| 00:10:11 | VanH | I'm looking at the unstable feed, task-complete is there but I thought someone told me it was depreciated and not the way to go, Should I do task-x, task-mp3-player, and other things I want off the bat like bash? |
| 00:39:45 | | i think minicom is ok. In fact I did xmodem transfers from minicom. But after reseting, minicom receives dirty echo from serial port |
| 00:39:45 | VanH | ibot minicom |
| 09:06:15 | Noal | Spooky. |
| 09:07:13 | Noal | I must be a somewhat confused person, I just bought a iPAQ just to run Linux on it. [scratches his head] |
| 09:07:39 | Noal | Anywho, worked out great. :-) |
| 09:15:38 | Noal | (some problems related to reboot though) |
| 09:18:10 | Noal | Sort of quiet here, am I in the wrong timezone? :-) |
| 09:33:23 | Ng | it picks up a bit as the US people wake up |
| 09:44:32 | sgorf | Can someone give me a hand with tmake? It wants me to set TMAKEPATH; is that /usr/bin, or /usr/bin/tmake, or my build directory? |
| 09:46:23 | Ng | I would guess it'd be /usr/bin |
| 09:47:13 | sgorf | Thanks. I just dug through the manual, and decided it's /etc/tmake for no apparant reason. Seems to work (it wanted the path to template files, and /etc/tmake seemed to be the only place Debian had put anything) |
| 09:53:01 | Ng | fair enough :) |
| 10:03:48 | Noal | Does anyone know that status for 3800 development? |
| 10:04:03 | Noal | And or some more detailed docs than i could find on handhelds.org? :) |
| 10:04:31 | Noal | I've had some wierd problems and im still wondering if its a Software or Hardware problem. |
| 10:04:59 | Noal | My iPAQ 3850 (after been charged fully) discharges (while being properly suspended (entirely dark screen)) after just a few hours. |
| 10:05:11 | Noal | As if it couldn't switch off / "power down" properly. |
| 10:05:41 | Noal | I've only used WinCE to install the bootblaster, so i havent tested it yet. |
| 10:07:44 | Ng | try the Wiki |
| 10:07:53 | Noal | Wiki ? |
| 10:07:58 | | Support for the 3800 is in progress, might boot before 1/1/02, might be 'real' by 2/1/02. |
| 10:07:58 | Ng | ibot: 3800 |
| 10:08:11 | Ng | Noal: on www.handhelds.org there's a documentation system called a Wiki |
| 10:08:26 | Noal | Ah, there. |
| 10:09:19 | Noal | Ahh, allready been here, accidently slipped onto here with a google search i believe. |
| 10:10:25 | Noal | Neat, the hardware compatibility list I was searching for. :-) |
| 10:10:37 | Noal | Im a sucker for gizmos :-) |
| 10:11:36 | Ng | hehe |
| 10:11:53 | Ng | I think that would apply to almost all of the people currently playing with Linux on pda's |
| 10:12:01 | Noal | :-P |
| 10:12:03 | Ng | I've yet to encounter anyone actually using it for something practical ;) |
| 10:12:20 | Noal | Weeeeeell, I'm actually trying to get some usefull applications like packet sniffers etc. |
| 10:12:30 | Noal | And coding a "mini port" of our intranet for it. |
| 10:12:55 | Noal | I must say that my head sort of exploded with ideas when related with coding to the iPAQ :-P |
| 10:13:18 | Ng | hehe, the only bit that's really hard is fitting things into the tiny display |
| 10:13:59 | Noal | True, but after i made a 'rotate screen' button (basicly restarts X in 240x320@90 and normal mode), things were easier. |
| 10:15:01 | Noal | Also, some sort of virtual size helps alot :) |
| 10:15:06 | Noal | (Havent got to use yet) |
| 10:15:13 | Noal | Does Tiny X support virtual screen size ? |
| 10:16:12 | Ng | no idea, sorry |
| 10:16:31 | Noal | *scratches his beard* |
| 10:16:51 | Noal | I tested out icewm on the iPAQ, but it didnt seem to like window-`wrapping`. |
| 10:17:11 | Noal | Like say E, perhaps blackbox supports it. |
| 10:17:21 | Noal | *feels his left eye starting to twitch* |
| 10:17:31 | Ng | try matchbox, it's excellent |
| 10:17:41 | Noal | Neat, link ? |
| 10:17:43 | Ng | acutally |
| 10:17:56 | Ng | matchbox won't do virtual screen size stuff very nicely I suspect |
| 10:18:11 | Ng | it's kinda designed to keep windows on screen all the time |
| 10:18:15 | | rumour has it matchbox is a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed |
| 10:18:15 | Noal | ibot: matchbox |
| 10:18:25 | Ng | E would do the trick, but it's WAY too big and complex |
| 10:18:30 | Noal | True. |
| 10:18:56 | Noal | Well, im thinking something like this: |
| 10:19:10 | Noal | Developing applications that are 'split screen', half on one `page` second on next. |
| 10:19:28 | Noal | And then in 240x320-mode it would actually be sort of usefull. :-) |
| 10:19:44 | Noal | With a `virtual` desktop of 640x480, you can actually make some usefull programs. |
| 10:21:15 | Ng | it kinda dpends how you come at the UI design, that probably wouldn't work very well for people running different setups |
| 10:24:11 | Noal | *nod* |
| 10:27:01 | Noal | Mm, are there any good alternatives for a `contact manager` |
| 10:27:11 | Noal | Havent tried "mingle" yet, but storm sort of bugged, alot. :-P |
| 10:31:04 | Ng | I've only really played with mingle so far |
| 10:31:28 | Noal | Ok. :) |
| 15:31:10 | bipolar | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 15:31:20 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:00:05) |
| 18:57:56 | _MAX_ | hi |
| 18:58:03 | dc_ | good afternoon |
| 18:58:09 | _MAX_ | did someone have a running cross-compile environment? |
| 18:58:18 | _MAX_ | or can help me to build one |
| 19:12:14 | _MAX_ | hi Kero |
| 19:12:25 | Kero | hello |
| 19:12:26 | _MAX_ | did someone have expiriences in cross-compiling |
| 19:12:40 | Kero | yup. |
| 19:12:44 | _MAX_ | cool |
| 19:12:59 | _MAX_ | i need to build a new libpcap and Net::Pcap |
| 19:13:02 | _MAX_ | can you help me |
| 19:13:09 | _MAX_ | please |
| 19:13:21 | _MAX_ | its for the following project: www.remote-exploit.org |
| 19:13:52 | _MAX_ | i need a new libpcap due the fact that 802.11b frames are only supported in newer versions |
| 19:14:01 | Kero | funny name for a project |
| 19:14:04 | Kero | takes a look. |
| 19:14:58 | _MAX_ | Kero: The program is named wellenreiter, its an wireless audit tool. It runs on my ipaq, but not the scanner window, this needs the library |
| 19:16:38 | _MAX_ | Kero: i tried it to bring up a cross-compile toolchain, but it told me that arm-gcc is not able to build executables |
| 19:16:47 | Kero | You'll need the toolchain and the header files of the arm kernel. |
| 19:16:50 | | it has been said that toolchain is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Toolchains |
| 19:16:50 | Kero | ibot, toolchain |
| 19:17:17 | _MAX_ | Kero: i got it i guess |
| 19:17:22 | Kero | ok |
| 19:17:46 | _MAX_ | do you got a running environment? |
| 19:17:51 | Kero | does libpcap use configure? |
| 19:18:00 | _MAX_ | yes |
| 19:18:18 | _MAX_ | ./configure --target=arm-linux --without-flex --without-bison |
| 19:18:18 | Kero | has his own feed with about a dozen compiled packages |
| 19:18:42 | Kero | what does it mention as compiler? |
| 19:19:13 | _MAX_ | Kero: arm-linux-gcc ...resp. the environment variable CC |
| 19:19:23 | Kero | some configure scripts take arm-linux-gcc from the target, others don't |
| 19:19:36 | Kero | some scripts accept --with-tools |
| 19:19:42 | Kero | some scripts accept --with-tools=arm-linux- |
| 19:20:01 | _MAX_ | i guess it takes it |
| 19:20:14 | Kero | good. |
| 19:20:31 | Kero | Could you give an example of a compile line as make uses? |
| 19:20:44 | Kero | Are the -I options OK? |
| 19:20:51 | _MAX_ | i dont come to make |
| 19:20:56 | _MAX_ | its allready in configure |
| 19:21:15 | _MAX_ | wich toolchain you prefer, i have lots here |
| 19:21:31 | _MAX_ | i have the current version of familiar, if this is important for the decision |
| 19:21:41 | Kero | the toolchain from Compaq |
| 19:22:05 | Kero | No, it's not important. No major glibc changes and such. |
| 19:22:18 | _MAX_ | ah..and the kernel headers? |
| 19:23:31 | _MAX_ | Kero is the skiff one ok? |
| 19:23:32 | Kero | wouldn't know whether there is a pakage for that... |
| 19:23:48 | Kero | the one that goes into /skiff is what I use. |
| 19:24:09 | Kero | uses a kernel from CVS and compiles it himself. Headers for free. |
| 19:24:17 | _MAX_ | ok i have this |
| 19:24:36 | _MAX_ | ok when i have the skiff unpacket |
| 19:25:03 | _MAX_ | what should i do, i did add ..../skiff/bin to the $PATH |
| 19:25:16 | Kero | should be /skiff/local/bin |
| 19:25:26 | Kero | then you have arm-linux-gcc |
| 19:25:30 | Kero | instead of gcc |
| 19:26:24 | _MAX_ | ok i have skiff at /skiff |
| 19:26:44 | _MAX_ | ok then i should add /skiff/local/bin to the path? |
| 19:26:47 | Kero | For some reason unknown to me, it must be in /skiff or won't work :( |
| 19:26:57 | Kero | yup, I add it to the end. |
| 19:28:38 | _MAX_ | ok i added not the path |
| 19:28:50 | _MAX_ | now i made a /src dir and put in lipcap |
| 19:29:02 | _MAX_ | now only configure? |
| 19:29:49 | Kero | sure, give it a try. |
| 19:32:58 | _MAX_ | shit.... |
| 19:33:11 | _MAX_ | checking Linux kernel version... unknown |
| 19:33:12 | _MAX_ | configure: error: cannot determine linux version when cross-compiling |
| 19:33:30 | _MAX_ | got it |
| 19:33:33 | _MAX_ | hope so |
| 19:33:55 | _MAX_ | no , shit its wrong |
| 19:34:34 | Kero | --target=arm-gnu-linux ? |
| 19:35:09 | Kero | or is it looking in kernel header files? |
| 19:35:26 | _MAX_ | i guess looking füor kernel headers |
| 19:35:42 | Kero | The last (failed) test has results and stuff in config.log, you can look there. |
| 19:36:45 | _MAX_ | checking whether to build parser debugging code... no |
| 19:36:45 | _MAX_ | checking Linux kernel version... unknown |
| 19:36:45 | _MAX_ | configure: error: cannot determine linux version when cross-compiling |
| 19:38:07 | Kero | that's the last three lines of config.log? |
| 19:39:42 | _MAX_ | this is it: |
| 19:39:44 | _MAX_ | configure:1623: checking whether to build optimizer debugging code |
| 19:39:45 | _MAX_ | configure:1639: checking whether to build parser debugging code |
| 19:39:45 | _MAX_ | configure:1724: checking Linux kernel version |
| 19:40:13 | _MAX_ | can i specify linux version? or how to i give the headers correctly |
| 19:44:15 | sgorf | _MAX_: Read the configure script, search for "checking Linux kernel version" and see if you can figure out where it's looking |
| 19:45:43 | _MAX_ | hmmm ok..but can maybe some of you try to compile the libpcap-current from tcpdump.org please |
| 19:47:46 | _MAX_ | hmm ugly lots of weird stuff |
| 19:49:04 | Kero | it doesn't recognize arm-linux-gcc |
| 19:50:51 | Kero | hm, that's 0.6.simethign |
| 19:52:18 | _MAX_ | halleluca... |
| 19:52:26 | _MAX_ | heureka |
| 19:52:30 | Kero | -current idem. |
| 19:52:31 | _MAX_ | i got it i belive |
| 19:53:39 | _MAX_ | i had to set a variable |
| 19:55:24 | _MAX_ | do i need so set ranlib etc. |
| 19:55:29 | Kero | if I speify CC and tell --with-pcap=TYPE, no kernel version configured, but the script finishes |
| 19:55:37 | Kero | Yes, you do. |
| 19:55:47 | Kero | this configure script s*cks for cross compiling. |
| 19:56:39 | Kero | you'll have to specify the whole set of executables, CC, LD, etc |
| 19:59:06 | _MAX_ | shit ...how? |
| 19:59:14 | _MAX_ | CONFIG_SITE |
| 20:20:18 | _MAX_ | help! i did have now pcap build i guess, but why it makes only a libpcap.a and not a libpcap.so |
| 20:20:20 | _MAX_ | ? |
| 20:21:29 | _MAX_ | Kero: do you know why? |
| 20:21:53 | Kero | mm.. |
| 20:22:24 | Kero | don;t see a --with-shared option for configure or something. |
| 20:22:53 | Kero | probably fastest to run the gcc command by hand to build the library, but add "-shared" |
| 20:24:05 | wudoo | hmm |
| 20:24:30 | wudoo | can anyone tell me how to copy file from ipaq to other computer without ppp |
| 20:24:31 | wudoo | ? |
| 20:24:47 | Kero | rz/sz |
| 20:24:50 | Kero | form minicom |
| 20:24:54 | Kero | frmo, even |
| 20:25:00 | Kero | needs to learn to type :( |
| 20:25:13 | wudoo | but i cant recieve from minicom while i am typing sz |
| 20:25:19 | wudoo | you know what i mean? |
| 20:25:27 | wudoo | i get 0 file everytime i try |
| 20:25:59 | cmarqu | wudoo: http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/Why%20am%20I%20unable%20to%20use%20minicom%20to%20install%20Linux%20on%20my%20iPAQ |
| 20:26:21 | Kero | sz file |
| 20:26:36 | Kero | then type ^A something to accpt in minicom |
| 20:26:56 | Kero | _MAX_: does the -shared help? |
| 20:33:42 | Kero | hasn't read anything since he asked _MAX_ whether -shared worked. |
| 20:33:52 | Kero | My mistake, stoopid fonts... |
| 20:35:20 | mallum | hi kero, how is xlib today ? |
| 20:35:53 | Kero | hey mallum |
| 20:36:03 | Kero | xlib still works :) |
| 20:36:19 | Kero | My battery has been lasting >9 days, now. |
| 20:36:28 | Kero | and my agenda app + matchbox work fine. |
| 20:37:22 | Kero | will upgrade his distro on iPAQ when the battery runs out. |
| 20:37:37 | Kero | kernel, ipkg, matchbox... |
| 20:48:10 | _MAX_ | Kero: shit ...i dont bring it to run :-( |
| 20:48:43 | mallum | Kero: Im pretty sure matchbox will leak memory if you change themes on the fly alot |
| 20:49:02 | Kero | mallum: I'm not a themes person. |
| 20:49:09 | Kero | but thanks for warning :) |
| 20:49:26 | _MAX_ | i hope someone will compile the actual version...i dont know how |
| 20:49:40 | Kero | _MAX_: what's wrong? segfaults? |
| 20:49:47 | mallum | Kero: I have a proper designer doing some themes and icons for me |
| 20:49:50 | Kero | loading? |
| 20:50:21 | Kero | try `file libpcap.so` and such, to be sure it is of the proper type. |
| 20:50:27 | Kero | mallum: kewl! |
| 20:50:37 | _MAX_ | Kero: na, i guess the whole is wrong, i cannot buld a shared library |
| 20:50:41 | Kero | that's what all hackers need for their screenshots :) |
| 20:50:46 | Kero | Can I borrow him? |
| 20:51:00 | mallum | I sure he'd work for cash |
| 20:51:08 | mallum | I used to work with him |
| 20:51:13 | Kero | _MAX_: hrm. May be you need the option -fPIC |
| 20:51:27 | Kero | waves to MAX |
| 20:52:24 | Kero | mallum: paying cash for my free source toolkit. Otoh, I have spare money, so why not... |
| 20:52:28 | Kero | maybe. |
| 20:52:39 | Kero | though I'd probably get someone from down here. |
| 20:53:06 | Kero | has some direct colleagues quite capable of designing UIs |
| 21:14:06 | wudoo | anyone can tell me how can i speed up bootloader? |
| 21:14:22 | wudoo | it w8 alot of seconds before booting |
| 21:14:36 | Kero | green led blinking? |
| 21:14:52 | Kero | it is checking your jffs2 file system, coz it takes some info from there. |
| 21:15:04 | wudoo | hmm |
| 21:15:09 | Kero | Of course, unless you are a developper, you should alomost never need to reboot. |
| 21:15:19 | wudoo | well i will develope |
| 21:15:35 | Kero | Cool. what will you develop? |
| 21:16:06 | wudoo | for now i will try to port octave to opie |
| 21:16:44 | Kero | while being at #familiar :) |
| 21:17:32 | wudoo | well i will maybe develope smthn for familiar too |
| 21:18:02 | wudoo | but one step at the time |
| 21:19:30 | Kero | np :) |
| 21:20:18 | wudoo | is it possible to use xwindows and opie at the same time? |
| 21:20:33 | wudoo | i mean and qt/e |
| 21:22:27 | Kero | dunno, I only use X |
| 21:22:55 | wudoo | ok i will reinstall my ipaq |
| 21:23:03 | wudoo | with full familiar and try |
| 22:12:57 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 23:03:38 | bipolar | is back (gone 00:50:40) |