| 00:33:00 | _MAX_ | hi all |
| 02:20:31 | DaveH | has anyone plans to port a pdf and/or postscript viewer to familiar ? |
| 02:54:33 | Disconnect | DaveH: I started porting xpdf. it was a mess. too many assumptions about what is a readable font size. |
| 08:11:20 | Jacmet | Disconnect: you might want to look at qpdf if you are porting xpdf |
| 08:11:33 | Jacmet | Disconnect: http://www.softforge.de/qpdf/ |
| 08:12:03 | Jacmet | there's some fixedpoint optimizations in it |
| 15:41:41 | sdalu | Hi, is there an easy way to build the familiar distribution from the sources? And where are the source for all the ipkg? |
| 15:48:01 | nikos | sdalu: There's no standardization on that yet, you would have to contact each maintainer for source. We are still working out source ipkgs. |
| 15:48:21 | nikos | sdalu: Some is on handhelds.org cvs, but not most. |
| 15:48:54 | Jacmet | sdalu: quite a lot of them are just repacked debian/arm binaries |
| 15:50:16 | nikos | Jacmet: That's true. |
| 15:51:00 | Jacmet | sdalu: so you can get the source code for those through debian |
| 15:52:27 | nikos | Jacmet: Yes, the only problem is figuring out which packages that is, you can tell sometimes from the ipkg info if there is a Debian maintainer listed that it is probably the case. |
| 15:52:40 | Jacmet | true |
| 15:53:19 | nikos | sdalu: Catch all that? ;) |
| 15:53:32 | sdalu | ok, doesn't look easy |
| 15:53:58 | nikos | sdalu: No, that's still something to be worked out. What is your goal? Different platform? |
| 15:54:18 | sdalu | i need the ruby-gtk module |
| 15:55:20 | sdalu | and if y remember the ruby version in the ipkg is ruby 1.6, and i only found in debian the ruby-gtk for version 1.4, ... |
| 15:56:26 | Jacmet | sdalu: did you only look at debian/stable? |
| 15:57:30 | sdalu | yes it was 1.4 in stable and 1.6 in testing (in the Contents-arm.gz) but didn't manage to find the real package |
| 16:00:29 | yupkies | Someone can help me, i've a problem! |
| 16:00:38 | yupkies | When i try to install xkbd |
| 16:00:54 | yupkies | with ipkg install xkbd_0.3-1_arm.ipk |
| 16:00:54 | sdalu | Jacmet: if i've understood the debian package should be interpreters/libgtk-ruby, but it just doesn't exist in ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-arm |
| 16:01:27 | yupkies | i have this message :/usr/bin/ipkg: //usr/lib/ipkg/info/xkbd.postinst: not found |
| 16:01:40 | sdalu | Jacmet: i should say i've never try debian before, so it is possible that i'm lost in the debian packaging process |
| 16:01:51 | yupkies | but xkbd.postinst exist |
| 16:02:00 | yupkies | what's the matter? |
| 16:02:46 | yupkies | I have familiar v0.51 |
| 16:03:12 | nikos | sdalu: You really need to contact Kero about Ruby in familiar. |
| 16:03:50 | nikos | yupkies: What src lines do you have in /etc/ipkg.conf ? |
| 16:04:26 | sdalu | nikos: what is his email? |
| 16:04:36 | nikos | sdalu: Do 'ipkg info ruby'. |
| 16:05:02 | sdalu | nikos: ok got it |
| 16:05:13 | yupkies | src v0.5.1 http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/packages/armv4l |
| 16:05:20 | nikos | yupkies: Also, could you check and make sure you have free space? Run 'df'. |
| 16:06:00 | yupkies | 3800 free |
| 16:06:13 | yupkies | use 77% |
| 16:06:15 | nikos | yupkies: tmpfs is OK too? |
| 16:06:26 | yupkies | tmpfs 10% use |
| 16:06:38 | nikos | OK. I just installed it no problem. |
| 16:06:58 | nikos | yupkies: Try, 'ipkg remove xkbd' then 'ipkg update' ; then 'ipkg install xkbd' |
| 16:07:22 | yupkies | i can't launch ipkg update |
| 16:07:41 | nikos | yupkies: ? |
| 16:07:45 | yupkies | because i don't know how to connect my ipaq to internet |
| 16:07:54 | nikos | yupkies: How are you installing xkbd then? |
| 16:08:13 | yupkies | I've copy each files needed to my ipaq |
| 16:08:33 | nikos | yupkies: That's probably a mistake. You really need to figure out how to get connectivity working. |
| 16:08:50 | nikos | yupkies: What are your connectivity options? Do you have any sort of wireless or ethernet card? |
| 16:09:22 | yupkies | Just serial connection |
| 16:09:37 | nikos | yupkies: Do you have a linux desktop or laptop? |
| 16:09:48 | yupkies | desktop |
| 16:09:54 | nikos | yupkies: What about usbnet? |
| 16:10:19 | yupkies | I don't know what is usbnet? |
| 16:10:25 | | usbnet is, like, at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 |
| 16:10:25 | nikos | ibot: usbnet |
| 16:11:34 | nikos | yupkies: It's much speedier if you can use it. |
| 16:11:51 | yupkies | ok i have not USB craddle |
| 16:12:02 | nikos | yupkies: Oh, serial only? |
| 16:12:14 | nikos | yupkies: OK, what problems are you having with ppp? |
| 16:12:17 | | i guess ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 16:12:17 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 16:12:24 | yupkies | ppp works |
| 16:12:42 | yupkies | i can use a ssh session |
| 16:12:44 | nikos | yupkies: So there's your internet connectivity right? |
| 16:13:09 | yupkies | i've a connectivity to the host |
| 16:13:16 | yupkies | but not to internet |
| 16:13:44 | nikos | But does the host have internet? |
| 16:14:03 | yupkies | The host have internet by a LAN network |
| 16:14:44 | nikos | yupkies: So you just need to setup forwarding then. |
| 16:15:24 | yupkies | I've enable ip_forwarding |
| 16:16:12 | nikos | yupkies: Can you ping an internet ip address from the ipaq? How about the gateway your host uses? |
| 16:17:21 | yupkies | I can't ping any internet Ip or lan adresse (exept host) |
| 16:17:39 | yupkies | My gateway ip is 192.44.75.0 |
| 16:19:09 | nikos | yupkies: Does your /etc/ppp/options file on the ipaq have a line that says 'local'? |
| 16:19:22 | yupkies | yes |
| 16:20:09 | nikos | yupkies: Well, I'm not sure where to go next sorry. I don't use PPP. |
| 16:20:24 | yupkies | Ok, doesn't matter |
| 16:20:32 | yupkies | Thanks for your help |
| 16:20:45 | nikos | Sure. |
| 16:21:01 | nikos | yupkies: In the meantime, scheck the md5sum of your xkbd ipkg file. |
| 16:21:17 | yupkies | I have done this |
| 16:21:34 | yupkies | I don't understand |
| 16:21:49 | nikos | You are using xkbd_0.7.2_arm.ipk ? |
| 16:22:14 | yupkies | no, mine is xkbd_0.3-1_arm.ipk |
| 16:22:23 | nikos | That's VERY old. |
| 16:22:42 | nikos | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/xkbd_0.7.2_arm.ipk |
| 16:23:03 | yupkies | that's the only one for release v0.51 |
| 16:23:24 | nikos | yupkies: That's not how it works. |
| 16:23:44 | nikos | yupkies: Familiar releases are snapshots of the feeds that are set in stone and NEVER change from the moment of release. |
| 16:24:05 | nikos | yupkies: You would get updates from one of the feeds, such as unstable which would contain updated packages. |
| 16:24:21 | yupkies | ok i trying this one |
| 16:24:51 | yupkies | That's the last package that i have to install for task-complete |
| 16:30:14 | yupkies | Unpacking xkbd...Done. |
| 16:30:14 | yupkies | Configuring xkbd.../usr/bin/ipkg: //usr/lib/ipkg/info/xkbd.postinst: not found |
| 16:30:30 | yupkies | I'va the same problem with v0.7.2 |
| 16:30:55 | nikos | yupkies: Do you have bash installed? |
| 16:31:12 | yupkies | i think |
| 16:31:32 | nikos | yupkies: bash -x /usr/lib/ipkg/info/xkbd.postinst |
| 16:31:57 | yupkies | bash not found |
| 16:32:54 | nikos | yupkies: Then you don't have it installed. ;) Can you install it? |
| 16:33:13 | nikos | yupkies: It's kind of big, but if you can fit it for now, then you can remove it later if you want. |
| 16:33:50 | yupkies | i can take this one? bash_2.03-6-fam4_arm.ipk |
| 16:34:09 | nikos | Yeah, that's fine. |
| 16:37:23 | yupkies | Bash installed |
| 16:38:52 | yupkies | I think it's good |
| 16:41:18 | yupkies | Thanks nikos |
| 16:41:25 | yupkies | That's work |
| 16:41:34 | nikos | yupkies: That's not good. |
| 16:41:43 | nikos | yupkies: What the first line of the xkbd.postinst file? |
| 16:44:03 | yupkies | i don't know |
| 16:44:19 | yupkies | this file doesn't exist more longer |
| 16:44:41 | nikos | yupkies: Do I understand you to mean that you were able to install the package after installing bash? |
| 16:46:20 | yupkies | yes |
| 16:46:35 | yupkies | i have installed xkdb |
| 16:46:40 | nikos | yupkies: That means bash is being used somewhere it shouldn't be. I'll track it down, thanks. |
| 16:47:47 | yupkies | ok |
| 16:48:06 | yupkies | one more question |
| 16:48:22 | yupkies | How I can make free space on my ipaq? |
| 16:48:47 | nikos | yupkies: ? Remove packages or delete files, basically. |
| 16:49:45 | yupkies | ok, that's what i thinked about |
| 16:50:38 | yupkies | A last question. Do you now a good GPL Java Virtual Machine for Familiar? |
| 16:51:09 | nikos | yupkies: No sorry. |
| 16:51:22 | Jacmet | is there such a thing? doesn't the license behind java prohibt such a thing? |
| 16:51:30 | Jacmet | doesn't know much about java |
| 16:51:30 | yupkies | ok, thousand of thanks nikos |
| 16:51:52 | yupkies | And have a nice day |
| 16:52:38 | yupkies | bye |
| 17:54:10 | nikos | dc_: Hi, could you update http://ipaq.geekserve.org/Packages ? |
| 17:54:45 | dc_ | nikos: if it pleases thy. |
| 17:54:59 | nikos | dc_: Indeed it would, much thanks. |
| 17:55:15 | dc_ | nikos: hehe, n/p. 2 secs. |
| 17:57:59 | dc_ | nikos: done |
| 17:58:18 | nikos | dc_: Excellent, now I'll try storm. ;) |
| 18:02:11 | nikos | dc_: You're going to have a hell of a long Dependencies: entry one of these days. ;) |
| 18:04:09 | nikos | sh-2.03# storm |
| 18:04:09 | nikos | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 18:04:09 | nikos | File "/usr/lib/storm/storm.py", line 343, in ? |
| 18:04:09 | nikos | storm = Storm() |
| 18:04:09 | nikos | File "/usr/lib/storm/storm.py", line 55, in __init__ |
| 18:04:10 | nikos | self.get_config() |
| 18:04:12 | nikos | File "/usr/lib/storm/storm.py", line 280, in get_config |
| 18:04:14 | nikos | xml_data_configs = xml.parse_xml_file(self.config["path"]["config"] + "data", 'config') |
| 18:04:16 | nikos | File "/usr/lib/storm/modules/xmlparse.py", line 43, in parse_xml_file |
| 18:04:18 | nikos | file = open(self.xml_file, 'r') |
| 18:04:20 | nikos | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/root/.storm/config/data' |
| 18:04:22 | nikos | dc_: Should I just touch it? |
| 18:04:51 | nikos | sh-2.03# ls -lR ~/.storm |
| 18:04:51 | nikos | /root/.storm: |
| 18:04:51 | nikos | total 0 |
| 18:04:52 | nikos | drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Apr 4 21:23 config |
| 18:04:52 | nikos | drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 0 Apr 4 21:23 data |
| 18:04:52 | nikos | /root/.storm/config: |
| 18:04:54 | nikos | total 0 |
| 18:04:56 | nikos | /root/.storm/data: |
| 18:04:58 | nikos | total 0 |
| 18:11:46 | nikos | mallum: Hiya, just had someone with the http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=195 problem. |
| 18:12:43 | Cord | . o O ( bugzilla sucks ) |
| 18:13:13 | mallum | nikos: uh yeah, I fixed that one, not uploaded yet |
| 18:13:40 | mallum | nikos: will hopefully upload a new xkbd ( with some other fixes too, tommorow ) |
| 18:13:43 | nikos | mallum: :) Sounds sufficient to warrant a .3 to me. |
| 18:13:51 | mallum | nikos: yeah |
| 18:13:59 | mallum | nikos: .2 aint stripped properly niether |
| 18:14:07 | mallum | nikos: its like 400k :( |
| 18:14:11 | nikos | ah, explains thet size. |
| 18:14:16 | mallum | nikos: when it should be a 10th of that |
| 18:14:28 | nikos | I just thought you'd gone to town in developing features. ;) |
| 18:14:40 | mallum | not 300k's worth |
| 18:14:44 | cmarqu | mallum: Saw a cool thing in a comouter mag. A virtual keyboard, in landscape, with huge keys for thumb typing. |
| 18:14:59 | dc_ | mallum: is it possibly to edit monolaunch so it _just_ launches the command? |
| 18:15:02 | mallum | cmarqu: you could do that with xkbd |
| 18:15:10 | mallum | dc_: ? |
| 18:15:12 | cmarqu | mallum: Yeah, I thought about it. |
| 18:15:13 | dc_ | hey mallum :) |
| 18:15:45 | mallum | dc_: with no xpm ? |
| 18:16:04 | dc_ | mallum: well, programs like Dillo where the window title chngaes alot, monolauch crashes, but if you just made it launch the command, like a launcher does in gnome, it'd work cool :) |
| 18:16:07 | dc_ | mallum: with xml. |
| 18:16:09 | dc_ | xpm |
| 18:16:30 | mallum | dc_: new monolaunch dont need the window name no more |
| 18:17:08 | cmarqu | dc_ seems to dream about xml :) |
| 18:17:13 | dc_ | mallum: yep. but still, you crashes. |
| 18:17:19 | dc_ | is ashamed. |
| 18:17:20 | Kero | hey nikos, mallum |
| 18:17:29 | mallum | word up kero ;) |
| 18:17:30 | dc_ | cmarqu: they're nightmares :{ |
| 18:17:33 | Kero | (odd, this channel more talkative than #handhelds.org :) |
| 18:17:34 | nikos | Kero: Hiya, had a request for ruby-gtk earlier. |
| 18:17:45 | dc_ | Kero: times change :] |
| 18:17:46 | mallum | dc_: checkout jabber that uses xml in a fun way ... |
| 18:18:00 | dc_ | mallum: yeah. I love watching the output. |
| 18:18:01 | nikos | Kero: S/N too high on #hh for me. |
| 18:18:01 | Kero | nikos: so you passed it to me? Stephane d'Alu? |
| 18:18:09 | nikos | Kero: They said they would email. |
| 18:18:11 | Kero | hello dc |
| 18:18:15 | dc_ | mallum: it's in my nightmares all the time. |
| 18:18:15 | cmarqu | cmarqu@jabber.org |
| 18:18:24 | nikos | Kero: Name sounds right. |
| 18:18:27 | dc_ | hey kero :} |
| 18:18:54 | Kero | will make a short attempt, if it does not work, too bad. Need to prepare for a trip to US. |
| 18:18:55 | nikos | err s/too high/too low/ |
| 18:19:18 | mallum | dc_, cmarqu: I tech reviewed the orielly jabber book, my name and code is in there |
| 18:19:21 | nikos | Kero: Yes, sdalu might just be happy with a little info about how you built ruby packages, where you got source, etc. |
| 18:19:34 | dc_ | mallum: cool :) |
| 18:19:35 | nikos | <sdalu> Hi, is there an easy way to build the familiar distribution from the sources? And where are the source for all the ipkg? |
| 18:19:42 | nikos | <sdalu> i need the ruby-gtk module |
| 18:19:53 | nikos | dc_: Did you see my error report above? |
| 18:19:56 | cmarqu | mallum: Coolio. We have a storm channel on jabber.org, but not really used since we have #storm here. |
| 18:20:41 | dc_ | nikos: ah see it, sorry. hum, if you have no previous data, just rm -rf ~/.storm |
| 18:20:46 | dc_ | nikos: it's fixed now, thanks. |
| 18:20:49 | dc_ | nikos: in cvs :] |
| 18:20:55 | nikos | dc_: Ah, ok, yes no data. |
| 18:21:06 | dc_ | nikos: cool, then try |
| 18:21:25 | nikos | dc_: I can kill MailDir too? |
| 18:21:31 | mallum | I just uploaded xmonobut-01.ipk to my downloadables directory |
| 18:21:37 | dc_ | nikos: if it gives an error :) |
| 18:21:45 | dc_ | mallum: ? |
| 18:21:59 | dc_ | mallum: what's what? |
| 18:22:07 | mallum | I cant stick it in unstable cos my gnupg key is on another machine |
| 18:22:10 | nikos | dc_: It started. rock. ;) |
| 18:22:28 | mallum | dc_: like xrmouse only better ( hopefully ) :) |
| 18:22:44 | Kero | nikos: I can give him my scripts. Should be enough, but it still needs care to X compile... |
| 18:23:12 | Kero | but first, food. |
| 18:23:15 | nikos | Kero: Well, it's a start. |
| 18:26:38 | dc_ | bbl |
| 18:27:10 | nikos | dc_: I have a LARGE IMAP repository, if I connect to it with storm am I going to have space problems? |
| 18:33:39 | mallum | hi BBrox |
| 18:34:48 | BBrox | 'lo mallum |
| 18:37:14 | dc_ | mallum: oh cool |
| 18:37:29 | dc_ | mallum: what me to put it in unstable? |
| 18:37:39 | mallum | dc_: if thats ok |
| 18:37:43 | dc_ | n/p |
| 18:37:51 | mallum | dc_: muchious gracious |
| 18:38:00 | dc_ | nikos: if you set animail to download only a number of messages. |
| 18:38:16 | dc_ | nikos: but it's a hack getting animail working right noew |
| 18:38:23 | nikos | dc_: animail doesn't seem to be working for me. |
| 18:38:49 | dc_ | nikos: mmaby tomorrow this time after I finish some other Storm code tonight I'll make an animail ipkg for the new python |
| 18:39:09 | nikos | dc_: OK. |
| 18:39:12 | dc_ | nikos: look at the mailing list at sf.net/projects/storm-pim |
| 18:39:21 | dc_ | nikos: but it';d be smarter to wait :) |
| 18:39:34 | nikos | dc_: Yeah, I've got other things to do, I'll just be patient. Thanks. |
| 18:43:49 | dc_ | mallum: I 'don't' know about the cursors ;/ but the toolbar xpm is much nicer :) |
| 18:44:42 | | upload is http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/familiar/2001-December/003953.html or at http://www.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/upload-package.cgi or documented at http://www.handhelds.org/contributing.html |
| 18:44:42 | dc_ | ibot upload |
| 18:45:58 | dc_ | mallum: in :] |
| 18:46:13 | dc_ | mallum: just have to wait for Packages update, 10 min |
| 18:47:10 | nikos | done. |
| 18:50:18 | nikos | err not |
| 18:51:17 | aixdude | what is the approx. range of a lucent wireless (anyone)? |
| 18:51:37 | Cord | fsck. |
| 18:51:47 | nikos | aixdude: Highly variable, maybe 500 feet in open air. |
| 18:51:55 | aixdude | tx |
| 18:52:02 | nikos | aixdude: Without other antennas of course. |
| 18:52:38 | Cord | kernel-upgrade and the thing is dead. |
| 18:53:04 | Cord | Kernel panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 18:54:18 | Cord | Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at virtual address 00000000 |
| 18:56:59 | nikos | Well, I just learned that a middle mouse click on xstroke exits it. |
| 18:57:11 | dc_ | nikos: hehe |
| 18:57:31 | dc_ | hey'a a7r |
| 18:57:40 | a7r | hey dc_ |
| 18:58:31 | nikos | mallum: Yeah, I'm not too sure about those mouse cursors either. ;) |
| 18:59:40 | dctanner_ | arg |
| 19:05:28 | Cord | 2.4.18-rmk3_hh3 doesn'T work on my ipaq. 2.4.16-rmk1_hh15 does. |
| 19:06:50 | nikos | Cord: What model, it's fine on my 3650. |
| 19:06:59 | nikos | Cord: Also, what bootloader are you running? |
| 19:07:17 | Cord | its a 36xx |
| 19:07:40 | Cord | nikos: uh... didn'T upgrade taht for a while... can i find out while the ipaq runs? |
| 19:08:00 | nikos | Cord: Hmm, possibly, but I can't think how. |
| 19:08:12 | Cord | :-) |
| 19:08:52 | Cord | 2.16.19 |
| 19:11:02 | nikos | Cord: Did you reboot to figure it out? |
| 19:11:51 | Cord | yup. |
| 19:12:21 | nikos | ah hell, I'll do the same. |
| 19:12:39 | Cord | *argghhhh* that fscking Bugzilla killed my browser. |
| 19:13:15 | nikos | *sigh* I looked away at the wrong time. |
| 19:13:33 | Cord | :-) |
| 19:14:52 | Cord | i can'T beleive it. again. :-( |
| 19:15:18 | Cord | i'm on the bugzilla-query-page... mark kernel in Program and it stops. |
| 19:16:36 | nikos | Cord: 2.18.37 here. |
| 19:17:02 | Cord | hmmm... are ther release-notes for bootloader somewhere? |
| 19:17:39 | nikos | http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bootldr/CHANGELOG?rev=1.83&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 19:20:15 | Cord | thnx. |
| 19:28:12 | dc___ | a7r: oh, you wanted feedback :/ |
| 19:28:52 | dc___ | a7r: it seems python-oi or whatever has socket.py doesn't depend on libssl 0.9.6 |
| 19:28:59 | dc___ | python-io |
| 19:39:01 | Cord | dc___: yup. |
| 22:26:40 | luiscastro | Where can I get python-time compiled against libc-2.2.3? (or else, are there packages for libc-2.2.4 available?) |
| 22:26:57 | a7r | they're not available yet,. |
| 22:27:07 | a7r | luiscastro: log a bug in bugzilla against python-time.. |
| 22:27:21 | luiscastro | and python-email, it seems, too. |
| 22:47:02 | luiscastro | Ok, bug logged for both python-email and python-time |
| 23:29:47 | villager | grbl, sshd in unstable needs libc6 2.2.4, which isn't available? hm... |
| 23:30:49 | luiscastro | Actually, there are a lot of packages in that state (lots of python-*) |
| 23:33:28 | villager | maybe, but it's kinda hard to do anything else on the ipaq if I can't log in to it |
| 23:34:17 | luiscastro | villager: downgrade to ssh_2.5.2p2-2-fam4 from stable. |
| 23:34:37 | luiscastro | villager: you'll just have to link /usr/lib/libcrypto-0.9.6 to libcrypto-0.9.5, if you've upgraded it |
| 23:35:29 | villager | just a symlink? ok |
| 23:36:08 | luiscastro | villager: yep, it's working for me |
| 23:38:03 | villager | seems to work, thanks |
| 23:38:10 | luiscastro | villager: sure thing |
| 23:45:22 | rhuk | ne1 alive.. got some familar questions.. considering installing it |
| 23:45:25 | rhuk | ??? |