| 00:01:14 | xsdg_away | How can I install familiar on my iPaq without using a serial cable? (I wanna install on my pcmcia drive) |
| 01:25:53 | banshee | might be able to install it onto a cf card, don't know about pcmcia drives |
| 01:47:24 | xsdg_away | banshee: I think I've almost got it... |
| 01:48:12 | xsdg_away | banshee: I partitioned my drive on my lappie (50 megs Fat16, the rest ext3), and I can boot linux using "Boot VFAT" off of the Fat partition |
| 01:48:25 | xsdg_away | banshee: well... almost time for the moment(s) of truth :oP |
| 03:40:35 | swchen | who |
| 03:40:36 | swchen | ? |
| 03:40:36 | swchen | quit |
| 09:06:24 | sascha | hu ? |
| 09:30:40 | sascha | hello, has anybody installed the new version of strom yet ? |
| 09:46:56 | sascha | hello, i have a problem with the new version of storm : storm would not start up : "ImportError: |
| 09:46:56 | sascha | /usr/lib/python2.2/lib-dynload/time.so: "symbol |
| 09:46:56 | sascha | __register_frame_info, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file |
| 09:46:58 | sascha | libc.so.6 with link time reference" |
| 09:53:12 | sascha | no ideas ? |
| 10:58:09 | sascha | pls help! i could'n get storm starting! |
| 11:12:42 | Wooble | is there a way to see all your installed packages on familiar (ipkg)? |
| 11:12:53 | Wooble | ipkg -l doesn't seem to be inplemented... |
| 11:13:49 | Wooble | I do have an overview when I do "ipkg upgrade", but it seems kinda usefull to get a list in a more convenient way... |
| 11:14:35 | sascha | Wooble: "ipkg status" ? |
| 11:14:47 | sascha | ...lists all your packages, i think ;) |
| 11:14:54 | Wooble | indeed |
| 11:14:58 | Wooble | didn't kmnow |
| 11:15:08 | Wooble | sascha: where did you find that info? |
| 11:15:37 | sascha | just type ipkg ... that prints you aout the help ! |
| 11:15:57 | sascha | i dont know if this right for the C version of ipkg |
| 11:16:01 | Wooble | sascha: yep, seems I read over it... |
| 11:16:13 | sascha | fine ;) |
| 11:18:30 | sascha | Wooble: did you try ipkg status ? |
| 11:20:08 | Wooble | sascha: yep |
| 11:20:13 | Wooble | sascha: and it works |
| 11:20:19 | Wooble | sascha: gives a lot of output |
| 11:20:29 | Wooble | sascha: any output is just fine to me :) |
| 11:20:35 | sascha | yes, maybe use grep ? |
| 11:21:04 | Wooble | sascha: yeah, but I fund the stuff I needed |
| 11:21:28 | sascha | did you have experience with the new storm ...? |
| 11:21:50 | Wooble | sascha: no |
| 11:21:57 | Wooble | sascha: I installed X last week |
| 11:22:18 | Wooble | sascha: now I'm gonna try to write some easy ncurses programs... |
| 11:22:28 | Wooble | sascha: in my case, it's just for fun :) |
| 11:22:29 | sascha | okay, |
| 11:23:19 | sascha | yes ! that's it is ;) but i want to use storm ! and it wont start up ! maybe i try a later version of storm ... |
| 11:23:38 | Wooble | sascha: the WiKi pages? |
| 11:23:54 | Wooble | i think I've read some stuff about it |
| 11:24:00 | Wooble | also in the mailinglists |
| 11:24:21 | sascha | i read it, but i think its a problem with the different python's on feeds ! |
| 11:24:46 | Wooble | sascha: yuhh. That's some ugly stuff... |
| 11:24:49 | sascha | it is a very new storm packages (vesion 6x or so) |
| 11:25:00 | sascha | oh yes .. :) |
| 11:26:07 | sascha | i have deinstalled all of python and reinstall the packages that storm needs. but if i try to start storm, it gives me mystic errors ... |
| 11:26:19 | Wooble | sascha: of course, when everything works "out-of-the-box", then there is no fun about it :) |
| 11:26:56 | sascha | hehe! |
| 13:01:13 | Groucho | Hi there. |
| 13:01:55 | Groucho | I have asked this before without reactions so I am reasking... |
| 13:03:03 | Groucho | I can not access the lorien kernel trees nor can I access the Familiar unstable anymore. Can someone confirm this ? |
| 15:27:13 | Spork|tor | hi all |
| 15:27:19 | sachac | Hi! |
| 15:27:23 | Spork|tor | i have a quick question |
| 15:27:47 | Spork|tor | will the familiar distribution run standard linux apps? |
| 15:28:05 | Spork|tor | sachac sup |
| 15:28:22 | sachac | Yep, cross-compiled. |
| 15:28:39 | sachac | You can even download .debs from the Debian ARM port and install them. |
| 15:29:00 | Spork|tor | yah but doesnt the debian need 140 mb to install? |
| 15:29:17 | sachac | Spork|tor: Debian base - if you want apt-get and stuff. Start with Familiar. ipkg knows about debs. |
| 15:29:25 | sachac | Spork|tor: Then remove the docs and other things you don't need. |
| 15:29:42 | sachac | Spork|tor: Lots of ipks to play with already, though. =) |
| 15:29:54 | Spork|tor | ipks? |
| 15:29:56 | sachac | Normal X stuff tends to assume a big screen, so much work is being done. |
| 15:30:01 | Spork|tor | ok |
| 15:30:16 | sachac | Spork|tor: ipkg, or ipk - the package format for ipkg... |
| 15:30:23 | Spork|tor | o ok |
| 15:30:37 | Spork|tor | and apt-get? sorry i dont know that one either |
| 15:30:39 | sachac | Spork|tor: Follow the Familiar install instructions, set up PPP, and do an ipkg list or install pikpak. =) |
| 15:30:47 | sachac | (if you have python and X.) |
| 15:30:51 | Spork|tor | ok |
| 15:31:01 | Spork|tor | k thnx |
| 15:31:07 | Spork|tor | i dont have an ipaq tho |
| 15:31:12 | Spork|tor | not yet atleast |
| 15:31:32 | Wooble | another question: GTK on familiar, is it the same version as with default linux distributions |
| 15:31:43 | Wooble | or do thay have a scaled down version? |
| 15:31:54 | Spork|tor | good question |
| 15:33:35 | sachac | Wooble: Some options probably not compiled in. |
| 15:33:36 | Wooble | Spork|tor: and I suppose you don't know the answer either? ;) |
| 15:34:00 | Spork|tor | nope |
| 15:34:06 | Wooble | for as far as I understand, GTK is simply an API... |
| 15:34:16 | sachac | Wooble: Also, IIRC, we don't have GTK 2 yet. |
| 15:34:29 | Spork|tor | 2 more questions: should i get the zarus or the ipaq |
| 15:34:31 | sachac | Wooble: Backed by a widget set and other stuff. |
| 15:34:39 | sachac | Spork|tor: Whatever works for you. |
| 15:35:01 | Spork|tor | which would u suggest/ |
| 15:35:43 | Wooble | Spork|tor: zaurus has already a nice linux running on it |
| 15:35:51 | Spork|tor | yah i know |
| 15:35:54 | Wooble | Spork|tor: why spoil a working entity? |
| 15:36:03 | Spork|tor | but i heard it wont install linux apps |
| 15:36:14 | Spork|tor | i wouldnt install familiar if i got the zarus |
| 15:38:31 | Wooble | Spork|tor: i wouldn't do it either, but hey, that's a personal opinion... |
| 15:40:29 | Wooble | sachac: anyhow, i'm just starting to write my first GTK programs, so I'll see what familar likes/dislikes :) |
| 15:41:03 | sachac | Wooble: =) You're free to use PyGTK, as many apps tend to... |
| 15:41:44 | Wooble | sachac: sounds like python |
| 15:41:52 | Wooble | sachac: i do _not_ use python |
| 15:42:29 | Wooble | sachac: I've a personal aversion of everything around that language... |
| 15:44:00 | sachac | All right then. =) C is good, too. |
| 17:27:34 | Fendor | is away: Tennis |
| 17:39:41 | boodle | cmarqu: heya, are you around? |
| 17:39:44 | boodle | cmarqu: storm ? |
| 17:44:02 | boodle | dc_: Heya, got a sec (storm ?) |
| 17:44:12 | dc_ | boodle: I've always a sec :D |
| 17:44:22 | dc_ | boodle: nice to see ya again :] |
| 17:44:57 | boodle | dc_: :) silly ? actually.. what's a good program to sync storm's data with (apart from e-mails)? |
| 17:45:25 | dc_ | boodle: a very good question. |
| 17:45:38 | dc_ | boodle: syncing with what desktop program? |
| 17:45:59 | boodle | dc_: exactly.. what desktop pgm can it sync with |
| 17:46:36 | boodle | dc_: I'm not picky ;) just looking for something to use on desktop to easily enter stuff then 'sync' to ipaq for reference (shopping lists, contacts ;) |
| 17:47:28 | dc_ | boodle: well, right now. none :( |
| 17:47:45 | dc_ | boodle: but sometime in the future, probly evolution |
| 17:48:10 | boodle | dc_: ok well will look for it in 1.0 ;) well in the meantime, a feature request.. categories for "todos" |
| 17:48:50 | dc_ | boodle: though, it is already possibe to export Evolution contacts to storm, but it's a bit hacky |
| 17:48:55 | dc_ | adds it to TODO |
| 17:49:32 | boodle | dc_: thank you. I really want to use it over palm and give away my m100.. |
| 17:50:13 | dc_ | :] |
| 17:50:19 | dc_ | boodle: you seen 0.6 soon? |
| 17:50:39 | boodle | dc_ besides it looks waaay cooler :) I see it's in cvs but haven't had a chance to co yet |
| 17:52:40 | dc_ | :) |
| 19:09:24 | Fendor | is back (gone 01:41:50) |
| 21:25:18 | Fendor | is away: Bah |