| 00:12:16 | BBond007 | is there a fix for the vcc mismatch problem short of, installing a x-compiler toolchain and building my own linux-wlan drivers? |
| 02:30:28 | mugga | hi ppl |
| 02:30:42 | mugga | has anyone done any audio programming on the IPAQ with familiar? |
| 03:07:09 | JoyKill | wierd....my network.opts had 2 lines that would prevent my card to get on the network. It had a start_fn() and stop_fn() right in the Case $Address clause |
| 03:07:35 | JoyKill | I commented those out, and it works like a charm. Think maybe I just got a weird network.opts file? |
| 03:08:05 | JoyKill | shrugs |
| 05:36:30 | Fastolfe | hello |
| 05:36:42 | Fastolfe | anybody know how to set the default wm in familiar ? |
| 06:23:49 | samrolken | hello... what's the size of task-complete in familiar 5.1? |
| 08:03:52 | grumpy | how do you check what version of familiar your running? |
| 11:15:31 | mugga | hello ppl |
| 14:23:14 | tronical | hi |
| 14:24:10 | tronical | I have an ipkg question: does ipkg call any package script when upgrading a package? |
| 14:24:30 | tronical | (like postrm of the old package) |
| 14:31:47 | tronical | nevermind, I just RTFSource :) |
| 15:49:14 | Martijn | Heho |
| 15:49:33 | Martijn | Got a small problem with getting SSH to accept my root passwd... |
| 15:49:48 | Martijn | I got ppp running, got a basic setup on the iPAQ |
| 15:49:54 | Martijn | but ssh doesn't work :( |
| 15:50:39 | Martijn | wonders if anyone is active here... |
| 15:51:56 | Martijn | eys Morn. |
| 15:52:12 | Morn | hi Martijn. |
| 15:52:20 | Martijn | Heya. |
| 15:52:41 | Martijn | ssh doesn't work :( I get "Received disconnect from 192.168.1.101: 2: too many failed userauth_requests".. |
| 15:53:08 | Martijn | I can ping the iPAQ, I can do ssh on the iPAQ to localhost, but not from my sid system to the iPAQ. |
| 15:55:16 | draven | uhm, heelp.. I just upgraded to familiar 0.5.1, and pppd segfaults. Am I screwed? |
| 15:55:58 | Martijn | has got a fresh 0.5.1 set up on a refurbished iPAQ, no segfaults. |
| 15:56:26 | draven | well yeah, I'm sure it works if I reinstall.. But I did a ipkg upgrade from my old 5.0 setup, see ;) |
| 15:56:56 | Martijn | Ah. Tricky. :) |
| 15:56:59 | draven | qpe still seems to work fine, but I can't get any network connections to the damn thing |
| 15:58:23 | draven | cranks up the volume and listens to punk music ;P |
| 16:02:54 | Martijn | draven: Any ideas about why my ssh conn fails to work? |
| 16:03:04 | Martijn | I get Received disconnect from 192.168.1.101: 2: too many failed userauth_requests |
| 16:09:36 | draven | uhm no |
| 16:09:39 | draven | never seen that |
| 16:09:50 | draven | sorry |
| 16:09:55 | Martijn | np |
| 16:48:45 | mark_ | is there anyway I can boot familiar without it executing stuff in /etc/init.d/ ? (i have something there which is preventing me getting a console) |
| 16:49:55 | kergoth`work | mark_: add 'init=/bin/sh' to your kernel parameters using the bootloader. heh. |
| 16:51:15 | mark_ | doesnt know this bootloader |
| 16:51:56 | mark_ | kergoth`work: any idea what command is? |
| 16:54:01 | Martijn | reset your iPAQ and press the rightmost button (arrow)? |
| 16:54:17 | Martijn | You'll need a serial conn to your iPAQ to issue commands to the boot loader. |
| 16:54:27 | mark_ | Martijn: i'm at the bootloader |
| 16:54:32 | mark_ | i just dont know what to type |
| 16:55:06 | mark_ | how to pass 'init=/bin/sh' to kernel params |
| 16:56:02 | Martijn | Uhm.. I think you can pass arguments to the 'boot' command. |
| 16:56:14 | Martijn | try boot init=/bin/sh |
| 16:56:31 | mark_ | 'dont understand command init=/bin/sh' |
| 17:01:58 | Martijn | Hmm.. |
| 17:02:18 | Martijn | Can't remember how to get bootloader help either.. |
| 17:02:26 | Martijn | did you try 'help'? |
| 17:02:45 | mark_ | it all flies past so quicly |
| 17:02:55 | madjos | hello everyone |
| 17:03:07 | madjos | can anyone help me with the install |
| 17:03:09 | madjos | ?? |
| 17:03:40 | madjos | err |
| 17:04:24 | Kero | install familiar 0.5.1 on what model of iPAQ? |
| 17:04:39 | madjos | 3765 |
| 17:04:58 | madjos | i'm rather new to the linux world |
| 17:05:15 | madjos | so i'll probably ask a lot of stupid questions |
| 17:05:22 | Kero | You have linux on your desktop? |
| 17:05:23 | madjos | can u help? |
| 17:05:23 | mark_ | Martijn: it is linuxargs. I need the defaults though |
| 17:05:31 | madjos | nope |
| 17:05:39 | madjos | win xp on the desktop |
| 17:05:48 | Kero | then I can assist in the iPAQ part, but not in the PC part. |
| 17:06:06 | madjos | hmmm..thanks |
| 17:06:09 | Kero | runs no WIndows and knows nearly nothing about that OS and its utils/apps.... |
| 17:06:25 | madjos | so here is my problem - or what i think y problem is |
| 17:06:42 | madjos | (i do have access to a linux box if that will help) |
| 17:06:45 | madjos | anyways |
| 17:07:21 | madjos | i got to the part of the install where i am supposed to connect the ipaq to the desktop using hyperterm/minicom |
| 17:07:26 | madjos | i'm using hyperterm |
| 17:07:41 | madjos | and it shows the penguin on my ipaq screen |
| 17:07:51 | madjos | (i hope that is a good sign ??) |
| 17:08:16 | madjos | (i also hope you have some time to spare.. and that i am not bugging yu too much) |
| 17:08:50 | mark_ | Martijn: i've booted. now how do I get out of this run level |
| 17:09:21 | Martijn | mark_: Sorry... no time right now (got a fire to put out) |
| 17:09:24 | kergoth`work | mark_: 'init [runlevel]' from a shell will change runlevels. |
| 17:10:14 | madjos | so r u free? |
| 17:12:51 | mark_ | Martijn: erm, okay. all sorted anyway. cheers |
| 17:15:06 | madjos | kero?? |
| 17:15:18 | Kero | madjos: you've started bootldr from WinCE, right? |
| 17:15:31 | madjos | ya ya done with all that |
| 17:15:32 | madjos | Kero runs no WIndows and knows nearly nothing about that OS and its utils/apps.... |
| 17:15:49 | madjos | sorry about that |
| 17:15:51 | madjos | well.. it logs me in as 'root' and i can do the usual cd, ls thing from hyperterminal.. but i wanted to install some other 'packages' (wireless card and mp3 player and some other stuff that it says it needs to install) .. but to do any of that it says it cant connect to handhelds.org .. well i guess that is because i am not online.. but how do i get online unless i have the wireless card stuff installed - which is the means by which i connect to the net |
| 17:16:06 | mark_ | tronical: binary |
| 17:17:10 | Kero | with a ppp connection over serial |
| 17:18:06 | madjos | yup |
| 17:18:07 | Kero | Or you can x/y/zmodem stuff onto your iPAQ, which can receive files like that |
| 17:18:31 | Kero | that is, log in as root, start rz and zmomdem a file |
| 17:18:43 | madjos | i can try that.. |
| 17:18:47 | madjos | any file? |
| 17:18:54 | madjos | or do u have something particular in mind? |
| 17:19:07 | Kero | sounds like you need the wireless-modules ipkg :) |
| 17:19:47 | madjos | yes |
| 17:20:05 | madjos | so i ftp the packages from familiar.handhelds.org |
| 17:20:10 | madjos | to my pc |
| 17:20:23 | madjos | then zmodem (or xmodem?) them to the ipaq? |
| 17:20:35 | Kero | yup. |
| 17:21:06 | Kero | and as soon as you have your wireless connection up, you can do things without all that hassle. |
| 17:21:32 | madjos | alright |
| 17:22:01 | madjos | so how do i make ipkg take the packages from a local file rather than trying to connect to the net? |
| 17:22:20 | madjos | and do i use x/z modem to shift files from my pc to the ipaq |
| 17:23:11 | Kero | `ipkg install the_file.ipk` |
| 17:23:37 | Kero | and Yes |
| 17:23:51 | madjos | ok and what is the difference between x and z modem .. which do i use? |
| 17:26:02 | Kero | whichever hyperterm can facilitate. |
| 17:26:09 | Kero | zmodem is faster |
| 17:26:26 | Kero | for zmodem, use rz, for xmodem use rx on the iPAQ |
| 17:26:54 | madjos | alright.. got it |
| 17:26:58 | madjos | thanks a bagful |
| 17:27:29 | Kero | np |
| 17:27:38 | madjos | r u around often on this channel (so that i can come and pester you when i encounter my next crisis) |
| 17:28:39 | Kero | reasonably often :) |
| 17:29:00 | Kero | if this channel remains silent, #handhelds.org can be of great help |
| 17:37:49 | madjos | alright.. thanks again |
| 17:43:25 | madjos | i have one more query.. if u r still around |
| 17:44:34 | madjos | so i am supposed to do some initilialization of 'resolv.conf' |
| 17:44:40 | madjos | using something called 'pump' |
| 17:44:46 | madjos | how do i do that? |
| 17:45:00 | madjos | i think it is something to do with DNS |
| 17:45:18 | Kero | entirely correct :) |
| 17:45:21 | madjos | the wireless n/w that we run uses DHCP |
| 17:45:38 | madjos | so what is it exactly that i am supposed to do |
| 17:45:38 | Kero | pump actually does the DHCP part. |
| 17:45:48 | Kero | DHCP has the possibility to specify the DNS's |
| 17:46:07 | Kero | So you'll need a pump ipkg (if it exists) |
| 17:46:15 | madjos | when i tried to run it, it gave some error |
| 17:47:34 | madjos | "operation failed" |
| 17:48:07 | Martijn | Hmm |
| 17:48:12 | Kero | the ipkg I can find are called task-wireless (empty, but refers to wireless-tools and pcmcia-modules) |
| 17:48:12 | Martijn | # ipkg install task-complete |
| 17:48:13 | Martijn | ipkg_depends: Warning: task-bootstrap mentioned in dependency but no package found in /usr/lib/ipkg/lists |
| 17:51:24 | Martijn | Oh, and ntpdate failed as well (from fmailiar-postinst). |
| 17:55:00 | Kero | Martijn: usually, failed dependencies can be ignored. |
| 17:55:07 | Kero | I don't like this one, though. |
| 17:55:39 | Kero | ntpdate may have failed 'coz your date is set to far from now (typically after a hardware reset). |
| 17:58:58 | madjos | Kero: so i got the task-wireless package from the websit |
| 17:59:10 | madjos | which directory do i dump it on the ipaq? |
| 18:03:06 | Kero | thinks you need wireless-tools, since task-wireless is empty... |
| 18:03:48 | madjos | task wireless had two files in it |
| 18:04:30 | grumpy | how can I reload my kernel from a boot> prompt? |
| 18:05:09 | madjos | seemed like two versions .. 0.0 and 0.1 |
| 18:07:36 | Kero | mm.. tgz files perhaps? task-wireless is not really empty; it Depends on two other packages. |
| 18:07:57 | Kero | ipkg normally installs those automatically -- if there is a network present. |
| 18:08:06 | madjos | ok i see |
| 18:08:16 | madjos | i ran the wirelss-package install |
| 18:08:18 | Kero | pakcages like task-x install all you need for X, etc. |
| 18:08:29 | madjos | it says that is is unpacked and configured |
| 18:08:49 | madjos | but pump still doesnt work |
| 18:09:22 | madjos | it also tells me that there are a lot of other packages that "were previously requested but have not been installed".. |
| 18:09:34 | madjos | maybe i ought to install them |
| 18:13:38 | Kero | like what packages? |
| 18:14:18 | Kero | did you install the pcmcia-modules packages as well? |
| 18:14:46 | Kero | that probably contains the drivers to talk to your sleeve |
| 18:15:03 | madjos | its a long list.. here goes: |
| 18:15:04 | madjos | task-complete apmd dosfstools familiar-postinst gtk-menu gtk-theme-thingreeber h |
| 18:15:04 | madjos | 3600-utils libglade0 libpopt0 libxml1 libxmltok1 loadmeter ncurses-base netcat n |
| 18:15:04 | madjos | tpdate pikpak procps pyditor qiv rsync sysset task-games task-mp3-player task-x |
| 18:15:04 | madjos | xkbd xstroke checkers gdk-imlib1 gtk-engines-thinice ion libglib1.2 libgtk1.2 li |
| 18:15:04 | madjos | bncurses5 madplay menu-tiny mixer pygtk python rxvt-aa xbase-clients xcalibrate |
| 18:15:05 | madjos | xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-ttf xlibs xserver-tiny-h3600 libdb2 libfltk1 lib |
| 18:15:07 | madjos | freetype6 libjpeg62 libpng2 libstd\c++2.10-glibc2.2 libungif3g libxft libxrender |
| 18:16:29 | madjos | it appears that i am in deeper *water* than i had thought |
| 18:26:59 | Kero | deal with that later. Most is not interesting atm. |
| 18:27:32 | Kero | reads carefully and decides nothing is interesting for the wireless stuff. |
| 18:29:19 | madjos | hmm |
| 18:29:55 | madjos | so i ran the wireless package "task-wireless" |
| 18:30:04 | madjos | but it did no good.. (i think |
| 18:30:38 | Kero | you have wireless-tools and pcmcia-modules installed? |
| 18:30:39 | raduga | |
| 18:31:59 | madjos | i will run the pcmcia thing now |
| 18:32:26 | madjos | pcmcia-cs ?? |
| 18:34:06 | madjos | ok i ran it. |
| 18:36:10 | madjos | it says done.. |
| 18:36:19 | madjos | but pump doesnt work still |
| 18:36:20 | raduga | /last boodle |
| 18:36:22 | Kero | does not know which modules should be loaded before you insert the card |
| 18:36:23 | raduga | oops |
| 18:36:42 | Kero | But they are listed in /etc/modules (all of which are loaded at boot-time) |
| 18:36:55 | Kero | (iff /etc/modules still exists in modern familiar?) |
| 18:37:36 | madjos | yes the file has 5 or 6 modules |
| 18:37:39 | madjos | apm |
| 18:37:45 | madjos | h3600_ts |
| 18:38:03 | Kero | power management, touch-screen |
| 18:38:22 | madjos | sa1100-rtc h3600-sleeve h3600_generic_sleeve |
| 18:38:34 | madjos | h3600-uda1341 |
| 18:38:40 | madjos | thats all that it has |
| 18:39:01 | madjos | does it matter if the timestamps are in the future ? (dumb question?) |
| 18:39:39 | raduga | madjos: what happened? stray tachyons? |
| 18:40:30 | madjos | haha.. tachyons are easier to handle |
| 18:41:21 | madjos | having trouble getting my wireless card to work on my ipaq (after putting familiar 5.1 on it) |
| 18:41:44 | Kero | h3600-sleeve and h3600_generic_sleeve should be loaded. |
| 18:41:57 | Kero | rtc is real time clock, uda1341 is sound |
| 18:42:10 | madjos | so this file tells me what should be loaded or what is being loaded? |
| 18:42:57 | madjos | raduga: as u can see kero is doing her/his best to help me out here.. though i am sure kero will run out of patience soon |
| 18:43:12 | Kero | madjos: tells you what is loaded at boot-time. |
| 18:43:27 | Kero | most of them are important for a properly running system |
| 18:43:42 | Kero | the *sleeve ones are important for your wireles card. |
| 18:44:00 | madjos | alright.. so i should have a working clock, sound card and sleeve right? |
| 18:44:24 | madjos | yes.. it does detect my wireless card when i log on i think... |
| 18:44:32 | madjos | but does nothing more than that |
| 18:45:33 | Kero | does not remember what tools are in wireless-tools to test and setup your card. |
| 18:45:36 | | wireless is great and even though I agree with the keyboard idea, it's too goddamn expensive. |
| 18:45:36 | Kero | ibot, wireless |
| 18:45:51 | Kero | hrm, was expecting a WiKi page... |
| 18:46:00 | madjos | it says some stuff about lucent wavelan on some port |
| 18:46:11 | madjos | err.. i am getting lost here |
| 18:46:34 | madjos | (that shouldnt surprise anyone) |
| 18:47:45 | madjos | WiKi? |
| 18:48:34 | Kero | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HandheldsWiki |
| 18:48:57 | Kero | search for your type of wireless card. |
| 18:50:34 | Kero | gtg now... |
| 18:55:54 | madjos | hmm |
| 18:56:03 | madjos | back into the depths of darkness |
| 18:56:14 | madjos | anyone got any free time? |
| 19:10:24 | kergoth`lunch | is away: eating |
| 21:05:31 | Tian | hi |
| 21:16:18 | wudoo | hi |
| 21:18:34 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 22:23:42 | Tian | Anyone know if there's plan to use gtk2 in familiar ? |
| 22:46:43 | france | ls |
| 22:46:48 | france | arg.... |
| 22:47:40 | Tian | lol |