| 00:08:47 | CoolPops | ah. I think I figured it out. Like in most cases, user error :( |
| 00:09:39 | CoolPops | Hey, have you guys seen think geeks new teeshirt? it says: SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0 |
| 00:09:54 | CoolPops | 0 records found |
| 00:10:03 | CoolPops | hehe |
| 00:17:04 | sven | is away: gaming! |
| 01:12:58 | CoolPops | Morn: what environment do you use with your ipaq? |
| 01:13:15 | Morn | CoolPops: I use qpe |
| 01:13:46 | CoolPops | Morn: cool. that's what I aw using. 1.5 or 1.4? |
| 01:13:59 | Morn | 1.5 from Bipolar's feed |
| 01:14:34 | CoolPops | who is Bipolar? I used qpe from source forge. Is there a difference? |
| 01:14:54 | Morn | Bipolar is one of the users here (nick bipolar_away right now) |
| 01:15:03 | Morn | he compiles and packages out of cvs |
| 01:15:06 | SadEagle | just switched to opie feed.. |
| 01:15:06 | Morn | it's more uptodate |
| 01:15:24 | CoolPops | Morn: ah. I am building right now from cvs. |
| 01:15:40 | Morn | beware that often cvs won't even build |
| 01:16:07 | CoolPops | Morn: I purchased a 3765 and put Qtopia on it so I can develop apps |
| 01:16:16 | Morn | great |
| 01:16:22 | CoolPops | Morn: it built ok for me. whew. |
| 01:16:40 | Morn | I need to package my stuff for the commapi under the iPAQ |
| 01:17:17 | CoolPops | Morn: I built it for x86 - fb. that worked, now it's going through the arm build. |
| 01:18:41 | CoolPops | Morn: do you know anyone working on a voice notepad for qpe? I really, really. really like that feature of win_ce. tahts the only thing I miss. |
| 01:18:57 | Morn | I have no idea |
| 01:19:15 | Morn | there is so much in the works with the whole trolltech contest |
| 01:19:53 | SadEagle | loves the new qipkg ver in the opie feed... |
| 01:20:31 | CoolPops | Morn: yeah. I found a daemon memorec. its about 125 lines. I think I'll convert that over to qpe, maybe see if I can integrate it with the volume control. |
| 01:21:00 | CoolPops | Is their a url that tells me the diff feeds? |
| 01:21:15 | SadEagle | It's somewhere in the wiki on handhelds.org |
| 01:21:30 | CoolPops | tnx. i'll take a peek |
| 01:21:58 | SadEagle | But opie is opie.handhelds.org, link from there -- opie is a version of qpe which I guess is the future of the environment |
| 01:23:54 | CoolPops | oh, I also want to modify the keyboard app to hadle diff key layouts like dvorak! |
| 01:24:15 | CoolPops | whew. arm build is done! |
| 01:27:50 | CoolPops | I had fun at work today. I droped my ipaq into my cradle, then went to another computer and showed people that it showed up in Network Neighborhood, then they were really amazed when I went to it with a web browser, then with notepad edited a .html via samba and immediately saw the changes :) |
| 01:54:34 | CoolPops | is their a way I can do an ipkg and display only what I have installed? |
| 01:58:27 | CoolPops | is there an easy way to uninstall qpe? |
| 02:06:46 | CoolPops | any way to tell by ipkg only what is installed? |
| 02:14:19 | CoolPops | /usr/lib/ipkg/status |
| 02:22:04 | CoolPops | hey on the cradle, in the rear there is a little button. whats that do? |
| 03:23:21 | bipolar | is back (gone 05:03:20) |
| 03:26:44 | CoolPops | hey guys, I got a dvorak keyboard now! whoppie! |
| 03:37:01 | CoolPops | sjohnson: I managed to setup cvs'd qpe on my desktop, then compile and install my cvs onto my ipaq :) |
| 03:37:22 | sjohnson | CoolPops: Excellent |
| 03:37:55 | CoolPops | sjohnson: I even hacked the keyboard and made another input method, dvorak :) |
| 03:39:11 | sjohnson | CoolPops: You should subit your changes for OPIE. I'm sure other would be glad to have them. |
| 03:40:04 | CoolPops | sjohnson: question about developing for pda's. I could make the keyboard read a config file so you could set it up however you wanted, but that would add size to the applet, and most would never use the addition feature. |
| 03:40:42 | CoolPops | so, do you add it, or do you make a compile time flag and compile two diff applets? etc... |
| 03:41:19 | sjohnson | Actually I think that would be an excellent idea. You have to realize that not every in the wourld uses a the same keyboards. |
| 03:41:44 | CoolPops | yeah, too bad we all dont use dvorak :( |
| 03:41:47 | CoolPops | hehehe |
| 03:55:55 | CoolPops | in creating a new program, the tutorial says run progen ... I cannot find it. |
| 04:11:54 | CoolPops | how do u make tmake create a Makefile for Arm? |
| 04:21:24 | bipolar_ZzZzZz | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 09:15:36 | debugger | bootblaster says "valid OHH bootloader found" after program, can I reset my ipaq now? |
| 09:18:39 | debugger | i dont have a good feeling about this |
| 09:24:51 | a7r | debugger: are you following the instructions? |
| 09:25:54 | debugger | trying to |
| 09:26:20 | debugger | well i get a penguin :) |
| 09:26:44 | debugger | i think that there is no other risky step ahead |
| 09:27:42 | debugger | a7r: am i right? |
| 09:28:02 | a7r | debugger: yeah, it'll live.. unless you intentionally set it on fire or something. |
| 09:28:27 | Ng | pay all that money and it's not even fire proof, tsk ;) |
| 09:28:58 | debugger | phew ! ;) |
| 09:29:43 | debugger | now my serial cable needs Rx/Tx swapping cuz I made it reverse to be useful with my GPS :( |
| 09:32:54 | debugger | is there a way to use an external USR modem with ipaq/familiar or qtopia? |
| 09:34:03 | debugger | i also tried a siemens c35i mobile phone when having pocketpc but both failed |
| 09:37:13 | debugger | yahoo... got my serial cable working :) shit this wince throws "CLIENT" every second |
| 09:40:27 | debugger | is it normal to take 27 minutes to transfer bootserial.jffs2?? |
| 09:54:58 | Astra | test |
| 09:58:13 | Astra | maybe something wrong with my setting... |
| 09:58:38 | debugger | why do you think so? |
| 09:58:42 | Astra | I see many people here but I can't see any message.. |
| 09:59:08 | Astra | Hi debugger....finally I see your message... |
| 09:59:20 | Astra | I am new in IRC...the first time... |
| 09:59:24 | debugger | me too, I am here during my install on h3100 and no body wants to throw some light |
| 09:59:43 | debugger | oh and how come #familiar? ipaq owner? |
| 10:00:03 | debugger | no one is sending any messages actually ;) |
| 10:00:20 | Astra | ya...I read article in www.handhelds.org |
| 10:00:44 | Astra | and i try to port familiar linux on ipaq... |
| 10:01:12 | debugger | you mean install? |
| 10:01:23 | Astra | ya... |
| 10:01:46 | Astra | sorry for my poor English... |
| 10:01:54 | debugger | no problem |
| 10:02:09 | debugger | where do you stand I have some experience by now ;) |
| 10:02:23 | debugger | 5 minutes remaining on my root installation :) |
| 10:02:59 | Astra | at the final step, when I type "ipkg update" to update some package... |
| 10:03:19 | Astra | it's not work... |
| 10:03:38 | debugger | got ppp or network working? |
| 10:03:46 | Astra | maybe it can't pass our company's firewall... |
| 10:04:12 | Astra | ya...it can work in local network...but can't pass firewall... |
| 10:04:19 | debugger | have a cable? copy them on your machine |
| 10:04:39 | debugger | somewhere in apache's tree and install from there |
| 10:04:41 | Astra | ya...I think so...but there is 2 problems... |
| 10:05:21 | Astra | first, where to get the update files(i mean where and which files that I need to get) |
| 10:05:49 | Astra | and where to put in ipaq directory |
| 10:05:50 | debugger | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/packages/armv4l/ |
| 10:06:02 | debugger | i copied the whole directory |
| 10:06:55 | debugger | just share them on your local web server |
| 10:07:20 | debugger | IPKG_SOURCE="http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/" |
| 10:07:34 | debugger | change this line to point to the location you placed them at |
| 10:08:21 | debugger | take a look at http://qpe.sourceforge.net/ipaq.html |
| 10:08:29 | Astra | you mean in ipkg.conf ? |
| 10:08:39 | debugger | yup |
| 10:10:10 | Astra | these days I still thinking how to transfer files from desktop to ipaq... |
| 10:10:38 | debugger | ftp |
| 10:10:40 | Astra | but I have no way to do this... |
| 10:10:59 | debugger | how long did your first boot take? |
| 10:11:08 | Astra | but i can't use ftp on ipaq... |
| 10:11:13 | debugger | mine is stuck at:Generating SSH DSA host key (this is slow, please be patient)... |
| 10:11:17 | debugger | Generating DSA parameter and key. |
| 10:11:23 | debugger | why not? |
| 10:11:46 | Astra | when i type ftp, it shows command not found |
| 10:12:31 | Astra | because I haven't run ipkg update, right ? |
| 10:12:49 | debugger | yes |
| 10:13:13 | debugger | use rz on ipaq and minicom zmodem upload from linux |
| 10:14:08 | Astra | I will go to trying your solution... |
| 10:14:24 | debugger | ok |
| 10:14:29 | Astra | you help me very much...I have tried for 1 weeks and no one can help me |
| 10:14:35 | Astra | thank you very much... |
| 10:14:55 | debugger | you are welcome |
| 10:15:16 | Astra | and how can I contact with you next time ? |
| 10:17:30 | debugger | sent my email addr to you in pvt. got it? |
| 10:18:33 | Astra | wait I see |
| 10:20:02 | Astra | not yet... |
| 10:20:39 | Astra | but I can see your info here...that's mail right ? |
| 10:21:47 | debugger | tasnim_ahmed@yahoo.com |
| 10:22:41 | Astra | got it... |
| 10:22:52 | Astra | thank you again...and nice to meet you... |
| 10:23:32 | debugger | no problem, best of luck |
| 10:23:55 | Astra | ^__^ |
| 12:06:53 | debugger | help: how to send kernel boot parameters??? |
| 12:35:41 | | i guess cvs is Concurrent Versions System |
| 12:35:41 | mpakula | ibot cvs |
| 12:43:47 | debugger | any h31xx ppl here, need some help. please |
| 12:46:12 | | ssh-keygen is something you need to run to setup my ipaq's host keys. To do this run the following on my ipaq:'/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ""' and '/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -d -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N ""' |
| 12:46:12 | mpakula | ibot ssh-keygen |
| 13:46:52 | bipolar | is back (gone 09:25:26) |
| 14:47:42 | mpakula | terrys: let me know when you free for call |
| 15:17:48 | kergoth | re |
| 16:35:08 | kergoth | hm can someone tell me where i can grab .. well what amounts to the contents of the bootstrap loader jffs2 images? |
| 16:39:04 | DaveH | Dose anyone know much about getting the xcompile kernel from CVS and building against it ? |
| 16:43:32 | sjohnson | DaveH: See http://handhelds.org/sources.html for instructions for getting kernel from CVS |
| 16:44:29 | sjohnson | Building is -> make h3600-config; make oldconfig; make zImage ; make modules |
| 16:47:39 | DaveH | Ive got the kernel I was following the toolchain instructions to build all the dependencys and came up with a number of pointer reference errors |
| 16:48:23 | DaveH | Ill try again doing the make h3600-config first thanks |
| 17:11:22 | DaveH | sjohnson: I do make h3600-config and get no rules error back .. do I have the wronge version or sumthing ? |
| 17:12:40 | sjohnson | DaveH: I probably have the wrong target name. I'm was quoting from memory. grep 3600 Makefile to find the realtarget name |
| 17:14:12 | DaveH | 3600 isnt in the Makefile at all ? |
| 17:15:27 | sjohnson | All it does is copy arch/arm/def-configs/h3600 to .config. |
| 17:15:47 | sjohnson | But gotta go now. |
| 17:15:49 | sjohnson | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:20:53 | kergoth | anyone know where i can grab the contents of the jffs2 bootstrap images? |
| 17:41:37 | bipolar_lunch | is away: going to pick up lunch |
| 17:52:13 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:10:36) |
| 18:32:15 | DaveH | is away: I'm busy |
| 19:17:39 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:01:51) |
| 19:53:26 | DocBurner | can someone help me with a quick question? |
| 20:03:41 | DaveH | DocBurner: I can try ? |
| 20:04:04 | DocBurner | ok..which ipaq should I use? |
| 20:04:26 | DaveH | To run familiar ? |
| 20:05:18 | DocBurner | yeah |
| 20:08:33 | DaveH | Ok well the 3800 series is not yet fully supported but posibly worth waiting. 3700 is the better of the color options 3100 is mono only ? I have a 3765 .. 3600 only tend to have 16mb flash and 32mb memory I think |
| 20:09:24 | DocBurner | I just want it to be work |
| 20:10:03 | DaveH | Anything but the 3800s then 38xxs will not be usable for a while .. Id go for the 3765 again |
| 20:10:50 | DaveH | familiar is still a little way from being a compleate PDA replacement though |
| 20:10:52 | BBrox | The two big advantages of the 38xx are real 65536 colors and multi-key presses |
| 20:11:05 | DocBurner | ok |
| 20:11:13 | DaveH | nods and the sdcard slot once its supported under linux |
| 20:11:23 | DocBurner | do you know if the socket serial cards work under linux? |
| 20:11:36 | DaveH | ? |
| 20:11:42 | BBrox | After, it's just an evolution of the 36/37xx, not a 'revolution'. |
| 20:11:49 | BBrox | For that, we need to wait for the XScale versions :-) |
| 20:12:05 | DaveH | That would be NICE! |
| 20:12:23 | DaveH | what speed is xscale planned at ? |
| 20:12:40 | BBrox | Well, at least I hope the next one will be XScale based... |
| 20:12:51 | BBrox | According to what I read, 'base' speed should be about 400 MHz |
| 20:13:26 | DaveH | That will be cool + fpu suopport will increase the stuff we can pull accross .... Quake on an ipaq ;-> |
| 20:13:39 | BBrox | No FPU support in the XScale AFAIK |
| 20:14:06 | DaveH | Oh I thought that was the main feature on xscale ? |
| 20:14:49 | DaveH | darn .. anyway gotta go shop |
| 20:16:14 | BBrox | http://www.intel.com/design/intelxscale/benefits.htm?iid=xscale+leftnav& |
| 20:16:26 | BBrox | They integrate some SIMD intructions though :-) |
| 20:17:16 | BBrox | FPU is too coslty in voltage / size for little usage on a PDA |
| 20:19:38 | BBrox | And well, conspiracy theorists say that a XScale with FPU would concurrence the x86 :-) |
| 20:21:51 | DaveH | Grins .. |
| 20:52:13 | CoolPops | Anyone know how I can turn up the mic gain? |
| 20:53:04 | Microdim|IBM | ok one question, is it easy to restore windows ce once you have erased it with linux? |
| 20:54:01 | CoolPops | no. just be sure to save the wince partiton. |
| 20:54:09 | CoolPops | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/wincerestoration.html |
| 20:54:29 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: however, why would you :) |
| 20:56:41 | sjohnson | CoolPops: Mic gain would be an a mixer ioctl call. None of the mixers apps currently handles that. |
| 20:56:55 | Microdim|IBM | I am not sure if all my hardware is supported |
| 20:57:14 | Microdim|IBM | if any of you guys want a challange I got one for you |
| 20:57:14 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: What hw do you have? |
| 20:57:24 | CoolPops | sjohnson: ok. will look into sound programming on linux. |
| 20:57:57 | sjohnson | CoolPops: OSS programming is want your want to look for. |
| 20:58:24 | kergoth | a7r: ping |
| 20:58:26 | Microdim|IBM | I have a dual PCMCIA Sleeve, a Click drive, a Linksys Wirless network card, I have a socket Network card, I have a stowaway keyboard and a microdrive 340 but I know the microdrive works |
| 20:59:06 | a7r | kergoth: hey.. |
| 20:59:13 | cworth | greetings a7r |
| 20:59:19 | a7r | hey cworth.. |
| 20:59:44 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: They all should work. |
| 21:00:02 | Microdim|IBM | ok cool, what about infra red |
| 21:00:11 | kergoth | a7r: where would i obtain the contents of the jffs2 bootstrap loaders? yoj mentioned it was avail, but i havent been able to find it |
| 21:00:14 | Microdim|IBM | and sound of cource works right? |
| 21:00:43 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: IRDA works. And sound workd like a champ. |
| 21:01:12 | sjohnson | Primary usage for my IPAQ are MP3 players and surfing the 'Net from my couch. |
| 21:01:32 | a7r | kergoth: alongside the bootstrap images in: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/install/H3600 |
| 21:01:39 | Microdim|IBM | cool, you have been alot of help thank you, would you mind if later I asked you a bunch of questions I know I will have some |
| 21:01:46 | CoolPops | sjohnson: my mp3 playing is chopy, is it good on your ipaq? |
| 21:02:11 | kergoth | a7r: thanks :-) |
| 21:02:25 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: Sure. Also try #handhelds.org. More people there generally. And be patient. No every is at their keyboard. |
| 21:02:46 | sjohnson | CoolPops: Using QPE? |
| 21:02:55 | CoolPops | sjohnson: yes |
| 21:03:29 | sjohnson | CoolPops: That's been a problem for my also when I used it. I don't know what the fix would be. |
| 21:03:40 | sjohnson | QTopis switch to a different media player. |
| 21:03:45 | sjohnson | ...for the Zaurus |
| 21:03:53 | CoolPops | sjohnson: how else do you play yhem? |
| 21:04:05 | CoolPops | them (mp3s) |
| 21:04:11 | sjohnson | I use Scream. |
| 21:04:42 | CoolPops | is Scream X based or console? |
| 21:05:27 | sjohnson | X based. |
| 21:05:44 | sjohnson | It's really just a frontend for madplay command line pgm. |
| 21:06:10 | CoolPops | sjohnson: hum. maybe I should look into madplay then :) |
| 21:06:27 | sjohnson | CoolPops: Are you using a microdrive to hold your MP3s? |
| 21:06:48 | CoolPops | sjohnson: no. I just put one on to see the performance. |
| 21:07:12 | CoolPops | it's right in the root dir :) (3765 has 64m though). |
| 21:07:45 | sjohnson | My MP3 playing was choppy using the uDrive, because the Mediaplay want prebuffering the MP3s |
| 21:11:59 | derrell | Hi. I'm trying to learn the startup procedure used by familiar/intimate, as my pcmcia hard drive works on familiar but intimate boot can't find it. Can someone explain the mechanism of cardctl to get the pcmcia cards going? |
| 21:14:46 | CoolPops | sjohnson: got it. just dnlded a text based mixer example, compiled it with arm and all worked like a champ! |
| 21:15:15 | CoolPops | sjohnson: I feel a little more advanced mixer app coming for qpe |
| 21:15:46 | sjohnson | Heh |
| 21:15:59 | sjohnson | Why not X? sniff, sniff |
| 21:16:30 | CoolPops | sjohnson: X does not have all the stuff yet for a pda. |
| 21:16:54 | CoolPops | sjohnson: what do u use for notes, todo, contacts, calendar? |
| 21:17:32 | cworth | CoolPops: The "storm" program is coming along nicely for that kind of thing, (and there are others). |
| 21:17:42 | derrell | coolpops: emacs, emacs, emacs, and emacs. :-) |
| 21:18:33 | CoolPops | derrell: I could not find emacs for the arm and Im not having luck compiling it. I would love to. |
| 21:18:36 | sjohnson | CoolPops: Yes they are there, but not as mature as Qtopis/Opie. |
| 21:19:15 | CoolPops | guys, another reason I am using qpe is because I use Qt on windows and linux. |
| 21:19:18 | derrell | coolpops: as soon as i get intimate to boot, xemacs is my next project. |
| 21:19:40 | cworth | CoolPops: jove on the iPAQ gives a very coarse approximation of emacs. |
| 21:19:40 | CoolPops | derrell: hehe. I only have 64mb |
| 21:20:10 | derrell | cworth: too coarse, unfortunately. |
| 21:22:09 | derrell | So are any of you able to help me figure out why familiar sets up my pcmcia cards correctly to create /dev/hda*, but intimate can't? I just need some pointers on how the process works. |
| 21:22:14 | cmarqu | derrell: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PocketEmacs |
| 21:22:38 | derrell | cmarqu: thanks. I'll look. |
| 21:25:12 | Microdim|IBM | I am trying to flash my root file system, I typed in load root, it is now sitting there with the words "xmodem ready for download" with dollar signs underneath, what do I do? |
| 21:25:15 | Microdim|IBM | I am trying to flash my root file system, I typed in load root, it is now sitting there with the words "xmodem ready for download" with dollar signs underneath, what do I do? |
| 21:25:40 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: you better read the install docs |
| 21:25:46 | a7r | Microdim|IBM: you initiate as xmodem transfer from your host to your iPAQ, per the instructions. |
| 21:25:51 | a7r | s/as/a/ |
| 21:26:20 | CoolPops | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/install/H3600/install.html |
| 21:27:39 | Microdim|IBM | if I turn it into a brick then what do I do next? |
| 21:28:02 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: I dont think u will at this point. |
| 21:28:08 | cworth | Microdim|IBM: if you're at a "boot>" prompt, then you are past the brick danger. :) |
| 21:28:22 | CoolPops | the bootloader obviously loaded ok. thats the touchy part. |
| 21:28:22 | Microdim|IBM | AM I REALLY !!! :) :) :) |
| 21:28:53 | cworth | Microdim|IBM: indeed. load root is always safe. |
| 21:29:06 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: from here out follow the install very closely and you'll do fine. |
| 21:29:29 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: u did backup your win ce partiton, right? |
| 21:29:33 | Microdim|IBM | Thank you so much guys |
| 21:29:45 | Microdim|IBM | yes I did, with bootblaster |
| 21:29:55 | Microdim|IBM | is that enough |
| 21:30:06 | Microdim|IBM | I also backed up the bootloader |
| 21:30:13 | cworth | Microdim|IBM: so did you figure out how to start the xmodem transfer in your terminal program? |
| 21:30:14 | CoolPops | yes... you copied it to ur pc? |
| 21:30:25 | Microdim|IBM | tup to my desktop |
| 21:30:34 | Microdim|IBM | Yes I figured it out |
| 21:31:43 | Microdim|IBM | actually you use hyperterm, and you goto send file right? |
| 21:32:38 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: yes. Hyperterm is changing its % complete right? |
| 21:33:01 | Microdim|IBM | well what mode do I use to send it? |
| 21:33:22 | CoolPops | xmodem |
| 21:34:25 | Microdim|IBM | ok it has a progress bar and it is copying the bootstrap file |
| 21:34:55 | Microdim|IBM | am I doing ok |
| 21:34:57 | Microdim|IBM | ? |
| 21:35:02 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: your doing fine then. |
| 21:35:28 | Microdim|IBM | it will take about 20 mins? |
| 21:35:32 | CoolPops | 20 min or so right? |
| 21:35:34 | CoolPops | hehe |
| 21:35:49 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: At this point your can royally screw up. and not worry. You can always redo things. |
| 21:36:21 | Microdim|IBM | ok cool, I apreciate all of your help guys, Thank you |
| 21:37:11 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: The important thing to remember that as long as you have a working bootldr, you don't have a brick. And it's very hard to trash the bootldr |
| 21:38:38 | Microdim|IBM | OK cool, I am going to be so happy when I have Linux on here |
| 21:38:38 | CoolPops | sjohnson: madplay works beautiful |
| 21:40:09 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: I have samba running, drop it in the cradle and it pops up on the network neighbourhood. pretty cool stuff. ssh, thttp, all sorts of things u can do. |
| 21:41:33 | Microdim|IBM | you running windows on your desktop machine? |
| 21:42:10 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: no, but all my companys desktops are windows except mine :) |
| 21:42:28 | CoolPops | I used it as an example to show off linux... |
| 21:47:55 | CoolPops | in qtopia, where are the file associations setup? |
| 21:50:29 | sjohnson | CoolPops: There is a .desktop... file somewhere in the /root/ qtopia directories |
| 21:50:46 | Microdim|IBM | to install familiar, do I need my microdrive? |
| 21:51:11 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: No. Familiar lives in the internal Flash of the IPAQ. |
| 21:51:22 | Microdim|IBM | all of it? |
| 21:51:26 | Microdim|IBM | even x? |
| 21:51:53 | sjohnson | Well the core stuff does. You can't load everything in the feed in flash. not enoug room. |
| 21:52:13 | sjohnson | But X does live in flash. |
| 21:52:55 | Microdim|IBM | when the transfer is done how long does it take to install? |
| 21:54:39 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: Depends on your Internet link speed. The familiar-complete install is around 25MB of stuff (this include stuff in the bootdtrap image) |
| 21:55:09 | Microdim|IBM | I have dsl |
| 21:57:34 | Microdim|IBM | ok I got an erase error, what did I do? |
| 21:58:00 | sjohnson | 3670? |
| 21:58:20 | Microdim|IBM | 3635 |
| 21:58:37 | Microdim|IBM | Am I supposed to install the files from 2 - 4 |
| 21:58:46 | Microdim|IBM | or just one of the files? |
| 21:58:53 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: What are you installing? |
| 21:59:14 | Microdim|IBM | Familiar v0.5.1 task-bootstrap.jffs2 |
| 21:59:48 | sjohnson | What do you mean "the files from 2-4"? |
| 22:00:17 | Microdim|IBM | on this web site http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/install/H3600/install.html |
| 22:00:34 | Microdim|IBM | there is the bootloader file then the other 3 files |
| 22:00:39 | sjohnson | OK. I'm just trying to get on the same page as your are |
| 22:00:48 | Microdim|IBM | i know |
| 22:01:52 | Microdim|IBM | wich files am I supposed to send to my device? |
| 22:02:35 | sjohnson | You just need to send one of the task-bootxxx.jffs2 files to you ipaq. |
| 22:02:56 | sjohnson | Pick the one that best suits you needs for further loading. |
| 22:03:07 | Microdim|IBM | ok I did and it gave me an error |
| 22:03:17 | Microdim|IBM | programming flash...erasing ... |
| 22:03:17 | Microdim|IBM | Erasing sector 00040000 |
| 22:03:17 | Microdim|IBM | eraseSector error |
| 22:03:17 | Microdim|IBM | sectorAddress=00040000 |
| 22:03:17 | Microdim|IBM | flashContents=EA0003FE |
| 22:03:17 | Microdim|IBM | status=00A200A2 |
| 22:03:20 | Microdim|IBM | timeout=01312CFD |
| 22:03:22 | Microdim|IBM | erase error! |
| 22:04:13 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: Try loading it again. If it happends again, you need to help of the Big Boys at CRL. jamey or france on #handhelds.org or use the mailing lists - handhelds or ipaq |
| 22:04:31 | sjohnson | flash memory problem as a bit yeond me. |
| 22:04:39 | sjohnson | er, beyond me. |
| 22:05:33 | Microdim|IBM | I type in "load root" right? |
| 22:09:07 | sjohnson | yes. load root and then start the xmodem upload |
| 22:50:15 | Microdim|IBM | status=00A200A2 this means the flash is protected, to fix the problem just type in pflash 0 1 0 and then proceed with the flash |
| 22:51:30 | sjohnson | Microdim|IBM: I say. I'm on #handhelds.org also. ;> |
| 22:51:51 | | i guess 00a200a2 is flash locked error |
| 22:51:51 | sjohnson | ibot: 00a200a2? |
| 22:52:10 | | sjohnson: I forgot 00a200a2 |
| 22:52:10 | sjohnson | ibot: forget 00a200a2 |
| 22:53:03 | | OK, sjohnson. |
| 22:53:03 | sjohnson | ibot: 00a200a2 (or status=status=00A200A2) is the flash is protected, to fix the problem just type in pflash 0 1 0 and then proceed with the flash |
| 22:53:16 | | sjohnson, I didn't have anything matching '00a200a2 (or status=status=00a200a2) ' |
| 22:53:16 | sjohnson | ibot: forget 00a200a2 (or status=status=00A200A2) |
| 22:53:28 | | sjohnson: huh? |
| 22:53:28 | sjohnson | ibot: 00a200a2 |
| 22:53:39 | | sjohnson: I forgot 00a200a2 (or status=status=00a200a2) |
| 22:53:39 | sjohnson | ibot: forget 00a200a2 (or status=status=00A200A2) |
| 22:54:02 | | OK, sjohnson. |
| 22:54:02 | sjohnson | ibot: 00a200a2 is the flash is protected, to fix the problem just type in pflash 0 1 0 and then proceed with the flash |
| 22:55:03 | | Since Mon Feb 4 05:09:14 2002, there have been 50 modifications and 101 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 17 hours, 45 minutes, 49 seconds this session, and currently reference 4245 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 22:55:03 | sjohnson | ibot: status=00A200A2 is <reply> 00A200A2 |
| 22:55:21 | | Since Mon Feb 4 05:09:14 2002, there have been 50 modifications and 102 questions. I have been awake for 1 day, 17 hours, 46 minutes, 7 seconds this session, and currently reference 4245 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 22:55:21 | sjohnson | ibot: status=00A200A2 |
| 22:55:41 | sjohnson | heh. |
| 22:55:46 | sjohnson | ibot is stupid |
| 22:55:58 | | sjohnson, I didn't have anything matching 'status=00a200a2' |
| 22:55:58 | sjohnson | ibot: forget status=00A200A2 |
| 22:56:24 | Microdim|IBM | that bot is so cool, if that is what it is :) |
| 22:58:07 | sjohnson | yea, ibot is a nice IRC bot that Tangent installed |
| 22:58:38 | sjohnson | He's good a remebering things. |
| 22:58:50 | sjohnson | And making excuses |
| 22:59:04 | | sjohnson: Bad cafeteria food landed all the sysadmins in the hospital. |
| 22:59:04 | sjohnson | ibot: excuse |
| 22:59:07 | | ACTION passes out drunk. |
| 22:59:07 | cmarqu | ibot: drink beer |
| 22:59:26 | | cmarqu: sorry... |
| 22:59:26 | cmarqu | ibot: get sober |
| 22:59:27 | | :) |
| 22:59:27 | sjohnson | ibot: botsnack! |
| 23:00:14 | cmarqu | Google search seemed broken though |
| 23:00:24 | cmarqu | ibot: search google for ipaq |
| 23:00:28 | | cmarqu: Google can't find ipaq |
| 23:00:34 | cmarqu | :/ |
| 23:00:53 | | sjohnson: what? |
| 23:00:53 | sjohnson | ibot: search on google for ipaq |
| 23:00:57 | sjohnson | ibot: search google for ipaq |
| 23:01:00 | | sjohnson: Google can't find ipaq |
| 23:01:30 | cmarqu | I think a special bot could be useful for remembering stuff on PDAs |
| 23:01:50 | cmarqu | ibot: help search |
| 23:02:10 | sjohnson | cmarqu: They are called Intellient Agents. |
| 23:02:13 | cmarqu | ibot: search lycos for ipaq |
| 23:02:48 | cmarqu | sjohnson: that's what they sell them as nowadays :) |
| 23:03:14 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 23:03:21 | | :) |
| 23:03:22 | cmarqu | ibot: botsnack |
| 23:03:47 | cmarqu | ibot: search Magellan for ipaq |
| 23:04:14 | cmarqu | Hmm, why doesn't it answer at all?... |
| 23:05:14 | Microdim|IBM | does he answer to anybody? |
| 23:05:35 | cmarqu | misure. |
| 23:05:40 | cmarqu | Microdim|IBM: sure. |
| 23:05:55 | Microdim|IBM | 07«10ibot07» Brick |
| 23:06:05 | cmarqu | Microdim|IBM: you can also msg her privately |
| 23:06:18 | | Send email to mailto:bootldr@handhelds.org with details if you believe that you have bricked your ipaq |
| 23:06:18 | cmarqu | ibot: brick |
| 23:06:37 | cmarqu | Microdim|IBM: is it your color settings? |
| 23:07:08 | Microdim|IBM | I dont know |
| 23:07:42 | sjohnson | Might your prompt chars < > |
| 23:07:49 | | :) |
| 23:07:49 | sjohnson | ibot botsnack |
| 23:07:55 | sjohnson | <ibot> beer |
| 23:08:05 | | Send email to mailto:bootldr@handhelds.org with details if you believe that you have bricked your ipaq |
| 23:08:05 | Microdim|IBM | ibot brick |
| 23:08:35 | | :) |
| 23:08:35 | Microdim|IBM | ibot botsnack |
| 23:08:41 | Microdim|IBM | ok that is cool |
| 23:14:42 | Microdim|IBM | does this mean it is done? |
| 23:14:43 | Microdim|IBM | programming flash...erasing ... |
| 23:14:43 | Microdim|IBM | Erasing sector 00040000 |
| 23:14:43 | Microdim|IBM | Erasing sector 00080000 |
| 23:14:43 | Microdim|IBM | Erasing sector 000C0000 |
| 23:14:44 | Microdim|IBM | Erasing sector 00100000 |
| 23:16:09 | CoolPops | Do you have a boot> prompt? |
| 23:16:48 | Microdim|IBM | A penguin with a flashing block underneath it, is that right? |
| 23:18:36 | Microdim|IBM | ok I logged in as root and now I am at the number sign what next? |
| 23:18:39 | Microdim|IBM | this is cool |
| 23:19:28 | CoolPops | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/install/H3600/install.html |
| 23:19:41 | CoolPops | At the login prompt, login in as root using rootme as the password. |
| 23:19:41 | CoolPops | Run ipkg install_pending which will take care of installing any packages that may be pending (e.g. ssh). |
| 23:19:50 | CoolPops | The next step is to configure the iPAQ for access to the Internet. If you're using DHCP and a PCMCIA/CF networking card, everything might work out of the box. If not, consult one of the following URLs: |
| 23:19:50 | CoolPops | Configuring PPP |
| 23:19:50 | CoolPops | (The iPAQ side of this is already completed.) |
| 23:19:50 | CoolPops | Setting up USB networking |
| 23:24:00 | Microdim|IBM | I typed in ipkg install_pending and nothing happended |
| 23:26:00 | Microdim|IBM | ok the screen turned off what does that mean? |
| 23:26:17 | CoolPops | inactivity. |
| 23:26:39 | CoolPops | setup networking, usb? pcmcia? etc... |
| 23:26:59 | Microdim|IBM | how? can you help m the url doesn't help me enough |
| 23:27:41 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: I dont know about PCMCIA networking, thats what u have, right? |
| 23:27:48 | Microdim|IBM | yup |
| 23:27:59 | Microdim|IBM | what did you use |
| 23:28:01 | Microdim|IBM | ? |
| 23:28:18 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: usb. I want to get pcmcia, but dont have it. |
| 23:28:39 | Microdim|IBM | oh ok |
| 23:29:09 | Microdim|IBM | well how do you run ipkg install_pending? |
| 23:29:18 | CoolPops | u may try the channel #handheld.org ... it has quite a few people on it now. |
| 23:29:58 | a7r | Macrodim|IBM: you type ``ipkg install_pending'' at a command line. |
| 23:30:07 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: you need networking, then u can start to use ipkg which is a package manager |
| 23:30:57 | a7r | you don't need networking to run ``install_pending''. |
| 23:31:40 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: you ran that already, right? |
| 23:37:25 | Microdim|IBM | yes but it did not do anything, I got my networking to work now what? |
| 23:38:29 | a7r | that's fine that it doesn't do anything.. it's different depending on which image you install. |
| 23:39:12 | Microdim|IBM | ok I ran ipkg update and it did some stuff now what? I am sorry if I am bugging you I just want it to work |
| 23:40:21 | a7r | it's working now.. what do you want to do, install X? |
| 23:40:27 | a7r | install OPIE? |
| 23:40:30 | a7r | it's your choice. |
| 23:40:50 | a7r | if you just want to try getting a GUI up, try ``ipkg install task-complete''.. and walk away for an hour. |
| 23:41:53 | Microdim|IBM | I want to install x, do I need to install my microdrive |
| 23:42:13 | a7r | no. |
| 23:42:31 | Microdim|IBM | x will install with out the microdrive? |
| 23:42:54 | CoolPops | what pda do u have? |
| 23:43:03 | Microdim|IBM | ipaq 3635 |
| 23:43:47 | Microdim|IBM | will it take an hour no matter what? |
| 23:44:11 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: what type of connection do u have? |
| 23:44:29 | Microdim|IBM | to the internet? or the Ipaq to the internet? |
| 23:44:34 | Microdim|IBM | I have DSL |
| 23:45:57 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: install x, and give it a little time then have fun. |
| 23:47:37 | Microdim|IBM | how do I install x? |
| 23:48:04 | a7r | follow the instructions. |
| 23:48:15 | CoolPops | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/install/H3600/install.html |
| 23:48:19 | CoolPops | at the bottom |
| 23:54:17 | Microdim|IBM | I installed x, it is not letting me install the mp3 player |
| 23:54:31 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: that fast? |
| 23:54:41 | CoolPops | does it work for u? |
| 23:55:02 | Microdim|IBM | I dont know I didn't try it, I can install more later? |
| 23:55:34 | CoolPops | yes. at any time you can pun ipkg |
| 23:55:57 | Microdim|IBM | ok so after I installed x then what> reset or type in reboot? |
| 23:56:56 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: look in /etc/rc2.d there should be x or something there. just run that with a start on the end |
| 23:57:22 | Microdim|IBM | in the hyper terminal? |
| 23:57:42 | CoolPops | Microdim|IBM: yeah. x will appear on your palmtop |
| 23:59:00 | Microdim|IBM | I have an rcs.d |
| 23:59:22 | CoolPops | take a peek in /etc/init.d |