| 00:10:12 | bipolar | is back (gone 01:02:09) |
| 00:31:57 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 01:30:33 | infyrno | is away, auto-away after 15 minutes, (log\on pager\on) |
| 03:55:16 | prag | ok... |
| 03:55:31 | prag | either i'm on crack, or SIGTSTP and SIGCONT are reversed in familiar |
| 03:55:48 | prag | if i kill a process with -CONT it pauses it |
| 03:55:56 | prag | and -TSTP continues it |
| 03:56:04 | prag | that isn't right, is it? |
| 05:07:50 | jaseidel | could someone please tell me if both ip addresses should be as listed as 192.168.1.11 on http://www.handhelds.org:8080/wiki/IPMasqHowto under Idon't have an IP address and running 2.4.. |
| 05:08:10 | jaseidel | my ip masquerading isn't working and I can't get my ipaq online |
| 05:09:04 | jaseidel | The commands are: iptables -A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.11 -j ACCEPT |
| 05:09:32 | jaseidel | and: iptables -A FORWARD -d 192.168.1.11 |
| 05:11:30 | jaseidel | should both -d and -s options use the same IP? |
| 05:11:47 | prag | i think so |
| 05:12:01 | prag | because you're allowing incoming to that addy and outgoing from that addy |
| 05:12:12 | prag | which is what you need for bi-directional communication |
| 05:12:51 | jaseidel | I'll try, try again |
| 05:13:02 | prag | that's the spirit |
| 05:13:03 | prag | heh |
| 05:13:03 | jaseidel | thanks prag |
| 05:15:51 | prag | grrr |
| 05:15:55 | prag | perl will be the death of me |
| 09:39:22 | pigeon | nick? |
| 10:31:56 | nickr | yes? |
| 12:32:05 | bipolar | is back (gone 12:00:05) |
| 13:05:36 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 14:58:56 | bipolar | is back (gone 01:53:19) |
| 17:34:41 | aixdude | hi, does anyone know how to save and upload your root partition to a wortstation using bootldr? |
| 17:34:46 | aixdude | or a link to a doc? |
| 17:36:15 | | upload is http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/familiar/2001-December/003953.html or at http://www.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/upload-package.cgi or documented at http://www.handhelds.org/contributing.html |
| 17:36:15 | aixdude | ibot: upload |
| 17:36:25 | | it has been said that bootldr is at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bootldr/ for cvsweb access, or stable binaries under ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists and unstable/development versions at ftp://lorien.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/bootldr/ |
| 17:36:25 | aixdude | ibot: bootldr |
| 18:20:42 | aldelarge | anyone up? |
| 18:23:03 | a7r | yup. |
| 18:23:29 | aldelarge | why is there no intel pro pcmcia driver in familiar 0.5.1? |
| 18:24:50 | aldelarge | I've heard there were problems with it on arm, but that someone was working on it |
| 18:25:48 | a7r | not sure.. I don't have the card. |
| 18:25:54 | aldelarge | ahh |
| 18:26:02 | aldelarge | I do. Unfortunately for me :( |
| 18:27:58 | aldelarge | thanks anyway |
| 18:50:13 | Verxion | Hello there |
| 18:50:17 | Verxion | anyone alive in here? :)) |
| 18:50:35 | kergoth | nope |
| 18:51:19 | Verxion | drat it then |
| 18:51:20 | Verxion | :) |
| 18:51:35 | Verxion | I have an IPAQ 3650, and wanted to ask some questions about familiar if possible |
| 18:51:42 | Verxion | I know you guys are likely quite busy. . . |
| 18:52:51 | Verxion | I have been using Linux for about 10 years now |
| 18:53:02 | Verxion | but quite frankly, I have only been using it on x86 and dec alphas. . . |
| 18:53:11 | Verxion | I haven't followed the arm development at all |
| 18:53:28 | Verxion | Can you give me an honest assessment of the stability of familiar? |
| 18:53:55 | kergoth | Verxion: youd be best off asking whatever your questions are, and awaiting an answer. I'd help if i could, but I dont own an ipaq ;-) |
| 18:54:05 | prag_ | hasn't crashed on me yet, but then again, i'm not using X, so i can't attest to X's stability on arm |
| 18:54:13 | Verxion | kergoth: Fair enough. What do you do development on? |
| 18:54:23 | Verxion | prag: So you are console only? |
| 18:54:33 | kergoth | Verxion: the sharp zaurus, which uses the embedix base os. i keep up with familiar development however |
| 18:54:41 | kergoth | Verxion: he probably uses qtopia or opie as the gui |
| 18:54:44 | Verxion | I primarily use console on my linux boxen, but I am not sure how convenient that would be with a handheld. . . |
| 18:54:49 | | aixdude: sorry... |
| 18:54:49 | aixdude | ibot:netlink |
| 18:54:56 | | i think usb is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking |
| 18:54:56 | aixdude | ibot:usb |
| 18:55:06 | prag | yeah...just console and IR ..it's more of an mp3 player than a pda, but it works |
| 18:55:07 | Verxion | I am looking at opie, and it looks quite cool, does it have linux underneath? |
| 18:55:23 | Verxion | it looks like it is compatible with the zaurus, so that confused me |
| 18:55:34 | kergoth | Verxion: yes, it runs on linux. there are packages to install it, and it works fine in familiar |
| 18:55:54 | Verxion | wow, so opie can run on top of familiar |
| 18:56:00 | Verxion | man, I am drooling now |
| 18:56:10 | Verxion | I am running pocketpc 2002 and I have to say its stability is horrible |
| 18:56:20 | Verxion | it crashes on my probably a minimum of 5 times a day |
| 18:56:38 | kergoth | Verxion: you'd be much happier on familiar, regardless of what gui you select, imho |
| 18:57:01 | Verxion | well, I am 100% unfamiliar with the available software |
| 18:57:04 | Verxion | so let me ask this |
| 18:57:36 | Verxion | I need access to contact info, schedule info (would REALLY like to sync schedule with outlook, I work at Boeing, so that is a sad fact), I read free ebooks a lot, and I wanna play mp3s |
| 18:57:37 | raduga | pretty much anything X will run on familiar |
| 18:57:50 | Verxion | I figure sync'ing to outlook is gonna be my hardest problem |
| 18:58:00 | raduga | verx: very likely |
| 18:58:52 | raduga | verx: you may have some trouble finding proprietary ebook reader software under linux, too, but for plain text, there's plenty of stuff out there |
| 18:59:07 | raduga | i.e. I get my ebooks from gutenberg.org :) |
| 18:59:29 | raduga | mp3 is not a problem |
| 19:00:11 | kergoth | Verxion: check out qtopia desktop from trolltech, its for syncing from windows with qtopia/opie |
| 19:00:37 | raduga | qtopia will sync with outlook? |
| 19:00:48 | raduga | er. outlook schedules? |
| 19:01:03 | Verxion | my ebooks are in palm .PDB format, but I think I can convert to text tho (they are free) |
| 19:01:06 | kergoth | raduga: dont recall, i havent tried since i first received my zaurus |
| 19:01:28 | raduga | verxion: where do you get them from? |
| 19:02:05 | Verxion | from www.palmgear.com |
| 19:02:07 | raduga | source could be a clue |
| 19:02:12 | raduga | hrm. |
| 19:02:14 | Verxion | (I used to have a palm and I loved it when I had it) |
| 19:02:42 | raduga | OH. are they palm "doc" format |
| 19:02:56 | raduga | there are a few unix-side convertors |
| 19:03:03 | raduga | and even some windows-ware if they're standard docs |
| 19:03:27 | raduga | and not one of the weird copy-protected ones |
| 19:03:59 | Verxion | yes, they are in palm doc format |
| 19:04:13 | Verxion | like I said, I am pretty sure I can convert them to .txt if necessary |
| 19:04:20 | Verxion | just would like to keep them compressed if possible |
| 19:04:37 | kergoth | Verxion: there may be a pdb viewer for qtopia/opie. i seem to recall seeing something posted on zauruszone.com |
| 19:04:56 | Verxion | kergoth: coool, that would rock. I would like to have integrated bookmarking if possible |
| 19:05:16 | Verxion | ok, reading about qtopia, not finding anything on the desktop syncing, but will keep reading |
| 19:05:49 | Verxion | the simple fact that opie includes fitaly means I will very very very likely go with it |
| 19:06:15 | cworth | Verxion: xkbd under X has fitaly too I believe. |
| 19:06:34 | Verxion | wow |
| 19:06:36 | Verxion | how is that legal? |
| 19:06:40 | Verxion | I mean, I bought it for my palm |
| 19:06:46 | Verxion | and transfered the license to my ipaq |
| 19:07:52 | cworth | Verxion: the jffs2 filesystem used on the flash for Familiar has filesystem-level compression. So, even plain-text files are compressed, (though I imagine eBooks might end up living in RAM or on external storage cards). |
| 19:08:54 | Verxion | didn't realize that jffs2 used compression |
| 19:09:08 | Verxion | how bad is corruption with jffs2? Seems like it would be more likely to have corruption issues. . . |
| 19:10:40 | Verxion | ok, I am ready to give this a shot |
| 19:10:47 | Verxion | lordy, I hope this stuff is as good as it looks |
| 19:11:00 | Verxion | I just backed up 100% of my data on my IPAQ to flash rom |
| 19:11:05 | Verxion | er, CF rather |
| 19:11:27 | Verxion | so I can recover so long as I don't completely nuke my ability to boot the thing during the switchover to linux |
| 19:11:55 | kergoth | Verxion: indeed, dont forget to save the image of wince from your unit so you can go back if need be |
| 19:12:13 | Verxion | I have it. :) |
| 19:12:17 | Verxion | I hope I never need it again |
| 19:12:59 | Verxion | ok, I am on the handhelds.org page |
| 19:13:21 | Verxion | is there a specific recommendation you would give as to which I should grab? |
| 19:13:46 | Verxion | it looks like I should install bootldr-2.18.01.bin |
| 19:13:53 | Verxion | and boot blaster 1.18 |
| 19:14:41 | Verxion | my point is this |
| 19:14:50 | Verxion | are the docs and files up to date? |
| 19:14:57 | Verxion | or are there newer ones I should be looking for elsewhere? |
| 19:23:34 | cworth | Verxion: those version should be fine. Those particular docs. are regularly updated. |
| 19:23:42 | Verxion | ok, excellent |
| 19:24:09 | Verxion | it appears that I can install familiar over the serial cable using xmodem |
| 19:24:20 | Verxion | can I do the same for opie? |
| 19:24:28 | Verxion | or will I need ethernet working to do that? |
| 19:24:42 | cworth | Verxion: opie is several packages on top of the Familiar base. |
| 19:25:15 | cworth | Verxion: any packages can be installed over serial. |
| 19:25:20 | Verxion | ok |
| 19:25:27 | Verxion | I only have wireless networking here at work |
| 19:25:42 | Verxion | and I sincerely doubt I can get that going on this distro first go 'round |
| 19:25:45 | cworth | Verxion: xmodem is essential for the base. It can be used for individual packages, but it is *painful*. Setting up PPP will ease things considerably. |
| 19:25:53 | Verxion | so would prefer to use serial to get it initially working |
| 19:26:09 | Verxion | well, once I get home, I should be able to do wired ethernet |
| 19:26:22 | Verxion | which should be far less than painful and far better than PPP. :) |
| 19:26:36 | cworth | Verxion: I install all packages with wireless. Not hard at all. |
| 19:27:29 | Verxion | well, here at work, I have some really difficult authentication I have to do |
| 19:27:31 | Verxion | (Boeing) |
| 19:27:52 | Verxion | I have to do a "ztoken" process |
| 19:27:59 | Verxion | and the ztoken software doesn't run on Linux |
| 19:29:45 | cworth | Verxion: ah. |
| 19:30:12 | Verxion | at home, I don't have this stupidity on my network. :) |
| 19:31:01 | Verxion | ok, man, I am saving this 16MB backup of my wince image |
| 19:31:24 | Verxion | is this really necessary if I have a backup of the OS? |
| 19:31:46 | Verxion | (because this is going to take me forever to copy back to the PC over a serial connection) |
| 19:37:01 | cworth | Verxion: if you ever want to put WinCE back on, then you need to follow the backup procedure from the bootldr installation guide. |
| 19:38:05 | Verxion | ok, sounds important. :) |
| 19:38:37 | Verxion | just trying to figure out how long it will take to copy 9MB over a serial connection |
| 19:38:37 | cworth | Verxion: I don't know. I leave linux on all my iPAQs. ;-) |
| 19:38:48 | Verxion | well, this IPAQ is Boeing owned |
| 19:39:07 | Verxion | I suspect that when they give me my next model and I have to turn this one in, they would appreciate it having winCE on it |
| 19:39:08 | Verxion | :) |
| 19:40:02 | Verxion | on the other hand, I have several friends here with the same model of IPAQ, so if I needed to, I could back up THEIR wince image and use it to restore my own IPAQ |
| 19:41:39 | cworth | Verxion: that's correct. |
| 19:42:03 | Verxion | opie actually looks BETTER than pocketpc 2002 |
| 19:42:08 | Verxion | which quite frankly surprises me |
| 19:43:42 | Verxion | if I can run tcl/tk on this thing, I am gonna just be in hog heaven! :) |
| 19:44:24 | cworth | Verxion: many people use tcl/tk. |
| 19:44:57 | cworth | Verxion: with X of course, so not opie, (yet -- OPIE/X should appear real soon now). |
| 19:46:16 | aixdude | anyone have an idea how to use bootldr to load a given kernel without overwriting my root partition? |
| 19:47:41 | cworth | aixdude: huh? these days kernels live in the filesystem, (/boot) -- no mucking in bootldr necessary. |
| 19:49:16 | Verxion | is there anywhere that has screenshots of the opie apps in action? |
| 19:50:01 | Verxion | (or perhaps they are actually qtopia apps, I am not clear yet on how much of opie is directly from qtopia and how much is new) |
| 19:50:51 | Verxion | looks like they must be from qtopia |
| 20:14:52 | Verxion | ok, I have the bootloader installed |
| 20:15:03 | Verxion | now to get it to talk to hyperterminal |
| 20:17:29 | Verxion | anyone alive in here still? |
| 20:17:39 | Verxion | the docs don't say what speed to set the terminal to |
| 20:17:46 | Verxion | I am trying 9600 baud. . . |
| 20:19:40 | bipolar | Verxion: yes they do. :) |
| 20:19:44 | Verxion | 115200 works |
| 20:19:47 | Verxion | there we go |
| 20:19:47 | bipolar | Verxion: 115K |
| 20:19:50 | Verxion | 9600 didn't work |
| 20:20:08 | bipolar | Verxion: make sure you have *NO* flow control. |
| 20:20:21 | Verxion | hrm |
| 20:20:24 | Verxion | ok |
| 20:22:19 | Verxion | ahhh, the docs for installing familiar have the terminal settings |
| 20:22:45 | Verxion | but the docs that explain that I should do a "pflash 0x40000 0xffff 0" don't |
| 20:22:46 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:22:59 | Verxion | (the bootloader installation instructions don't explain what terminal settings to use) |
| 20:25:07 | cworth | Verxion: pflash?!? I don't think any current docs have that. What are you reading? |
| 20:26:17 | Verxion | sec, I will give you a URL |
| 20:27:17 | Verxion | ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/compaq/ipaq/stable/install.html |
| 20:27:22 | Verxion | that is the file I was using |
| 20:27:34 | Verxion | it is for 2.18.01 bootloader |
| 20:34:24 | Verxion | ok, sending the bootstrap now |
| 20:34:29 | Verxion | crosses fingers |
| 20:57:43 | Verxion | is there something included in the bootstrap that will let me do xmodem once I have booted the bootstrap image? |
| 20:58:11 | cworth | Verxion: no, but zmodem is there. ;-) rz |
| 20:58:21 | Verxion | oh, even better. :) |
| 20:58:34 | Verxion | will I have to have a keyboard to use the bootstrap image? |
| 20:58:38 | Verxion | or does it understand the pen? |
| 20:59:04 | cworth | Verxion: serial terminal |
| 20:59:21 | Verxion | oh, ok, I can handle that |
| 20:59:24 | Verxion | :) |
| 20:59:48 | Verxion | I am extremely impressed with what it looks like I am going to be able to do |
| 20:59:56 | Verxion | wince doesn't make this thing into a computer |
| 21:00:00 | Verxion | it is a pda |
| 21:00:08 | Verxion | seems like familiar is going to unlock that restriction |
| 21:00:18 | Verxion | and yet retain the pda ease of use for those portions of it |
| 21:00:48 | cworth | Verxion: thanks for the URL. Those instructions are current. I didn't realize that there was a pflash command, (I've never used that myself, but it was a few revs back last time I wiped out WinCE). |
| 21:01:47 | Verxion | I understand |
| 21:01:59 | Verxion | it was a bit confusing because there were docs there for multiple versions of things |
| 21:02:09 | Verxion | that was why I was wanting to make sure I was doing the CURRENT version |
| 21:02:09 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:02:44 | cworth | Verxion: yes, with Familiar, you get a nice 200MHz linux computer with all the fixings. |
| 21:02:56 | Verxion | hrm |
| 21:03:01 | Verxion | looks like boot failed |
| 21:03:01 | Verxion | :( |
| 21:03:34 | Verxion | oh, no, it just timed out was all |
| 21:03:41 | Verxion | it tried (I think) to talk to my CF card |
| 21:03:43 | Verxion | and couldn't |
| 21:04:06 | Verxion | OH YEAH! |
| 21:04:10 | Verxion | I HAVE A SHELL PROMPT! |
| 21:04:53 | Verxion | hrm |
| 21:04:55 | Verxion | no find command |
| 21:04:57 | Verxion | *grin* |
| 21:05:47 | Verxion | I don't see zmodem in bin, usr/bin, sbin, or usr/sbin |
| 21:05:56 | Verxion | is there a plain zmodem command |
| 21:06:04 | cmarqu | sz |
| 21:06:07 | Verxion | or perhaps there is a minicom |
| 21:06:09 | Verxion | oh YEAH |
| 21:06:11 | Verxion | man |
| 21:06:11 | cmarqu | rz |
| 21:06:15 | Verxion | that goes ages back |
| 21:06:16 | Verxion | lordy |
| 21:06:21 | Verxion | thanks, sorry for not remembering |
| 21:07:51 | Verxion | ok, I couldn't find any docs on opie |
| 21:07:57 | Verxion | so I am trying to install it manually |
| 21:08:07 | Verxion | transfering opie-base first |
| 21:08:27 | bipolar | Verxion: join #opie |
| 21:08:32 | bipolar | Verxion: whats going on? |
| 21:08:42 | Verxion | I just installed familiar on my IPAQ |
| 21:08:49 | Verxion | and I am trying to install opie over zmodem |
| 21:09:02 | bipolar | Verxion: Can't you get a network connection up? |
| 21:09:08 | Verxion | nope |
| 21:09:11 | Verxion | won't be able to do that |
| 21:09:12 | bipolar | Verxion: :( |
| 21:09:15 | Verxion | not until I get home |
| 21:09:26 | Verxion | I am at work here at Boeing, and they are a bit touchy about network stuff |
| 21:09:28 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:09:34 | bipolar | Verxion: hmmm... |
| 21:09:48 | Verxion | is there a commandline ipk package installer? |
| 21:09:58 | bipolar | Verxion: well, there is an #opie channel. You can get specific help there. |
| 21:09:59 | cworth | Verxion: you'll have to track all of the dependencies by hand. :( |
| 21:10:00 | Verxion | oh, ipkg |
| 21:10:02 | Verxion | there we go |
| 21:10:05 | cworth | Verxion: yes, ipkg. |
| 21:10:20 | Verxion | cworth, hrm |
| 21:10:29 | Verxion | well, I might be able to setup a PPP connection |
| 21:10:36 | Verxion | but I am a bit unclear on how this would work |
| 21:10:40 | Verxion | if I do PPP |
| 21:10:41 | bipolar | Verxion: are you on a linux box? |
| 21:10:44 | cworth | Verxion: actually, if you use send ipkg-unstable over and install it, it would give you more info on the missing depends. |
| 21:10:45 | Verxion | no, win2k |
| 21:10:57 | cworth | Verxion: but, yes, PPP would be easier if possible. |
| 21:11:09 | Verxion | if I do PPP, I will lose my terminal connection, right? |
| 21:11:21 | Verxion | so then, the part I don't understand, is how I will command the IPAQ |
| 21:11:27 | bipolar | Verxion: Id be easy if you have an eth connection of some type. |
| 21:11:28 | cworth | Verxion: right, so then you setup ssh first. |
| 21:11:41 | Verxion | ahhhh, ok |
| 21:11:43 | Verxion | that makes sense |
| 21:11:49 | Verxion | only real issue is the IP. . . |
| 21:11:50 | bipolar | hates the lack of connectivity during install. |
| 21:12:05 | Verxion | let me check something |
| 21:12:05 | Verxion | sec |
| 21:12:05 | bipolar | Verxion: I built a cradle that does USB and Serial at the same time. :) |
| 21:12:13 | Verxion | bipolar: ROCK! |
| 21:12:37 | bipolar | Verxion: it uses diffrent pins, so it's not hard if you can solder the little buggers. |
| 21:13:36 | bipolar | Verxion: Compaq learned from that and the 3800's come with dual cradles. But thay dont work on 36xx/37xx's |
| 21:20:52 | Verxion | ok |
| 21:20:58 | Verxion | I got a wireless card plugged in here |
| 21:21:17 | Verxion | but it tried to find a module named airo_cs |
| 21:21:19 | Verxion | and couldn't find it |
| 21:21:22 | bipolar | Verxion: yay! |
| 21:21:24 | Verxion | so looks like wireless is a no go |
| 21:21:31 | bipolar | Verxion: just find the ipk that has that module. |
| 21:21:37 | bipolar | Verxion: That should not be hard. |
| 21:21:55 | Verxion | ok, looks like you guys call the ipk repositories "feeds" |
| 21:21:57 | | ipkgfind is at http://ipkgfind.48ers.dk/ |
| 21:21:57 | cmarqu | ibot: ipkgfind |
| 21:22:03 | Verxion | where is a feed that would . . . |
| 21:22:06 | cmarqu | Verxion: try ipkgfind |
| 21:22:06 | Verxion | you are ahead of me there |
| 21:22:07 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:22:08 | Verxion | thanks |
| 21:22:17 | Verxion | ipkgfind airo_cs |
| 21:22:29 | bipolar | Verxion: aironet-modules |
| 21:22:32 | | Verxion: sorry... |
| 21:22:32 | Verxion | ibot: ipkgfind airo_cs |
| 21:22:39 | bipolar | Verxion: get that module and install it. |
| 21:22:40 | | Verxion: excuse me? |
| 21:22:40 | Verxion | ibot: ipkgfind aironet-modules |
| 21:22:46 | Verxion | ok |
| 21:23:00 | bipolar | Verxion: ipkgfind is a web site. ibot is too stupid to help you. :) |
| 21:23:29 | Verxion | I thought it might be like the bots on #debian |
| 21:23:30 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:24:36 | Verxion | the problem with this entire line of thought is |
| 21:24:50 | Verxion | do you know if the wireless support in this driver has ipsec capability? |
| 21:25:16 | bipolar | Verxion: I don't know. I wish I had one. :) |
| 21:25:40 | bipolar | Verxion: I'm going to be getting a 802.11b CF card soon though. |
| 21:25:41 | Verxion | heh, here at Boeing, they are almost more of a pain than they are worth. . . |
| 21:25:58 | Verxion | bipolar: You may want to reconsider that. . . |
| 21:26:08 | bipolar | Verxion: ? |
| 21:26:12 | Verxion | the battery drain will be incredible and the cf sleeve doesn't have a battery like the pcmcia sleeves do |
| 21:26:32 | bipolar | Verxion: yeah, but I wont be using it for long periods. |
| 21:26:48 | bipolar | Verxion: Just to show off opie. :) |
| 21:27:14 | bipolar | wants to check email and web browse from the water cooler. |
| 21:28:20 | Verxion | ok |
| 21:28:29 | Verxion | so if I am going to use ipkg to install an ipk |
| 21:28:34 | Verxion | and the ipk is in the current directory. . . |
| 21:28:53 | Verxion | it looks like it doesn't like "ipkg install full_file_name.ipk" |
| 21:28:55 | bipolar | Verxion: ipkg install ./filename.ipk |
| 21:29:24 | Verxion | oh, it does work, just I forgot the .ipk on the ned |
| 21:29:26 | Verxion | er, end |
| 21:29:29 | Verxion | 'doh! |
| 21:30:19 | Verxion | depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.16-rmk1/./kernel/drivers/net/ |
| 21:30:20 | Verxion | wireless/airo_cs.o |
| 21:30:23 | Verxion | that isn't good |
| 21:30:39 | Verxion | I grabbed the one for the EXACT kernel that "uname -a" reports - 2.4.16-rmk1 |
| 21:30:52 | bipolar | Verxion: try loading the module. |
| 21:32:12 | Verxion | they loaded fine |
| 21:32:30 | bipolar | cool. Then you should not have a prob. |
| 21:33:19 | Verxion | ahh, fixed it |
| 21:33:35 | bipolar | Can you get the card to connect yo uto the network? |
| 21:33:41 | Verxion | the package put the modules into kernel/drivers/net/pcmcia/wireless |
| 21:33:48 | Verxion | I put them into pcmcia, and then kmod foudn it |
| 21:33:59 | Verxion | so now removal and insertion work |
| 21:34:12 | Verxion | now to try to configure the ethernet card itself |
| 21:34:30 | Verxion | what is familiar based on? |
| 21:34:33 | Verxion | debian? |
| 21:34:37 | Verxion | or is it its own thing? |
| 21:34:49 | bipolar | Verxion: debian, kindof |
| 21:34:56 | Verxion | ok, good, I love debian |
| 21:34:56 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:35:14 | bipolar | Verxion: the new version of ipkg is going to be able to use deb's as well. |
| 21:35:25 | Verxion | oooh |
| 21:35:27 | Verxion | no vi |
| 21:35:32 | cworth | Verxion: lots of binary are straight out of .debs |
| 21:35:45 | Verxion | what does one use on familiar to edit files? :) |
| 21:35:55 | Verxion | cat? |
| 21:35:56 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:36:06 | cworth | Verxion: I don't know why recent images don't have vi anymore. We used to have a little one in there. |
| 21:36:15 | Verxion | I will just use cat |
| 21:36:18 | bipolar | Or use zmodem to send modified files to it. |
| 21:36:28 | Verxion | thankfully the file I need to edit is super short |
| 21:37:05 | cworth | Verxion: you've got ed at least. ;-) |
| 21:37:17 | Verxion | I guess I missed out on that |
| 21:37:24 | Verxion | everyone I know from when I started using linux used ed |
| 21:37:28 | Verxion | I just never did myself |
| 21:38:14 | Verxion | is dhcpcd included? |
| 21:38:25 | cworth | Verxion: pump is. |
| 21:38:26 | Verxion | doesn't look like it |
| 21:38:31 | Verxion | ok |
| 21:38:51 | Verxion | I haven't used pump before |
| 21:39:01 | Verxion | you just call it right? |
| 21:39:03 | Verxion | no arguments? |
| 21:39:12 | cworth | Verxion: with 802.11 (no WEP) and DHCP you get instant-on ethernet from task-bootstrap. |
| 21:39:22 | cworth | Verxion: "pump -i eth0" |
| 21:39:51 | cworth | Verxion: the pcmcia scripts should be running pump for you automatically. |
| 21:39:52 | Verxion | hrm |
| 21:39:59 | Verxion | yeah, I dunno that this is gonna work then |
| 21:40:15 | Verxion | I don't see how to configure it to do ipsec |
| 21:44:45 | Verxion | ok, found a 3com 3c589D-TP |
| 21:44:47 | Verxion | gonna try that |
| 21:44:51 | Verxion | it is old enough it should work |
| 21:44:51 | Verxion | :) |
| 21:50:06 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 21:52:06 | Verxion | ok, I will brb in a moment, need to steal an ethernet connection for a moment |
| 22:15:50 | Verxion | ok |
| 22:15:54 | Verxion | can't do ethernet here at work |
| 22:16:00 | Verxion | so I am gonna have to install over zmodem |
| 22:16:21 | Verxion | I am transfering all of the opie files to the ipaq right now |
| 22:19:12 | Verxion | anyone alive in here? |
| 22:28:43 | Verxion | lord |
| 22:28:50 | Verxion | I installed opie and I just want to run it |
| 22:28:55 | Verxion | I don't see how to do it. :( |
| 22:32:36 | kergoth | Verxion: huh? |
| 22:32:46 | kergoth | Verxion: it adds a startup script.. runs when you boot up the ipaq |
| 22:32:47 | Verxion | I installed opie with ipkg |
| 22:32:56 | Verxion | ok |
| 22:32:59 | Verxion | is a reboot a reset? |
| 22:33:07 | Verxion | or can I do a "shutdown -r now"? |
| 22:33:11 | kergoth | either one |
| 22:33:13 | kergoth | iirc |
| 22:33:26 | Verxion | ok, thankya |
| 22:33:31 | kergoth | np |
| 22:35:04 | Verxion | hrm |
| 22:35:08 | Verxion | ok, it booted up |
| 22:35:12 | Verxion | but no gui launched |
| 22:35:34 | Verxion | just the penguin and a blinking cursor |
| 22:36:37 | Verxion | I installed the opie-base package as well as the others. . . |
| 22:44:47 | aixdude | Verxion: use your serial cradle to get into the ipaq |
| 22:44:53 | Verxion | I am |
| 22:44:57 | Verxion | but I installed opie |
| 22:45:06 | Verxion | I had thought that it would launch when I rebooted the ipaq |
| 22:45:32 | Verxion | instead, I got a penguin and a blinking cursor |
| 22:47:16 | Verxion | are you there aixdude? |
| 22:50:14 | Verxion | or, um, anyone? :) |
| 22:55:08 | aixdude | sorry |
| 22:55:14 | aixdude | i am struggling myself |
| 23:33:03 | jaseidel | anyone know where these IRC logs are? |
| 23:33:13 | jaseidel | are they searchable? |
| 23:36:25 | jaseidel | got it thx |