| 02:58:15 | Rogga | anyone home? |
| 02:58:47 | Rogga | can anyone tell me which ipkg contains the 'ps' command, please? |
| 03:00:17 | fsto | Rogga: did task-bootstrap, task-complete, and it was there. |
| 03:00:51 | Rogga | with path set correctly? |
| 03:01:30 | fsto | Rogga: Yup |
| 03:01:51 | Rogga | hmm... |
| 03:02:04 | Rogga | did u do the postinstall thing also? |
| 03:02:26 | Rogga | I'm porting to another machine so havent followed the 'usual'.... |
| 03:02:27 | fsto | Rogga: yes, running 0.5.1 |
| 03:02:46 | fsto | gutsy |
| 03:02:56 | Rogga | :) thanks- I think |
| 03:04:06 | fsto | took me a week to get 0.5.1 to work on H3850... |
| 03:06:52 | Rogga | i'm bashing drivers etc at more-or-less same time - e.g. touch screen calibration |
| 03:07:53 | fsto | ..but now i have frogger and missile command on xstella. Life is good. xcalibrate, did weird things when i tried it... |
| 03:08:48 | Rogga | yeah, i believe it has a few 'interesting properties' ;-) |
| 03:08:57 | Rogga | like not coping with a rotated screen |
| 03:09:21 | Rogga | or in my case, not always appearing.... hence need for ps :) |
| 03:09:40 | Rogga | i found pstree in psmisc packeage (which i just installed) |
| 03:10:05 | Rogga | foo - it works :) |
| 03:10:36 | fsto | or like completely inversing the movements (left=right & up=down !?!). Cool for ps, i thing everything came with task-complete. |
| 03:11:50 | Rogga | i think i have inverted movements because the touch tail connector from the screen is reversible and i have!! |
| 03:12:20 | Rogga | i used one of the more minimal installs to bootstrap from - can't rem which one at moment |
| 03:13:18 | Rogga | i tweaked my ts driver to reverse one axis only (had broken hardware!) - now up is down, vice versa, left=L, R=R... makes lif interesting ;-) |
| 03:14:30 | fsto | Aaaah. Hardware. Can't live with it, can't throw it out the window... euh wait... |
| 03:15:40 | fsto | Gottago, goonight! |
| 03:15:47 | Rogga | ok thanks for chat cya later |
| 06:04:05 | m4a1 | hello there =) |
| 10:47:26 | mallum | aloha all |
| 14:01:31 | dd2 | hi i'm trying familiar 0.52pre1 on ipaq3650 and after install task-bootserial task-complete and succesful networking i've realized that upon boot there were module loading problems. Cant open /dev/touchscreen so no X, no access to hw clock. It complains about missing /etc/modules file. Should it contain anything other than ppp stuff? |
| 14:15:00 | bipolar | is back (gone 51:30:22) |
| 16:09:25 | nikos | a7r: Did you come out with a fix for the libssl problem yet? |
| 18:28:23 | nikos | a7r: Are you around? |
| 18:59:57 | kergoth | anyone know how ipkg/C handlings alternate dest's for package installs? |
| 19:46:58 | VerxWork | hello everyone |
| 19:47:01 | VerxWork | how goes familiar? |
| 19:47:16 | VerxWork | is 0.5.2pre1 decent? |
| 19:49:28 | VerxWork | guess no one is alive in here. . . |
| 19:49:51 | Wooble | (kinda ;) ) |
| 19:49:56 | VerxWork | heh |
| 19:59:55 | K-Rich | greets |
| 20:00:38 | K-Rich | Is familiar a good choice to run on an old 386/40 ? I'm trying to set up this box, and most the options for older hardware and umsdos based BS |
| 20:00:58 | Wooble | K-Rich: check out intimate |
| 20:01:07 | Wooble | familiar of dor systems without too much space |
| 20:01:18 | Wooble | intimate can handle larger resources... |
| 20:01:56 | K-Rich | got a url or shall i google? |
| 20:02:20 | Disconnect | Wooble: intimate is just debian. which is a good choice for that, if you have 8M or more of ram.. |
| 20:02:29 | Disconnect | K-Rich: familiar is only for ipaq.. |
| 20:02:49 | Wooble | Disconnect: ARM-based PDA's, to be correct. |
| 20:03:02 | Disconnect | (and intimate is just ipaq-specific utils + debian-arm) |
| 20:03:11 | K-Rich | this intimate looks like it's for the ipaq as well :/ |
| 20:03:24 | Disconnect | Wooble: not really. try it on not an ipaq some time - no x server, no touchscreen driver, no kernels...... |
| 20:03:44 | Disconnect | K-Rich: right, listen again. intimate is JUST debian linux, plus ipaq and strongarm-pda specific utils. |
| 20:03:54 | Disconnect | K-Rich: debian might be a good choice tho. how much ram/storage is there? |
| 20:04:13 | VerxWork | well, I am installing familiar 0.5.2pre1 |
| 20:04:14 | K-Rich | 8MB ram and 1.6GB disk |
| 20:04:22 | VerxWork | hopefully it will work well enough to be usable |
| 20:04:28 | mallum | Disconnect: hi |
| 20:04:33 | VerxWork | I really REALLY wish someone would update parts of opie |
| 20:04:35 | Disconnect | then debian should work fine.. |
| 20:04:38 | VerxWork | it is getting old |
| 20:04:43 | Disconnect | be sure to read the low-mem install notes tho |
| 20:04:44 | K-Rich | maybe after i get a working system i'll make it my own dist lol |
| 20:04:57 | Disconnect | K-Rich: www.linuxfromscratch.org ;) |
| 20:05:05 | K-Rich | Disconnect: well, i guess i have a few (3) iso's to get heh |
| 20:05:13 | Disconnect | K-Rich: or just 5 floppies |
| 20:05:16 | K-Rich | Disconnect: it's not on my lan yet heh |
| 20:05:22 | Disconnect | K-Rich: or rtfm (install docs) and just get one. |
| 20:06:08 | mallum | Disconnect: poke |
| 20:06:52 | Disconnect | mallum: am catching up on jobhunting. whats up? |
| 20:07:13 | K-Rich | whoa... I JUST FOUND AN old |rh5.2 CD HERE IN MY BOX |
| 20:07:17 | K-Rich | damn capslock |
| 20:07:24 | VerxWork | heh, I still have rh 2.0 |
| 20:07:35 | VerxWork | piece -o- crap that redhat is |
| 20:07:47 | VerxWork | not much has changed since 2.0 in redhat |
| 20:07:51 | VerxWork | it still sucks arse |
| 20:07:52 | VerxWork | :) |
| 20:07:54 | K-Rich | lemme see... RH5.2 still had kde 1.2 right? |
| 20:07:55 | Disconnect | has the 1992 linux dist kit - 6 cds.. all of sunsite, couple of dists, etc.. |
| 20:08:03 | K-Rich | might work on this old box |
| 20:08:09 | Disconnect | here's a hint.. X isn't gonna work. |
| 20:08:12 | Wooble | VerxWork: try RH 7.2 |
| 20:08:16 | VerxWork | wooble: I have |
| 20:08:17 | Wooble | VerxWork: nice PS |
| 20:08:19 | VerxWork | VERY briefly |
| 20:08:24 | VerxWork | hated every single moment of it |
| 20:08:27 | Wooble | VerxWork: so, it's running nice |
| 20:08:37 | Wooble | VerxWork: I still love every moment :) |
| 20:08:41 | VerxWork | heh |
| 20:08:43 | VerxWork | good fer u |
| 20:08:56 | K-Rich | errrr.... i usually run freebsd myself, but, it's handing at 7% of the install so :/ |
| 20:09:31 | K-Rich | anywho... thanks for the info guys, i appriciate it |
| 20:09:33 | VerxWork | I love how ALL of the familiar web pages that talk about thier different jffs2 images incorrectly list the contents |
| 20:09:33 | K-Rich | bye |
| 20:11:46 | mallum | Disconnect: dont mean to hassle you but Im waiting on fixing your bugs that crash matchbox before next release .... |
| 20:13:10 | mallum | Disconnect: thing is I need to know whats actually crashing it .... |
| 20:13:51 | Disconnect | mallum: nor do I. and jobhunting comes before poking matchbox (for that matter, until I can get ipaqstat off the skiffcluster and make my fixes - hopefully in time for 0.5.2 - thats the first priority) |
| 20:14:03 | Disconnect | unless you'll buy food? cuz we can't. |
| 20:14:19 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 20:14:35 | VerxWork | appears that the current familiar 0.5.2pre1 might be a tad bit busted. . . :( |
| 20:16:26 | mallum | Disconnect: ok, well next time you fire up your ipaq, try and remember what you did before it crashes .... |
| 20:17:22 | VerxWork | there is no xirc2ps driver for familiar 0.5.2pre1 |
| 20:17:30 | Disconnect | mallum: there is no repeatability, except for the fact that it happens on a fairly regular basis (whether I'm typing on it or not) whenever there are apps running. |
| 20:17:57 | Disconnect | mallum: if cvs version dumps a decent amount of debugging info, I'll set that restarter script to save it out every time it crashes. |
| 20:18:09 | mallum | Disconnect: hmmm, its wierd cos you are the only one that gets the crash .... |
| 20:18:34 | mallum | Disconnect: thats why its bugging me :( |
| 20:18:47 | Disconnect | mallum: you should hang here more often.. ;) |
| 20:18:52 | Disconnect | mallum: then maybe its gaim-related.. |
| 20:19:14 | Disconnect | notes that gaim doesn't crash icewm or ion. |
| 20:21:17 | Disconnect | and it is running 90% or more of the time that the ipaq has any X apps running |
| 20:21:59 | VerxWork | wonderful |
| 20:22:07 | VerxWork | ok, so no networking on familiar 0.5.2pre1 |
| 20:22:08 | VerxWork | bleh |
| 20:22:19 | VerxWork | goes ahead an grabs the old 0.5.1 |
| 20:22:20 | VerxWork | :( |
| 20:22:30 | mallum | Disconnect: well nobodys reporting it on bugzilla, the matchbox mailing list nor here ( where Im about most of the time ) ..... |
| 20:23:44 | Disconnect | mallum: I hear about it on #handhelds.org every now and then. |
| 20:24:01 | Disconnect | is pondering saying to hell with this sat feed and seeing if the cablemodems here are any good. |
| 20:24:22 | Disconnect | fortunately, no contracts on either end.. and 30 days "get every dime back" on the cable service.. so if it sucks I just plug my sat back in. |
| 20:25:34 | mallum | Disconnect: well if your here anyone saying it tell them to either a) _use_ bugzilla b) mail me c) mail matchbox mailing list |
| 20:25:49 | mallum | Disconnect: otherwise it will not get fixed :( |
| 20:26:19 | Disconnect | mallum: thats fine. here's my email: "Add verbose debugging output or logging so I can collect info on when/why it crashes." ;) |
| 20:26:26 | VerxWork | so why are all of the 0.5.2-pre1 images using 2.4.18-rmk3 kernels while there are no modules for that kernel?!?!? |
| 20:26:34 | Disconnect | goes back to jobhunting. |
| 20:26:38 | Disconnect | VerxWork: add the 2.4.18 feed |
| 20:26:46 | VerxWork | rofl |
| 20:26:50 | VerxWork | well |
| 20:26:52 | mallum | Disconnect: matchbox is f**king complicated, it _very_ easy for me to fix one thing and break another, I cant test everything I need help ! |
| 20:26:54 | VerxWork | it doesn't have networking |
| 20:27:06 | VerxWork | so I can't very well add that feed to an image without networking |
| 20:27:07 | VerxWork | :) |
| 20:27:10 | mallum | Disconnect: there are debug ipkgs at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables |
| 20:27:36 | VerxWork | disconnect: Where is the 2.4.18 feed at? I will try to manually add the packages I need to get networking to work |
| 20:27:56 | | feeds is probably listed at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 20:27:56 | Disconnect | ibot: feeds |
| 20:27:58 | VerxWork | ipkgfind is unaware of the 2.4.18 feed |
| 20:28:22 | Disconnect | mallum: ok will grab one once I finish the jobhunting and get ipaqstat sources down (since that is the other thing I need to do - detect panel size) |
| 20:28:30 | VerxWork | thanks disconnect |
| 20:28:57 | mallum | Disconnect: I'll build a CVS ipkg with debug turned on specially for you and put it up there .. |
| 20:29:13 | bipolar_away | is away: I'm not here... Really.... |
| 20:29:23 | VerxWork | yeah, the unstable feed is missing the rmk3 modules |
| 20:29:25 | VerxWork | durn it |
| 20:29:53 | VerxWork | looks at lorien |
| 20:30:25 | Disconnect | mallum: ok with any luck I'll get it tonight, AND get it to reproduce the crash ;) |
| 20:30:33 | Disconnect | (or, with more luck, it'll be stable ;) ..) |
| 20:31:54 | VerxWork | disconnect: When you said to use the 2.4.18 feed, did you mean: |
| 20:31:55 | VerxWork | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l |
| 20:31:58 | VerxWork | or something else? |
| 20:32:19 | Disconnect | VerxWork: I mean the feed specifically called 2.4.18 |
| 20:32:54 | VerxWork | ok, well ibot's web page doesn't list a feed called 2.4.18 |
| 20:33:07 | Disconnect | ibot: search for 2.4.18 |
| 20:33:17 | VerxWork | oh, cool |
| 20:33:23 | VerxWork | didn't know you could have it search like that |
| 20:33:28 | VerxWork | that will be helpful |
| 20:33:37 | Disconnect | ok tag in #handhelds.org is what I can suggest. |
| 20:33:45 | Disconnect | thought there used to be a 2.4.18 feed |
| 20:34:09 | VerxWork | well, I guess just figured with this being the "#Familiar" channel, someone here might know where the familiar feed was |
| 20:34:17 | VerxWork | tried on #handhelds.org |
| 20:34:35 | aixdude | VerxWork: familiar.handhelds.org |
| 20:35:19 | VerxWork | what dir under familiar.handhelds.org though? |
| 20:36:08 | aixdude | why would you want to use 2.4.18 ? RTC wake-up is broken ?? |
| 20:36:31 | aixdude | also, ppp seems to have issues |
| 20:36:41 | aixdude | i use 2.4.17-rmk4 |
| 20:37:38 | aixdude | you can try the lorien feeds for 2.4.17/18 - it's on the wiki on handhelds.org under feeds... ;) |
| 20:38:58 | VerxWork | aixdude: I looked at that. very hard to find anything on there. looks like there are just links to 5 or 6 familiar ftp sites |
| 20:50:44 | mallum | Disconnect: http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/matchbox_0.2.0Pre_arm.ipk |
| 20:51:07 | mallum | Disconnect: built with debug turned _ON_ |
| 20:51:15 | Disconnect | mallum: ok ipkg-installing now.. |
| 20:55:43 | aixdude | mallum: what does matchbox do? |
| 20:56:02 | mallum | aixdude: crash |
| 20:56:06 | Disconnect | haha |
| 20:56:12 | Disconnect | its like ion, only better. ;) |
| 20:56:13 | aixdude | lol |
| 20:56:34 | aixdude | Disconnect: he answered: "crash" :) |
| 20:56:44 | Disconnect | can read. ;) |
| 20:57:06 | aixdude | huh, it thought tthat was _private_ :) |
| 20:57:17 | aixdude | dozy sh*t |
| 20:57:29 | | i heard matchbox was a X11 window manager for handheld devices. Info, screenshots & downloadable at http://handhelds.org/~mallum/matchbox . Ipkg is in the familiar unstable feed |
| 20:57:29 | mallum | ibot: matchbox |
| 21:00:24 | aixdude | very nice |
| 21:00:37 | aixdude | why am i running opie? |
| 21:06:11 | Disconnect | cuz you are slow ;) |
| 21:07:20 | aixdude | but i want handwriting input with predictive text input... |
| 21:31:23 | cosentino | hello |
| 21:31:31 | cosentino | witch wm would you install? all |
| 21:49:59 | Cord | a7r-? |
| 21:51:59 | Cord | my python2.2 seems to be broken as described by a7r end of March... he mentioned to download libfixframeinfo.so from his $HOME on hh. but that is forbidden. |
| 21:52:59 | a7r- | it is? |
| 21:53:18 | Cord | sh-2.03# wget http://www.handhelds.org/~a7r/outgoing/python2.2/libfixframeinfo.so |
| 21:53:24 | Cord | Connecting to www.handhelds.org:80... connected! |
| 21:53:24 | Cord | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden |
| 21:53:24 | Cord | 23:52:27 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 21:53:27 | a7r- | Cord: try again. |
| 21:53:43 | Cord | ah thnx. |
| 21:54:10 | nikos | a7r-: Hiya, ever get a chance to work on the libssl issue? |
| 21:54:25 | a7r- | nikos: which one? |
| 21:54:51 | Cord | rats. doesn't help. |
| 21:55:22 | Cord | . o O ( looks like that libssl issue ;-) |
| 21:55:29 | Cord | ImportError: libssl.so.0.9.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 21:55:56 | a7r- | yeah, I'm going to upload fam3 as soon as it's done building. |
| 21:56:19 | Cord | a7r: that means in the next few hours? |
| 21:56:31 | a7r- | it means < 5 minutes. |
| 21:56:41 | Cord | great. |
| 21:56:46 | Cord | thanks for your work. |
| 22:05:38 | a7r- | Cord: try that. |
| 22:05:56 | Cord | ok. |
| 22:06:33 | Cord | --00:12:36-- http://familiar.handhelds.org:80/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/python-xmlbase_2.2-fam3_arm.ipk |
| 22:06:36 | Cord | 00:12:37 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 22:06:50 | a7r- | fucking umask. |
| 22:06:55 | Cord | *g* |
| 22:07:17 | a7r- | try it. |
| 22:07:25 | Cord | better :-) |
| 22:08:16 | Cord | Upgrading python-lang from 2.2-fam2 to 2.2-fam3 |
| 22:08:16 | Cord | ipkg: invalid compressed data--crc error |
| 22:08:18 | Cord | ipkg: invalid compressed data--length error |
| 22:08:21 | Cord | huh? |
| 22:08:33 | a7r- | hmm, that's busted. |
| 22:08:56 | Cord | but looks as if it is installed afterwards. |
| 22:09:05 | Cord | Removing obsolesced file /usr/lib/python2.2/types.pyc |
| 22:09:05 | a7r- | weird. |
| 22:09:05 | Cord | Removing obsolesced file /usr/lib/python2.2/__future__.pyc |
| 22:09:05 | Cord | Removing obsolesced file /usr/lib/python2.2/getopt.pyc |
| 22:09:09 | Cord | ipkg: invalid compressed data--crc error |
| 22:09:09 | Cord | ipkg: invalid compressed data--length error |
| 22:09:12 | Cord | Configuring python-lang...Done |
| 22:11:06 | Cord | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for python-io: |
| 22:11:09 | Cord | libssl095a |
| 22:11:25 | Cord | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for libssl0.9.6: |
| 22:11:28 | Cord | libcrypto-0.9.6 (= 0.9.6c-2) |
| 22:13:17 | Cord | (is it normal that upgrading python-base takes minutes?) |
| 22:14:10 | a7r- | yeah, that's fixed in my sandbox, but not in the tree.. just install libcrypto. |
| 22:14:17 | a7r- | er libcrypto0.9.6 |
| 22:14:32 | Cord | Package libcrypto0.9.6 (0.9.6c-2) installed in root is up to date |
| 22:14:52 | Cord | ok. upgrade is done. |
| 22:15:21 | Cord | and there's still that libssl problem. |
| 22:15:35 | a7r- | it's still demanding 0.9.5? |
| 22:15:50 | Cord | sh-2.03# chronicle.py |
| 22:15:50 | Cord | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 22:15:50 | Cord | File "/usr/bin/chronicle.py", line 41, in ? |
| 22:15:55 | Cord | import socket |
| 22:15:56 | Cord | File "/scratch/a7r/python-2.2/debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.2/socket.py", line 39, in ? |
| 22:15:59 | Cord | ImportError: libssl.so.0.9.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 22:16:05 | a7r- | Cord: you can just say ``yes''. ;) |
| 22:16:13 | Cord | 'yes' ;-) |
| 22:16:35 | a7r- | sure enough. |
| 22:16:56 | a7r- | hold a minute. |
| 22:17:08 | Cord | (sorry, if you'd use perl i would be able to help more :-) |
| 22:17:11 | Cord | *ducks* |
| 22:18:29 | Cord | hmm. /etc/menu-methods/gtk-menu still bails out. |
| 22:24:22 | Cord | ah... ah CVS-dir. |
| 22:45:51 | Cord | ok. i'm nearly 1hour overtime. i'll try again tomo^H^Hday. g'night. |
| 23:49:43 | picoradio | anybody know if there's a spectrum24t driver available for 2.4.16-rmk1? The one on the feeds appears to be empty. |