| 00:31:40 | dieman | wishes lorian.handhelds.org wasn't so slow from here. |
| 00:31:46 | greenman | hi |
| 00:32:29 | gonz | hi ! |
| 00:33:39 | greenman | i'm installing familiar in my iPaq h3600, but i'm having troubles with the xmodem transference... |
| 00:34:20 | greenman | somebody can help me? please |
| 00:35:17 | saraman | wasup |
| 00:35:24 | greenman | hi saraman |
| 00:36:22 | greenman | well, i've installed bootloader, and now i'm in minicom with the boot> prompt. this is perfect... |
| 00:36:48 | saraman | k |
| 00:37:01 | greenman | i'm reading the friendly manual where talk about upload the bootloader via xmodem... |
| 00:37:15 | saraman | can use zmodem too |
| 00:37:19 | saraman | anyway |
| 00:37:42 | greenman | i did it, but happen the same problem... |
| 00:37:47 | greenman | the problem is... |
| 00:37:51 | saraman | y |
| 00:38:05 | greenman | that when i select the bootldr file, this do not upload... |
| 00:39:12 | saraman | if you have boot> prompt then u already have the bootldr installed |
| 00:39:53 | saraman | can u send text to minicom console without any crap on screen |
| 00:40:35 | greenman | yes |
| 00:41:30 | greenman | ok, that was that i was thinking, but, when i write "load bootldr" just say : "ready for xmodem download" |
| 00:41:45 | greenman | and a lot of "." |
| 00:42:14 | gonz | which terminalprogram are you using ? |
| 00:42:19 | greenman | minicom |
| 00:42:26 | saraman | did u select the file u wanted to send |
| 00:42:49 | greenman | maybe this is my fucking problem... |
| 00:43:06 | greenman | where i select the file? (sorry about the stupid question) |
| 00:43:09 | saraman | ctrl-a then o |
| 00:43:29 | saraman | do worry dude, it happend first time |
| 00:43:37 | saraman | don't worry |
| 00:43:39 | gonz | you want ctrl-a-s (like send) |
| 00:43:40 | greenman | thx dude... ;-) |
| 00:43:43 | gonz | then choose xmodem |
| 00:43:49 | greenman | wait... |
| 00:43:50 | gonz | then choose file ;) |
| 00:44:34 | greenman | when i write ctrl-a then o, a new window appear (same that minicom -s). where select the fuc... file? |
| 00:45:10 | greenman | i see a Upload directory and Download Directory.. |
| 00:46:25 | saraman | ctrl-a then press s, like gonz said |
| 00:46:52 | saraman | or ctrl-a z |
| 00:47:58 | greenman | ok. say the same that before : "Sending bootldr_v2_....., 1128 blocks: Give, etc" |
| 00:48:05 | greenman | but nothing more... |
| 00:48:14 | greenman | is still there. |
| 00:49:23 | gonz | perhaps you want to try ymodem instead |
| 00:49:42 | gonz | get back to the boot prompt and do "set ymodem 1" |
| 00:49:53 | gonz | then try again using ymodem as protocol |
| 00:50:26 | gonz | perhapps you need to do it quick ? ymodem has larger timeouts i believe.. |
| 00:50:53 | greenman | ok, i'm tryng with ymodem..but nothing happen :-( |
| 00:51:17 | saraman | did u check file hash after downloading? |
| 00:51:47 | greenman | ymodem says: B0000000000000000 Don t understand... <foo> |
| 00:51:57 | greenman | file hash? |
| 00:52:48 | gonz | saraman: since he seems to have a recent bootloader the bootloader does got checks when updating itself ;) |
| 00:53:07 | gonz | s/got/good/ |
| 00:53:17 | gonz | wonders why there has to be so many keys on the keyboard |
| 00:53:55 | greenman | ymodem says : Too many errors during receive... download error. aborting. |
| 00:54:30 | saraman | did u set no flow control and correct baud and 8n1 |
| 00:54:49 | greenman | yes. i got it. |
| 00:54:59 | saraman | did u unlock flash? |
| 00:55:10 | greenman | yep |
| 00:55:46 | gonz | enough power ? |
| 00:55:58 | greenman | is conected to the power.. :-( |
| 00:56:17 | greenman | Bps/Par/Bits 115200 8N1 |
| 00:56:37 | greenman | there is something that i don't understand |
| 00:57:11 | greenman | if i have the boot> promt, why the "friendly manual" talk about upload a bootldr? |
| 00:57:20 | greenman | s/promt/prompt/ |
| 00:57:48 | saraman | and no flow control |
| 00:57:56 | gonz | you don't need a bootloader if you have one unless you want a newer version i believe... |
| 00:59:50 | Ryback_ | greenman: If you dont have the version the "friendly manual" says, you'll need to upload a new bootldr.. |
| 01:00:43 | greenman | i ave "ARM bootloader v2.18.01" |
| 01:00:51 | greenman | s/ave/have/ |
| 01:00:54 | saraman | i remember having a similar problem when i did mine |
| 01:01:19 | saraman | not sure if i skiped to the next step |
| 01:01:29 | greenman | certainly, i'm seeing my tux intro in my ipaq ;-) |
| 01:01:42 | saraman | trying to remember |
| 01:01:45 | Ryback_ | greenman: if you'll install familiar 0.5.1 then you dont need to upload a new one.. |
| 01:02:11 | greenman | Ryback_: hmmm, maybe this is a good idea...i'm attempting to install 5.0 |
| 01:02:42 | Ryback_ | greenman: 5.0 ? |
| 01:03:30 | gonz | 5.0 ? :O |
| 01:03:36 | gonz | ALL: 5.0 ? ;))) |
| 01:03:44 | gonz | *g* scnr |
| 01:03:53 | greenman | wait, i'm checking... |
| 01:04:35 | greenman | sorry 0.5.0 :-) |
| 01:05:05 | Ryback_ | greenman: 0.5.1 is the latest stable version and you wont need to upload a new bootldr.. |
| 01:05:06 | gonz | perhaps you should really consider 0.5.1 or even 0.5.2pre |
| 01:05:33 | gonz | Ryback_ you are good at short and precice words :) |
| 01:05:45 | greenman | yea, you're right. i'll do that. |
| 01:05:48 | Ryback_ | gonz: thx :) |
| 01:05:57 | greenman | thx dudes |
| 01:08:08 | greenman | i'm downloading 0.5.1 |
| 01:08:13 | greenman | thx very much |
| 01:17:27 | dieman | |
| 01:17:39 | dieman | sorry. |
| 01:17:55 | dieman | anyone here use cisco 352 cards to do rfmon on familiar? |
| 01:19:23 | saraman | dieman: i was trying |
| 01:19:26 | saraman | wasup |
| 01:19:42 | dieman | saraman - i cant seem to get a kernel to give me the same output as x86. |
| 01:19:57 | dieman | like, kismet sees all the packets as packets, even in rfmon mode. |
| 01:20:03 | dieman | and not as beacons... |
| 01:21:31 | dieman | rock |
| 01:21:32 | dieman | actyually |
| 01:21:39 | dieman | tried someone elses kismet binary and it started working. |
| 01:21:51 | saraman | yeah |
| 01:21:57 | saraman | where from |
| 01:22:03 | dieman | the ones on kismetwireless.org are fucked |
| 01:22:10 | dieman | noxs.org/tuxaid/ipaq/wavelan/kismet |
| 01:24:55 | saraman | what else did u need to do to get kismet working? |
| 01:40:08 | dieman | hcsahdlajdklajdlkasjdklasjdlkashjdlasj |
| 01:40:12 | dieman | sorry. |
| 01:49:52 | dis | anyone here running 5.2pre1 on the 3870 and have a working copy of storm installed? |
| 02:14:51 | Phrot | nope sorry hey dis, what GUI are you running ? |
| 02:15:23 | Phrot | and how did you install familiar |
| 02:16:19 | Phrot | I am asking because I am trying to get familiar proxey setup so I can do the update to get all the packages for the gui up and running. |
| 02:16:48 | greenman | hi. me again. |
| 02:16:55 | Phrot | I am using a ipaq 3835 |
| 02:17:01 | Phrot | hey greenamd |
| 02:17:06 | Phrot | greenman |
| 02:17:20 | greenman | hi Phrot |
| 02:17:22 | Phrot | opps whats up |
| 02:18:20 | Phrot | has any one used win XP to install linux on the iPAQ and go it to connect to the internet |
| 02:19:28 | Phrot | ?? |
| 02:23:12 | Phrot | hello |
| 02:30:19 | greenman | i'm in troubles again. i already install de bootloader (i'm looking my tux at the screen ;-), but when i type "load root" says : "ready for xmodem download" |
| 02:31:40 | greenman | and nothing happen :-/ |
| 02:32:16 | Ryback_ | greenman: It's expecting you to send an image for the root filesystem.. |
| 02:32:47 | greenman | i know, but where i tell where is the image? |
| 02:33:10 | greenman | i'd try with ctrl-a-s and set up xmodem to upload, but nothing happen too. |
| 02:33:22 | Ryback_ | greenman: Read this page carefully http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.5.1/install/H3600/install.html |
| 02:33:46 | greenman | i reading that page :-) |
| 02:33:59 | greenman | i'd follow all the steps, carefully |
| 02:34:05 | Ryback_ | greenman: You dont have a 3800 one, do you? |
| 02:34:14 | greenman | nop. 3600. |
| 02:34:36 | Ryback_ | ok |
| 02:35:03 | greenman | what you have to say to minicom for do the upload? |
| 02:36:58 | Ryback_ | greenman: I think it's ctrl-z u.. not sure.. |
| 02:37:36 | greenman | i'm trying with ctrl-a-s and select xmodem, then the fs image (task-bootnet-2.4.16-rmk1-hh15.jffs2), but don't upload nothing... |
| 02:38:35 | greenman | nop. |
| 02:39:21 | Ryback_ | greenman: You have to set minicom to 115200 8N1 and no flow control. Did you set this? |
| 02:40:30 | greenman | yep. |
| 02:41:19 | Phrot | hey has anyone got linux install with a win XP machine and managed to get ppp to work through a serial ? |
| 02:41:31 | Phrot | linux installed |
| 02:42:04 | Ryback_ | greenman: weird.. |
| 02:43:02 | greenman | Ryback_: i know... |
| 02:43:36 | Ryback_ | greenman: You have to execute "load root" before you start to send the image from minicom. |
| 02:44:17 | greenman | my question is: may i have that to configure something in minicom to say where is the file to upload? |
| 02:49:55 | Ryback_ | greenman: When you press ctrl-a-s and choose xmodem, appears a window where you can find the file.. |
| 02:51:47 | greenman | yes, and there i select the image to upload, then enter, but nothing happen... just say : "Sending task-bootnet.... Give your local XMODEM receive command now." |
| 02:53:03 | greenman | after a time (althought a minute) say : "Xmodem sectors/kbyte sent: 0/ 0kRetry 0: Got fe for sector ACK" |
| 02:53:24 | Ryback_ | greenman: Try "load root" after you start sending the image.. (but this is strange) |
| 02:54:03 | greenman | and later : "Retry 0: Got 08 for sector ACK" |
| 02:54:14 | greenman | and again, and again, etc |
| 02:55:01 | greenman | Ryback_: The image is never sent...this is the problem.. |
| 02:55:38 | greenman | and when i write "load root" says "ready for xmodem download" |
| 02:55:57 | Ryback_ | greenman: Your serial cable is broken or you're sending through the wrong serial port.. |
| 02:56:48 | greenman | Ryback_: but, how is possible if i have my serial cable broken, that i have boot> prompt? |
| 02:58:28 | Ryback_ | greenman: Well, good question.. stupid thing what I just said.. :) |
| 02:58:59 | greenman | Ryback_ : :-) |
| 02:59:12 | Ryback_ | greenman: All went fine with me.. really weird.. |
| 02:59:24 | greenman | i think that the PEBKAC :-) |
| 02:59:52 | Ryback_ | greenman: PEBKAC? |
| 03:00:13 | greenman | Ryback_: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair :-) |
| 03:00:34 | Ryback_ | greenman: Maybe.. :) |
| 03:00:40 | Phrot | lol |
| 03:01:11 | greenman | Ryback_: What you do to upload an image? |
| 03:01:46 | greenman | i'm using minicom and xmodem protocol to upload... |
| 03:02:02 | greenman | what i could be wrong? |
| 03:02:30 | greenman | the Friendly Manual talk about upload a file, but never say how... |
| 03:03:22 | greenman | Phrot: lol? |
| 03:03:59 | Phrot | PEBKAC |
| 03:04:13 | greenman | Phrot: ? |
| 03:04:41 | Phrot | I can not even get minicom to work on mine I am stuck in a windows world |
| 03:04:58 | greenman | i'm sorry :-) |
| 03:05:32 | Phrot | me too |
| 03:05:57 | Ryback_ | greenman: I did what you're doing.. Are you sure you have minicom configured to 115200 8N1 and no flow control? |
| 03:06:12 | Phrot | I even tried to update minicom to the new version |
| 03:06:50 | greenman | Ryback_: i guess yes because i've interaction with the boot, but i'll check again... wait. |
| 03:08:16 | greenman | Ryback_: i'm sure now. i've minicom to 115200 8N1 and No flow control... :-/ |
| 03:08:44 | greenman | s/No flow/HW Flow Control = No/ |
| 03:15:52 | Ryback_ | greenman: I guess software flow control is supposed to be "No" too.. |
| 03:16:02 | greenman | yep. |
| 03:17:54 | greenman | :-( |
| 03:18:41 | Phrot | now erasing sector I am about to have a V0.5.1 installed and running |
| 03:20:44 | greenman | Ryback_: Do you know another software to upload (like minicom)? |
| 03:20:50 | Ryback_ | greenman: Sorry.. I cant figure out what you're doing wrong.. |
| 03:21:07 | Ryback_ | greenman: Yes.. You can try Hyperterminal on Windows.. |
| 03:21:35 | Phrot | now booting linux |
| 03:22:17 | greenman | i don't have a windows near to me :-/ |
| 03:27:26 | greenman | Ryback_: could be my linux? |
| 03:28:15 | Ryback_ | greenman: Only if your image has zero length.. |
| 03:29:31 | greenman | Ryback_:ok |
| 03:31:20 | greenman | :-( |
| 03:32:36 | Phrot | ok Iam back |
| 03:32:51 | Ryback_ | greenman: Sorry.. I have no idea.. |
| 03:33:41 | greenman | Ryback_: Ok. THX very much for your time... |
| 03:34:02 | Ryback_ | greenman: Keep trying.. :) |
| 03:34:09 | Phrot | Greenman what version of minicom are you using ? |
| 03:35:36 | Phrot | hello |
| 03:35:37 | greenman | minicom-1.83.1-16 |
| 03:35:48 | greenman | Red Hat 7.2 with all the updates. |
| 03:36:09 | Phrot | ok I am using the same version and having problems too, I was told to update and that should fix it |
| 03:37:13 | Phrot | excuse me I am sorry I am using 1.81.1 sorry looks like you are more up to date |
| 03:37:45 | Phrot | are you able to get your terminal (minicom) to show boot> |
| 03:37:47 | Phrot | ?? |
| 03:38:08 | greenman | yes |
| 03:38:23 | greenman | i'm in the boot> prompt, but i cant upload any file... |
| 03:38:40 | Phrot | right I know I remember |
| 03:39:02 | Phrot | mine I have to do an alt s |
| 03:39:21 | Phrot | choose xmodem |
| 03:39:30 | Phrot | and then look for the file |
| 03:39:55 | Phrot | are you able to locate the file ?? |
| 03:40:39 | greenman | yes, and i select the file, but when i press enter to upload, nothing happen... |
| 03:43:30 | Phrot | see mine I have to hit the goto and then goto the directory and then goto agaon and then type in the full name of the file task-bootserial.jffs2 |
| 03:44:03 | Phrot | this is what starts it for me ? |
| 03:46:28 | greenman | i can select the file...but don't upload. |
| 03:47:14 | greenman | just say : Sending <file> : Give your local XMODEM receive commando now. |
| 03:48:07 | greenman | how can i say to the bootldr that begins the upload if i have the minicom busy with the xmodem? |
| 03:48:17 | greenman | :-/ |
| 03:49:38 | Phrot | you dont |
| 03:49:44 | greenman | so? |
| 03:50:19 | a7r- | re.. |
| 03:50:29 | Phrot | you just have to take it back to the boot> prompt and then type load root then select your file again |
| 03:50:50 | Phrot | my problem is that I can not get any thing to echo back on my emulater |
| 03:51:45 | greenman | the problem is that xmodem's upload window, never unlock the screen...and never can write "load root" |
| 03:52:44 | Phrot | have you tried to do a zmodemn |
| 03:53:05 | greenman | yep. and ymodem too :-) |
| 03:54:00 | Phrot | your not supposed to |
| 03:54:34 | Phrot | the way I do it is at the boot> type load root |
| 03:54:38 | Phrot | then |
| 03:54:58 | Phrot | alt s to transfer files and select the file |
| 03:55:17 | Phrot | then do the goto type the full file name and hit enter |
| 03:55:49 | greenman | EUREKA! |
| 03:56:03 | Phrot | ?? |
| 03:56:04 | greenman | it worked! |
| 03:56:08 | greenman | thx man! |
| 03:56:09 | Phrot | lol |
| 03:56:13 | Phrot | np |
| 03:56:42 | Phrot | lol now do you think you could help me to get my screen to echo back boot> |
| 03:56:50 | Phrot | in minicom |
| 04:02:27 | Ryback_ | Phrot: I already said that to him, but I think he didnt understand.. :) |
| 04:03:39 | Phrot | lol I know its ok |
| 04:03:50 | Phrot | hey can I ask you something |
| 04:04:54 | Phrot | do you know what type of interface these use to connect ? |
| 04:08:52 | Phrot | anyone know how to start ppp |
| 09:52:14 | Wooble | question: I have installed 2.4.18-rmk3 on my H3630, installed bluez-2.0 on it, etc... |
| 09:52:42 | Wooble | I do have a AnyCom bluetooth PC card, but I can't bring its interface up |
| 09:53:08 | Wooble | when I do the same on my laptop (RH Linux, 2.4.9-31 with bluez-2.0), it does work... |
| 09:53:25 | Wooble | can anyone give me a clue where to start searching? |
| 09:53:38 | Wooble | Socket 1: |
| 09:53:38 | Wooble | product info: "BlueCard", "LSE041" |
| 09:53:38 | Wooble | manfid: 0x0264, 0x0004 |
| 09:53:38 | Wooble | function: 6 (network) |
| 11:37:00 | hk_ | which package of fimiliar 0.5.1 contains the "ps" tool? |
| 12:11:32 | Wooble | hk_: psmisc maybe? |
| 12:49:24 | syco | hi all |
| 12:50:41 | syco | does someone use usbnet with à 2.4.x kernel? I've tryed 2.4.18 (in wich it is broken) and 2.4.19-pre7 also doesn't seem to work |
| 12:51:21 | syco | i can load the module, but there is no usb0 in /proc/net/dev |
| 12:55:30 | Wooble | syco: jep |
| 12:55:59 | Wooble | syco: i was running the 2.4.16-rmkx... and it worked without any problem |
| 12:56:34 | syco | ooch ... |
| 12:56:50 | syco | wich pre version do you use ? |
| 12:57:03 | Wooble | syco: nono, .16 |
| 12:57:07 | Wooble | no recent kernel |
| 12:57:10 | syco | oops ok |
| 12:57:18 | syco | i'll try that |
| 12:57:20 | Wooble | it was the default kernel a couple of months ago... |
| 12:57:26 | syco | thanks a lot |
| 12:58:03 | Wooble | syco: I do remember vaguely, that the howto was not completely correct (on WiKi that is) |
| 12:58:27 | Wooble | syco: but I do not remember any more what exactly I had to change. |
| 12:58:38 | syco | hmmm ... ok ... i'll try :) |
| 12:58:42 | syco | thanks :) |
| 12:58:43 | Wooble | goog luck |
| 13:06:52 | Merlin83b | The web page says Familiar 0.6 was scheduled for April, yet 0.5.2pre1, released a month ago is the latest - any update? |
| 13:12:53 | Wooble | Merlin83b: it will take some time before the 0.6 will be released |
| 13:13:24 | Wooble | Merlin83b: I suggest to wait a week or so, and start with the by then newly released 0.5.2 |
| 13:13:57 | Wooble | Merlin83b: are you searching for certain features, not present in the 0.5.1/2? |
| 13:23:47 | Merlin83b | Not really, just wondering why the page is a bit out of date. |
| 13:24:01 | Merlin83b | I'm waiting for a serial cable to arrive, so I can't do it just yet anyway. |
| 13:24:58 | Wooble | Merlin83b: it happens more, that a project is running behind of a schedule, plannend a year ago or so... |
| 13:25:40 | Wooble | Merlin83b: once the 0.5.2 is released, the pages probably will be updated... |
| 13:26:26 | Merlin83b | Cool. |
| 13:26:44 | Merlin83b | I reckon it'll be 0.5.2 by the time the cable arrives anyway. |
| 13:27:04 | syco | hehe i justa got mine yesterday :) |
| 13:33:13 | Merlin83b | Mine should ship today |
| 13:33:51 | Wooble | *should* :) |
| 13:38:45 | Merlin83b | Yeah. Might drop the company an e-mail... |
| 14:56:17 | satgio | hi |
| 14:56:26 | sgodsell_nb | Hello satgio |
| 14:59:49 | satgio | hmm |
| 14:59:55 | satgio | i've an error with ipkg |
| 15:00:03 | satgio | when i install a package |
| 15:00:30 | satgio | ipkg install libc6_2.2.3-1_arm.ipk |
| 15:00:30 | satgio | ipkg_install_file: ERROR: File not found |
| 15:00:51 | satgio | what is the ipkg_install_file ? |
| 15:13:23 | Merlin83b | libc6_2.2.3-1_arm.ipk at a guess. Try specifying the path (complete guess) |
| 15:17:16 | satgio | hmm ok i'll try |
| 18:30:20 | Phrot | hello anybody good with hacking ppp |
| 19:00:18 | DragonEagle | gets an axe |
| 19:00:26 | DragonEagle | that's about the only way I can hack it :) |
| 19:01:31 | dc_ | DragonEagle: :} |
| 19:08:10 | Phrot | dc dragoneagle, do you know what interface familiar sets up to network? lo ?? |
| 19:09:02 | Phrot | I am thinking part of the reason that I can not connect is because I dont have an interface up and running |
| 19:09:18 | DragonEagle | Phrot: do you want ppp or usbnet? |
| 19:09:26 | Phrot | ppp |
| 19:10:09 | DragonEagle | I've gotten it to work once, so long ago that I can't remember how I did it...did you check the wiki? |
| 19:10:42 | Phrot | yeah well Dragon what do you use now ? |
| 19:10:47 | DragonEagle | usbnet |
| 19:10:50 | Phrot | usbnet |
| 19:10:55 | Phrot | ahh ok |
| 19:11:06 | Phrot | what ipaq are you using ? |
| 19:11:36 | DragonEagle | a 3650 that I've had about a year...put it throught hell and back |
| 19:12:01 | Phrot | lol I am putting my 3835 through hell now |
| 19:12:23 | Phrot | kewl hey where can I get instruction to set up usbnet |
| 19:12:50 | | usbnet is at http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/How%20do%20I%20setup%20USB%20networking or and usbnet in 2.4.18 (desktop) is broken, you want to use > 2.4.19-pre2 |
| 19:12:50 | DragonEagle | ibot usbnet |
| 19:13:22 | | :-P |
| 19:13:22 | DragonEagle | ibot botcookie |
| 19:14:01 | Phrot | ok kewl do know if this will work on a 3835 ? |
| 19:15:48 | Phrot | actully I should ask, do you know if this willl work with a winXP machine and the 3835 |
| 19:16:09 | DragonEagle | according to jamey it will work on the ipaq |
| 19:16:14 | DragonEagle | hands Phroot his 9mm |
| 19:16:19 | DragonEagle | here fix that xp macine :) |
| 19:17:09 | DragonEagle | I don't believe usbnet works across platforms like that, but I've been out of the loop for a few months, try asking on #handhelds.org |
| 19:17:37 | cmarqu | Phrot: bahia.com has usbnet drivers for 'doze |
| 19:19:23 | cmarqu | http://www.bahia21.com/download.htm |
| 19:19:33 | Phrot | kewl thank you |
| 19:19:48 | cmarqu | Not sure if it actually works... |
| 19:25:56 | Phrot | hrmm na |
| 19:30:00 | Phrot | hey dragon eagle nice screenshots |
| 19:41:23 | DragonEagle | Phrot: ? |
| 19:47:27 | Phrot | I saw you post of screenshots |
| 19:50:36 | DragonEagle | the ones on my server? which link? |
| 19:50:43 | DragonEagle | alot of that is old :) |
| 20:17:46 | mchang | re all |
| 22:48:26 | dis | hey anyone here running 5.2pre1 on a 3800? |