| 00:57:41 | Playdough | hi all |
| 01:04:19 | Playdough | any one here? |
| 01:06:18 | Playdough | Im looking at installing Familiar on my IPAQ is there anything I should do/kow? |
| 12:39:56 | aki | my ipaq just powered off and refuses to power on, load battery or do anything else. it's a 3650 running familiar 0.5.2 pre something. has something like this happened to others? |
| 12:40:22 | aki | seems a lot like a hardware flaw, but thought i'd ask. |
| 12:45:47 | Kero | Not even when on external power? |
| 12:46:08 | Cord | aki: reset through the hidden switch? |
| 12:46:37 | aki | not even in external power, and the reset doesn't seem to work |
| 12:46:48 | aki | whops, s/3650/3850/ =) |
| 12:49:50 | Kero | heard of older kernels not allowing to charge battery, but still working on external power for some newer models (like 3850) |
| 12:52:21 | aki | on this one charging and led worked when plugged on external power and powered on. |
| 12:52:41 | alef | can anyone please help me ? |
| 12:52:53 | alef | i can't seem to connect to my ipaq from my linux notebook |
| 12:53:09 | alef | i do a pppd call ipaq and it just terminates everytime |
| 12:53:19 | alef | i set everything ok up |
| 12:53:33 | alef | i just upgraded to new bootloader and want to install new |
| 12:53:34 | alef | familiar |
| 12:54:17 | aki | does the pppd error log say why it disconnects? |
| 12:54:25 | alef | on my notebook |
| 12:54:33 | alef | it just says that connection is terminated |
| 12:54:49 | alef | connects fine, then terminates/hangsup |
| 12:55:27 | alef | i don't have a pppd error log i think |
| 12:55:31 | alef | i just look in messages |
| 12:56:19 | alef | i messages it says |
| 12:56:25 | alef | expect (ogin:) |
| 12:56:37 | alef | alarm |
| 12:56:44 | alef | send (^M) |
| 12:56:54 | alef | expect (ogin:) |
| 12:56:56 | alef | ^M |
| 12:57:01 | alef | familiar login: |
| 12:57:03 | alef | -- got it |
| 12:57:09 | alef | send (ppp^M) |
| 12:57:15 | alef | Serial connection established |
| 12:57:21 | alef | etc etc |
| 12:57:26 | alef | Modem hangup |
| 12:57:30 | alef | Connection terminated |
| 12:57:32 | alef | Exit. |
| 12:57:35 | alef | that's it |
| 12:58:53 | alef | any idea's ? |
| 13:00:34 | aki | i'd try enabling pppd:s debug option and reading what exactly is going on. |
| 13:00:46 | alef | hmm |
| 13:00:47 | alef | k |
| 13:00:48 | alef | thanks |
| 13:04:16 | Kero | he's gone. Could be missing "local" option in ppp config. |
| 13:05:13 | Kero | aki: so it worked in the past, but works no longer? |
| 13:05:29 | Kero | on main power, I mean? |
| 13:05:38 | Kero | No kernel upgrades in between? |
| 13:05:52 | Kero | hm, also gone... |
| 13:49:43 | alef | hi |
| 13:49:54 | alef | i keep getting LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 13:49:59 | alef | Connection terminated |
| 13:50:08 | alef | Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean: |
| 13:50:14 | alef | Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0 |
| 13:51:28 | Kero | alef: Could be missing "local" option in ppp config. |
| 13:52:09 | Kero | in /etc/ppp/options, that is. |
| 13:52:10 | alef | on ipaq side or notebook side ? |
| 13:52:29 | Kero | alef: both, I think. ipaq, definitely, notebook maybe. |
| 13:52:31 | alef | on my notebook side there is only lock in options |
| 13:53:03 | alef | yes there is no local |
| 13:53:16 | alef | but on the website it doesn't specify that either.. |
| 13:53:46 | Kero | alef: then it may be useful to add a few more to notebook side, too. Like nocrtscts, 115200. |
| 13:54:01 | alef | i had it once configured with old installation |
| 13:54:08 | Kero | The "local" on iPAQ side became necessary when the kernel was fixed. |
| 13:54:12 | alef | so i assume i didn't have to change anything on notebook side |
| 13:54:14 | alef | ah |
| 13:54:15 | Kero | Which page is it missing, Wiki? |
| 13:54:24 | alef | i am looking at wiki yes |
| 13:55:29 | alef | apart from that |
| 13:55:38 | alef | the expect script is really mm unstable ? |
| 13:55:46 | alef | it sees alot of ^M |
| 13:55:54 | alef | dunno why |
| 13:56:14 | alef | YES |
| 13:56:19 | alef | got-it |
| 13:56:24 | alef | the local thingie did it |
| 13:56:30 | alef | what is it for anyway ? |
| 13:57:48 | Kero | Checking some hardware lines in the RS232 plug. |
| 13:57:48 | Kero | local forces no-check. |
| 13:57:48 | Kero | Since hardware flow and such do not work. |
| 13:57:48 | Cord | i found that reinstalling the ppp-package removes the +s and then it also fails. |
| 13:57:48 | Kero | Cord: woops... |
| 13:57:57 | Kero | Cord: prolly /dev/ttySA0 has wrong permissions? |
| 13:58:10 | Cord | crw------- 1 ppp tty 204, 5 May 9 10:15 /dev/ttySA0 |
| 13:58:15 | Kero | with devfs it is created at every reboot, I guess. |
| 13:58:41 | Kero | looks fine, though group-rw might be added. |
| 13:58:56 | Kero | what about pppd? |
| 13:59:09 | Cord | -rwsr-sr-x 1 root root 179860 May 9 08:24 /usr/sbin/pppd |
| 13:59:25 | Cord | (now) |
| 13:59:52 | Cord | after installing it is -rwxr-xr-x |
| 14:00:12 | Cord | and i can see ppps-ascii-art but the icp-things fail. |
| 14:00:52 | Kero | Mine has no group-s, but works. On root-root /dev/ttySA0 |
| 14:01:19 | Cord | Kero: yes. i thing the group s is not needed... i just made chmod +s to make it work :-) |
| 14:01:34 | Cord | think. |
| 14:01:49 | Cord | <--- should work more on his english ;-) |
| 14:02:35 | alef | hmm |
| 14:02:39 | Kero | okay. So that solved the ICP stuff? |
| 14:02:44 | alef | what is the correct way to setup sshd ? |
| 14:02:47 | alef | i get dsa error |
| 14:02:49 | Kero | or all after the chat-script? |
| 14:02:58 | | ssh-keygen is something you need to run to setup my ipaq's host keys. To do this run the following on my ipaq:'/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ""' and '/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -d -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N ""' |
| 14:02:58 | Kero | ibot, ssh-keygen |
| 14:03:01 | alef | i did ssh-keygen -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N '' |
| 14:03:12 | Kero | But that should be ran on installation of ssh |
| 14:03:47 | Cord | i think it runs through ipkg pending(?) |
| 14:03:53 | Kero | kick the key out of .ssh/somefile on your PC. It may compare with an old version? |
| 14:04:13 | Kero | Cord: pending installs ssh, yes :) |
| 14:04:49 | alef | does the DSA generation always take that long ? |
| 14:05:03 | Cord | alef: it takes its time. yes. |
| 14:05:11 | alef | ah done |
| 14:05:24 | alef | thanks people |
| 14:11:31 | alef | ehm |
| 14:11:38 | alef | guys/girls ? |
| 14:11:45 | alef | i get upon ssh connection |
| 14:12:00 | alef | Packet integrity error. (34)). |
| 14:12:18 | alef | it says warning: Remote server talks SSH-1.5 protocol |
| 14:12:28 | alef | then it disconnects with that message |
| 14:12:32 | Cord | you must use ssh v2 |
| 14:12:40 | alef | oh |
| 14:12:51 | Cord | try ssh -1 |
| 14:13:06 | alef | is that a 1 ? |
| 14:13:09 | alef | or a L |
| 14:13:16 | Cord | a one |
| 14:13:58 | alef | doesn't work |
| 14:14:07 | alef | i do ssh -1 root@tinkerbell |
| 14:14:12 | alef | comes right back with help |
| 14:14:26 | Cord | hmm. ssh -v? |
| 14:14:43 | Cord | # ssh -V |
| 14:14:43 | Cord | OpenSSH_3.0.2p1 Debian 1:3.0.2p1-9, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090603f |
| 14:15:24 | alef | ssh: SSH Secure Shell 3.0.1 (non-commercial version) on i6860pc-linux-gnu |
| 14:15:58 | Cord | hmmm... dunno how you force that to use ssh V1 |
| 14:16:03 | alef | same |
| 14:16:06 | alef | the -1 option |
| 14:16:12 | alef | but it doesn't seem to accept it |
| 14:16:14 | alef | weird |
| 14:16:21 | alef | i do a ssh2 -1 root@tinkerbell |
| 14:16:27 | alef | comes right back with help |
| 14:16:30 | Kero | you need ssh protocol 2 |
| 14:16:33 | alef | like it doesn't do anything |
| 14:16:41 | Kero | sh 3.0 knows both protocol 1 and 2 |
| 14:16:42 | Cord | ssh2 should do without the -1 |
| 14:16:46 | alef | hence the ssh2 |
| 14:16:57 | Cord | maybe you havven't a host_key for v2 on the ipaq? |
| 14:17:10 | alef | Cord: could be i dunno |
| 14:17:14 | Kero | ipaq-ssh is the one that requires v2 |
| 14:17:25 | alef | i just installed it so |
| 14:17:33 | Cord | OpenSSH_3.1p1, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090603f |
| 14:17:43 | Cord | that one should also be able to use v1 |
| 14:17:54 | Cord | (thats the one on my ipaq ;-) |
| 14:18:06 | alef | aha |
| 14:18:10 | alef | ssh links to ssh2 |
| 14:18:12 | alef | sneaky |
| 14:18:14 | alef | sneaky |
| 14:18:18 | alef | grr |
| 14:18:21 | Cord | :-) |
| 14:19:56 | alef | is there a default pw ? |
| 14:20:02 | Cord | 'rootme' |
| 14:20:09 | alef | that's whati thought |
| 14:20:25 | alef | ssh2 -P doesn't work either |
| 14:21:38 | Cord | sorry only openssh here :-) |
| 14:27:01 | alef | but |
| 14:27:09 | alef | for fallback it prolly needs the 1 binary right |
| 14:29:42 | alef | i've gotten ssh-1.2.33 from ftp.ssh.com |
| 14:29:45 | alef | see if that works |
| 14:30:05 | Cord | i wouldn't expect that. |
| 14:30:13 | alef | why not ? |
| 14:30:18 | Cord | ssh1 |
| 14:30:33 | alef | it ssh1 right ? |
| 14:30:41 | Cord | but i'm maybe wrong :-) |
| 14:37:54 | alef | you're wrong ;-) |
| 14:38:05 | Cord | then you'Re lucky :-) |
| 14:38:10 | alef | :-P |
| 14:38:14 | Cord | :-) |
| 14:40:46 | alef | is the root image the familiar distro ? |
| 14:40:53 | alef | or do i need to install all familiar packages |
| 14:40:58 | alef | i want to use opie |
| 14:41:13 | alef | it says i first have to install the base linux distribution |
| 14:41:18 | Cord | alef: then you should get the root-image, and then install the rest from opie. |
| 14:41:29 | alef | right |
| 14:41:33 | alef | it says i first have to install the base linux distribution |
| 14:41:41 | alef | sorry |
| 14:41:46 | Cord | the root-image contains only the things you need to do something. |
| 14:41:46 | alef | double mouseclick ;-) |
| 14:41:49 | alef | right |
| 14:41:58 | alef | lemme see if this works then |
| 14:42:04 | alef | i'll change the feed to ipie |
| 14:42:06 | alef | opie |
| 14:42:24 | Cord | alef: you can have both in your ipkg.conf |
| 14:42:29 | alef | true |
| 14:42:31 | alef | i'll do that |
| 14:42:42 | alef | but maybe for clarity sake i'll just remark one out |
| 14:42:49 | alef | otherwise i'll get a huge list |
| 14:42:52 | alef | right ? |
| 14:43:14 | Cord | yes. not huge if you compare it to the debian-packages ;-) |
| 14:43:19 | alef | hehe |
| 14:43:28 | alef | darn |
| 14:43:29 | alef | no vi |
| 14:43:33 | alef | no editor ? |
| 14:43:36 | alef | have to install that first |
| 14:43:37 | alef | then |
| 14:43:46 | Cord | there should be some task-opie or something packages, which depend on the packages you need. |
| 14:43:52 | Cord | ae should be there. |
| 14:44:11 | Cord | hmm. |
| 14:44:19 | Cord | or not? dunno. |
| 14:44:24 | alef | no ae |
| 14:44:53 | Cord | then i don'T know whts in the current root-image. i installed my ipaq some months ago ;-) |
| 14:45:16 | Cord | joe? |
| 14:45:25 | alef | no joe |
| 14:46:16 | Cord | ipkg status |grep ^Pack |
| 14:46:19 | alef | hmm lookup doesnt work |
| 14:46:26 | alef | nsswitch is set right |
| 14:46:26 | Cord | shows you the packages which are installed now. |
| 14:46:29 | alef | i can ping gateway |
| 14:46:40 | Cord | /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 14:46:50 | alef | one nameserver ip there |
| 14:46:58 | Cord | netstat -rn ? |
| 14:47:01 | alef | maybe search and domain ? |
| 14:47:03 | Cord | no default-route? |
| 14:47:07 | alef | route is to notebook |
| 14:47:13 | alef | i can ping gateway so that's ok |
| 14:47:32 | Cord | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 14:47:32 | Cord | 10.42.42.1 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 40 0 0 ppp0 |
| 14:47:32 | Cord | 0.0.0.0 10.42.42.1 0.0.0.0 UG 40 0 0 ppp0 |
| 14:47:43 | alef | got it |
| 14:47:52 | alef | forgot the "nameserver" front of ip ;-) |
| 14:47:58 | Cord | ah. |
| 14:48:17 | alef | wow |
| 14:48:23 | alef | this list got a lot bigger since last time |
| 14:48:25 | alef | heh |
| 14:52:28 | alef | ill give vim ago |
| 14:52:33 | alef | curses! |
| 14:52:34 | alef | argh |
| 15:36:10 | erez | hey |
| 17:02:39 | sistie | Hi! |
| 17:03:07 | sistie | Where can I change the position of the menubar? I want to have it at the top of the screen... ;) |
| 18:37:50 | xkb | hi |
| 18:38:01 | xkb | does familiar support bluetooth CF cards? |