| 00:14:30 | bipolar | is back (gone 27:40:50) |
| 00:36:16 | jarjar26 | i have an error when i load rxvt terminal : can't load font "mono-5.5:minispace=true" |
| 00:41:00 | a7r | have you installed the truetype fonts? |
| 00:47:16 | jarjar26 | yes ! |
| 00:47:26 | jarjar26 | you mean rxvt-aa ? |
| 00:50:55 | jarjar26 | ok, i have desintall and reinstall and all is seems to be good :) |
| 00:52:00 | jarjar26 | Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing from |
| 00:52:00 | jarjar26 | list! |
| 00:52:10 | jarjar26 | how could remove these line ? |
| 00:58:18 | sjohnson | jarjar26: Did you install familiar-postinst and run the /root/postinst script? |
| 01:10:12 | jarjar26 | no i will try :) |
| 01:12:02 | jarjar26 | i have try, the program start some downlaod ... after i have reboot and again i have the same error :( |
| 01:14:13 | jarjar26 | i seen other erro whr i boot x-wndows manager not found |
| 01:21:22 | jarjar26 | i seen other erro whr i boot: x-windows manager not found and Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/, removing from |
| 01:23:17 | sjohnson | jarjar26: Ignore them, we don't use 100dpi fonts on the IPAQ |
| 01:24:03 | jarjar26 | ok, but for my other error , x-windows manager ?? |
| 01:27:15 | a7r | reinstall your window manager. |
| 01:27:37 | jarjar26 | how ? |
| 01:27:43 | a7r | ipkg install ion |
| 01:31:32 | a7r | bbl. |
| 01:31:34 | a7r | is away: I'm busy |
| 01:31:43 | jarjar26 | it's working ! |
| 01:31:46 | jarjar26 | :) |
| 01:31:48 | jarjar26 | thanks |
| 01:47:52 | jarjar26 | it's possible to keep contact in mingle after a reboot ? |
| 02:12:56 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 02:19:25 | jarjar26 | how can install a .ipk ?? |
| 02:31:08 | CoolPops | anyone know where I can find info on setting up usb networking in the interfaces file? |
| 03:00:47 | sjohnson | # The loopback interface |
| 03:00:48 | sjohnson | # automatically added when upgrading |
| 03:00:48 | sjohnson | auto lo |
| 03:00:48 | sjohnson | iface lo inet loopback |
| 03:00:48 | sjohnson | iface usbf inet static |
| 03:00:48 | sjohnson | address 10.1.1.3 |
| 03:00:50 | sjohnson | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 03:00:52 | sjohnson | network 10.1.1.0 |
| 03:00:54 | sjohnson | gateway 10.1.1.2 |
| 03:01:46 | CoolPops | sjohnson: tnx. I know you gave that to me once, and I set it up but redid the IPAQ and did not save that change. sorry |
| 03:02:34 | CoolPops | sjohnson: will this get ran automatically when the system comes back from a suspend? |
| 03:04:13 | sjohnson | CoolPops: No. You need to add a resume script im /etc/resume-scripts |
| 03:12:37 | CoolPops | sjohnson: I created in init.d a start/stop script for networking, then in resume-scripts, I made a script that calls usbnet stop, then start. Is their an advantage to using the if setup? |
| 03:24:28 | sjohnson | CoolPops: Create the following script as /etc/network/if-post-down.d/usbf |
| 03:24:32 | sjohnson | #!/bin/sh |
| 03:24:32 | sjohnson | if [ "$IFACE" = "usbf" -a "$MODE" = "stop" ] |
| 03:24:32 | sjohnson | then |
| 03:24:32 | sjohnson | modprobe -r usb-eth |
| 03:24:32 | sjohnson | fi |
| 03:24:59 | sjohnson | If will unload usb-eth drivers after 'ifdown usbf' |
| 03:26:08 | CoolPops | sjohnson: what is prefixing the modprobe? a tab? my IRC is showing a bold I, the same with the address, netmask, network and gateway lines above. |
| 03:26:43 | sjohnson | Tab, space, nothing -> your choice |
| 03:26:54 | CoolPops | ok. will do. |
| 03:27:07 | sjohnson | Bold Im is a ctrl-I what is a TAB |
| 03:29:34 | CoolPops | sjohnson: the 10.x.x.x is that standard for internal networks? like the 192.x.x.x? |
| 03:50:29 | sjohnson | CoolPops: 10.x.x.x is another private subnet. It's a not routed on the Internet. |
| 03:52:16 | CoolPops | sjohnson: have u ever tried using hotplug? |
| 03:52:44 | sjohnson | yes. Just create anconfigure for usb0 on the desktop side. |
| 03:53:47 | CoolPops | sjohnson: tehn all I have to do is drop my ipaq into the cradle and all is setup. |
| 03:54:18 | sjohnson | yes, if usbf is up on the IPAQ side. |
| 03:55:24 | CoolPops | sjohnson: cool. I installed hotplug on the client side, now just gotta configure it to work with the ipaq. the ipaq side is all done, resume scripts and all. |
| 04:04:52 | CoolPops | sjohnson: cool. its working! |
| 04:05:15 | sjohnson | Congrats! |
| 04:08:11 | CoolPops | sjohnson: just a quick question. coming out of suspend mode, it does not detect a insert, therefor it does not configure the device. if I pull it, then plug it back in all works. is this the same for u or does it recognize it when it goes to sleep and then wakes while in the cradle? |
| 04:10:16 | sjohnson | yes. It's a limiation of USB in genral and th suspend method. |
| 04:12:00 | sjohnson | The USB host assigned information to the USB slave. When the IPAQ suspends. 99.99 percent of the internal hardware is turned off. so when it wakes up the usb hardware doesn't have it info and the desktop doesn't recognize it. |
| 04:12:09 | CoolPops | sjohnson: ok. I will not try to fix it then :) tnxs for all ur help. I now have my 3765 up and running with qtopia and auto configuring network :) |
| 04:12:28 | sjohnson | CoolPops: You can't unless your hack the hardware. |
| 05:43:13 | greeno | is away: I'm busy |
| 05:43:23 | greeno | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 06:03:14 | CoolPops | does anyone run qtopia on their ipaq? |
| 08:06:45 | l2ed-eye | lo...anyone wake here |
| 08:07:23 | a7r | yup. |
| 08:07:27 | l2ed-eye | hey |
| 08:07:39 | l2ed-eye | ....im on a mission |
| 08:07:59 | l2ed-eye | do you know a room that discusses konqeror related issues? |
| 08:08:50 | a7r | try #kde |
| 08:08:52 | banshee | is there a #kde on this server? |
| 08:09:28 | banshee | hmm... heh, must really be looking for help, first redirect and he was gone.. usually have them lingering around longer than some of my ex girlfriends |
| 08:10:07 | a7r | hshs |
| 08:10:11 | a7r | s/s/a/ |
| 09:20:02 | Eagle_X | Anyone here who installed familar on an 3850 plz ?? |
| 10:27:56 | greeno | is away: pizza |
| 11:50:02 | | somebody said ssh-keygen was something you need to run to setup my ipaq's host keys. To do this run the following on my ipaq:'/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ""' and '/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -d -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N ""' |
| 11:50:02 | mpakula | ibot ssh-keygen |
| 13:00:22 | Hymie | heyo, anyone here using the 3800 series ipaq with familiar? |
| 13:00:33 | Hymie | sound seems borked here |
| 13:10:16 | Hymie | heh |
| 13:10:17 | Hymie | just crashed it |
| 13:10:19 | Hymie | how the hell ;) |
| 13:10:24 | Hymie | sigh |
| 13:10:44 | Hymie | er |
| 13:10:48 | Hymie | its not crashed |
| 13:10:48 | Hymie | heh |
| 13:10:57 | Hymie | the backlight is in "I'm going off" mode |
| 13:35:39 | Hymie | madd! |
| 13:35:50 | Hymie | are you a living, breathing, non idling person? :) |
| 13:35:59 | madd | why yes i am!!! |
| 13:36:01 | Hymie | ahaha |
| 13:36:03 | Hymie | woo |
| 13:36:08 | madd | good to see i'm not the only one. |
| 13:36:10 | Hymie | dude |
| 13:36:11 | madd | 8D |
| 13:36:20 | Hymie | you have any idea about familiar? |
| 13:36:23 | Hymie | like, have you used it long? |
| 13:36:27 | madd | yeah. i got it in my palm |
| 13:36:31 | Hymie | hmm |
| 13:36:31 | Hymie | ok |
| 13:36:38 | madd | nah, only bout 2 months |
| 13:36:42 | madd | wussup? |
| 13:36:54 | Hymie | I have in on my ipaq, but I'm having what I think are ipaq specific issues.. sound, apm, stuff like that |
| 13:37:09 | madd | hmmm. i have sound working with 0.5.1 |
| 13:37:12 | Hymie | madd: have you found a good addressbook/contact list that has searchable entires and such? |
| 13:37:22 | madd | yeah |
| 13:37:24 | madd | mingle |
| 13:37:28 | Hymie | mingle |
| 13:37:29 | Hymie | hmm |
| 13:37:30 | Hymie | ok |
| 13:37:31 | Hymie | sec ;) |
| 13:37:33 | madd | it rox |
| 13:37:33 | Hymie | gonna install ;) |
| 13:37:35 | madd | kewl |
| 13:38:10 | Hymie | arg |
| 13:38:14 | Hymie | +#$)@$ debugging info |
| 13:38:26 | madd | ouch. do you have all the libs? |
| 13:38:31 | Hymie | yeah |
| 13:38:34 | madd | hmmm |
| 13:38:34 | Hymie | its just the apm probs |
| 13:38:48 | madd | ah. i vaguely remember sth about that. |
| 13:39:04 | madd | i think you have to cross-compile the kernel with apm support enabled or sth. |
| 13:39:16 | madd | debian disables it by default i think |
| 13:39:17 | Hymie | hmm |
| 13:39:59 | madd | Hymie: are you a coder? |
| 13:40:16 | Hymie | yes |
| 13:40:56 | madd | ah. i have been having lotz of trouble finding how i can get a compiler on this thing. i have a 1GB udrive, any suggestions? |
| 13:41:07 | Hymie | woo, lots of space ;) |
| 13:41:21 | madd | yeah. if only i could use it the way i want to. |
| 13:41:25 | madd | lol |
| 13:41:39 | Hymie | well, gcc is probaby what you want, if familiar doesn't have it in it, I've heard that the arm debian distro is quite compatible.. not sure what you'd do to put them together |
| 13:42:00 | madd | ah. gcc is DEF what i want. |
| 13:42:26 | Hymie | h3600_apm_get_power_status: unable to access battery information |
| 13:42:27 | Hymie | +_)$#@+_)$# |
| 13:42:31 | Hymie | STOP TELLING ME |
| 13:42:46 | madd | yeah. i kept getting the same thing. |
| 13:43:06 | Hymie | madd: have you tried qpe? |
| 13:43:15 | madd | nah. wuzzat? |
| 13:43:43 | Hymie | just |
| 13:43:44 | Hymie | sec |
| 13:43:44 | Hymie | heheh |
| 13:43:47 | Hymie | gotta fix this |
| 13:43:49 | Hymie | driving me nuts |
| 13:43:50 | madd | kewl |
| 13:43:53 | madd | lol |
| 13:43:54 | mpakula | Hyie: do you know of some good IDE for GTK |
| 13:43:58 | madd | i totally understand. |
| 13:44:22 | madd | hmmm. dunno. i use emacs. |
| 13:44:32 | madd | jove on ipaq |
| 13:44:54 | madd | what windowmanager do u use? |
| 13:45:05 | Hymie | there |
| 13:45:06 | Hymie | heh |
| 13:45:07 | Hymie | fixed |
| 13:45:08 | Hymie | #()$@#$( |
| 13:45:10 | madd | very kewl |
| 13:45:15 | madd | ergh? |
| 13:45:23 | Hymie | frigin battery monitor is a bad thing if apm isn't working ok |
| 13:45:24 | Hymie | heh |
| 13:45:37 | Hymie | mpakula: I haven't really done any GTK coding at all |
| 13:45:55 | madd | GTK rox!!! |
| 13:46:02 | Hymie | madd: anyhow, qpe is the stuff that the sharp and other PDAs are coming out with |
| 13:46:16 | Hymie | madd: sort of a whole environment |
| 13:46:34 | madd | wait...is that that pure Java O/S? |
| 13:46:48 | Hymie | no, qt embedded |
| 13:46:53 | bipolar | is back (gone 11:33:54) |
| 13:46:55 | madd | k |
| 13:47:05 | Hymie | madd: its interesting because it seems to be all one package.. |
| 13:47:12 | Hymie | madd: but, as I said, the addressbook sucks ;) |
| 13:47:18 | madd | hmmm. i wonder if you could use a scaled down kdevelop with that. |
| 13:47:25 | madd | ah |
| 13:47:47 | bipolar | madd: You can use kdevelop to make qt/e-QPE apps. |
| 13:48:08 | madd | very kewl. |
| 13:48:22 | madd | i'll check that out. |
| 13:48:48 | Hymie | heh |
| 13:48:53 | Hymie | ppp worked perfectly |
| 13:48:56 | Hymie | no, ppp doesn't |
| 13:48:57 | Hymie | heh |
| 13:48:59 | madd | nice |
| 13:49:03 | Hymie | and no config changes i can see |
| 13:49:03 | Hymie | #$(@#_($)( |
| 13:49:48 | madd | i broke ppp when i installed the 0.5.1 stuff. |
| 13:49:53 | madd | 8( |
| 13:50:09 | madd | gotta fix that l8r |
| 13:53:11 | Hymie | heh |
| 13:53:12 | Hymie | there |
| 13:53:17 | Hymie | stupid modules weren't loaded |
| 13:53:36 | Hymie | so, anyone know anything about the ipaq 38xx, the kernel, and sound/apm stuff? |
| 13:53:49 | madd | ah. you have a 3875? |
| 13:53:56 | Hymie | 3850 |
| 13:54:08 | madd | wit da 16-bit display? |
| 13:54:11 | mpakula | cd idle* |
| 13:54:37 | Hymie | madd: yes, but since I never saw the 12 bit, I know not of a compare ;) |
| 13:54:49 | madd | yours looks a lot better. |
| 13:54:52 | madd | 8D |
| 13:54:53 | Hymie | cool |
| 13:55:11 | madd | your playing on the bleeding edge of familiar, tho. |
| 13:55:16 | Hymie | hmm |
| 13:55:17 | Hymie | well |
| 13:55:27 | Hymie | for example, I can't get my ipaq to go off ;) |
| 13:55:32 | madd | have you gotten bluetooth working? |
| 13:55:33 | Hymie | power just dims it |
| 13:55:34 | Hymie | heheh |
| 13:55:40 | Hymie | no bluetooth with the 50 |
| 13:55:43 | madd | ah |
| 13:55:56 | madd | all about 802.11b anywayz. |
| 13:56:00 | madd | lol |
| 13:56:25 | Hymie | madd: actually, I want to get the new cell phone/packet radio sleeve coming out |
| 13:56:44 | madd | have you seen the nexicam camera sleeve? |
| 13:56:54 | madd | fullscreen@30fps |
| 13:57:07 | madd | dunno if vic will work with it yet, tho |
| 13:57:19 | Hymie | hmm, not yet |
| 13:57:55 | Hymie | ImportError: libgtk-1.2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:57:56 | Hymie | hmm |
| 13:58:02 | Hymie | guess it didn't get all it needed, heh |
| 13:58:05 | Hymie | or there is a bad depend |
| 13:58:07 | madd | ln -s blah blah blah |
| 13:58:25 | Hymie | don't think I have gtk installed yet |
| 13:58:28 | madd | ah |
| 13:58:31 | madd | nevermind |
| 13:59:03 | Hymie | madd: I find it funny that mingle assumed I did though ;) |
| 13:59:04 | Hymie | like |
| 13:59:10 | Hymie | "wtf, are you INSANE!? No GTK?!" |
| 13:59:26 | Hymie | geez |
| 13:59:29 | Hymie | I don't want xlibs installed |
| 13:59:30 | Hymie | _#$(#@_$(@#)$( |
| 13:59:33 | madd | lol |
| 13:59:34 | Hymie | or glib |
| 13:59:35 | Hymie | #$(@#_ |
| 13:59:38 | Hymie | ffs |
| 13:59:42 | Hymie | dependancy nightmare |
| 13:59:57 | Hymie | "install mingle, you only need 4 megs of packages to use it!" ;PPP |
| 14:01:38 | madd | bingo |
| 14:02:16 | madd | damn!!! |
| 14:02:36 | madd | nevermind. these r debian cross-compile pkgs. |
| 14:02:45 | madd | thought they were native ARM pkgs |
| 14:07:25 | Hymie | erm |
| 14:07:29 | Hymie | this is odd |
| 14:07:42 | Hymie | it seems that this qpe CRAP!!!!!!!!! isn't acting as an X display ;) |
| 14:07:52 | Hymie | $+_)$#@+_ |
| 14:08:01 | Hymie | wonders what the point of it all is sometimes ;) |
| 14:08:42 | Hymie | what's the point of having a linux distro, but putting something on top that can't run the mirad of programs out there |
| 14:08:44 | Hymie | fools! |
| 14:09:10 | madd | reminds him that the rush you get once it works right makes it all worth it. |
| 14:09:13 | madd | lol |
| 14:09:47 | Hymie | madd: well, I don't think that's going to be happening this week.. I can't find any info on the 3800 and linux, the thing won't shut off or power save correctly |
| 14:09:58 | Hymie | madd: I'm sure it will eventually, but the community seems very fragmented |
| 14:10:06 | madd | tell me about it. |
| 14:10:17 | Hymie | madd: like, this is the only place I can find to find info, and there's no info here ;) |
| 14:10:18 | madd | the entire linux community seems to be falling apart as of late |
| 14:10:26 | Hymie | madd: er, not sure about that |
| 14:10:34 | madd | worries me sometimes. |
| 14:10:47 | beeblebrox | madd: it isnt that bad! |
| 14:10:56 | Hymie | madd: what observations lead you to that conclusion |
| 14:11:13 | madd | companies have been falling left and right. |
| 14:11:30 | madd | ppl seem to have a diff attitude in many chat rooms |
| 14:11:33 | Hymie | madd: oh... that. Companies are unimportant to the linux movement dude, don't sweat it |
| 14:11:39 | madd | true dat |
| 14:11:46 | beeblebrox | compannies were never a factor in the success of linux |
| 14:11:58 | madd | and this whole Hailstorm .net has me worried. |
| 14:12:06 | madd | but that is another topic |
| 14:12:18 | beeblebrox | chat rooms... i dont know, i just started frequenting chat rooms. |
| 14:12:28 | Hymie | ah well |
| 14:12:28 | madd | zaphod!!! |
| 14:12:30 | beeblebrox | but i have found some amazing people who are more than ready to help |
| 14:12:43 | beeblebrox | :) |
| 14:12:51 | madd | lol |
| 14:14:05 | madd | beeblebrox: you haven't heard of anyone setting up familiar for full-blown native development, have you? |
| 14:14:38 | beeblebrox | madd: you need intimate for that. |
| 14:15:04 | Hymie | beeblebrox: what's the difference between intimate and familiar? |
| 14:15:21 | beeblebrox | Hymie: intimate is a complete OS built over familiar. |
| 14:15:36 | madd | intimate requires at least a 340MB udrive or nfs or CF. |
| 14:15:42 | beeblebrox | it has things like a compiler, kde, etc.. basically uses the debian distribution. |
| 14:15:44 | madd | it's a much fuller distro |
| 14:16:02 | madd | if i could only get it to boot correctly. |
| 14:16:04 | madd | 8D |
| 14:16:11 | madd | with 0.5 |
| 14:16:57 | madd | beeblebrox: do you use intimate? |
| 14:17:22 | beeblebrox | madd: never tried.. you should talk to tangent. if and when he comes online |
| 14:17:30 | madd | ah |
| 14:17:54 | beeblebrox | madd: also, try #handhelds.org. you are more likely to get help there. |
| 14:18:21 | madd | i setup familiar sweet 3 times. everytime i installed intimate, it would break. |
| 14:18:42 | madd | i know it's me. but i dunno what i'm doing wrong. |
| 14:18:52 | madd | i'll ask Tangent, then. |
| 15:02:18 | | i heard glade was a Gtk GUI designer with an xml save format which is directly includable in a python script. There is now an ipaq port in the Dragon Feed, when a right click is needed on the ipaq, click the chekbox in the main project window labeled "Map Pen to RMB". See Also rmb |
| 15:02:18 | smartin | ibot glade |
| 15:02:48 | | somebody said Dragon feed was http://dragons.espsw.net/dragonfeed/ |
| 15:02:48 | smartin | ibot Dragon feed |
| 15:04:12 | | smartin: i'm not following you... |
| 15:04:12 | smartin | ibot rbm |
| 15:04:28 | | rmb is right mouse button |
| 15:04:28 | smartin | ibot rmb |
| 16:28:07 | CoolPops|Work | does anyone develop apps for Familiar? Which cross compiler do you use? |
| 16:29:48 | sjohnson | CoolPops|Work: Most use the toochain from handhelds.org |
| 16:31:20 | CoolPops|Work | sjohnson: but there are a few. One installs under /skif, then the beta which intsalls where ever. |
| 16:32:51 | DataShark | Hello, will familiar run on the 3850 iPaq? |
| 16:34:23 | CoolPops|Work | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/h3800.html |
| 16:34:36 | DataShark | danke. |
| 16:34:52 | CoolPops|Work | DataShark: thats the best I can do for ya, sorry |
| 16:36:05 | sjohnson | CoolPops|Work: I use the beta toolchain and most other people use the regular /skiff tool chains. Either will work. |
| 16:37:44 | sjohnson | DataShark: The kernel is booting on the 38xx. The touch screen works and it will charge the battery. But the rest of the devices are not working (i.e. SD slot, Sound, etc) |
| 16:37:47 | DataShark | Cool, you know anyone that has been (crazy?) to run linux on the 3850? |
| 16:38:03 | DataShark | sjohnson, so the page said.. |
| 16:38:26 | DataShark | has anyone been abel (or come up with a way) to dual boot windows and linux on the iPaq? |
| 16:38:34 | DataShark | s/abel/able |
| 16:39:36 | sjohnson | DataShark: YOu can do it with cyace, but your memory contents under WinCE are destroyed. It's as if you boot WinCE for the first time. |
| 16:40:07 | DataShark | sjohnson, every time or just after you dual part it? |
| 16:40:34 | sjohnson | Every time. |
| 16:41:04 | sjohnson | THe linux kernel will managle the memory |
| 16:41:38 | DataShark | ahh.. |
| 16:42:03 | DataShark | I have not niticed a page talking about hardware reqs. am I just missing it? |
| 16:42:12 | DataShark | noticed even.. |
| 16:42:26 | DataShark | i.e. does one _NEED_ a microdrive.. |
| 16:44:42 | Eagle_X | datashark: is a microdrive not the same like a compactflash card (from a protocol viev) ? |
| 16:46:27 | DataShark | Eagle_X,allow me to restate my question.. do you have to have a extra storage device in order to run <insert linux distro here>? |
| 16:46:52 | DataShark | extra storage being microdrive, CF, etc.. |
| 16:52:51 | DataShark | wooh00! my IDS has recorded 10583 IIS attempts over the weekend.. I realyl wish people would understand that we run _AIX_ servers.. not windows. |
| 16:53:50 | madd | lol |
| 16:54:36 | DataShark | Im thinking about just commenting that rule out.. I dont really need it.. |
| 16:54:44 | sjohnson | DataShark: You don't need external storage to load Linux. Familiar is a distribution that is loaded into the internal Flash memory of the IPAQ |
| 16:54:57 | DataShark | sjohnson, cool. |
| 16:55:30 | madd | who here has used the orinoco gold wireless card? |
| 16:55:30 | DataShark | sjohnson , is it still true that the dual pcmcia sleave does not work with the 3850 under linux? |
| 16:55:45 | DataShark | madd, I have.. but not on a ipaq.. |
| 16:56:20 | madd | what kinda range do they realistically have in an urban area with a lotta walls, etc? |
| 16:56:35 | sjohnson | DataShark: I've not heard that. The hardware should be work. But the 38xx might need a different sleeve drivers, which would come in due time. |
| 16:57:08 | DataShark | good deal.. |
| 16:58:18 | madd | DataShark: i have a linksys WAP. i'm waiting for the card...do you know what kinda range i can realistically get? |
| 16:58:44 | madd | without a booster/external antennae. |
| 16:58:54 | sjohnson | madd: It depends a lot on location conditiions. |
| 16:59:04 | madd | k |
| 16:59:17 | madd | DataShark: were you happy with that card? |
| 16:59:23 | DataShark | madd, the orinoco card is the best IMHO you get good range but alot of that depends on the AP.. |
| 16:59:24 | sjohnson | Theoertically 300 feet w/ 1-2MB xmit speed. |
| 16:59:33 | madd | nice |
| 17:00:05 | DataShark | you can attach a small external ant. on it and get better range.. and with a nice AP such as a cisco aeronet you get really gbood range.. |
| 17:00:20 | madd | define really good range. |
| 17:00:21 | DataShark | aironet even.. |
| 17:00:37 | Eagle_X | question: i have only a serial connection tu Hyperterminal and in a few days a CF expansion card for my 3850. how can i copy the install packages on my new installed familar?? |
| 17:00:39 | sjohnson | The Cisco AP's are the best when it comes to Range w/o any special antenna. |
| 17:00:48 | madd | k |
| 17:00:57 | DataShark | at DC9 last year I was getting 600-700 feet from the cisco AP with a small external ant. attached to my card. |
| 17:01:07 | madd | very kewl |
| 17:01:22 | sjohnson | Eagle_X: Just zmodel upload your .ipk's to the IPAQ. And then ipkg install /tmp/ipkg-name.ipkg |
| 17:01:27 | DataShark | madd, however a cisco ap will cost you like two years pay :> |
| 17:01:28 | sjohnson | ER zmodem. |
| 17:01:34 | madd | lol |
| 17:01:35 | madd | gotcha |
| 17:01:46 | DataShark | plus your left arm. |
| 17:01:49 | madd | lol |
| 17:02:07 | Eagle_X | sjonson: thx |
| 17:02:18 | sjohnson | madd: I've got am SMC/Link-Sys AP cards. I've been happy with range and reliablity for the cheap prive. |
| 17:03:09 | Eagle_X | sjonson: whats the command for zmodem receive on the familar? |
| 17:03:26 | DataShark | the compaw WL110 is a orinoco silver card re branded.. Im prolly going to pick one of those up.. |
| 17:03:42 | madd | Hymie: that's what i thought. hmmm. i checked deps. i seem to have all the net-related pkgs. is there a dns pkg i missed or sth? |
| 17:03:56 | Eagle_X | sjonson: RZ - i got it :) |
| 17:04:17 | madd | DataShark: does the SMC/Linksys card work with familiar? |
| 17:04:39 | DataShark | madd, I dont know.. I dont liuke the linksys cards however.. |
| 17:05:01 | madd | k |
| 17:05:08 | madd | I'll stick with the orinoco. |
| 17:05:58 | sjohnson | Eagle_X: You should need to start rz on IPAQ. It should start automagically when your start the zmodem upload from your term pgm |
| 17:06:13 | Eagle_X | thx |
| 17:17:38 | sjohnson | is away: lunch |
| 17:35:10 | DataShark | Compaq Research will ensure that you do not permanently turn your iPAQ into a paperweight, but it is very inconvenient for all of us if we have to fix a unit that was rendered nonbooting by a failed installation (or WinCE restoration). |
| 17:35:15 | DataShark | I love that line.. |
| 17:35:49 | bipolar | is away: going to pick up lunch... |
| 17:43:15 | DataShark | god I hope I dont turn my iPaq into a brick installing this.. :> |
| 17:44:27 | DataShark | umm.. |
| 17:44:36 | DataShark | my iPaq is not coming back on.. |
| 17:45:31 | DataShark | ok.. |
| 17:45:33 | DataShark | never mind.. |
| 17:45:38 | DataShark | just took a little bit ;> |
| 17:53:05 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:17:16) |
| 18:20:27 | CoolPops|Work | DataShark: did it work? |
| 18:20:49 | cmarqu | Hi |
| 18:21:20 | CoolPops|Work | sjohnson: are you a normal user or a developer with the familiar project? |
| 18:21:25 | CoolPops|Work | cmarqu: hi |
| 18:30:02 | DataShark | ool, yea.. |
| 18:30:18 | DataShark | cool, it worked.. Im installing the linux distro now.. |
| 18:39:25 | sjohnson | is back (gone 01:21:46) |
| 18:39:53 | sjohnson | CoolPops|Work: No just a Developer junst a tinkerer/power user. |
| 18:43:40 | DataShark | ok.. |
| 18:44:03 | DataShark | Im installing task-bootstrap.. how can I get the iPaq networked with windows? |
| 18:44:13 | DataShark | if I dont have a ethernet card for the iPaq? |
| 18:44:22 | DataShark | i.e. USB pt. |
| 18:50:43 | DataShark | I take it the backlight does not work on the 3800? |
| 18:51:12 | CoolPops|Work | DataShark: I think w/windows you have to use ppp and the serial port, but not 100% on that. |
| 18:51:21 | DataShark | ok.. |
| 18:51:46 | DataShark | however under linux I can just you USB.. |
| 18:51:59 | CoolPops|Work | DataShark: yup |
| 18:52:16 | DataShark | ok.. |
| 18:52:20 | DataShark | do you know about the backlight? |
| 19:35:51 | DeLiRioS | ay k joerse con la peņa... |
| 19:35:52 | DeLiRioS | xD |
| 20:14:33 | Anymosys | frf |
| 21:45:28 | Allawi | helloZ |
| 21:45:37 | pigeon | allawi: you might wanna try #handhelds.org :) |
| 21:45:45 | Allawi | hehe |
| 21:46:02 | Allawi | so many people .. yet only 2/3 chatting publicly! |
| 21:47:06 | pigeon | Usually people talk on #handhelds.org a lot. |
| 21:47:19 | Allawi | ok .. I'll try again .. thanks :)( |
| 22:01:27 | derrell | Hi. I just installed 0.5.1. It is unable to access my pcmcia hard drive |
| 22:01:49 | derrell | because ide_cs.o has unresolved symbols ide_register and ide_unregister. Any |
| 22:01:54 | derrell | idea what package those are in? |
| 22:02:59 | a7r | derrell: that's odd.. |
| 22:03:35 | derrell | a7r: i'd agree. :-) i would assume i'm not the only one with a pcmcia hard disk...??? |
| 22:06:17 | derrell | a7r: are you checking, by chance, to see where those symbols are defined? |
| 22:08:11 | a7r | derrell: no, I"m insulting someone about using poll versus select.. |
| 22:08:55 | derrell | a7r: hehe. old sysV guy, i guess. :-) can you point me at where i might start looking? |
| 22:09:13 | a7r | derrell: you probably want ide-modules |
| 22:09:20 | a7r | derrell: http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/result.phtml?query=ide&searchtype=file§ion= |
| 22:09:42 | derrell | thanks. gives me a place to look. cheers. |
| 22:09:55 | a7r | derrell: I just gave you the answer.. it's ide-modules. :) |
| 22:10:07 | a7r | http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/details.phtml?package=ide-modules-2.4.16-rmk1&id=43456 <- that package |
| 22:10:20 | derrell | right. thanks! |
| 22:16:56 | derrell | a7r: ok, as expected, that solved the problem. it seems that either ide-cs should *not* be included in the jffs image, or ide-modules *should* be, since ide-cs doesn't work without the other. |
| 22:17:33 | a7r | derrell: I think ide-cs should be broken out into its own package.. log a bug: |
| 22:17:38 | | hmmm... bugzilla is http://www.handhelds.org/bugzilla |
| 22:17:38 | a7r | ibot: bugzilla |
| 22:17:54 | derrell | a7r: wilco. |
| 22:20:00 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 22:21:06 | cworth | a7r: so did the recent xstroke (0.5.12) make it into 0.5.1? It would certainly be nice if so, (xstrok 0.5.11 had some nasty bugs that made recognition rates pretty miserable). |
| 22:21:35 | cworth | time for me to run. later all. |
| 22:23:19 | a7r | cworthAWAY: it's 11.. which is too bad.. |
| 22:23:32 | cworthAWAY | a7r: bummer. :( |
| 22:23:52 | a7r | that'll teach us to next time not release anywhere near unstable. :P |
| 22:38:56 | epac | does anyone know how to get gtk with such a small font as the screenshot at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpaqScreenShots (last one?) |
| 22:39:00 | a7r | kergoth: re.. |
| 22:39:04 | kergoth | Does ipk support Provides: or Conflicts: control file params? |
| 22:39:11 | kergoth | hey alex |
| 22:39:12 | a7r | kergoth: not yet. |
| 22:39:18 | kergoth | k, i suspected that :-) |
| 22:39:19 | kergoth | thanks |
| 22:40:17 | kergoth | a7r: are you going to end up creating a bootstrap loader for the Z now that tim riker made the new zaurus kernel patch available? ;-) |
| 22:40:39 | a7r | kergoth: some work needs to happen on the bootloader before I want to put work into it.. but yeah. |
| 22:40:54 | kergoth | a7r: okay, cool. :-) |
| 22:41:23 | a7r | kergoth: the word that I've heard is that OpenZaurus going to be packages on top of Familiar, so someone better get working on it. :> |
| 22:41:55 | cmarqu | epac: customize your ~/.gtkrc |
| 22:42:11 | kergoth | a7r: indeed. I heard openzaurus will be a standard base, using familiar. is the content of the bootstrap loader jffs2 image available? I could work on it, if I manage to get some time. |
| 22:43:15 | a7r | kergoth: yeah, there are tars online for all images. |
| 22:48:19 | AelfZonk | oooh it would be sweet to have an oz/familiar image to install |
| 22:50:39 | sjohnson | dragonzord |
| 22:51:25 | sjohnson | SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHSHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! IT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! SHIT! |
| 22:52:11 | Aelfweld | hmm |
| 22:52:33 | kergoth | sjohnson: probs? |
| 22:52:35 | sjohnson | Pardon. |
| 22:52:39 | kergoth | heh |
| 22:52:45 | sjohnson | Type a password in the wrong window. |
| 22:52:56 | a7r | sjohnson: you set your iPAQ on fire |
| 22:52:56 | kergoth | oh i HATE that |
| 22:52:58 | a7r | ? |
| 22:53:12 | a7r | haha |
| 23:28:41 | epac | i used to have familiar v4 and had to put CE back on it.. i have acess to the bootloader from HH, can i backup my wince from there ? |
| 23:36:40 | epac | nevermind.. |
| 23:39:13 | CoolPops | when compiling using either skiff's or beta I have probs with atexit, and multiple definitions of _end and _DYNAMIC ... anyone know whats going on? |
| 23:39:50 | CoolPops | I would like to develop some apps. Do I have to make env changes when using the cross compiler? |
| 23:42:30 | CoolPops | hello Morn |
| 23:48:51 | CoolPops | is anyone here a developer? |
| 23:49:00 | a7r | yup. |
| 23:49:22 | CoolPops | a7r: how do I make the cross compiler to work? |
| 23:49:50 | CoolPops | do I have to add anything to my env? |
| 23:50:17 | a7r | CoolPops: the instructions are online.. I don't use one. |
| 23:50:28 | CoolPops | a7r: how do u compile? |
| 23:50:34 | a7r | CoolPops: I have a Netwinder. |
| 23:50:37 | a7r | I compile natively. |
| 23:50:46 | CoolPops | a7r: on ur ipaq? |
| 23:50:53 | a7r | CoolPops: no, on my Netwinder. |
| 23:51:05 | CoolPops | a7r: whats that? |
| 23:51:17 | a7r | CoolPops: it's a StrongARM based computer originally built by Corel. |
| 23:51:56 | Morn | hi all |
| 23:52:14 | a7r | hey Morn. |
| 23:52:54 | CoolPops | hello |
| 23:53:26 | CoolPops | Im experiencing probs compiling Qtopia. It errs on Addressbook. :( |