| 00:30:49 | PanicOpticon | How can I go about changing the size of the ramfs? |
| 00:36:27 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 03:07:46) |
| 00:49:15 | DragonEagle | is away: brb ordering a pizza |
| 00:53:14 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 00:03:58) |
| 00:54:24 | PanicOpticon | hi |
| 01:42:29 | PanicOpticon | hi, is anyone alive? |
| 04:19:22 | DragonEagle | is away: getting some rest |
| 05:38:33 | DragonEagle | is away: night all |
| 08:25:44 | jcsitte | anybody home? |
| 08:31:42 | pkomarek | is away: Mastering Llap Goch |
| 10:13:42 | jcsitte | anyone home//// |
| 11:36:16 | DragonEagle | is away: working |
| 13:53:26 | jcsitte | anyone home? |
| 14:26:02 | bipolar | is back (gone 16:19:29) |
| 16:01:02 | bipolar | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 16:01:14 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
| 17:29:50 | JonasD | hello |
| 17:30:38 | JonasD | now I can connect the internet with my ipaq, but ipkg install doesn't realy works |
| 17:30:58 | JonasD | how can I finde out the version of ther installed familiar |
| 18:01:51 | JonasD | is someone out there? |
| 18:17:24 | mark_ | hi all. anyone about from the familiar project? |
| 18:18:24 | cmarqu | mark_: more people are in #handhelds.org |
| 18:18:29 | mark_ | cheers |
| 19:54:10 | Pope | hi everyone |
| 20:12:01 | DragonEagle | is back (gone 08:35:45) |
| 20:17:43 | Pope | is away: away |
| 20:37:05 | JonasD | hello ipaq users |
| 20:37:36 | jamey | hey, the new ipkg is way cool! |
| 20:37:42 | cworth | jamey: "ipkg install" doesn't stop on errors? That should be easy to fix. Every function returns non-zero on failure, so I probably just forgot to check return values here and there. |
| 20:37:56 | a7r | cworth: hey.. |
| 20:39:23 | jamey | cworth: yup |
| 20:39:38 | jamey | I'm putting newlines on the messages from ipkg upgrade |
| 20:40:19 | cworth | jamey: it should abort on download failure now at least. |
| 20:41:27 | cworth | jamey: upgrade?!? I haven't even dared to run that yet. You're a very lucky man if it works. ;-) |
| 20:41:46 | cworth | a7r: greetings |
| 20:42:37 | cworth | jamey: thanks for the newlines. |
| 20:44:20 | jg | sounds like progress... |
| 20:46:20 | boodle | jg: Greetings, can I ask you a theoretical "X" question (idea I have for a program) |
| 20:47:17 | jg | 42 |
| 20:47:50 | jg | boodle: 42 |
| 20:47:57 | boodle | doesn't remember much about Douglas Adams books |
| 20:48:20 | jg | The answer to "Life, the Universe, and Everything" |
| 20:48:30 | boodle | jg: :-) well that's settled then |
| 20:48:41 | boodle | jg: be sure to let rmk know ;) |
| 20:49:16 | jg | 42 |
| 20:49:17 | boodle | jg: seriously, just a 'can it be done or am I wasting my time trying...'. Trying to learn x-windows programming and solve a problem for my shell terms |
| 20:50:00 | jg | boodle: best to use a toolkit... |
| 20:50:09 | cworth | jamey: did you cross-compile or native? Wonder why it didn't find strndup, (not too hard to code a replacement I guess). |
| 20:51:20 | boodle | jg: I'm wondering if <someone> (maybe even me) could write an x-app to encapsulate other windows... specifically, I'd like to write a generic window app to let the user bind x-term (aterm,eterm, whatever) sessions and have them show up as tab-labeled windows in the parent window.. (sort of a wm inside a wm) |
| 20:51:48 | boodle | jg: gtk works for me if it could handle this |
| 20:52:12 | jg | boodle: certainly possible... Go look at how the stuff in ion or matchbox swallows apps... |
| 20:52:26 | boodle | jg: ok thank you |
| 20:55:34 | a7r | jg: you got a minute to talk about sound servers, at some point? |
| 20:56:42 | jg | a7r: no minutes this week, unfortunately... Life will hopefully be less crazy next week... |
| 20:56:59 | a7r | jg: werd. |
| 20:58:04 | jamey | cworth: I cross compiled. When I tried native it got into an infinite loop making the config files ... |
| 20:58:14 | jamey | probably RTC skew on the skiff |
| 20:59:40 | cworth | jamey: OK. hmm... it wasn't strndup, but memcmp that it was stopping on. Wonder why configure didn't find that? |
| 21:00:22 | jamey | cworth: I did not run into that. I just ran .configure, then did make CC=arm-linux-gcc LD=arm-linux-ld RANLIB=arm-linux-ranlib etc |
| 21:01:18 | jamey | cworth: can we get configure to generate a Makefile that uses $(CROSS_COMPILE) like the kernel Makefile uses? |
| 21:01:25 | JonasD | I'm uploading the bootloader, what should happen on the screen during the uploading? |
| 21:01:29 | JonasD | only the uploading |
| 21:01:30 | JonasD | ??? |
| 21:01:57 | cworth | jamey: OK, you skirted the configure problems I hit then. I was trying "export CC=arm-linux-gcc; ./configure --host armv4l" or so. |
| 21:02:40 | jamey | cworth: I guess I tried that and had troule with it -- it compiles and runs things to probe the header files and libraries |
| 21:03:04 | cworth | jamey: if CC is set before you run configure then it encodes it into the generated Makefiles. |
| 21:03:39 | cworth | jamey: yes, there was one check that it runs. I just plucked it out. The Makefiles all generate now, but it tries to compile a replacement memcmp, (which I have not implemented). |
| 21:04:03 | jamey | cworth: does it also fixup ar, ranlib, strip, and ld? The nice thing about Kernel makefile is that I only have to define CROSS_COMPILE to fix all of them |
| 21:04:12 | jamey | cworth: if they have a common prefix such as arm-linux- |
| 21:07:07 | cworth | jamey: I don't know. I'm still in the midst of autoconf experimentation. |
| 21:07:35 | cworth | jamey: It looks like you have to set each one of these. :-P (http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/autobook/autobook_267.html#SEC267) |
| 21:08:15 | jamey | yuk |
| 21:08:24 | jamey | but no big deal. I'm used to it by now. |
| 21:08:56 | jamey | cworth: ipkg upgrade thinks 2.4.0f is newer than 2.4.2b1 (ppp). |
| 21:10:16 | cworth | jamey: "ipkg upgrade" is still dark territory... |
| 21:10:27 | jamey | but I think we might put ipkg in the unstable feed today or tomorrow ... |
| 21:11:05 | a7r | with upgrade still being voodoo? |
| 21:11:22 | cworth | jamey: "ipkg upgrade" really just calls "ipkg install" |
| 21:11:24 | cworth | jamey: basically, I wrote "ipkg install" thinking ahead so that it could be used for "ipkg upgrade" as well, but I haven't looked closely at it yet to see if it will actually do the right thing. |
| 21:11:50 | jamey | cworth: that is same as current behavior isn't it? except for possible a sign error in package comparison |
| 21:12:21 | cworth | a7r: I don't think so. I put a TODO file in place showing what I thought we should do before unleashing it. I think we could make a new ipkg-devel or something and put it into unstable right away though. |
| 21:12:39 | a7r | cworth: werd. |
| 21:13:34 | cworth | oh, on another topic, anyone ever try to estimate total number of Familiar users? Even some rough lower bound estimate? |
| 21:14:15 | a7r | it's pretty high.. I had lunch w/ Palm's old CTO 2 weeks ago, and he said they were using it internally.. |
| 21:14:24 | a7r | there's also a lot of students locally using it. |
| 21:15:13 | a7r | also a prof at UCSB is teaching a class w/ it. |
| 21:15:31 | a7r | using it as a base to show off ad-hoc routing protocols. |
| 21:21:30 | cworth | a7r: I guess that weblog counts of base image downloads might correlate somewhat with installation counts. |
| 21:23:35 | a7r | cworth: nod.. we should start paying better attention to that. |
| 21:24:18 | a7r | werd.. I've got world routed IPv6 on my internal wireless LAN now.. |
| 21:27:33 | JonasD | I think my minicom has a bug |
| 21:27:53 | a7r | quite possibly.. what's it not doing? |
| 21:28:00 | JonasD | sending :) |
| 21:28:19 | a7r | do you have rzsz installed? |
| 21:28:22 | JonasD | it type in the bootldr promt: load bootldr |
| 21:28:30 | JonasD | rzsz? |
| 21:28:51 | a7r | the zmodem/xmodem/whatevermodem receive and send packages. |
| 21:29:07 | JonasD | i've got minicom |
| 21:29:15 | JonasD | I think minicom is a rzsz? |
| 21:29:30 | a7r | no... minicom uses external programs to send and receive. |
| 21:29:38 | JonasD | oups :) |
| 21:29:40 | JonasD | lol |
| 21:29:51 | JonasD | do you know the debianpackages? |
| 21:30:00 | JonasD | otherwise i will search it |
| 21:30:16 | cmarqu|away | JonasD: lrzsz |
| 21:30:36 | JonasD | thank you -- apt is installing it |
| 21:30:58 | JonasD | thx |
| 21:31:30 | JonasD | it works |
| 21:31:32 | JonasD | it works |
| 21:31:39 | JonasD | I love you |
| 21:31:46 | JonasD | cool |
| 21:32:22 | JonasD | ok now it should worked.. |
| 21:34:57 | JonasD | yes, there is the new splash screen :) |
| 21:42:25 | JonasD | work qpe on the 3100 series? |
| 22:01:08 | Pope | is back (gone 01:43:26) |
| 22:08:04 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 22:37:05 | Pope | bye!! |
| 23:34:00 | JonasD | HELP |
| 23:34:00 | JonasD | <JonasD> how can I calibrate my screen |
| 23:34:00 | JonasD | <JonasD> there is everything on the head :) |
| 23:34:01 | JonasD | <JonasD> if i push at the top of the screen the cursor go to te bottem ... |
| 23:34:30 | JonasD | what should I do to calibrate the screen |
| 23:34:41 | JonasD | hello |