| 04:19:10 | madnessx | hello |
| 04:19:31 | madnessx | I've a few, I believe fairly simple questions.... |
| 04:20:07 | a7r | madnessx: cool, did you check the website before hand? |
| 04:21:07 | madnessx | yes |
| 04:21:10 | madnessx | anyhow |
| 04:21:27 | madnessx | -- first, I rebooted my ipaq with reboot command, and all the packages seemed to be retained.... |
| 04:21:45 | a7r | yup. |
| 04:22:02 | madnessx | does this mirror the hard reset? |
| 04:22:27 | a7r | madnessx: no.. but your packages don't go away even with a hard reset. |
| 04:22:56 | madnessx | so they are only installed into the flash ram? |
| 04:23:14 | a7r | you can choose where they are installed, but by default they are stored in flash. |
| 04:23:31 | madnessx | sweet, |
| 04:23:47 | Disconnect | a7r: does the targetted install work w/ most packages? I thought only a few could deal with it |
| 04:24:02 | a7r | Disconnect: some can, some can't.. they all can cope after a little symlink magic. |
| 04:24:09 | Disconnect | heh |
| 04:26:28 | madnessx | does opie cope? I've just installed/configured it and am freaking excstatic |
| 04:28:50 | madnessx | or is that not a question for you guys? |
| 04:29:31 | a7r | was busy eating horned melon.. |
| 04:29:43 | a7r | madnessx: I've heard that works.. but I don't use those packages. |
| 04:31:02 | madnessx | they are free? correct... and they seem very functional? what else exists that is as advanced? |
| 04:31:39 | a7r | madnessx: if you ask me, Qtopia/OPIE isn't that advanced, but it's the most Palm/WinCE-a-like that exists so far. |
| 04:32:12 | madnessx | what do you use? |
| 04:32:59 | a7r | madnessx: I'm writing all my own software for that.. called Salamander, not anywhere near useful yet. |
| 04:34:09 | madnessx | do you have a web site up describing your work? |
| 04:34:59 | a7r | madnessx: there's not much more than what's up on http://familiar.handhelds.org .. there's also source in handhelds.org CVS |
| 04:36:04 | madnessx | alright, I'll look around, thank you for the answering my questions |
| 08:54:44 | Groucho | Hi there. |
| 08:55:53 | Groucho | Anyone else noticed problems with the new ssh after ipkg upgrade ? |
| 08:55:59 | Groucho | The start script is missing... |
| 14:22:29 | nikos | Is there a better name for the 'red halo menu' than 'the red halo menu'? |
| 14:24:03 | sachac | laughs. We have a red halo menu? Where? |
| 14:24:18 | nikos | asdlkfjasd |
| 14:24:27 | nikos | realizes he's in the wrong channel! ;) |
| 14:24:32 | nikos | Sorry about that... |
| 15:11:44 | mallum | nikos: what channel were you in ???? |
| 15:12:35 | a7r | hey.. |
| 15:14:55 | nikos | mallum: Should have posted that in #squeak |
| 15:14:56 | nikos | a7r: Hiya |
| 15:17:25 | mallum | I've nearly got a gtk-menu replacement |
| 15:18:50 | Disconnect | cool |
| 15:21:02 | mallum | it'll at the very least survive rotations |
| 15:21:48 | Disconnect | even cooler. |
| 15:22:20 | Disconnect | spiralman was bugging me about a gui configurator for ipaqstat, so maybe the new menusystem could have one too.. tie it into sysset or whatever.. |
| 15:22:26 | Disconnect | font choice, menu reorganization, etc.. |
| 15:24:42 | mallum | Just use Xresources |
| 15:29:18 | mallum | I thought spiralman used opie ? |
| 15:32:19 | Disconnect | no idea |
| 15:33:04 | Disconnect | but a gui configurator wouldn't be a bad idea. not sure its worth the effort on ipaqstat (no config file support atm) but for those things that can already use configs, it'd be a good thought. ponder opie/qpe/qnx/etc .. how often do you edit files? never? |
| 15:45:51 | mallum | Disconnect: I think what we need is some sort of 'metatheme' app |
| 15:46:06 | mallum | Disconnect: Im working on a mechanism for gui control of dock apps |
| 15:46:31 | mallum | Disconnect: so I hope ipaqstat has left XSession.d .....? |
| 15:55:28 | dc_ | mallum: you're doing a gui ;0? |
| 16:03:47 | mallum | dc_: I said I was working on the mechanism :) |
| 16:03:52 | mallum | dc_: for the gui .... |
| 16:07:29 | dc_ | mallum: indeed :S |
| 16:07:31 | dc_ | :D |
| 16:08:43 | dc_ | mallum: oh, a matchbox bug I found :) |
| 16:08:59 | dc_ | mallum: if you havn't already got enough. |
| 16:09:38 | dc_ | mallum: when you shrink the top titlebar, then there's a popup window, the popup window titlebar is messed. |
| 16:11:06 | nikos | dc_: How are you "shrinking" the titlebar? With a theme? |
| 16:11:23 | dc_ | nikos: doubly click on the title bar :) |
| 16:11:28 | dc_ | double |
| 16:11:39 | dc_ | nikos: it's a cvs build. |
| 16:11:43 | nikos | dc_: AH |
| 16:11:48 | dc_ | mallum: 0.2pre3 I think |
| 16:11:54 | nikos | dc_: That explains why it don't work for me. :P |
| 16:12:07 | dc_ | nikos: hehe |
| 16:12:44 | nikos | Ada for familiar? Next they will want Cobol.... |
| 16:12:59 | dc_ | hehe |
| 16:19:21 | mallum | dc_: what happens to to dialog title bar ? |
| 16:20:56 | dc_ | mallum: it's the height of the shrunk one, but the image and text are the same as a normal one. |
| 16:20:59 | dc_ | mallum: |
| 16:21:31 | dc_ | mallum: basicly it displays a shrunk one but with the text |
| 16:21:33 | dc_ | .05 |
| 16:21:35 | dc_ | bah |
| 16:21:59 | mallum | dc_: ahh inheritance sucks |
| 16:22:11 | mallum | dc_: new menu in progrtess -> http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/menu.png |
| 16:22:21 | mallum | dc_: its a big shot btw ( from laptop ) |
| 16:24:21 | dc_ | mallum: if the main titblebar is shrunk, the dialog shouldb always be normal |
| 16:24:30 | mallum | dc_: yep |
| 16:24:41 | mallum | dc_: I'll fix it , should only take a sec |
| 16:24:56 | nikos | mallum: Looks good. |
| 16:25:09 | Disconnect | mallum: do the app as well as the mechanism and I'll remove it from Xsession.d |
| 16:25:28 | Disconnect | but atm it solves the problem of "where are the dockapps I installed" without having to teach people to use vi through xstroke+rxvt... |
| 16:25:46 | Disconnect | goes back to being afk |
| 16:26:18 | mallum | Disconnect: its not an option, ipaqstat does _not_ belong in Xsession.d ! |
| 16:26:51 | nikos | mallum: How (currently) should a dock item be started then? From the menu? |
| 16:28:34 | mallum | nikos: menu, or ~/.xsession |
| 16:28:44 | mallum | nikos: or command line |
| 16:29:01 | mallum | nikos: or at the very least ipaqstat should present an option on install |
| 16:29:57 | nikos | mallum: As an interim solution, maybe we should have a menu section called "dockapps". |
| 16:30:33 | mallum | nikos: yep, sounds good |
| 16:31:10 | mallum | nikos: a mechanism wouldn't take long to write |
| 16:31:26 | nikos | mallum: What would be a more appropriate dockapp starting mechanism? |
| 16:31:50 | nikos | mallum: That's the solution that gnome uses already, the mechanism then is only used to modify and remove dockaps. |
| 16:32:03 | mallum | nikos: all dockapp ipkgs need to is register a file 'somewhere' that says there dockable |
| 16:32:36 | mallum | nikos: we then have an app that allows you so select what you want started at startup |
| 16:32:45 | nikos | mallum: Seems unnecessary to me, the mechanism could feed from the menu subsection just as well as the menu app, as long as it is standardized. |
| 16:32:49 | mallum | nikos: a file in xsession.d reads this and executes |
| 16:33:03 | nikos | mallum: The record of what to start by default does seem useful. |
| 16:33:12 | mallum | nikos: then when you restart X they'll all be gone |
| 16:33:35 | mallum | nikos: the menu system is bloated and bust enough as it is |
| 16:33:39 | nikos | mallum: Right, I agree, keep a list of "start on X start" dockapps, but then just use the start mechanism already provided by the menu. |
| 16:35:03 | mallum | nikos: there may be anothre way to do it with some of the xsession stuff ( and not even need anything in Xsession.d ) |
| 16:35:37 | mallum | nikos: but I doubt this as why would gnome have implementede there 'own' session management |
| 16:36:16 | mallum | nikos: as far as Im concerned the menu should be the only app in Xsession.d |
| 16:36:36 | nikos | mallum: With the exception of your own session addon, no? |
| 16:36:49 | mallum | nikos: of course :) |
| 16:37:13 | mallum | nikos: the whole xsession.d stuff needs looking at |
| 16:37:48 | nikos | mallum: I'm just against biting off too big a chunk at a time. Don't replace everything all at once. |
| 16:37:54 | mallum | nikos: we also need some fallbacks, if the wm crashes and you have no external terminal access you basically have to reboot your ipaq |
| 16:38:25 | nikos | mallum: I think X already provides mechanisms for that, my X restarts just fine after most crashes. |
| 16:38:31 | nikos | On my desktop I mean. |
| 16:38:46 | mallum | nikos: without any input from you ? |
| 16:38:55 | nikos | mallum: Yes, I'm right back to GDM login prompt. |
| 16:39:08 | mallum | nikos: exactly thats what we need |
| 16:39:25 | mallum | nikos: thank you, you've solved it for me ! |
| 16:39:48 | mallum | nikos: all I have to do now is finish writing my screen locker |
| 16:40:09 | nikos | mallum: I think that mechanism is simply provided by the /etc/init.d/ entry. |
| 16:40:32 | mallum | nikos: yes which is basically xsession.d |
| 16:42:55 | mallum | nikos: though are you talking about a full X crash or just the windowmanager ? |
| 16:46:24 | nikos | mallum: That's a good question.... |
| 16:46:56 | nikos | mallum: I can't think of any crashes that I haven't gotten back to the GDM prompt, I can't be sure exactly what crashed though. |
| 16:47:55 | nikos | mallum: But Xession really should start the wm as the last process, so then X exits when that process exits, or provide the loop itself. |
| 16:50:38 | mallum | nikos: on your desktop ( debian anyway ) the last process lauched is the wm |
| 16:50:49 | mallum | nikos: on the ipaq its started early on and backgrounded |
| 16:51:13 | nikos | mallum: Right, that seems incorrect to me. |
| 16:51:25 | mallum | nikos: yeah exactly, thats why it all need looking at |
| 16:51:52 | nikos | mallum: It's just an artifact of "get it to work" being the priority for the most part in the past. |
| 16:52:00 | mallum | nikos: yeah exactly |
| 16:52:26 | mallum | nikos: moving it from a shell script to an rc style startup was my start |
| 16:52:55 | nikos | mallum: Right, very good. We just have to take it in steps. |
| 16:53:05 | mallum | nikos: yeah |
| 16:53:31 | mallum | nikos: its just jg is around much ( owner of package ) , he seems to have dissapeared off the radar |
| 16:53:43 | mallum | nikos: the X on the ipaq is getting pretty old now ... |
| 16:54:08 | mallum | nikos: and I know kiethp is rewriting xft |
| 16:54:17 | nikos | mallum: Hmm. Medical issues again? |
| 16:54:31 | mallum | nikos: not sure, I think he could just be busy with other stuff |
| 16:54:33 | nikos | mallum: I've not been around much either, so I haven't followed things much recently. |
| 16:55:02 | mallum | nikos: I know he was doing some stuff for guadec ( xft2 related I think ) |
| 16:55:11 | nikos | mallum: I don't think he would mind patches, so I would just go ahead. Try to send it to him in little pieces, like with Linus. |
| 16:55:28 | mallum | nikos: Oh yeah, I met jg at linux expo |
| 16:55:47 | nikos | mallum: I saw at a ALS> |
| 16:55:51 | mallum | nikos: in person ( obviously ) he was a nice guy, I also met edwardam |
| 16:56:00 | mallum | nikos: you went to als ? |
| 16:56:03 | nikos | mallum: Cool, I've not met Edward yet. |
| 16:56:06 | nikos | mallum: Yeah |
| 16:56:22 | mallum | nikos: any good ? |
| 16:56:39 | nikos | mallum: ALS? It was kind of a flop, bad timing with the economic downturn. |
| 16:56:59 | nikos | mallum: Less than half of previous years turn out I think. |
| 17:08:34 | mallum | nikos: :( |
| 17:08:48 | mallum | dc_: I fixed that mb bug |
| 17:09:08 | mallum | dc_: wont upload till I fix one other, hopefully that'll be a final .... |
| 18:08:04 | dc_ | mallum: great :D |
| 18:09:03 | dc_ | mallum: I gotta make my simple menu, called fLaunch |
| 18:09:27 | dc_ | mallum: he idea is have only a few apps in it. |
| 18:09:34 | dc_ | mallum: and only 1 of each type. |
| 18:10:06 | dc_ | mallum: and put their title as the apps function name, like Web Browser and Text Editor |
| 18:10:13 | dc_ | mallum: with icons :] |
| 19:10:11 | VerxWork | is there anyone alive in here? |
| 19:10:20 | VerxWork | I am having some trouble with automounting |
| 19:11:36 | VerxWork | no one alive eh? |
| 19:11:36 | VerxWork | :( |
| 19:12:29 | lale | me |
| 19:12:32 | lale | VerxWork: |
| 19:13:14 | VerxWork | you know anything about cf automount? |
| 19:13:24 | VerxWork | familiar keeps trying to mount as ext2 |
| 19:13:29 | VerxWork | I have a vfat cf card |
| 19:14:55 | nikos | VerxWork: I assume you can mount it manually, correct? |
| 19:15:00 | lale | VerxWork: sorry :( |
| 19:16:13 | VerxWork | nikos, yes, I can do this: |
| 19:16:19 | VerxWork | mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda |
| 19:16:21 | VerxWork | that works perfect |
| 19:16:52 | VerxWork | I can't figure out why it is trying ext2 |
| 19:17:01 | VerxWork | nothing in ide.opts or ide has ext2 in it |
| 19:17:30 | nikos | VerxWork: Probably because it is defaulting to ext2. |
| 19:17:38 | VerxWork | but from where |
| 19:17:40 | VerxWork | that is the thing |
| 19:17:44 | VerxWork | I need to change the default |
| 19:17:49 | VerxWork | but I don't know where to go |
| 19:18:05 | nikos | VerxWork: From internal to mount or kernel logic. You are going to have to specify something that is NOT currently specified. |
| 19:18:23 | VerxWork | I am fine with that |
| 19:18:29 | VerxWork | but where do I go to specify it? |
| 19:19:32 | nikos | VerxWork: First, use cardctl to get full ID for your card. |
| 19:19:47 | nikos | VerxWork: Then create a new entry in /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts for your specific card. |
| 19:20:00 | nikos | VerxWork: I'm trying to find specific option for fs right now |
| 19:20:14 | VerxWork | thanks a ton nikos |
| 19:20:18 | VerxWork | I am unfamiliar with this |
| 19:20:55 | nikos | VerxWork: Fill in the FSTYPE field in your custom entry. |
| 19:21:01 | nikos | VerxWork: With vfat of course. |
| 19:21:26 | VerxWork | Socket 0: |
| 19:21:26 | VerxWork | product info: "TOSHIBA THNCF256MAA ", "", "", "" |
| 19:21:26 | VerxWork | manfid: 0x0098, 0x0000 |
| 19:21:27 | VerxWork | function: 4 (fixed disk) |
| 19:21:31 | VerxWork | that is what I got back |
| 19:21:38 | VerxWork | is that what you mean by full ID? |
| 19:21:47 | VerxWork | it is "ident" |
| 19:22:00 | nikos | Hmm, just sec... should be more... |
| 19:23:41 | VerxWork | really appreciate you looking into this |
| 19:23:52 | VerxWork | I think I understand this a bit better now at least the theory behind it |
| 19:25:00 | nikos | Hmm, I thought you could get a serial number from each card, can't remember how right now.... Still looking. |
| 19:25:15 | nikos | That way you can have setups for each card, even from same manufacturer. |
| 19:26:23 | VerxWork | right |
| 19:26:24 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 19:26:35 | VerxWork | I know pcmcia.opts or some similar file can be setup with that ide |
| 19:26:38 | nikos | I did it once back around v0.4, damn just can't find it now. |
| 19:27:08 | nikos | VerxWork: Note the top of the ide.opts file |
| 19:27:17 | nikos | VerxWork: serial_no is one of the fields of the entyr. |
| 19:27:31 | nikos | VerxWork: What I can't remeber is how to discover the serial_no of a card. |
| 19:27:59 | dc_ | hey'a nikos :] |
| 19:28:10 | VerxWork | ok, I am looking it up on the web now |
| 19:28:32 | nikos | VerxWork: Yeah good idea. |
| 19:28:48 | nikos | VerxWork: I've never had a laptop, otherwise I would probably be more familiar with this. |
| 19:30:04 | VerxWork | hehe |
| 19:30:28 | VerxWork | Just the fact that I know better what to look at is helping |
| 19:31:15 | nikos | VerxWork: Use ide_info |
| 19:31:33 | nikos | VerxWork: ide_info /dev/hda |
| 19:31:46 | nikos | VerxWork: Doesn't work for me right now, my card won't work with my dual sleeve currently. |
| 19:32:28 | Disconnect | grr laptop blew up again.. |
| 19:32:32 | Disconnect | mallum: back now, for a few. you fix xstroke and gtk-menu and then I'll listen. (then provide that standard mechanism, and I'll follow it..) |
| 19:32:42 | VerxWork | AHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:32:47 | VerxWork | that gave me a serial number |
| 19:32:48 | VerxWork | cool |
| 19:32:55 | VerxWork | now to figure out where to put it |
| 19:32:56 | VerxWork | :) |
| 19:33:04 | nikos | Disconnect: Why not start the ball yourself? Create a /usr/lib/menu entry with section "Dockapps", add ipaqstat, and you are done. |
| 19:33:30 | VerxWork | ide.opts wants an address |
| 19:33:30 | dc_ | nikos: mallum has already started it ;) |
| 19:33:32 | Disconnect | nikos: cuz the current method doesn't bother me at all. and it evidently drives him nuts. <shrug> |
| 19:33:33 | VerxWork | not a serial number |
| 19:33:49 | dc_ | Disconnect: it'll be cool in the end. |
| 19:33:51 | nikos | VerxWork: It takes ALL of those things. |
| 19:34:09 | Disconnect | nikos: and the at-install warning and/or prompt is less than useless since none of the gui installers (pygtk, opie, qpe, etc) even show the install info, much less prompt. |
| 19:34:13 | nikos | # The address format is "scheme,socket,serial_no[,part]". |
| 19:35:40 | nikos | Disconnect: But you are being a "dictator" by adding an entry in Xsession.d/, maybe the user doesn't want to start ipaqstat all the time. |
| 19:36:14 | dc_ | nikos, Disconnect: that's why mallum is making the new system and I'm making an applet/matchbox config tool ;p |
| 19:36:35 | Disconnect | nikos: again, talk to the trendsetters (xstroke, gtk-menu) or set a new trend. doesn't bother me any. and there are no standards documented anywhere, so its just so much chest-pounding. |
| 19:37:27 | dc_ | nikos, Disconnect: the new method is just for dockapps and the sort that matchbox uses. |
| 19:37:33 | dc_ | as far as mallum has told me... |
| 19:37:38 | dc_ | arg, brb. |
| 19:38:35 | Disconnect | the only matchbox-specific info here (and it may not just be matchbox, I haven't tested) is the auto-height sizing for the real dock size instead of the requested size. |
| 19:39:54 | VerxWork | |
| 19:39:57 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:40:02 | VerxWork | I think I have the serial number in there |
| 19:40:06 | VerxWork | but it doesn't seem to care |
| 19:40:08 | VerxWork | here is the entry: |
| 19:40:57 | VerxWork | *,*,STCB52M61009N75136A2) |
| 19:40:57 | VerxWork | DO_FSTAB="n" ; DO_FSCK="n" ; DO_MOUNT="y" |
| 19:40:57 | VerxWork | FSTYPE="vfat" |
| 19:40:57 | VerxWork | MOUNTPT="/mnt/hda" |
| 19:40:58 | VerxWork | ;; |
| 19:41:03 | VerxWork | that is the section I have |
| 19:41:59 | nikos | VerxWork: Might also want to specify the partition. |
| 19:42:11 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:43:02 | VerxWork | didn't help |
| 19:43:03 | VerxWork | :( |
| 19:45:03 | nikos | VerxWork: http://www.informatik.uni-siegen.de/softdocs/howto/PCMCIA-HOWTO-3.html |
| 19:45:11 | nikos | VerxWork: Did you restart cardmgr? |
| 19:45:44 | VerxWork | I did an /etc/init.d/pcmcia stop/start |
| 19:48:24 | nikos | VerxWork: That would seem sufficient. |
| 19:48:43 | nikos | VerxWork: Maybe add an echo in there to make sure it is matching the entry. |
| 19:52:04 | VerxWork | well crap |
| 19:52:06 | VerxWork | I found this |
| 19:52:18 | VerxWork | case "$ADDRESS" in |
| 19:52:18 | VerxWork | *,*,Z4J60542) |
| 19:52:18 | VerxWork | # This is my DOS stuff |
| 19:52:18 | VerxWork | PARTS="1" |
| 19:52:18 | VerxWork | ;; |
| 19:52:23 | VerxWork | that is from the URL you gave me |
| 19:52:29 | VerxWork | the way mine is formatted is this: |
| 19:52:47 | VerxWork | *,*,STCB52M61009N75136A2) |
| 19:52:47 | VerxWork | FSTYPE="vfat" |
| 19:52:47 | VerxWork | MOUNTPT="/mnt/hda" |
| 19:52:47 | VerxWork | PARTS="1" |
| 19:52:47 | VerxWork | ;; |
| 19:52:52 | VerxWork | sure looks like it should work |
| 19:53:16 | nikos | VerxWork: Keep in mind, you are editting the ide.opts file, not the ide file |
| 19:53:24 | nikos | VerxWork: That URL I sent you may be out of date |
| 19:53:30 | nikos | VerxWork: The case statement is elsewhere now. |
| 19:53:51 | nike | hello |
| 19:53:54 | nikos | Hi |
| 19:54:04 | nike | ahh this is awsome |
| 19:54:07 | VerxWork | ok |
| 19:54:11 | VerxWork | lemme look in the ide file |
| 19:54:30 | nikos | VerxWork: Is it doing nothing new, or is it erroring out? |
| 19:54:57 | VerxWork | what is $0 in a bash script? |
| 19:54:58 | nike | do this channel give support for lunix on the iPAQ? |
| 19:55:01 | VerxWork | nothing new is happening |
| 19:55:22 | cmarqu | Hi all. |
| 19:55:23 | nikos | nike: Yes, familiar specific support. |
| 19:55:28 | nikos | hullo cmarqu |
| 19:56:07 | nike | ok kewl. I am trying to get ppp up and running to finish the install of linux on my iPAQ 3800 |
| 19:57:15 | | rumour has it ppp is http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto |
| 19:57:15 | nikos | ibot: ppp |
| 19:57:22 | nikos | nike: Looked at all that? |
| 19:57:34 | nikos | nike: Is your host also Linux? |
| 19:58:00 | mallum | Disconnect: you about ? |
| 19:59:13 | VerxWork | I embedded the following directly inside of ide.opts after it sources $0.opts |
| 19:59:33 | nikos | You mean ide I assume? |
| 19:59:40 | VerxWork | case "$ADDRESS" in |
| 19:59:40 | VerxWork | *,*,STCB52M61009N75136A2) |
| 19:59:40 | VerxWork | FSTYPE="vfat" |
| 19:59:40 | VerxWork | MOUNTPT="/mnt/hda" |
| 19:59:40 | VerxWork | PARTS="1" |
| 19:59:40 | VerxWork | ;; |
| 19:59:42 | VerxWork | esac |
| 19:59:46 | VerxWork | er, ide yes |
| 19:59:47 | VerxWork | sorry |
| 19:59:50 | nikos | :) |
| 19:59:53 | VerxWork | I embedded it directly inside of ide |
| 19:59:55 | VerxWork | sorry about that |
| 20:00:33 | nikos | Stick a line at the beginning of that something like: echo 'I got to the STC entry...' |
| 20:00:50 | nikos | VerxWork: Are you on console? |
| 20:00:56 | VerxWork | I did that, and it outputted it |
| 20:00:59 | VerxWork | yes, I am at the console |
| 20:01:02 | VerxWork | it is running the code |
| 20:01:07 | VerxWork | I had it echo "-----" |
| 20:01:10 | VerxWork | here is what I got |
| 20:01:14 | nikos | VerxWork: How aboput if you put it in ide.opts? |
| 20:01:25 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: executing: './ide start hda' |
| 20:01:25 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + -------------- |
| 20:01:25 | VerxWork | /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0: p1 |
| 20:01:25 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open |
| 20:01:25 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + (null): |
| 20:01:25 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct |
| 20:01:27 | VerxWork | ext2 |
| 20:01:29 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + filesystem. If the device is valid and it really contains an ex |
| 20:01:31 | VerxWork | t2 |
| 20:01:33 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the sup |
| 20:01:35 | VerxWork | erblock |
| 20:01:37 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate s |
| 20:01:39 | VerxWork | uperblock: |
| 20:01:39 | nikos | ahah |
| 20:01:41 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + e2fsck -b 8193 <device> |
| 20:01:43 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: + |
| 20:01:44 | nikos | Wait. |
| 20:01:45 | VerxWork | cardmgr[791]: start cmd exited with status 1 |
| 20:01:47 | VerxWork | see the "-----------" ? |
| 20:01:49 | VerxWork | it got to my tidbit |
| 20:01:49 | mallum | dc_: This mechanism would be for all wm's that use a dock BTW |
| 20:01:51 | VerxWork | but it STILL wants to do ext2 |
| 20:01:54 | nikos | Problem looks like it's running fsck. |
| 20:02:06 | nikos | Be sure to specify no fsck. |
| 20:02:59 | nike | that URL wont come up for me |
| 20:03:13 | nikos | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/PPPHowto ? |
| 20:03:27 | VerxWork | *,*,STCB52M61009N75136A2) |
| 20:03:27 | VerxWork | DO_FSTAB="n" ; DO_FSCK="n" ; DO_MOUNT="y" |
| 20:03:27 | VerxWork | FSTYPE="vfat" |
| 20:03:27 | VerxWork | MOUNTPT="/mnt/hda" |
| 20:03:27 | VerxWork | PARTS="y" |
| 20:03:27 | VerxWork | echo "======" |
| 20:03:27 | nikos | nike: Works fine here. |
| 20:03:29 | VerxWork | ;; |
| 20:03:31 | VerxWork | that got it |
| 20:03:33 | VerxWork | it works now |
| 20:03:38 | VerxWork | I added the fstab no and fsck no |
| 20:03:52 | nikos | VerxWork: Is this in ide.opts now? |
| 20:04:21 | VerxWork | yeah, I put it in ide.opts |
| 20:04:23 | VerxWork | so get this |
| 20:04:28 | VerxWork | I get no errors now |
| 20:04:31 | VerxWork | but it doesn't mount either |
| 20:04:32 | VerxWork | :))) |
| 20:04:35 | nikos | k |
| 20:04:39 | nikos | Ummm |
| 20:04:40 | nikos | Hmmm. |
| 20:04:48 | nikos | Put another echo at the end of the case too. |
| 20:05:15 | nike | ok yes I have been ove all of everything that is in this web site and all around. I followed the Ins. for the win xp |
| 20:05:17 | VerxWork | perhaps I need it defined in fstab |
| 20:05:32 | nikos | VerxWork: And maybe edit ide to output the mount command it uses so you can make sure it's workign out right. |
| 20:05:39 | nikos | VerxWork: Shouldn't need to. |
| 20:06:29 | nikos | nike: So you are using Windows XP? |
| 20:06:48 | nikos | nike: That's about as much help as I can provide I'm afraid, I don't ever use PPP. |
| 20:06:55 | nike | and I can not figure out how to edit modules, resolv.conf, and put the necessary settings on xp to allow it to connect, forgive me I am kinda bad with editing file with hyperterminal |
| 20:07:23 | nikos | nike: What version of familiar do you have installed? |
| 20:07:29 | VerxWork | ide is using something called "add_parts" |
| 20:07:34 | VerxWork | and I think that is doing the mounting |
| 20:07:37 | nikos | nike: Are you familiar with vi? |
| 20:07:42 | VerxWork | but I don't know where add_parts is defined |
| 20:07:48 | nikos | VerxWork: See shared |
| 20:08:06 | nikos | VerxWork: or grep add_parts /etc/pcmcia/* ;) |
| 20:08:11 | satgio | hi |
| 20:08:15 | nikos | Hello |
| 20:09:18 | nike | ok thats kewl, so you dont support setting up a PPP connection with the familiar 0.51? |
| 20:09:52 | nike | I am using win xp and I have got a linux box that I am sitting here typing to you on |
| 20:09:57 | nikos | nike: Hmm? Who do you mean by 'you'? |
| 20:10:26 | nikos | nike: If you mean me by 'you', I can't help too much with PPP. Others might be able to provide more help. |
| 20:10:50 | nike | lol I was thinking that you were a support per for familiar sorry |
| 20:11:00 | nikos | nike: Searching the email archives with http://handhelds.org/cgi-bin/search.cgi might be a good start. |
| 20:11:13 | nikos | nike: Familiar is NOT a commercial product. |
| 20:11:22 | nike | ahh ok |
| 20:11:32 | nikos | nike: There's no official support. |
| 20:11:56 | nike | do you have linux installed and running on an ipaq? |
| 20:12:22 | nikos | nike: Yes |
| 20:12:37 | nike | what iPAQ are you using ? |
| 20:12:44 | nikos | nike: An old 3650. |
| 20:13:02 | nike | ahh what distro are you running ? |
| 20:13:10 | nikos | nike: Familiar v0.5.1 |
| 20:13:52 | nike | how did you install fimiliar ? |
| 20:14:19 | nikos | nike: I used to use usbnet, I use a wireless card now. |
| 20:14:22 | | usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 |
| 20:14:22 | nikos | ibot: usbnet |
| 20:14:30 | nikos | nike: I never used PPP. |
| 20:14:39 | nike | cause I have been going for the heavy weight Qt/opie |
| 20:15:30 | VerxWork | I am slowly narrowing this down |
| 20:15:39 | nike | ahhh I see, were you using a linux box or a windows pc to first set it up? |
| 20:16:41 | nikos | nike: Linux. |
| 20:17:02 | nikos | VerxWork: Step by step, you'll get there. |
| 20:17:35 | nike | ahh I see is settng up the USBNET pretty difficult? |
| 20:18:15 | nikos | nike: Not terribly. |
| 20:18:23 | nikos | nike: Seemed easier than USB to me. |
| 20:18:32 | nikos | errr s/USB/PPP/ |
| 20:19:05 | nike | hmm cause I was thinkin of maybe tring to go with a ppp conection through my linux box, the USB on this thing would be just to much |
| 20:20:14 | nikos | nike: Have any CF or PCMCIA network cards? |
| 20:20:38 | VerxWork | ok |
| 20:21:14 | VerxWork | what is happening is that in shared, by the time it gets to add_blkdev, it no longer has DO_MOUNT defined |
| 20:21:14 | satgio | anyone here has tried to backup the pocketpc 2002 ? |
| 20:21:43 | satgio | is "backup utility" the correct tool to create the backup image ? |
| 20:21:44 | nikos | VerxWork: Odd... |
| 20:21:58 | nike | lol nope |
| 20:22:01 | nikos | satgio: Are you talking about in prep for installing bootloader, etc.? |
| 20:22:14 | VerxWork | and what is more |
| 20:22:19 | VerxWork | it thinks the partition is y |
| 20:22:30 | nike | just the cradle, I know the network card would be easy |
| 20:22:31 | satgio | yes nikos i want to prepare a backup of the system in case i need to restore pocketpc |
| 20:22:39 | nikos | satgio: Are you using bootblaster? |
| 20:23:22 | satgio | hmm nikos i'm following the procedure in the handhelds.org |
| 20:23:29 | satgio | i don't know about bootblaster |
| 20:23:37 | nikos | satgio: What are you installing? |
| 20:23:39 | satgio | i've a 3835 |
| 20:23:45 | nikos | satgio: And what instructions are you using? |
| 20:23:54 | nikos | http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/install/H3600/install.html ? |
| 20:24:08 | satgio | i'll install bootldr |
| 20:24:19 | satgio | ah sorry bootblaster is the bootloader |
| 20:24:20 | satgio | ok |
| 20:24:21 | nikos | satgio: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/dists/compaq/ipaq/stable/install.html |
| 20:24:32 | nikos | satgio: Not exactly. |
| 20:24:47 | nikos | satgio: It does the installation and backs up your PocketPC |
| 20:24:55 | nikos | satgio: See steps 7-9 |
| 20:25:18 | nikos | nike: Do you have just a serial cradle? |
| 20:25:44 | VerxWork | ooooooooooooooooook |
| 20:25:49 | VerxWork | here is what seems to be happening |
| 20:26:18 | nike | is there a way to download the familiar v0.5.1 and install with out internet access? |
| 20:26:19 | VerxWork | somewhere it is RESETTING the value of DO_FSCK to "y" |
| 20:26:23 | satgio | nikos this is what i don't understand , it says from flash menu select save , but i cannot find the flash menu |
| 20:26:27 | VerxWork | even though I am setting it to "n" |
| 20:26:30 | satgio | i found only the backup utility |
| 20:26:40 | VerxWork | if I go into shared and change it to "n" just before it runs the code, it works |
| 20:26:53 | nikos | satgio: You are running ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/linux/compaq/ipaq/v0.30/BootBlaster_1.18.exe ? |
| 20:26:58 | nike | SATGIO did you look down at the bottem ? |
| 20:27:08 | nikos | nike: Thanks, I've never seen bootblaster. |
| 20:27:32 | satgio | ahhh |
| 20:27:33 | nike | yeah I just went through all that! np |
| 20:27:43 | satgio | sorry |
| 20:27:47 | nike | np |
| 20:27:52 | nikos | nike: Now you get it.... We have to help each other. ;) |
| 20:28:19 | nike | lol I do tech support I understand |
| 20:28:41 | nikos | nike: Now the only problem is finding someone who recently did PPP. ;) Try the email lists, or maybe ask in #handhelds.org. |
| 20:28:48 | VerxWork | bbiaf |
| 20:29:58 | nike | Nikos is there a way to download the familiar v0.5.1 and install with out internet access? |
| 20:30:15 | nikos | nike: You mean add ipkgs? |
| 20:30:40 | nikos | nike: Yes, but it's a real PITA and I dont' recommend it. Your time is WAY better spent working on your Internet connection problem. |
| 20:34:10 | nike | lol I actually just went through that ipkg process with Qtopie and I had to reinstall cause the screen was upside down |
| 20:34:37 | nike | and after I reinstalled it wouldn't boot |
| 20:35:51 | nike | so I had to reformat |
| 20:36:49 | nike | hello |
| 20:39:38 | nikos | nike: I'm a gtk biggot instead. Sorry. ;) |
| 20:40:44 | nike | I dont blaim ya |
| 20:40:54 | nike | it is a hec of a lot easer |
| 20:41:48 | nikos | nike: I don't know about that, depends on the person I guess. Many disagree. |
| 20:48:28 | nikers1 | here we go sorry got disconnected |
| 20:51:07 | nikers1 | see in the installation instructions just after you boot the iPAQ with familiar it talks about configuring a ppp connection |
| 20:51:27 | nikers1 | sorry its me \ NIKE |
| 20:52:19 | nikers1 | hello |
| 20:52:30 | nikos | Yes hi |
| 20:52:50 | nikers1 | sorry I thought I was disconnected again |
| 20:53:44 | nikos | nikers1: The problem is that so much is dependent on the host side, and there are so many variables there. No simple instruction can cover all the possible setups. |
| 20:54:16 | nikos | nikers1: The instructions there "should" work with most setups, but... |
| 20:54:54 | nikers1 | right I think that I could handle the host, were I am a little lost is with editing the files that they mention with the console(hyperterminal |
| 20:55:25 | nikos | nikers1: What's the problem? |
| 20:55:41 | nikos | nikers1: Did you catch my question to you earlier about 'vi'? |
| 20:56:45 | nikers1 | ahh yes sorry I did, and am not to good with VI |
| 20:57:02 | nikos | nikers1: Unfortunately, that's the editor you have on Familiar by default. ;) I don't like it either. |
| 20:57:16 | nikers1 | I am sure if I got the darn thing switched over to this linux box I would have less problems |
| 20:57:41 | nikers1 | oh really VI huh |
| 20:57:53 | nikers1 | its starting to come back to me now |
| 20:58:26 | nikers1 | you have to echo the commands into the command line and tell it which file to edit |
| 20:58:42 | nikos | vi /path/to/file? |
| 20:58:56 | nikos | "echo the commands?" |
| 21:00:13 | nikers1 | see when they are walking you through the set up on the ppp the person indicats that you need to edit the /etc/resolv.conf, which there is none |
| 21:00:27 | nikers1 | and get pppd up and running |
| 21:00:46 | nikos | nikers1: Not relevant int this case, not exactly. |
| 21:00:54 | nikos | nikers1: vi /etc/resolv.conf will create the file for you. |
| 21:01:05 | nikos | nikers1: Of course then you have to have some idea of what to enter into it. |
| 21:02:43 | nikos | nikers1: Even echo "nameserver <name server ip>" > /etc/resolv.conf would get you past that step for now. |
| 21:03:59 | nikers1 | yup did that |
| 21:04:51 | nikers1 | ok I got it plugin to the linux box now |
| 21:05:04 | nikos | nikers1: By the way, if it's not obvious, the PPPHowto page is edittable. You are free to clear things up. |
| 21:07:05 | nikers1 | I would if I got it working but the instructions that are there are seeming to work to well with my setup |
| 21:07:28 | nikers1 | opps <not> work well |
| 21:09:48 | nikos | nikers1: Do you mean something doesn't match so you can't follow the instructions? Or that the result doesn't work? |
| 21:12:19 | nikers1 | well I followed everything that was listed there to a t and if you look at the winxpppp set instructions that they list, it says that there is still more to setup on the iPAQ |
| 21:12:58 | nikos | Setting up the ipaq |
| 21:12:58 | nikos | familiar 0.51 has ppp mostly setup on the ipaq side, but I did need to change script to assign an ip address, both of the ipaq and xp. Both addresses were arbitrary--the ip I assigned to the xp box was only for the use of the ipaq. It wasn't the actual address that xp was using for itself. I hope that made sense. |
| 21:13:07 | nikos | nikers1: Is that what you are talking about? |
| 21:14:48 | nikers1 | yes that is it |
| 21:15:49 | nikers1 | but just before that it link you to that from familiar with configuring ppp and a link for setting up USB networking |
| 21:23:22 | nikos | is away: Sorry, meeting in RL |
| 21:28:04 | cmarqu | meating in meetspace :) |
| 22:13:53 | nikos | is back (gone 00:50:32) |
| 22:15:00 | nikos | nikers1: I guess you mean that you can't make sense of that paragraph? |
| 22:15:23 | nikos | nikers1: I believe it refers to the next 2 sections where he outlines in specific what he did. |
| 22:36:49 | kergoth | ibot: message for cworth: Email me at kergoth@digitalnemesis.net when you get a chance. I want to discuss some ipkg behaviors. Thanks. |
| 23:11:53 | mallum | a7r: hey |
| 23:12:16 | a7r | mallum: hola. |
| 23:14:28 | mallum | a7r: do you know where jg's been ? I haven't seen him here nor on the list's lately ... |
| 23:15:00 | a7r | mallum: I was thinking the same thing last night.. he's probably just been busy with managerial stuff Re: Compaq and HP. |
| 23:15:39 | mallum | a7r: ah yeah, good point |
| 23:16:11 | mallum | a7r: I exchanged a few mails with him recently, but he was very brief ... probably busy |
| 23:19:30 | mallum | a7r: working on a new menu -> http://handhelds.org/~mallum/screenshots/menu.png |
| 23:20:33 | a7r | mallum: that looks cool. |
| 23:20:45 | pigeon | mallum: nice... reminds of the old days litestep popup menu, and also my lovely afterstep :) |
| 23:21:22 | cmarqu | mallum: Cool. Do you know http://pycage.de/coding.html#fancymenu ? (that's in pygtk, of course) |
| 23:22:35 | mallum | cmarqu: nice |
| 23:23:01 | mallum | This is xlib only and parses /usr/lib/menu directly |
| 23:23:20 | mallum | I'll try it on my ipaq tommorow, hopefully it'll survive rotations |
| 23:24:26 | mallum | If it works ok I'll make it look pretty |
| 23:31:26 | mallum | ok bedtime for me night ppl |
| 23:31:56 | cmarqu | Night mallum |
