| 00:28:40 | molinux | hidi ho |
| 01:26:24 | gls | hello, world |
| 01:26:45 | gls | i'm having a mental-lapse |
| 01:26:55 | gls | does anyone have a LART handy ? |
| 01:27:26 | a7r | A Luser LART or the embedded ARM board? |
| 01:27:34 | gls | i thought that i would be clever and use the stock 0.5.2 kernel with an initrd to boot from CF |
| 01:27:39 | gls | a7r, the first |
| 01:28:06 | gls | but keep failing with Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 01:00 |
| 01:28:34 | gls | i thought that that meant i had forgotten to compile support for ramdisk && initrd into the kernel |
| 01:28:39 | gls | but... |
| 01:30:35 | gls | seems that both are part of the .config |
| 01:30:38 | gls | according to http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/linux/kernel/arch/arm/def-configs/h3600?rev=1.30&only_with_tag=HEAD&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup |
| 01:32:06 | gls | is it really kernel, or did i just make a faulty initrd ? |
| 01:32:45 | gls | [the rest of the boot process seems to move right along, have booted with tangents{?} BootFromCF on same media, etc] |
| 01:46:50 | gls | hmmm |
| 02:07:27 | gls | hi jacques |
| 04:31:51 | JW | hey... I cna't get find to work right |
| 04:32:01 | JW | like, I _know_ this file exists on the system: |
| 04:32:10 | JW | find / -name mpegmt.png -ls |
| 04:32:22 | JW | yet I just get a prompt back... what am I doing wrong? |
| 14:41:12 | boodle | a7r: Heya.. major breakage in latest sshd in unstable it seems.. I'm sure you know |
| 14:41:54 | boodle | a7r: missing files (broken install script maybe) in /etc/init.d and /etc/ssh |
| 15:11:41 | miph | is away: working... |
| 16:49:18 | Cord | the new ssh/sshd-packages hasn't /etc/init.d-scripts. |
| 16:52:21 | Cord | http://handhelds.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi is also completely broken :-( |
| 16:52:44 | Cord | ssh: SQLite Database Engine |
| 17:00:14 | Cord | and now hh.org is dead. |
| 17:48:28 | madnessx | after installing opie I can no longer ssh into my ipaq or use minicom, using the prompt I enterned single user mode and could then use minicom, what's up? |
| 17:49:24 | Cord | madnessx: have you upgraded ssh too? |
| 17:50:08 | Cord | or on second thought have you installed a ppp-packkage with OPIE? |
| 17:50:19 | madnessx | yup.... |
| 17:51:07 | Cord | madnessx: months ago i tried QPE and there was a ppp-package which installed itself into /etc/innittab and started allthe time a ppp... which blocks the connection. |
| 17:51:16 | Cord | inittab. |
| 17:51:26 | madnessx | will a remove of that send the system back to normal ppp behavior? |
| 17:51:44 | madnessx | should |
| 17:51:49 | madnessx | thanx |
| 17:52:05 | Cord | madnessx: if you'Re lucky removing of that package helps... but months ago, removing ends in deleting /etc/inittab |
| 17:52:16 | madnessx | yuck |
| 17:52:18 | Cord | dunno if that is fixed now. |
| 17:52:37 | Cord | i deintalled the whole QPE... |
| 17:52:49 | Cord | (it sucks) |
| 17:52:52 | madnessx | what do you use now? |
| 17:53:08 | Cord | plain familiar apps. chronicle/toad/... |
| 17:53:14 | Cord | on x. |
| 17:53:38 | madnessx | no wm? |
| 17:53:48 | Cord | QPE was the best for Joe User, i guess that it is still... but if you look behind it... it's implemented bad. |
| 17:53:53 | Cord | ion |
| 17:53:55 | Cord | as wm. |
| 17:54:33 | Cord | in /ect/init.d/qpe i found a rm /etc/init.d/x |
| 17:56:38 | madnessx | not in my /etc/init.d/qpe .... |
| 17:56:46 | Cord | ok. |
| 17:57:14 | Cord | then they pulled it out... however: it was bad behaviour and it happened all the time. |
| 17:58:23 | Cord | so i decided to use something else. |
| 17:58:49 | madnessx | aside from the ppp isues and a somewhat flaky keyboard it hasn't caused much trouble, but then I haven't tries to do all that much with it yet |
| 17:58:57 | Cord | (with a usable license ;-) |
| 17:59:13 | madnessx | qpe isn't gpl? |
| 17:59:40 | Cord | qpe? i think it is... but, qpe-desktop comes as closed-source binary. |
| 17:59:50 | madnessx | mmmm |
| 18:00:02 | Cord | i felt like 'first shot is free' |
| 18:00:24 | madnessx | how is embedded gtk-embedded coming? |
| 18:00:29 | Cord | but now theres OPIE, so i dunno how License-issues are with that fork. |
| 18:00:57 | Cord | madnessx: it gets better every week :-) |
| 18:01:30 | Cord | but it is not really ready for Joe User. |
| 18:06:29 | Cord | there are btw more efforts to build a Palmtop-Environment. |
| 18:06:37 | Cord | http://gpe.handhelds.org/ |
| 18:08:00 | madnessx | I need to do some more looking around, bit of a shame qpe seemed to have alot of promise |
| 18:08:23 | Cord | which version is qpe now? |
| 18:10:15 | madnessx | I'm sorry not qpe, --it's not being developed anymore I think... i thought opie was the new dev path |
| 18:10:30 | Cord | hmm.. |
| 18:10:49 | Cord | QPE is renamed to Qtopia |
| 18:11:07 | Cord | http://www.trolltech.com/products/qtopia/ |
| 18:11:46 | | OPIE is at opie.handhelds.org and in the Channel #Opie |
| 18:11:46 | Cord | ibot: OPIE |
| 18:12:26 | | GPE is at http://www.handhelds.org/projects/GPE/ |
| 18:12:26 | Cord | ibot: GPE |
| 18:12:44 | | storm is probably the all-in-one PIM app written in Python/GTK. See http://storm-pim.sourceforge.net/. Latest CVS ipkgs are at http://ipaq.geekserve.org/storm_cvs. "Make cmarqu's life look organized" (join #storm) or at #storm |
| 18:12:44 | Cord | ibot: storm |
| 18:13:07 | Cord | i think these are some points to look :-) |
| 18:13:16 | madnessx | thanx |
| 18:13:19 | | cmarqu: I forgot storm |
| 18:13:19 | cmarqu | ibot: forget storm |
| 18:13:46 | | OK, cmarqu. |
| 18:13:46 | cmarqu | ibot: storm is the all-in-one PIM app written in Python/GTK. See http://storm-pim.sourceforge.net/. Latest CVS ipkgs are at http://ipaq.geekserve.org/storm_cvs. "Make \my life look organized" (join #storm) or at #storm |
| 18:13:53 | | well, storm is the all-in-one PIM app written in Python/GTK. See http://storm-pim.sourceforge.net/. Latest CVS ipkgs are at http://ipaq.geekserve.org/storm_cvs. "Make my life look organized" (join #storm) or at #storm |
| 18:13:53 | cmarqu | ibot: storm? |
| 18:13:57 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 18:14:13 | | cmarqu: I forgot storm |
| 18:14:13 | cmarqu | ibot: forget storm |
| 18:14:47 | | OK, cmarqu. |
| 18:14:47 | cmarqu | ibot: storm is the all-in-one PIM app written in Python/GTK. See http://storm-pim.sourceforge.net/. Latest CVS ipkgs are at http://ipaq.geekserve.org/storm_cvs - "Make \my life look organized" - join #storm |
| 18:16:16 | madnessx | soes storm keeps notes and what not in the persistant ram? |
| 18:16:26 | madnessx | soea =does |
| 18:16:48 | cmarqu | madnessx: it writes them to flash |
| 18:17:03 | cmarqu | so they are persistent, yes |
| 18:17:05 | Cord | i would expect that all apps store there stuff in the flash. |
| 18:17:51 | Cord | ah . |
| 18:17:52 | madnessx | looks like evolution... compatible? |
| 18:18:50 | cmarqu | madnessx: there is an evo2storm.py script to be run on the desktop (works for contacts, and in the host-->iPAQ direction only). |
| 18:19:12 | cmarqu | and I'm not even sure if it works with current CVS storm |
| 18:19:39 | madnessx | thanx for the info.... |
| 18:20:25 | cmarqu | madnessx: eventually, the goal is to have full sync, but it's probably some versions ahead still |
| 18:20:40 | madnessx | good stuff |
| 18:21:24 | madnessx | who maintains evo2storm.py? |
| 18:22:32 | cmarqu | madnessx: the community :) well, if it doesn't work, please file a bug on the Sourceforge page with as much info as you have (patches appreciated of course :) |
| 18:23:00 | madnessx | will do |
| 18:23:54 | cmarqu | madnessx: with storm 0.5.2, it should work. with CVS, I'm not sure. backup your data in any case :) |
| 18:24:21 | Cord | :-) |
| 18:25:03 | madnessx | what's familiar's default runlevel? |
| 18:25:19 | Cord | id:2:initdefault: |
| 18:25:41 | Cord | (with the current-unstable feed i can'rt install storm :-( |
| 18:25:50 | Cord | ERROR: Package python is not available from any configured src. |
| 18:26:36 | cmarqu | Cord: Argh, yeah :/ |
| 18:27:17 | cmarqu | Cord: if you still have the old python, you could -force-depends (with the new ipkg/C at least) |
| 18:27:43 | cmarqu | The old python is now in the python-lang package IIRC |
| 18:28:04 | Cord | python-lang is installed, but ipkg won't force. |
| 18:28:44 | Cord | cmarqu: btw: the link to storm-cvs is broken to. |
| 18:28:46 | Cord | o |
| 18:28:57 | Cord | the Packages-File is empty. |
| 18:29:21 | cmarqu | Hrrrm. CVS should be usable, if you feel like using the new python packages (don't have them yet myself) |
| 18:29:43 | cmarqu | Cord: Ah. dc will need to fix that. I'll change the text again. |
| 18:30:00 | Cord | as long as it doesn't rm-rf / my iPAQ... my dates are currently handled with chronicle :-) |
| 18:30:21 | cmarqu | "sudo make ipkg" should work if you check out directly from CVS |
| 18:30:38 | cmarqu | Cord: you seem to have many dates :) |
| 18:30:55 | Cord | cmarqu: *whistle* |
| 18:31:12 | cmarqu | Cord: can you sync some to me? :) |
| 18:31:14 | Cord | hmmm.. storm_0.6-2002-04-15T22.01.33_arm.ipk --> ipkg: invalid compressed data--crc error |
| 18:31:34 | cmarqu | Cord: yeah. but the package seems to be fine anyway. |
| 18:31:39 | Cord | cmarqu: make your own :-) |
| 18:31:55 | cmarqu | I filed a bug about that already... |
| 18:31:59 | Cord | ipkg denies to install it. |
| 18:32:38 | cmarqu | Cord: you didn't make that ipkg yourself, right? |
| 18:32:43 | Cord | drops it with tar into the fs :-) |
| 18:33:04 | Cord | cmarqu: nope. it'S the one out of the unstable-feed. |
| 18:33:38 | cmarqu | The cvs feed I suppose? unstable only has 0.5.2, no? |
| 18:33:51 | cmarqu | Or did dc upload it? |
| 18:33:52 | Cord | cmarqu: afaik yes. |
| 18:33:56 | cmarqu | Hi nikos |
| 18:34:00 | Cord | yes. |
| 18:34:04 | nikos | cmarqu: Hi |
| 18:34:06 | Cord | no. :-) |
| 18:34:07 | cmarqu | Hmm. |
| 18:34:15 | Cord | <--- out of sync |
| 18:34:22 | nikos | Anybody tried jamey's prism2 driver yet? |
| 19:07:35 | madnessx | does familiar 5.1 support sound on theipaq 3765 |
| 19:07:51 | Cord | it does on the 36xx |
| 19:08:01 | nikos | madnessx: Should, in that respect they are identical to 36xx. |
| 19:08:43 | madnessx | thanx |
| 19:09:42 | nikos | madnessx: cat /dev/sound/dsp > /dev/sound dsp |
| 19:09:48 | nikos | madnessx: Be ready with ctrl-c. |
| 19:09:57 | nikos | madnessx: cat /dev/sound/dsp > /dev/sound/dsp |
| 19:10:16 | madnessx | feedback loop? |
| 19:10:28 | nikos | Yep |
| 19:10:56 | Cord | coool :-) |
| 19:10:57 | nikos | Quick check of both in and out. |
| 19:11:16 | madnessx | sweet |
| 19:11:42 | nikos | madnessx: Work? |
| 19:11:52 | madnessx | once I reinstall familiar I'll give it a test, removing opie wasn't very health for my system |
| 19:11:58 | nikos | Heh, OK |
| 19:12:05 | cmarqu | Argh. My ssh update takes ages... OOM I gues... |
| 19:12:25 | Cord | ssh 3.x is incomplete! |
| 19:12:34 | nikos | cmarqu: OOF you mean, the garbage collection can get bogged up in low flash situations. |
| 19:12:37 | cmarqu | Cord: yeah, I read your mail... :/ |
| 19:12:47 | Cord | ok. just to make sure... :-) |
| 19:12:50 | nikos | It's already been noted in Bugzilla. |
| 19:12:59 | nikos | the sshd issue I mean |
| 19:13:03 | cmarqu | nikos: Uh, yeah :) At least it does *something*. |
| 19:13:08 | Cord | nikos: i didn't saw it. |
| 19:13:19 | nikos | Cord: No? Hmm, let me check again. |
| 19:13:46 | Cord | . o O ( did i mention that bugzilla is bloated, slow and ...? ) |
| 19:14:02 | Cord | sshd freezes with big stdout writes |
| 19:14:06 | Cord | sshd looks for xauth in wrong location |
| 19:14:44 | Cord | if i search for ssh i find 4 bugs... but i don't think any of those isit. |
| 19:15:52 | nikos | Cord: Indeed, please enter it. I got confused by some email's that a7r sent. |
| 19:16:30 | Cord | nikos: as i wrote: i tried it, but something went wrong. |
| 19:16:44 | nikos | Cord: Do you mind trying it again? |
| 19:17:11 | Cord | ssh: SQLite Database Engine |
| 19:17:20 | Cord | i try. |
| 19:17:38 | nikos | Cord: Ignore that description. |
| 19:18:27 | Cord | #300 |
| 19:18:36 | nikos | Cord: Work this time? |
| 19:18:43 | Cord | yup. |
| 19:18:45 | Cord | Email sent to: cworth@east.isi.edu |
| 19:18:56 | Cord | (i think that 17r took that over?! |
| 19:19:11 | nikos | Cord: Thank you, don't worry about it. It will get sorted out. |
| 19:19:14 | cmarqu | bugzilla seems to get the assigns wrong a lot lately |
| 19:19:34 | cmarqu | e.g., jamey got all of my ipkg bugs initially... |
| 19:19:36 | Cord | nikos: i fixed it by copying over some files from my Desktop-Debian-Box. |
| 19:19:41 | nikos | cmarqu: It's not a lately thing. All the assignments defaulted to the package owner, which all were originally cworth. |
| 19:20:15 | nikos | cmarqu: Or something like that... |
| 19:20:24 | cmarqu | Oh. And it doesn't know about the current packages. |
| 19:20:30 | Cord | i like that Debian-BTS a lot more... gimme a Email-Interface and i'll file all things i find :-) |
| 19:20:46 | nikos | cmarqu: Right, it was just set once, needs to be fixed manually for each package by the appropriate maintainer. |
| 19:20:57 | Cord | (not only the critical ones) |
| 19:21:44 | nikos | Cord: We already fought that battle (ran GNATS), it got very little use. |
| 19:21:48 | Cord | . o O ( now they stick with bugzilla, to avoid that ;-) |
| 19:23:29 | Cord | nikos: i build a bts with gnats in '96 but gnats was ugly that days... (however: there weren't alternatives) |
| 19:23:52 | cmarqu | jitterbug is okay IMO |
| 19:26:27 | Cord | hmm. |
| 19:38:30 | molinux | hello hello |
| 19:38:48 | molinux | anyone have linux installed on an iPAQ? |
| 19:39:32 | nikos | molinux: Certainly. |
| 19:45:56 | nikos | jg: Hello, how are you? |
| 19:46:18 | jg | hi. recovered from my latest cold... |
| 19:46:38 | nikos | jg: Great, are you fighting the demo battle too? |
| 19:47:02 | jg | mostly done. Dunno what if any repercussions will happen yet, tho... |
| 19:47:28 | nikos | jg: I don't even know the situation, just heard jamey say that he was very busy recently. |
| 19:47:31 | molinux | Hi nikos it's me nike from yesterday |
| 19:47:40 | nikos | molinux: Ah, hi. |
| 19:47:58 | jg | nikos: Yup. He and I have both been flat out... |
| 19:48:33 | molinux | lol I am |
| 19:48:34 | nikos | jg: I've got to think opn's request for a T3 is a bit dreamy. |
| 19:49:08 | jg | Dunno whether they are on drugs or not... |
| 19:49:39 | BBrox | jg: BTW, I liked your posts on the XFree-devel lists about the future of the X11 system... Now if only I could find time to help :-) |
| 19:50:17 | jg | BBrox: just finished a Usenix paper on the topic... |
| 19:51:03 | molinux | nikos: from yesterday I have only managed to load Qtopia Via individule pkg through serial |
| 19:51:41 | nikos | molinux: That's that PITA that I mentioned. |
| 19:52:36 | molinux | I know but it seems to be my only optionat least when I do that I can get fimiliar editing files with the echo command |
| 19:53:04 | nikos | molinux: I'm still lost on why you can't use vi. |
| 19:53:09 | molinux | I just wish there was a way to view the contents before I edit them |
| 19:53:17 | nikos | molinux: cat |
| 19:53:28 | nikos | molinux: Or install less. |
| 19:54:07 | nikos | molinux: I'm afraid familiar really isn't ready for someone who isn't already fairly comfortable with Linux and the shell. |
| 19:54:12 | molinux | well as I am understood the Fimiliar console only has a few commands in it |
| 19:54:37 | nikos | molinux: Few is relative. It still has a lot compared to say DOS. |
| 19:55:04 | molinux | ? cat or install less? |
| 19:55:46 | nikos | molinux: http://linux.ctyme.com/man/man0186.htm |
| 19:55:54 | molinux | I am not a DOS person myself its just that I dont spend alot of time on my shell |
| 19:56:01 | nikos | molinux: Err, ignore that URL, bad page. |
| 19:56:56 | nikos | molinux: http://www2.linuxpakistan.net/man.php?query=cat&apropos=0§ion=0&type=2 |
| 19:57:10 | nikos | molinux: http://www2.linuxpakistan.net/man.php?query=less&apropos=0§ion=0&type=2 |
| 20:00:28 | molinux | ahh kewl as soon as I finish load a new partition I will try it |
| 20:00:30 | molinux | thank you |
| 20:01:05 | nikos | molinux: http://www2.linuxpakistan.net/man.php?query=vi&apropos=0§ion=0&type=2 |
| 20:01:25 | molinux | that is exactly what I was looking for cause I need to set the ip and hostname, I can ping the machine from my boxes but the iPAQ can not ping the network |
| 20:02:26 | molinux | I will suceed loading linux via serial connection |
| 20:10:39 | madnessx | what stty setting does anyone use here when connecting with there ipaq? |
| 20:11:00 | madnessx | I'm on a debian sid if it matters |
| 20:12:33 | madnessx | nevermind |
| 20:13:16 | nikos | 115200 8-N-1 no flow control? Is that what you mean? |
| 20:13:41 | molinux | depends on what com port you are on |
| 20:14:40 | madnessx | not needed -- there are a crap load of options with stty, but I realized it's not causing the problems :) |
| 20:20:03 | Cord | uses minicom for serial connection. |
| 20:20:20 | molinux | hmm |
| 20:20:42 | nikos | Cord: I believe connection == IP enabled connection in this context. Is in PPP. |
| 20:20:52 | molinux | what distro are you using ? |
| 20:20:54 | nikos | s/Is/As/ |
| 20:21:30 | molinux | Cord ? |
| 20:21:34 | Cord | nikos: minicom if i've broken ssh or ppp, pppd via pon else. |
| 20:21:40 | Cord | molinux: Debian-testing. |
| 20:22:06 | molinux | ahh what boot loader are you using ? |
| 20:22:07 | nikos | I do the same with unstable. |
| 20:22:19 | nikos | molinux: Are you asking about on the desktop or on the ipaq? |
| 20:22:29 | molinux | iPAQ :) |
| 20:22:44 | Cord | molinux: on the ipaq or on the pC? |
| 20:22:46 | nikos | molinux: We all run Familiar. ;) Note that channel name. |
| 20:23:04 | Cord | molinux: bootldr 2.16.19 or something. |
| 20:23:33 | Cord | i've done that with debian-unstabel too at work :-) |
| 20:23:45 | molinux | sorry I ment are you using fimilar ? |
| 20:24:08 | Cord | molinux: yes. Debian is on my other computers. |
| 20:25:22 | molinux | I have a 3835 iPAQ that I am trying to load linux on via a winXP box and having some trouble with a ppp connection through serial |
| 20:26:21 | molinux | now I am sitting here at my linux box and could use minicom but I can not get minicom to communicate with the iPAQ |
| 20:27:31 | molinux | Cord would you have a some time to help out ? |
| 20:28:01 | nikos | molinux: What's the problem with minicom? Did you set the settings, not particularly that you must set hardware and sofware flow control to off. |
| 20:28:06 | nikos | s/not/note/ |
| 20:28:18 | Cord | molinux: see nikos. |
| 20:28:26 | nikos | molinux: Nearly all of us use minicom. |
| 20:28:49 | Cord | molinux: jst ask... someone will answer ;-) |
| 20:30:38 | molinux | yes I did but when I get the ipaq to the boot loader screen I can not communicate with it |
| 20:30:58 | molinux | or even when I got it to boot |
| 20:31:27 | Cord | you're sure that you try it on the right serial-port? |
| 20:32:32 | molinux | how would I test to make sure? |
| 20:35:28 | nikos | molinux: That is flow control. |
| 20:35:41 | nikos | molinux: If you can see output, but can't input, you have the flow control set wrong. |
| 20:35:55 | molinux | when I first start minicom it said that there was no modem file in the /ETC dir so I tested to see with kppp what responded with a quary modem and got ttys1and made a file the the /etc called modem and now minicom starts |
| 20:37:12 | nikos | molinux: ctrl-a o , Serial Port Setup... What are your settings? |
| 20:37:47 | molinux | in konsole? |
| 20:38:04 | Cord | molinux: in minicom |
| 20:38:32 | molinux | is that 0 or o |
| 20:38:37 | nikos | molinux: oh, not zero |
| 20:38:37 | molinux | o |
| 20:38:56 | molinux | lol it does not respond |
| 20:39:12 | nikos | molinux: how about alt-o |
| 20:39:46 | nikos | molinux: Or if that fails, get back to a prompt and run 'minicom -s' |
| 20:40:21 | Cord | molinux: maybe your minicom shows in the bottom line how you can get help? |
| 20:40:44 | nikos | molinux: If minicom -s works, look at Screen and Keyboard, option A. |
| 20:40:44 | madnessx | alright I can ping my nameserver, but can't resolve names, what's up? |
| 20:40:44 | madnessx | I had this problem before, and it seem to go away on it own... with familiar .1 |
| 20:40:44 | madnessx | 5.1 |
| 20:40:44 | madnessx | my resolve.conf is correct |
| 20:41:05 | nikos | madnessx: I hope that is /etc/resolv.conf, not resolve.conf |
| 20:41:28 | molinux | ok serial port setup: serial device /dev/modem.....lockfile location /var/lock .......bps/par/bits 115200 no hardware control and no software control |
| 20:41:29 | madnessx | damnit.... |
| 20:41:48 | madnessx | doh, I feel dumb |
| 20:41:56 | nikos | molinux: 115200 8N1 ? |
| 20:41:57 | Cord | madnessx :-) |
| 20:42:05 | molinux | yes sorry |
| 20:42:37 | nikos | molinux: Did you just change it, or was that the way it was by default? |
| 20:42:59 | nikos | madnessx: It happens to all of us, I'll do something similiar in a few minutes, just wait... |
| 20:43:09 | Cord | molinux: you can see lines from the ipaq, but you can not type to the ipaq? |
| 20:43:27 | molinux | I made sure that I changed it when I hooked it up |
| 20:43:48 | cmarqu | Cord: Oh, you are in #dana.de :) |
| 20:43:56 | Cord | cmarqu: i am :-) |
| 20:44:01 | Cord | who are you? |
| 20:44:45 | molinux | the ipaq is sitting at a penguin picture and blinking |
| 20:44:56 | nikos | molinux: The question is do you get any output on the serial connection. |
| 20:44:59 | molinux | like it is booted to the filesystem |
| 20:45:08 | nikos | molinux: Like a login prompt for example. |
| 20:45:20 | molinux | nope only on my win box |
| 20:45:25 | nikos | molinux: If need be, just hit the little button on the bottom to reset the ipaq. |
| 20:45:35 | nikos | molinux: While minicom is running that is. |
| 20:45:41 | madnessx | going to go get a hair cut so I can impress all the ladies.... |
| 20:45:50 | nikos | madnessx: Have fun. |
| 20:46:00 | molinux | ok I will do that now, and do I want to boot the file system ? |
| 20:46:19 | molinux | madnessx seeya |
| 20:46:22 | nikos | molinux: I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 20:46:52 | molinux | I can eather go to the boot loader prompt or the login screen |
| 20:47:05 | nikos | molinux: Either is fine. |
| 20:47:38 | molinux | ok I am at the log in screen on the iPAQ but not minicom |
| 20:47:50 | molinux | what do I type at minicom? |
| 20:47:56 | nikos | molinux: You don't see anything in minicom? |
| 20:48:04 | molinux | nope |
| 20:48:36 | nikos | molinux: I don't think you want to be using /dev/modem. |
| 20:48:48 | nikos | molinux: Try /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:49:00 | nikos | molinux: And if you have more than one serial port, try switching back and forth. |
| 20:49:18 | molinux | ok |
| 20:49:18 | nikos | molinux: I mean, try it plugged into one, if it doesn't work. Then try the other one. |
| 20:49:26 | Cord | with setserial you can monitor your ports. plug the ipaq in and out to see something change :-) |
| 20:49:37 | nikos | Cord: How is that done? |
| 20:50:06 | Cord | s/setserial/statserial/ |
| 20:50:18 | nikos | Cord: Don't have that one... |
| 20:50:25 | Cord | apt-get install statserial |
| 20:50:36 | Cord | (we all have debian here?) |
| 20:50:41 | Cord | *ducks* |
| 20:53:21 | nikos | realizes he still has a 190 package apt-get upgrade going... |
| 20:53:46 | Cord | nikos: your ancient :-) |
| 20:53:47 | nikos | Cord: Unfortunately not. ;) |
| 20:54:04 | nikos | Cord: Yeah, I'm about 5 or so days old now. ;) |
| 20:54:22 | molinux | how do I setserial to m\onitor |
| 20:54:24 | Cord | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6776 Dec 22 02:39 /usr/bin/statserial |
| 20:54:33 | nikos | molinux: Typo, he meant statserial |
| 20:54:49 | nikos | molinux: What linux distribution are you using? |
| 20:54:57 | nikos | molinux: On your desktop I mean. |
| 20:55:00 | molinux | suse7.0 |
| 20:55:29 | nikos | molinux: You could look for a statserial package if you like. |
| 20:58:05 | Cord | hmmm... i could tell were you can get redhat-rpms... but suse... they use 8.3 names for their packages (because of that they send me each new release as gift ;-) |
| 21:08:42 | molinux | well no statserial |
| 21:09:49 | Cord | molinux: i could send you mine, but you'll need libc.so.6 and libncurses.so.5 |
| 21:09:52 | molinux | when I bring up minicom it should be at a prompt to start initializing commands right ? |
| 21:10:13 | Cord | molinux: yes. if it has boot up 'login:' |
| 21:10:26 | Cord | in the prom something else :-) |
| 21:10:27 | molinux | ahh see that I dont get |
| 21:11:12 | nikos | molinux: Unless the ipaq is outputting text, you will not see anything in minicom. |
| 21:11:24 | nikos | molinux: So its best to reset the ipaq each time you try another connection. |
| 21:11:35 | nikos | molinux: To ensure that it generates some output. |
| 21:11:52 | molinux | well when I hook it up to the win pc it works just fine |
| 21:12:03 | nikos | molinux: I don't think you follow me. |
| 21:12:09 | molinux | I can do what ever there |
| 21:12:16 | nikos | molinux: If you boot up the ipaq and it finishes... |
| 21:12:31 | Cord | waves. |
| 21:12:35 | nikos | molinux: Then hook it up to hyperterminal, you won't see anything unless you type a character. |
| 21:13:05 | nikos | molinux: Same story here, but we want to make sure that at least the "receving" part is working before we worry about the "sending" part. |
| 21:13:35 | molinux | right but I can take it to a Raw bootldr and then hit the task button to start the osfilesystem |
| 21:13:42 | nikos | Cord: statserial is very cool, thanks for the info. |
| 21:13:54 | nikos | molinux: Yes, right that would be fine. |
| 21:14:08 | nikos | molinux: Anything to force the ipaq to generate output to serial. |
| 21:14:37 | molinux | yup see I just tried to get that and did not get anything |
| 21:14:41 | nikos | molinux: The problem is that once it is booted up to the login prompt, there is nothing you can do short of resetting the ipaq to get output, if input on serial is not working. |
| 21:15:09 | nikos | molinux: Have you tried both serial connections and modified minicom's settings appropriately? |
| 21:15:49 | nikos | molinux: Hook it up to one serial port, try setting minicom to use /dev/ttyS0, then try /dev/ttyS1. Then hook it up to the other one, and repeat. |
| 21:15:49 | molinux | well I only have one serial port on this linux box |
| 21:15:56 | nikos | molinux: OK, are you sure? |
| 21:16:10 | molinux | yeah let me try that though |
| 21:16:16 | nikos | molinux: Is it that the motherboard doesn't have 2, or it just doesn't have a cable? |
| 21:16:29 | nikos | s/cable/connect/ whatever |
| 21:16:35 | nikos | err connection I mean |
| 21:17:26 | molinux | yeah this is an older at box with the generic cable serial port |
| 21:17:46 | nikos | molinux: Is one a 25 pin and the other 9 pin maybe? |
| 21:18:26 | molinux | yeah exactly |
| 21:18:42 | nikos | molinux: OK, I think it safe to assume that the 25 pin is ttyS0 |
| 21:19:04 | nikos | molinux: So make sure to try /dev/ttyS1 if you plug into the db9. |
| 21:19:19 | molinux | ok I am doing that now |
| 21:19:43 | molinux | nope nothing |
| 21:19:47 | nikos | molinux: Do you ever use that port for anything else? A modem or anything? |
| 21:20:03 | molinux | nope |
| 21:20:21 | nikos | molinux: It's hard to know where the problem is. It would be nice to know that the serial port even works. |
| 21:20:31 | molinux | any way to verify that it is hooked up right ? |
| 21:20:49 | molinux | lol yeah I know |
| 21:20:51 | nikos | molinux: Well, do you ever work on computers? |
| 21:21:00 | molinux | all the time |
| 21:21:14 | nikos | molinux: I mean opening them up and working on the hardware. |
| 21:21:27 | molinux | I rarely mess with older systems like this one |
| 21:21:44 | molinux | lol this one is wide open |
| 21:21:58 | nikos | molinux: The serial connectin is probably on a short ribbon cable that connects to the motherboard. |
| 21:22:08 | molinux | right |
| 21:22:12 | nikos | molinux: See if you can check that connection, and if it is in the right orientation. |
| 21:22:25 | nikos | molinux: Maybe the conneciton on the motherboard is even labelled. |
| 21:22:30 | molinux | I just made sure it was connected but I am thin\king it may be turned around |
| 21:22:41 | nikos | molinux: Maybe |
| 21:23:06 | molinux | there a two ports that it can be connected tp |
| 21:23:12 | molinux | tp = to |
| 21:23:14 | nikos | molinux: Any labels? |
| 21:24:38 | molinux | the one that it is plugged into is com1 and the red side of the ribbon is on the j 10 side |
| 21:25:28 | nikos | molinux: Is there a little number 1 at one of the corners? |
| 21:25:35 | molinux | I can not tell which is pin one |
| 21:25:36 | nikos | molinux: Or a thick white line? |
| 21:26:05 | nikos | molinux: Is the other com2? |
| 21:26:17 | molinux | molinux grabes light and checks |
| 21:27:56 | VerxWork | anyone here know how to get the stowaway keyboard to work on familiar? |
| 21:28:04 | VerxWork | I installed the stowaway modules. . . |
| 21:28:20 | nikos | VerxWork: You must remove the console from the serial port. |
| 21:28:27 | molinux | nope no line just fliped it aroung and trying again |
| 21:28:35 | nikos | VerxWork: and echo >> /dev/stowaway to get it started. |
| 21:28:57 | nikos | VerxWork: Or maybe echo < /dev/stowaway I can't remember exactly. |
| 21:29:13 | nikos | molinux: Yeah, you'll just have to try trial and error probably. |
| 21:29:16 | molinux | ttys0 = com 1 right |
| 21:29:28 | nikos | molinux: You might want to look around for statserial suse package, it would speed things up. |
| 21:29:39 | nikos | molinux: I believe that is right. |
| 21:29:49 | nikos | molinux: The other thing is, it can be changed in some bioses. |
| 21:29:54 | molinux | let me look in to a yast update |
| 21:29:58 | VerxWork | nikos: Hrm. ok |
| 21:30:06 | VerxWork | when you say "remove the console from the serial port" |
| 21:30:15 | VerxWork | do you mean removing something from inittab? |
| 21:30:22 | nikos | VerxWork: You have to change linuxargs in the bootloader, or maybe create a bootloader file thingy. |
| 21:30:36 | VerxWork | I would like to know if I can set this up to toggle console/keyboard without doing a reboot |
| 21:30:39 | VerxWork | is that possible? |
| 21:30:42 | nikos | VerxWork: ohhh, and telinit 3 |
| 21:31:02 | nikos | VerxWork: Yes, you must telinit to get rid of getty and change linux to not use serial for console. |
| 21:31:15 | VerxWork | I have no /dev/stowaway |
| 21:31:16 | VerxWork | :( |
| 21:31:22 | nikos | VerxWork: No, it's not really possible. |
| 21:31:53 | nikos | VerxWork: run ipkg files <stowaway module ipkg name> |
| 21:31:58 | nikos | VerxWork: OH OH |
| 21:31:59 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:32:07 | nikos | VerxWork: You have to modprobe the stowaway module. |
| 21:32:13 | nikos | VerxWork: Or insmod or whatever. |
| 21:32:44 | nikos | VerxWork: Sorry, I haven't used mine in months. |
| 21:32:47 | VerxWork | ok, I got the module loaded |
| 21:32:56 | VerxWork | now I have /dev/stowaway |
| 21:33:20 | nikos | VerxWork: You got linux off the console and got rid of getty? |
| 21:33:33 | madnessx-away | how do i get ion to run inside of x? |
| 21:33:37 | VerxWork | not yet nikos, I am trying to figure out how to do that |
| 21:33:44 | nikos | VerxWork: Which one? |
| 21:33:51 | madnessx-away | i just started x with the init.d script |
| 21:34:06 | nikos | madnessx-away: If you install ion it should set up x-window-manager itself. |
| 21:34:16 | nikos | madnessx-away: Reinstall it if need be. |
| 21:34:23 | nikos | madnessx-away: Then just restart X. |
| 21:34:39 | VerxWork | ok, there is a line in my inittab |
| 21:34:41 | madnessx | will do |
| 21:34:51 | VerxWork | T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttySA0 115200 vt100 |
| 21:34:52 | nikos | VerxWork: telinit 3 I think will change to the mode with no getty. |
| 21:35:02 | VerxWork | I should be able to get rid of it with a telinit 3 |
| 21:35:05 | nikos | Heh |
| 21:35:32 | nikos | madnessx: Have you tried matchbox? |
| 21:35:37 | VerxWork | no, I typed "telinit 3" from the console |
| 21:35:41 | VerxWork | and the console still works |
| 21:35:56 | nikos | VerxWork: You can't do it that way. |
| 21:36:00 | VerxWork | how should I do it? |
| 21:36:08 | nikos | VerxWork: You have to change the bootloader vars to get linux off the console first. |
| 21:36:14 | VerxWork | oh |
| 21:36:15 | VerxWork | criminy |
| 21:36:18 | nikos | VerxWork: Then from network connection or whatever, telinit 3 |
| 21:36:20 | VerxWork | so I -*HAVE*- to reboot |
| 21:36:23 | nikos | VerxWork: Then load stowaway. |
| 21:36:26 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:36:28 | nikos | VerxWork: Yes, exactly, no choice. |
| 21:36:28 | VerxWork | sec |
| 21:36:52 | nikos | VerxWork: Then read from /dev/stowaway, or right to it or something to wake it up. |
| 21:36:57 | nikos | s/right/write/ |
| 21:37:13 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:37:18 | VerxWork | lemme rebewt |
| 21:38:32 | VerxWork | oh, I totally forgot about this |
| 21:38:39 | VerxWork | now the display constantly screws up |
| 21:38:45 | VerxWork | with garbage messages |
| 21:39:05 | VerxWork | from every single thing I do that generates these messages |
| 21:40:07 | VerxWork | there needs to be a way to tell it "DON'T SEND THESE MESSAGES TO THE IPAQ SCREEN YOU STUPID KERNEL YOU!" |
| 21:40:08 | VerxWork | :) |
| 21:40:11 | nikos | VerxWork: That will disappear when X starts. |
| 21:40:16 | VerxWork | I run opie |
| 21:40:19 | VerxWork | and they don't disappear |
| 21:40:26 | VerxWork | they disappear when it draws on top of them |
| 21:40:33 | nikos | Set the consoel to /dev/null? |
| 21:40:34 | VerxWork | but they persist until something draws on top of them |
| 21:40:39 | VerxWork | how do I do that? |
| 21:41:57 | nikos | VerxWork: try console=null |
| 21:42:02 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:42:32 | VerxWork | if that does it, I will be a VERY happy person |
| 21:42:33 | VerxWork | :)_\ |
| 21:43:13 | VerxWork | the new bootloader has the penguin aimed the same way as the console |
| 21:43:44 | VerxWork | there is a god |
| 21:43:51 | VerxWork | it worked |
| 21:43:57 | VerxWork | I get console messages during bootup |
| 21:43:59 | VerxWork | but once it boots |
| 21:44:01 | nikos | great, next step... |
| 21:44:04 | VerxWork | they don't go there anywhere |
| 21:44:07 | nikos | cool |
| 21:48:23 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:48:34 | VerxWork | it is saying device or resource busy when I try to echo > /dev/stowaway |
| 21:48:53 | VerxWork | I suppose the fact that I can still login through the console is a sign that this is the problem? |
| 21:49:58 | molinux | not having to much luck finding the update for setserialk |
| 21:50:21 | nikos | VerxWork: You can't use the console at all. |
| 21:50:43 | nikos | VerxWork: You have to use either an onscreen terminal, or a network connection, or write a script that you can start from a menu or something. |
| 21:50:50 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:50:54 | VerxWork | well, here is what I did |
| 21:51:01 | VerxWork | my /boot/params contains: |
| 21:51:18 | VerxWork | set linuxargs="noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc console=null" |
| 21:51:26 | VerxWork | (which seems to eliminate some but not all console messages) |
| 21:51:37 | VerxWork | then I did modprobe h3600_stowaway |
| 21:51:42 | VerxWork | then telinit 3 |
| 21:51:50 | VerxWork | then echo > /dev/stowaway |
| 21:51:58 | VerxWork | it is saying the device/resource is busy |
| 21:52:07 | nikos | VerxWork: Do the modprobe last. |
| 21:52:11 | nikos | err no |
| 21:52:14 | nikos | just before the echo |
| 21:52:20 | VerxWork | cripes |
| 21:52:28 | nikos | The getty has to be out of the way before you load the module. |
| 21:52:32 | VerxWork | it just turned itself off and I cant get it to come back on |
| 21:52:45 | VerxWork | ok nikos, lemme reset it |
| 21:52:46 | nikos | VerxWork: What bootloader are you running? |
| 21:52:50 | VerxWork | 3.18.39 |
| 21:52:58 | nikos | VerxWork: Hmm, that one should be fixed... |
| 21:53:11 | VerxWork | er, 2.18.39 sorry |
| 21:53:48 | VerxWork | yeah, I just confirmed if I turn it off, it fails to turn back on |
| 21:55:23 | VerxWork | ok |
| 21:55:25 | VerxWork | this time I did: |
| 21:55:31 | VerxWork | telinit 3 |
| 21:55:38 | VerxWork | modprobe h3600_stowaway |
| 21:55:43 | VerxWork | echo > /dev/stowaway |
| 21:55:45 | VerxWork | same thing |
| 21:55:54 | VerxWork | sh: /dev/stowaway: Device or resource busy |
| 21:56:10 | nikos | VerxWork: How are you doing this? |
| 21:56:16 | VerxWork | from konsole |
| 21:56:20 | nikos | OK |
| 21:56:21 | VerxWork | right no the IPAQ itself |
| 21:56:28 | VerxWork | just to be certain. |
| 21:56:30 | nikos | try echo < /dev/stowaway |
| 21:56:49 | VerxWork | same message |
| 21:57:26 | nikos | VerxWork: I'll bring my keyboard to the office tomorrow and try it, I'm not sure what else to do. |
| 22:00:20 | VerxWork | ok |
| 22:00:21 | VerxWork | hrm |
| 22:06:20 | molinux | hey nikos now when I try to open minicom I get minicom can not open /dev/ttys1: input out put error |
| 22:08:58 | VerxWork | ok nikos |
| 22:09:00 | VerxWork | I found it |
| 22:09:06 | VerxWork | http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/familiar/2001-December/004095.html |
| 22:09:13 | VerxWork | that URL has stowaway help that works |
| 22:09:13 | VerxWork | :) |
| 22:09:40 | VerxWork | what I don't know |
| 22:09:47 | VerxWork | is how to get rid of the console messages |
| 22:09:49 | VerxWork | or |
| 22:09:52 | VerxWork | -*ARG*- |
| 22:10:03 | VerxWork | how to get the powersave mode to not kill my ipaq when it powers down |
| 22:10:08 | VerxWork | when it powers off, it is permanent now |
| 22:10:11 | VerxWork | until I reset it |
| 23:38:06 | molinux | Hello |
| 23:38:53 | molinux | anybody in here running linux on a ipaq |