that bad |
| 02:16:09 | sven | sachac: but it wouldn't fit on the screen |
| 02:18:48 | sachac | sven: 4 megs! |
| 02:19:27 | sven | sachac: it's worth it to me...the only reason I got started w/ PDAs was so I could take notes is class... |
| 02:20:02 | sven | sachac: if you compare 4MB with OpenOffice, KWord, or <cringe> M$Office, that ain't bad at all |
| 02:20:15 | sachac | sven: pyditor is okay.. =) You really need the rich text formatting? |
| 02:20:46 | sven | sachac: remember I use OPIE...RTF is very nice when taking notes |
| 02:21:04 | sachac | sven: Excellent point. |
| 02:21:18 | sven | I have a Visor w/ WordSmith on it. That is exactly what I want |
| 02:21:41 | sven | doesn't use it now cuz his bro broke his stowaway |
| 02:27:43 | sven | i'm going to run a Mandrake update on my xchat...brb |
| 02:30:20 | sven | that was painless...unlike the windows update that wouldn't go today at work |
| 02:30:35 | sven | loves linux |
| 02:30:42 | Aelfweld | greetings and salutations |
| 02:30:55 | sven | Aelfweld: that's something my bro would say |
| 02:31:08 | sven | Aelfweld: what can we do for you? |
| 02:31:50 | Aelfweld | I was wondering if anyone has installed on the sharp zaurus. I found one faq that claims to be about installing it but then everything is ipaq |
| 02:32:13 | sven | Aelfweld: I haven't heard of anyone doing this... |
| 02:32:29 | sven | Aelfweld: since the Z loads new images via a CF card |
| 02:32:41 | | sven: huh? |
| 02:32:41 | sven | ibot: openzaurs |
| 02:32:44 | | i think openzaurus is a Community version of the root filesystem / romimage for the Sharp Zaurus SL-5000d PDA. The Sourceforge site is at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/openzaurus |
| 02:32:44 | sven | ibot: openzaurus |
| 02:33:11 | sven | Aelfweld: you might look into that (although I think they just started) |
| 02:33:15 | Aelfweld | yeah you can put a zimage & initrd.bin on a cf and load it |
| 02:33:56 | sven | doesn't know |
| 02:34:10 | sven | Aelfweld: ask on #handhelds.org |
| 02:34:16 | Aelfweld | I tired it, didn't boot so well(some errors) and the gui would not come up. At this point all they have is the original rom stripped of the proprietary stuff(ie the compiled the source of the sharp site) |
| 02:34:22 | Aelfweld | its ok thanks o) |
| 02:34:23 | sven | Aelfweld: there may be someone there that knows more |
| 02:34:38 | Aelfweld | ok the next questions is when is the cool gps app coming out ;) |
| 02:34:54 | sven | Look it's mike wazowski! |
| 02:34:55 | sven | =) |
| 02:35:08 | sven | Aelfweld: which one? |
| 02:35:27 | Aelfweld | the one listed on the familiar page earth or some such from snowcrash |
| 02:36:04 | sven | is looking |
| 02:36:23 | Aelfweld | its the teaser in the screen shot section |
| 02:37:23 | sven | Aelfweld: on the wiki? |
| 02:37:55 | Aelfweld | http://familiar.handhelds.org/ no here |
| 02:38:10 | sven | oh the salamander thing |
| 02:38:17 | Aelfweld | yes |
| 02:38:21 | sven | ask a7r |
| 02:38:30 | sven | I dont' know a thing about it |
| 02:38:34 | Aelfweld | o) |
| 02:38:42 | Aelfweld | you know who to ask |
| 02:38:43 | sven | Look it's mike wazowski! |
| 02:38:46 | Aelfweld | thats something |
| 02:39:06 | sven | =) |
| 02:40:35 | Aelfweld | if there was a way to just download task-complete I would try installing it but as of yet I have not networked the thing nor do I know how to point ipkg at the right website. lots of reading to do I guess o) |
| 02:42:29 | sven | Aelfweld: edit /etc/ipkg.conf, it's easy |
| 02:42:37 | | usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 02:42:37 | sven | ibot: usbnet |
| 02:42:42 | | ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 02:42:42 | sven | ibot: ppp |
| 02:42:45 | sven | it's easy |
| 02:43:48 | Aelfweld | yep o) just got the thing yesterday though and played diablo tonight ending any chance of getting 'work' done |
| 02:43:57 | jason2 | ok, so how do i set up a windblows host with ppp on the serial port? |
| 02:44:12 | sven | runs for cover |
| 02:44:43 | jason2 | hey, i'm at work! and my imac here doesn't have serial, duh! |
| 02:44:47 | Aelfweld | I don't think windows can run a ppp server(well maybe 2k can but I doubt its easy or free) |
| 02:44:48 | jason2 | tho it has OSx |
| 02:45:08 | Aelfweld | ppp over usb? |
| 02:45:15 | | sven: what? |
| 02:45:15 | sven | ibot: windowsppp |
| 02:45:22 | sven | hrm |
| 02:45:43 | jason2 | ok, i go back to rzing a million files.. rats... |
| 02:45:48 | sven | sweet |
| 02:45:51 | sven | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/WindowsPPPHowto |
| 02:45:56 | | sven: huh? |
| 02:45:56 | sven | ibot: windows |
| 02:46:18 | Aelfweld | well I am sure I will be around again have fun o) |
| 02:46:31 | sven | Aelfweld: I will thanks |
| 02:46:31 | MonMotha | of course windows can run a PPP server, but I think it expects a dialin |
| 02:48:14 | sachac | jason2: Minicom automatically starts the rz, so just send away. |
| 02:48:24 | sachac | jason2: You do need to be logged in, though. =) |
| 02:49:08 | MonMotha | are there any win2k drivers for the USB networking that the ipaq uses? |
| 02:50:28 | | OK, sven. |
| 02:50:28 | sven | ibot: windows is a trap,...an evil pit of quicksand that conjures people away from being free. A small door to freedom can be found at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/WindowsPPPHowto http://www.linux.org or http://www.linux.com |
| 03:23:05 | sven | gn guys, i need to sleep alot to prepare for the weekend ;) |
| 03:35:39 | mchamber | hi there! |
| 03:35:50 | mchamber | im running familiar :) |
| 03:36:27 | mchamber | i got my linksys 802.11b card to work by hand but at is the correct file to put my ip and gateway in? |
| 03:58:55 | jason2 | oh, mchamber, i think you can do it with ifconfig |
| 04:11:52 | jason2 | ok, i have a list of all the .ipk files you need... |
| 04:11:59 | jason2 | to replicate the task-complete |
| 05:02:01 | jason2 | oi morn |
| 05:02:23 | Morn | hi |
| 05:12:15 | jason2 | hey morn, you familiar familiar? |
| 05:15:02 | Morn | I use it, yes |
| 05:15:44 | jason2 | ok, i had to maually install all the .ipk files, i put all those that were included in task-complete, but i still cannot do anything... i am now lost |
| 05:15:55 | jason2 | please help me, i beg |
| 05:17:35 | Morn | what is not working exactly? |
| 05:18:07 | jason2 | well, me really, i think i need to find a good faq to read for a while |
| 05:18:42 | jason2 | i wanna use my ipaq as a pda, not just a terminal to console into.. |
| 05:18:57 | jason2 | i need to get it to boot into x11 automatically.. |
| 05:20:05 | Morn | did you install all the X ipk's? |
| 05:20:18 | Morn | and make sure there is a S99x in /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 05:20:18 | jason2 | yeah |
| 05:20:43 | jason2 | i'm new to linux with x, i always just use them as routers etc... |
| 05:20:47 | Morn | though you might find qpe a bit easier for pda type stuff |
| 05:20:53 | jason2 | and typically bsd... |
| 05:21:20 | jason2 | so this graphical jazz is new! |
| 05:21:46 | Morn | bsd has an X interface |
| 05:21:53 | jason2 | yeah, never use it tho... |
| 05:24:02 | Morn | did you check the /etc/rc2.d/S99x link? |
| 05:24:12 | Morn | also which version did you install? |
| 05:24:37 | jason2 | installed .5 x11r6 i believe, i do not have an /etc/rc2.d |
| 05:24:55 | jason2 | is there an x11 resource available, i don't wann bother you guys... |
| 05:25:11 | Morn | xfree86.org ? |
| 05:25:28 | jason2 | i try, ok, thx dude... |
| 05:25:37 | Morn | dudette, thank you. |
| 05:26:10 | jason2 | erm, that dude was a non-gendered dude... hehehe soryr. |
| 06:11:04 | jason2 | pan galactic gargleblaster... |
| 06:11:34 | sjohnson | jason2: ??? |
| 06:11:48 | jason2 | in refference to beeblebrox |
| 06:12:19 | beeblebrox | lol |
| 06:12:27 | sjohnson | Ah. That explains it. I forgot to insert my babelfish. |
| 06:12:40 | sjohnson | looks for his towel |
| 06:12:42 | jason2 | i'm gonna put up my SEP field.. |
| 06:13:03 | jason2 | is there a good x11 config resource? |
| 07:28:39 | mace | hi all, has anyone tried gdb with the newer 2.4.16 kernels? |
| 07:28:48 | mace | it seems to not understand threading |
| 07:29:10 | mace | (or rather, less than before) |
| 10:44:53 | [Yep] | nadie habla? |
| 14:25:27 | bipolar | is back (gone 16:25:56) |
| 14:42:19 | | terrys was last seen on #intimate 7 days, 16 hours, 18 minutes and 28 seconds ago, saying: right OTOH no time like the present :) [Thu Jan 24 22:23:51 2002] |
| 14:42:19 | mpakula | ibot seen terrys |
| 15:42:57 | beeblebrox | is away: I'll be back! |
| 16:44:50 | Morn | is away: showering... no peeking! |
| 17:10:47 | Morn | is back (gone 00:25:57) |
| 17:11:35 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 17:11:42 | wesi | anybody havin' nmap running? |
| 17:12:33 | bipolar | is away: Going to pick up lunch. bbiab... |
| 17:14:04 | | no idea, wesi |
| 17:14:04 | wesi | ibot: where is nmap |
| 17:14:50 | | bugger all, i dunno, wesi |
| 17:14:50 | wesi | ibot: ax25 ? |
| 17:16:03 | | the toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 17:16:03 | wesi | ibot: where is the toolchain ? |
| 17:27:37 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:15:05) |
| 17:32:54 | Morn | Hi Bipolar |
| 17:33:18 | bipolar | Morn: hiya! |
| 17:33:51 | Morn | I had a hard time finding anyone else with an iPAQ with linux on it at the Linux Expo :-( |
| 17:34:03 | Morn | and compaq didn't seem to really have anything about it |
| 17:34:34 | bipolar | Morn: the zaurus guys were there, right? |
| 17:34:55 | Morn | Yeah, but I didn't get to that booth |
| 17:35:01 | Morn | I got called away on business |
| 17:35:06 | Morn | and had to cut my time short |
| 17:35:12 | bipolar | hmmm.. |
| 17:35:20 | bipolar | Morn: Do you run X or QPE on your iPaq? |
| 17:35:24 | Morn | QPE |
| 17:35:38 | Morn | I've run Pixil too at points |
| 17:35:45 | bipolar | Morn: Cool. I've just made a package that lets QPE use uschedule for wakeup events. |
| 17:35:52 | Morn | cool |
| 17:36:02 | bipolar | Morn: WOuld you test it for me? |
| 17:36:19 | Morn | I need to try to package up my stuff for getting commapi working with the blackdown jvm on the iPAQ |
| 17:36:29 | Morn | Benjamin: sure, but not til tonight |
| 17:36:34 | Morn | I have to do a few things here first |
| 17:36:35 | bipolar | Morn: K. |
| 17:37:27 | Morn | I'm considering re-installing my local linux box today too, I'm getting a lot of compiler errors that I suspect are from having too many versions of libraries and compilers around |
| 17:37:42 | Morn | and it's at a point where it is easier to re-install then de-tangle |
| 17:39:05 | Pollita | eh... just reinstall visual studio |
| 17:39:08 | Pollita | *hide* |
| 17:39:40 | Morn | beats Pollita about the head with a real compiler. |
| 17:39:54 | Pollita | What? Like FoxPro? |
| 17:40:02 | Morn | Qbasic |
| 17:40:20 | Pollita | PEEK Morn |
| 17:40:32 | Morn | no peeking up my dress! |
| 18:46:18 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:34:43) |
| 21:24:27 | DaveH | a7r: afternoon |
| 21:36:31 | a7r | DaveH: Hola. |
| 21:39:04 | DaveH | a7r How goes |
| 21:39:57 | a7r | getting my travel situation together to go to FOSDEM. |
| 21:40:39 | DaveH | Have fun |
| 21:48:44 | bipolar | is away: I'm not here.... Really.... |
| 21:54:36 | cworth | greets |
| 21:54:41 | a7r | Mr. Worth.. |
| 21:54:46 | a7r | how's it? |
| 21:54:49 | sjohnson | cworth: hi |
| 21:55:05 | cworth | tips hat <Mr. Guy..> |
| 21:55:12 | cworth | doin' fine thanks. |
| 21:55:16 | cworth | hello sjohnson |
| 21:55:29 | DaveH | cworth: Afternoon |
| 21:55:47 | cworth | I broke down and started writing a WM. |
| 21:55:48 | a7r | cworth: I'm still trying to figure out why any directories are being deleted.. |
| 21:55:51 | a7r | let alone /root |
| 21:56:13 | cworth | a7r: it's bizarre. I don't think it is ipkg. The directories are reborn with contents later, no? |
| 21:56:22 | a7r | cworth: yeah. |
| 21:56:45 | a7r | I think I can actually reproduce it.. I need to experiment more with it when I get home. |
| 21:56:46 | cworth | a7r: no way that I can imagine that ipkg could be doing that. |
| 21:57:16 | sjohnson | a7r: Deleted dirs during ipkg install's / upgrades? |
| 21:57:23 | a7r | cworth: that's what I figured.. so we're looking in the wrong place. |
| 21:57:27 | a7r | sjohnson: yes.. |
| 21:58:08 | sjohnson | a7r: My guess is that the inode of the current directory is moved by jffs2 garbase collector and the inode # of directory has changed. |
| 21:58:25 | a7r | sjohnson: yeah, cworth had that idea as well.. |
| 21:58:37 | a7r | which would make sense. |
| 21:58:51 | sjohnson | dwmw2 would answer it for sute. |
| 21:58:56 | sjohnson | ... sute. |
| 21:59:03 | sjohnson | #$@#$@$#@ it. |
| 21:59:06 | a7r | haha |
| 21:59:06 | sjohnson | ... sure. |
| 21:59:33 | a7r | sjohnson: yeah, he's been CCed. |
| 22:00:33 | sjohnson | Oh. IT's been perculating for awhile now. I though it was just brought up. |
| 22:02:03 | a7r | we've looked at the problem for 2 months, but I noticed the directory was being pulled out from underneath the processes last night. |
| 22:05:41 | sjohnson | I've hit it a couple of times during ipkg installs of task-complete and ipkg upgrades. I just 'cd' and the directory is magically thre again. |
| 22:05:48 | a7r | yeah. |
| 22:06:06 | a7r | if you see it, then abort the ipkg install, and then do things again, all seems fine. |
| 22:06:37 | sjohnson | a7r: Yes. That's what make be suspend a changed inode # |
| 22:07:59 | sjohnson | s/suspend/suspect/ |
| 23:08:34 | Allawi | anybody awake here? |
| 23:08:43 | Allawi | I have a question regarding installing familiar on my iPAQ |
| 23:09:01 | sjohnson | Allawi: Go ahead, I've got a few minutes |
| 23:09:26 | Allawi | What do I have to stick in /etc/resolv.conf to be able to ping familiar.handhelds.org? |
| 23:09:54 | sjohnson | nameserver ip.address.of.nameserver |
| 23:10:04 | sjohnson | At a minimum |
| 23:10:15 | Allawi | ok .. I'm not that good at those things ... what is the ip.address.of.nameserver? |
| 23:10:28 | Allawi | I tried copying what's in my linux box's /etc/resolv.conf .. |
| 23:10:28 | sjohnson | What OS do you use on your desktop? |
| 23:10:29 | Allawi | that didn't work .. |
| 23:10:33 | Allawi | susE |
| 23:10:43 | sjohnson | How is your IPAQ connecting to the network? |
| 23:10:44 | Allawi | SuSE 7.3 |
| 23:10:49 | Allawi | through ppp |
| 23:10:52 | Allawi | serial cable |
| 23:11:11 | sjohnson | Have you setup your desktop to do network forwarding for the IPAQ? |
| 23:11:26 | Allawi | hmmmm ... maybe :) I believe I did IP forwarding .. yes .. |
| 23:11:33 | sjohnson | Can you ping an IP address that's output of your local network? |
| 23:11:45 | Allawi | no |
| 23:12:01 | sjohnson | Then your forwarding isn't setup yet. |
| 23:12:02 | | somebody said ppp was http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 23:12:02 | sjohnson | ibot: ppp |
| 23:12:06 | Allawi | does it have something to do with the IPs I specified for my iPAQ? |
| 23:12:43 | sjohnson | It might. Most people use 10.x.x.x addresses and use IP masquerading to reash the internet. |
| 23:13:04 | Allawi | oh .. I used what's defined on that page : 192.168.1.101 |
| 23:13:25 | sjohnson | Allawi: That's fine. It another pviate network block line 10.x.x.x is |
| 23:13:58 | Allawi | ok .. so back to the original question .. what do I stick in resolv.conf? :) |
| 23:14:24 | sjohnson | Allawi: What you use on your desktop is fine if network forwarding or masquerading it working. |
| 23:14:47 | Allawi | ok .. I will check for that .. |
| 23:14:48 | sjohnson | Try reding these pages for information. |
| 23:14:50 | sjohnson | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 23:15:00 | sjohnson | And http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/IPMasqHowto |
| 23:15:09 | Allawi | ok .. thanks .. |
| 23:15:20 | sjohnson | You can also get help (usually) on #handhelds.org (more people) |
| 23:16:03 | sjohnson | Good luck |
| 23:16:09 | sjohnson | is away: nick sj_away |
| 23:16:13 | Allawi | thanks .. I'll try following the second howto first .. |
| 23:16:16 | Allawi | thanks again .. |
| 23:16:43 | sjohnson | Once you can ping things on the 'Net. DNS should work fine. |
| 23:16:54 | sjohnson | ... from your IPAQ. |
| 23:33:13 | GIANT- | wenaaaaas! |
| 23:40:17 | GIANT- | nadie dice naaa? |
| 23:43:02 | wudigi | does anyone know how to get a ppp connection going over the serial cable on windows xp? |
| 23:54:26 | Deicide | peeks around the room |
| 23:55:02 | wudigi | oh well, if anyone figures it out, wudigi@linkline.com |