| 00:18:43 | sgodsell | is away: enterprise |
| 00:55:28 | sgodsell | is back (gone 00:36:45) |
| 03:18:55 | sgodsell | is away: Good night |
| 04:30:58 | dryIce | hello |
| 04:31:01 | dryIce | anyone here |
| 04:40:39 | dryIce | anyone know how to change the default X window manager |
| 04:44:30 | cruiserman | anyone got stowaway running with on familiar? |
| 04:46:26 | dryIce | where is .xsession or .xinitrc located |
| 05:11:15 | dryIce | anyone here |
| 06:07:04 | cruiserman | anyone still awake? |
| 06:07:32 | a7r | yeah. |
| 06:07:46 | cruiserman | trying to get stowaway working |
| 06:07:53 | cruiserman | been playing with linuxargs |
| 06:08:03 | cruiserman | per the doc |
| 06:08:09 | cruiserman | but still no luck |
| 06:08:17 | cruiserman | you played with it? |
| 06:08:23 | a7r | yup. |
| 06:08:28 | cruiserman | sweet |
| 06:08:31 | cruiserman | ! |
| 06:08:51 | cruiserman | can i tell you what i did and you tell me where i went wrong? |
| 06:09:06 | a7r | I haven't used it since Familiar v0.3 |
| 06:09:17 | cruiserman | k |
| 06:09:33 | cruiserman | i would think in theory it would be similar |
| 06:09:52 | cruiserman | i cp /etc/rc2.d /etc/rc4.d |
| 06:10:03 | cruiserman | i mean the contents |
| 06:10:48 | cruiserman | then in /etc/inittab changed default runlever to 4 and commented out the getty stuff |
| 06:11:16 | cruiserman | then modprobe h3600_stowaway |
| 06:11:33 | cruiserman | it shows up in lsmod and as a /proc/device |
| 06:11:42 | cruiserman | and /dev/stowaway exists |
| 06:11:56 | cruiserman | but if i cat /dev/stowaway i get device busy |
| 06:12:23 | cruiserman | so i tried removeing "console=/dev/ttySAO" from linuxargs then boot |
| 06:12:50 | cruiserman | but if i recall it kernel-panics |
| 06:12:57 | a7r | hm |
| 06:13:27 | cruiserman | so i reboot and leave the console set to ttySAO |
| 06:13:33 | cruiserman | and back to beginning |
| 06:13:50 | cruiserman | ive tried console=/dev/null |
| 06:13:57 | cruiserman | but that doesnt work either |
| 06:14:09 | a7r | you know, that sounds like a current kernel issue.. what're you running? |
| 06:14:19 | cruiserman | 2.4.18-rmk3 |
| 06:14:28 | cruiserman | this i a fresh install |
| 06:14:39 | cruiserman | my first too! |
| 06:14:47 | cruiserman | just bought it this week |
| 06:15:25 | cruiserman | the doc im referring to is http://handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2002-January/011662.html |
| 06:16:40 | SS|dryice | anyone here' |
| 06:16:44 | a7r | yes. |
| 06:16:57 | SS|dryice | do you know how to change the default window manager |
| 06:17:16 | SS|dryice | i want to try matchbox |
| 06:17:18 | cruiserman | a7r: so do you think i need to downgrade to earlier kernel? |
| 06:17:33 | a7r | cruiserman: nah.. I'm not sure what the deal is. |
| 06:17:40 | cruiserman | k |
| 06:17:46 | a7r | SS|dryice: uninstall blackbox, and install matchbox. |
| 06:18:13 | SS|dryice | ok ill try that |
| 06:18:27 | cruiserman | SS|dryice: there ya go! thats what youve been looking for! |
| 06:18:28 | cruiserman | heh |
| 06:19:02 | cruiserman | a7r: can i ask you a sound driver question |
| 06:19:06 | SS|dryice | do you know what file there is to edit so i can have them both installed but run which one i want |
| 06:19:19 | cruiserman | ipkg install task-mp3-player |
| 06:19:24 | a7r | cruiserman: yeah. |
| 06:19:39 | cruiserman | but when i try to play mp3 i get ... |
| 06:19:57 | SS|dryice | what command are you using for playing |
| 06:22:49 | cruiserman | "Sorry, no appropriate decoders found for this file: music.mp3" |
| 06:23:04 | a7r | that's not a driver issue. |
| 06:23:04 | cruiserman | a7r: btw, the mp3s are on cf and i modprobe vfat then mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda |
| 06:23:18 | a7r | what happens when you just run madplay against them? |
| 06:23:50 | cruiserman | is madplay a command line interface |
| 06:23:52 | cruiserman | ? |
| 06:23:54 | a7r | yes. |
| 06:25:14 | cruiserman | a7r: it works! |
| 06:25:29 | SS|dryice | acutally i like blackbox a lot better |
| 06:25:30 | a7r | cruiseman: cool, so the front-end is busted. |
| 06:25:50 | SS|dryice | its windowmaker almost |
| 06:25:52 | cruiserman | any gui recommendations |
| 06:26:00 | SS|dryice | i saw blackbox |
| 06:26:11 | SS|dryice | /s/saw/say |
| 06:26:41 | cruiserman | SS|dryice: i meant for mp3player |
| 06:27:07 | SS|dryice | oh i dont have one |
| 06:27:17 | SS|dryice | i just use the console right now |
| 06:27:18 | SS|dryice | hehe |
| 06:27:39 | SS|dryice | do you know if i can find chess for my ipaq |
| 06:28:00 | cruiserman | ipkg list | grep chess |
| 06:28:19 | SS|dryice | nope |
| 06:28:34 | SS|dryice | i cant find it anywheres |
| 06:29:33 | cruiserman | well you can always just grab an .ipk from myzaurus.com or elsewhere |
| 06:29:37 | cruiserman | and install |
| 06:30:21 | SS|dryice | im looking for a gui |
| 06:30:27 | SS|dryice | have you found one yet |
| 06:31:11 | cruiserman | gui for what chess? |
| 06:31:21 | SS|dryice | for chess and for mp3 |
| 06:31:26 | SS|dryice | mp3 is what i meant |
| 06:31:42 | cruiserman | nope im just madplay /dir/* |
| 06:31:43 | cruiserman | heh |
| 06:32:10 | SS|dryice | im gonna try screem |
| 06:32:14 | SS|dryice | sream |
| 06:32:19 | SS|dryice | dangit |
| 06:32:22 | SS|dryice | scream |
| 06:33:20 | SS|dryice | well scream wont work |
| 07:53:04 | Morn | is away: doing some productive |
| 09:23:27 | sb98052 | would it be difficult to build the cross-compilation toolchain at handhelds.org from scratch if I want to do it? |
| 09:25:47 | Wooble | sb98052: why would you like to do so? |
| 09:26:19 | sb98052 | Wooble: so that I can package it better and feel more comfortable with it |
| 09:27:27 | sb98052 | Wooble: wouldn't it be as simple as donwloading gcc/glibc and configuring it to cross compile for ARM? |
| 09:28:16 | Wooble | sb98052: probably not |
| 09:28:34 | sb98052 | Wooble: hmm.. what complications then? |
| 09:28:46 | Wooble | sb98052: i'm using a cross-compiler that has been written from scratch by some employees... |
| 09:28:54 | Wooble | sb98052: and they'be had a lot of troubles... |
| 09:29:19 | sb98052 | Wooble: written from scratch?? or built from scratch? |
| 09:29:38 | bostik | somebody here has experinced with ipaq+familiar & bluetooth ??? |
| 09:29:51 | Wooble | sb98052: written i suppose, we've our own hardware paltform... |
| 09:30:12 | Wooble | sb98052: so they HAD to write it from the beginning... |
| 09:31:28 | Wooble | bostik: do you experience some troubles? |
| 09:33:16 | sb98052 | Wooble: I see. but I need to cross-compile for the iPAQ-ARM platform, so I should have it better. right? |
| 09:33:46 | bostik | Wooble: i can't find info on how to make a connection and i can't find theory on what i'm doing |
| 09:34:06 | bostik | Wooble: i succesfully installed my sleve |
| 09:34:46 | bostik | Wooble: i used hciconfig hcitool hcid and estabilished connection between ipaq and cellular phone |
| 09:34:56 | bostik | Wooble: but now ??? |
| 09:35:23 | bostik | Wooble: and another question: what hci stands for ?? |
| 09:37:26 | Wooble | sb98052: there are decent cross-compilers already, I'd think? |
| 09:37:34 | Wooble | sb98052: lots of them actually... |
| 09:38:00 | Wooble | bostik: I don't know the namings either :) |
| 09:38:15 | Wooble | bostik: have you started a PPP session already? |
| 09:38:47 | bostik | Wooble: mh .... ithink i tryed but i doesnt work ... i used rfcommd .. |
| 09:39:29 | Wooble | bostik: are you subscribed to the bluez-mailinglist? |
| 09:39:55 | bostik | Wooble: no but i read some mail ! |
| 09:40:17 | bostik | is there a mail explaining how does it works |
| 09:40:19 | bostik | ?? |
| 09:40:57 | Wooble | bostik: not really |
| 09:41:02 | bostik | mhmhm |
| 09:41:14 | Wooble | bostik: the HOWTO's are quiet unclear |
| 09:41:47 | Wooble | bostik: if I was you, I'd google some stuff, and merge it together |
| 09:42:00 | Wooble | bostik: and once it works, make a "decent" howto :) |
| 09:42:20 | bostik | Wooble: yes ..... once it works :))) |
| 09:42:55 | Wooble | bostik: I've been messing with it for a month or so (in my free time), and it still doesn't work as expected... |
| 09:45:48 | bostik | Wooble: :((( |
| 09:46:23 | bostik | i have a bluetooth sleve only for 2 days (yesterday and today) :(((( |
| 09:49:01 | Wooble | bostik: ahh, I've a unsupported bluetooth card |
| 09:49:27 | Wooble | bostik: still busy with writing a more stable driver... |
| 09:50:15 | Wooble | bostik: for the bluetooth sleeve... there were some HOWTO's on WiKi that you can follow... |
| 10:02:48 | bostik | Wooble: do u think i need ppp package ?? |
| 10:10:26 | Wooble | bostik: you'd check out bluez.sourceforge.net |
| 10:10:51 | Wooble | bostik: they explain in a more or less proper way how things _should_ work |
| 10:11:27 | Wooble | bostik: it's not really an exhaustive explanation, but it's a start... |
| 11:28:03 | Morn | is away: taking a short break |
| 11:28:29 | Morn | is away: watch this space for a revelation |
| 12:54:02 | sb98052 | is there any difference between the skiff toolchain and gcc compiled with HOST=i386 and target=ARM? |
| 13:10:27 | axp | i'm looking for an howto to install stowawy keybord on my ipaq/familiar |
| 13:12:39 | | well, stowaway is the stowaway foldup keyboard from thinkoutside.com, the palm version can be hacked for ipaq use (http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/SER_PALM_KBD/ser_palm_kbd.html) More information on setting up one can be found at http://handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2002-January/011662.html |
| 13:12:39 | jusdisgi | ibot stowaway |
| 13:12:49 | jusdisgi | axp; see that |
| 13:15:49 | axp | say thanx to your bot jusdisgi :) |
| 13:18:23 | | thanks jusdisgi :) |
| 13:18:23 | jusdisgi | ibot botsnack |
| 13:33:08 | kye | hi |
| 13:33:17 | kye | does someone know here where the bootloader params file is stored? |
| 13:33:30 | gonz | /boot/params |
| 13:34:02 | kye | gonz i dont have a /boot/params file |
| 13:34:34 | kye | gonz in familiar 5 it was there i just updated to familiar 5.2 and the file is not there anymore |
| 13:34:43 | gonz | the bootloader uses defaults if none exists |
| 13:35:16 | gonz | you can simply create one with your current params, (show linuxargs or so) and if it works you can change it according to your needs |
| 13:35:25 | kye | gonz ah ok thank you |
| 13:35:38 | kye | bye |
| 13:35:42 | gonz | bye |
| 13:52:15 | axp | sshd package doen't work on install |
| 13:52:18 | axp | how to resolve ? |
| 13:53:30 | gonz | axp: did you generate the keys ? |
| 13:53:47 | | well, ssh-keygen is something you need to run to setup my ipaq's host keys. To do this run the following on my ipaq:'/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -b 1024 -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key -N ""' and '/usr/bin/ssh-keygen -d -f /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key -N ""' |
| 13:53:47 | gonz | ibot: ssh-keygen |
| 13:55:09 | axp | yeps gonz |
| 13:55:49 | gonz | axp: does sshd run ? (ps -eaf|grep sshd) |
| 13:56:29 | axp | nope |
| 13:56:50 | gonz | what does sshd -v say ? |
| 13:57:00 | gonz | umm -d |
| 14:06:18 | axp | done, it runs, |
| 14:07:22 | gonz | fine ;) |
| 14:15:46 | axp | it seems that stowaway-module is in ipkg but i can't find it |
| 14:20:43 | axp | "load the stowaway module (it's in the stowaway-module... ipkg)" sit's not in my ipkg search (sorry i'm still a newbie) |
| 14:21:07 | axp | oups |
| 14:21:09 | axp | sorry |
| 14:21:19 | axp | ipkg list | grep sto, did'nt tryed b4 |
| 14:32:00 | jusdisgi | be back...shower. |
| 14:41:23 | axp | what's the package that includes X server + many apps ? |
| 14:43:17 | Wooble | axp: ipkg list | grep X ? |
| 14:43:27 | Wooble | axp: probaby xserver... |
| 14:44:12 | axp | i already installed matchbox |
| 14:44:17 | axp | X runs but no apps on it |
| 14:44:36 | axp | and i was told there's a window manager kind of gnome/kde with integrated apps |
| 14:44:43 | axp | but don't know what's its name |
| 14:48:48 | kye | re |
| 14:49:08 | kye | gonz are you sure the file is called params ? |
| 14:50:31 | gonz | kye: mompls |
| 14:51:12 | gonz | kye: yep, /boot/params |
| 14:51:15 | gonz | for me it reads |
| 14:51:23 | gonz | set linuxargs=noinitrd root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/linuxrc console=ttySA0 |
| 14:51:52 | kye | gonz mhhh tx i just look |
| 14:52:13 | kye | gonz thats the only line thats in there ? |
| 14:52:20 | gonz | kye: jope |
| 14:53:18 | axp | how can i get list of packages ive installed ? |
| 14:53:31 | gonz | axp: ipkg list ;) |
| 14:53:38 | gonz | nope |
| 14:53:51 | gonz | sorry, "ipkg status | grep ackage: " shgould work |
| 14:53:57 | gonz | ipkg list lists all available ones... |
| 14:54:05 | axp | ok :) |
| 14:54:13 | Wooble | axp: ipkg status |
| 14:54:26 | kye | gonz thanx a lot i had forgotten the set at the beginning |
| 14:54:31 | Wooble | axp: ipkg list defines all available packages on the familiar servers... |
| 14:54:31 | kye | bye |
| 18:34:20 | Morn | is back (gone 07:05:57) |
| 19:02:49 | gonz | i was used to chroot into a nfs-mounted directory to have some debian fun... now it says "chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: No such file or directory" - both, /bin/sh and $chroot/bin/sh exist ... anyone ? |
| 19:59:15 | cruiserman | anyone got stowaway working with current kernel release? |
| 20:17:51 | cruiserman | if it is a kernel issue, can/how would i install older kernel release |
| 20:19:16 | gonz | used the stow not that long ago and uses 2.4.18-rmk3 |
| 20:20:11 | cruiserman | gonz: really |
| 20:20:14 | cruiserman | :) |
| 20:20:37 | gonz | :) |
| 20:20:48 | cruiserman | can is show you what i did and tell me what i did wrong |
| 20:21:00 | gonz | well, there is not much to do wrong |
| 20:21:09 | gonz | a) make sure that /boot/params uses no console |
| 20:21:16 | cruiserman | check |
| 20:21:22 | gonz | b) have the stow modules inserted |
| 20:21:27 | cruiserman | check |
| 20:21:28 | gonz | c) cat /dev/stowaway |
| 20:21:30 | gonz | i check |
| 20:21:33 | cruiserman | not check |
| 20:21:34 | gonz | ;) |
| 20:21:49 | cruiserman | it says device busy |
| 20:21:55 | gonz | ah |
| 20:22:00 | gonz | d) have no getty running |
| 20:22:07 | gonz | try "telinit 4" |
| 20:22:08 | cruiserman | nope commented out |
| 20:22:16 | gonz | hmm... |
| 20:22:28 | gonz | "ps -eaf|grep tty" ? |
| 20:22:55 | cruiserman | well its not up |
| 20:23:02 | cruiserman | give me a few minutes |
| 20:23:05 | cruiserman | brb |
| 20:23:10 | gonz | ok |
| 20:23:17 | cruiserman | need to change linuxargs then boot |
| 20:23:52 | | i think stowaway is the stowaway foldup keyboard from thinkoutside.com, the palm version can be hacked for ipaq use (http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/SER_PALM_KBD/ser_palm_kbd.html) More information on setting up one can be found at http://handhelds.org/pipermail/ipaq/2002-January/011662.html |
| 20:23:52 | gonz | ibot: stowaway |
| 20:24:03 | cruiserman | thats what i followed |
| 20:25:55 | cruiserman | the dump i just sent was my email to that author |
| 20:27:43 | gonz | ok |
| 20:29:46 | gonz | " >vim /proc/devices (and stowaway is 252) " confuses me |
| 20:30:31 | gonz | ok, different question - when you boot, do you see the messages scoll by on the ipaq ? |
| 20:42:54 | dryIce | anyone here use icewm |
| 22:06:38 | kergoth | cworth: Does ipkg update support offline_root? e.g. can i preupdate a ipkg configuration with the info on a certain feed for a jff2 image |