| 00:00:03 | Kero | iPAQ, or both. |
| 00:00:14 | mrimbert | I can't edit files on ipaq - no editor |
| 00:00:39 | Kero | has no local on PC. |
| 00:00:46 | Kero | echo local >> /etc/ppp/options |
| 00:00:59 | mrimbert | but the options file appears to be set up like the PPP Howto suggests |
| 00:01:04 | Kero | though something like vi should be there. ae? |
| 00:01:14 | mrimbert | it's int here |
| 00:01:16 | mrimbert | in there |
| 00:01:20 | mrimbert | no, no vi |
| 00:02:02 | mrimbert | Tried the drivers for USB neworking on windows - none of them work on ME or 2000. |
| 00:02:32 | mrimbert | I may have to go buy a sleeve and a PCMCIA ethernet card just to install! |
| 00:03:11 | Kero | PPP Howto also mentions "local", though not in the example config |
| 00:03:36 | mrimbert | I have local in my options file on the ipaq |
| 00:03:38 | Kero | wouldn't know about ppp over USB cradle... |
| 00:03:55 | Kero | keep the local there. |
| 00:04:17 | mrimbert | Should I transfer files over to the ipaq via xmodem in the terminal emulator? |
| 00:04:23 | mrimbert | and install using ipkg? |
| 00:04:33 | Kero | You can do that. zmodem is faster |
| 00:05:08 | mrimbert | I may have to. Will there be any apps to help set up networking once I intall the rest of the packages? |
| 00:05:22 | mrimbert | Or at least an editor? |
| 00:06:17 | mrimbert | Thanks for your help, by the way. It eases the frustration. |
| 00:06:45 | Kero | sure, shouldbe an editor |
| 00:07:17 | Kero | vim is available |
| 00:07:22 | mrimbert | great |
| 00:07:36 | mrimbert | i'll give that a try. So do you have networking working on yours? |
| 00:08:54 | Kero | ppp works fine |
| 00:09:09 | Kero | has an iPAQ at work with wireless thernet |
| 00:09:15 | mrimbert | Wow |
| 00:09:24 | mrimbert | You're using 0.5.2 |
| 00:09:26 | mrimbert | ? |
| 00:09:32 | Kero | 0.5.1 |
| 00:09:59 | Kero | will try to upgrade this weekend, probably. |
| 00:10:19 | mrimbert | I see. |
| 00:10:23 | Kero | Do you have a serial cradle or a USB cradle? |
| 00:10:34 | mrimbert | It has both. |
| 00:10:54 | Kero | both? cute! |
| 00:10:56 | mrimbert | You have the 3850? |
| 00:11:10 | Kero | 3630 and 3670 :) |
| 00:11:21 | mrimbert | NIce |
| 00:11:40 | Kero | old models, but at least my 3630 has 32 MB of flash :) |
| 00:11:51 | mrimbert | indeed :) |
| 00:12:19 | mrimbert | I was really hoping to get networking over USB working so I could sync with Outlook at work. |
| 00:12:37 | mrimbert | using Intellisync |
| 00:12:53 | mrimbert | I saw some info in the Opie Wiki on how to set it up |
| 00:14:36 | Kero | should learn more about opie. |
| 00:14:48 | Kero | Though I probably will continue hacking in familiar, anyway. |
| 00:14:59 | mrimbert | Oh, you're one of the developers? |
| 00:15:06 | mrimbert | Thanks for your efforts! |
| 00:15:31 | Kero | not really a developer, but I have some bugfixes and some ipkgs on my name :) |
| 00:15:41 | mrimbert | congrats |
| 00:17:35 | Kero | thanks |
| 00:18:52 | mrimbert | Where are you from? |
| 00:19:25 | Kero | netherlands. |
| 00:19:31 | Kero | so it's getting late here :) |
| 00:19:43 | mrimbert | Wow. I'm from New Mexico, USA |
| 00:20:04 | mrimbert | Get some sleep. Thank you very much for your help, friend. |
| 00:20:30 | Kero | np. |
| 00:20:39 | mrimbert | Take care. |
| 00:20:48 | Kero | what are you going to do with your iPAQ (once it's working)? |
| 00:21:03 | mrimbert | I don't really know, actually. |
| 00:21:20 | mrimbert | I just want a linux PDA |
| 00:21:58 | mrimbert | What do you do with yours? |
| 00:26:03 | mrimbert | Well, I'm going to go try things out. Thanks again. |
| 00:26:06 | mrimbert | bye |
| 00:26:14 | mallum | wonders where alterslash.org has gone ... |
| 01:47:38 | VerxHome | anyone alive in here? |
| 02:19:33 | VerxHome | a7r, are you there? |
| 04:41:55 | mrimbert | Hello. Could anyone assist me with a PPP link problem? I've got a PPP link between my iPaq 3850 (Familiar 0.5.2) and by Debian Woody box, but the iPaq can't see beyond the peer connection. |
| 05:56:07 | Playdough | I have an odd one... I just installed familiar on my IPAQ 3835 and my display is upside down... any ideas? |
| 06:11:57 | Playdough | ok, so is anyone at the kb or does no one know? |
| 06:13:26 | Playdough | i just hate talking to my self.... |
| 06:13:52 | Playdough | so while im talking to my self Ill just blabber hoping someone will kick in with something. |
| 06:14:14 | Playdough | I have it all installed and configured that way I want just that the screen is upside down. |
| 06:14:52 | Playdough | I was hoping someone here would know what the config file for X is cause it definitly isnt XF86config.... or at least I cant find it. |
| 14:02:08 | Systemer | Hi |
| 14:02:40 | Systemer | root@segfault:[/home/systemer]# pon ipaq |
| 14:02:40 | Systemer | Serial connection established. |
| 14:02:40 | Systemer | Using interface ppp0 |
| 14:02:40 | Systemer | Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 |
| 14:02:40 | Systemer | LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 14:02:41 | Systemer | Connection terminated. |
| 14:02:43 | Systemer | Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean: |
| 14:02:45 | Systemer | Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0 |
| 14:03:07 | Systemer | Does anybody knows what i have to do now? :) |
| 14:04:47 | Kero | add "local" to /etc/ppp/options |
| 14:05:17 | Systemer | it was... |
| 14:06:47 | Systemer | or on ipaq side? |
| 14:07:57 | Kero | on ipaq side |
| 14:08:27 | Systemer | ok |
| 14:09:46 | Systemer | root@segfault:[/home/systemer]# pon ipaq |
| 14:09:46 | Systemer | Connect script failed |
| 14:10:31 | Systemer | ahh. it worked :p |
| 14:10:57 | Kero | that's the chat-script; make sure that on iPAQ, the /sbin/getty is running (from inittab) |
| 14:11:00 | Kero | ah, good :) |
| 14:12:47 | Kero | When the kernel got fixed, ppp suddenly reuqired this option; there's no hardware flow-control. |
| 14:13:20 | Systemer | i see. |
| 14:33:22 | Serp | afternoon all |
| 14:36:46 | Kero | 'noon |
| 14:40:23 | Systemer | iam reading ip masq. howto for ipaq over proxyarp, where do i have to add ip adresses like it stands in howto? |
| 14:44:17 | Kero | does not knoq about proxyarp. |
| 14:44:31 | Systemer | you used iptables? |
| 14:44:42 | Kero | Using ipchains, I forward averything. |
| 14:45:12 | Systemer | yea, i added iptables support in kernel but now i have to reboot :( |
| 14:46:38 | Kero | if it's not modules, you have to reboot :) |
| 14:47:01 | Systemer | yea :) dont like modules so much... |
| 14:47:47 | Serp | experiences failure |
| 14:48:01 | Serp | yes configure, freetype does exist *fume* |
| 14:49:49 | Serp | I'm having hassle getting a configure script to find some libs I installed in /home/guest/aff9@aber.ac.uk/ (lib/ include/ etc.) Anyone know how to work around this? |
| 14:50:10 | Systemer | brb |
| 14:52:06 | Kero | Serp: specifying LIBS or LDPATH might help. |
| 14:52:19 | Kero | or --with-freetype=where.it.is |
| 14:52:48 | Serp | I have tried exporting LD_LIBRARY_PATH LD_RUN_PATH and using --with-freetype but it still fails |
| 14:53:59 | Serp | and it can't find gtk+ either, which is weird |
| 14:54:30 | Kero | LDFLAGS='-L /home/guest/aff9@aber.ac.uk/lib' ./configure |
| 14:54:42 | Serp | ah ha, it has now found gtk+ |
| 14:55:04 | Serp | right I'll try that, thx |
| 14:57:44 | Serp | that seems to have worked =o) Cheers |
| 15:03:42 | Kero | it's not the nice way to do it, that would be --with-freetype, but it usually works :) |
| 15:06:30 | Serp | the --with-freetype doesn't work, which is strange. I could be using the wrong dir though. I think its this configure script that comes with freeamp though |
| 15:07:10 | Serp | hand editing config.cache gets it to find gtk+, which is even nastier :) |
| 15:21:01 | Kero | *blergh* :( |
| 15:21:12 | Kero | --with-gtk won't work, either? |
| 15:21:26 | Kero | and --with-gdk added to that, may be... |
| 15:21:52 | Kero | doesn't quite like configure, but you can consider yourself lucky you're not cross-compiling :) |
| 15:23:35 | Serp | =o) |
| 15:35:55 | Serp | right food, before I pass out. |
| 15:49:39 | kvn-1 | hmm... what's the best way to upgrade from 0.5.1 to 0.5.2? Can I just modify the ipkg.conf to point at the new release files and do ipkg upgrade ? |
| 16:30:00 | VerxHome | anyone here know how to grab kernel source with debian? (I know how to ftp source - I want to grab the exact source that my kernel was built from) |
| 16:51:55 | Systemer | re |
| 17:44:00 | Systemer | How can i change the default window manager to IceWm? |
| 17:52:14 | Kero | install icewm, if all is done well, the x-window-manager symlink gets updated |
| 17:53:07 | Systemer | hmm its installed but its not updated... |
| 17:59:28 | Kero | you can try uninstalling the other WM's, or set the symlink by hand. |
| 17:59:48 | Systemer | what is the name of the default wm? the enlightenment like one |
| 18:01:26 | Kero | packages should set it with scripts update-something (which does not seem to exist? *confused*) |
| 18:01:31 | Kero | matchbox, ion |
| 18:02:50 | Systemer | thanks |
| 18:03:23 | Systemer | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 18:03:23 | Systemer | /dev/mtdblock/1 16128 12884 3244 80% / |
| 18:03:23 | Systemer | tmpfs 15428 316 15112 3% /mnt/ramfs |
| 18:03:30 | Systemer | is the mtdblock my ROM? |
| 18:03:52 | Kero | yeah, though it is flash |
| 18:04:34 | Systemer | and tmpfs is my RAM? cause there stands 16mb but i have 32! |
| 18:04:49 | Kero | yup, ramfs takes MAX 16 MB |
| 18:05:05 | Kero | it will take less memory, if it is not used |
| 18:05:26 | Kero | (configured as max half of your RAM, I believe) |
| 18:06:26 | Systemer | ahh. ok |
| 18:06:44 | Systemer | and if i install more than 16mb things it will took things to RAM |
| 18:07:50 | Kero | no, since only /tmp and /var use ramfs. |
| 18:08:42 | Systemer | hmm, ok |
| 18:09:20 | Systemer | i want to install opie now, does i have to add this line to ipkg.conf-dist: src opie http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/ |
| 18:09:35 | Kero | never tried opie |
| 18:09:43 | Systemer | What are you using? |
| 18:09:53 | Kero | plain familiar |
| 18:10:01 | Kero | and a handful of my own packages |
| 18:10:06 | Systemer | cause i want QPE... |
| 18:10:12 | Systemer | cool |
| 18:10:41 | Kero | among which my own agenda-progr |
| 18:10:51 | Systemer | :) |
| 18:12:01 | Kero | next will be an address-book, plus I want to connect to my phone to dial from that address-book |
| 18:12:14 | Systemer | hehehe |
| 18:12:41 | Systemer | and is something like a bash avialabel for familiar? |
| 18:16:37 | Kero | But I just ran into a bug in the X server |
| 18:16:47 | Systemer | hm |
| 18:24:45 | Systemer | you know how to add new ipkg sources? |
| 18:24:56 | Systemer | cause adding them in ipkg.conf seems not to be enough |
| 18:25:10 | Kero | did you run 'ipkg update' ? |
| 18:25:38 | Systemer | yes |
| 18:25:47 | Systemer | but iam not sure if i added sources the right way |
| 18:26:02 | Systemer | i just know i had to add http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/ |
| 18:26:38 | Kero | line should be "src opie http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq/" |
| 18:27:23 | Systemer | thanks |
| 18:27:25 | Systemer | works. |
| 18:42:45 | VerxHome | how responsive is the familiar mailing list? |
| 18:42:48 | VerxHome | anyone know? |
| 18:43:53 | VerxHome | hopefully more responsive than the irc channel. . . . . |
| 18:43:57 | Kero | just re-subscribed. Used to be fine. Though weekends are a bit slower, iirc |
| 19:05:47 | Systemer | filesystem full =( |
| 19:06:06 | Systemer | how can i check what packages are installed? |
| 19:08:39 | VerxHome | ipkg status | grep Package |
| 19:08:57 | Systemer | i want to see all packages installed |
| 19:09:57 | VerxHome | that does just what you need |
| 19:10:06 | VerxHome | ipkg status | grep Package |
| 19:11:40 | Systemer | hmm what can i delete what needs much space? |
| 19:11:47 | Systemer | and i dont need, cause i use opie now |
| 19:12:05 | VerxHome | just do a reinstall if that is the case |
| 19:12:12 | VerxHome | very quick and easy to do |
| 19:12:17 | Systemer | hmm |
| 19:12:21 | Systemer | yea? |
| 19:12:24 | VerxHome | yup |
| 19:12:29 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 19:12:37 | VerxHome | I cannot seem to cross compile an arm kernel. . . |
| 19:13:00 | Systemer | howto reinstall quick? |
| 19:15:32 | Systemer | it looks like i cant use opie... it takes too much space |
| 19:16:35 | VerxHome | if you reinstall, you will have plenty of space |
| 19:16:46 | VerxHome | just repeat whatever process you used to install familiar in the first place |
| 19:17:18 | Systemer | hmm, in my opineon 16mb are much to less to use opie |
| 19:18:01 | Systemer | and my iPaq only have 16mb ROM |
| 19:31:46 | VerxHome | I had an ipaq 3650 |
| 19:31:58 | VerxHome | I got word, excel, a 1MB ebook, ebook reader, most basic opie apps |
| 19:32:04 | VerxHome | all on my 3650 with 16MB rom |
| 19:33:13 | Systemer | thats WinCE? |
| 19:33:29 | Systemer | hrmza |
| 19:33:33 | Systemer | i will try to get it |
| 19:51:58 | cmarqu | is away: Movie |
| 20:14:47 | spiralman | if anybody is interested, i made an ipkg of gnuchess... |
| 20:14:53 | spiralman | available on my feed |
| 20:15:09 | spiralman | if somebody wants to put it on a familiar feed, that would be cool |
| 20:16:51 | spiralman | its at http://www.rit.edu/~tfs1812 |
| 20:23:17 | gonz | cool! |
| 20:29:01 | spiralman | gonz: hmm, looks like you are the only one here... |
| 20:29:07 | spiralman | guess ill try later |
| 21:16:12 | wontonjoe | hello |
| 21:17:13 | wontonjoe | im stuck ive got icewm in familiar on my ipaq but thats it how do i network through minicom so i can update the packages or at least zmodem in minicom??? |
| 21:19:29 | wontonjoe | im stuck ive got icewm in familiar on my ipaq but thats it how do i network through minicom so i can update the packages or at least zmodem in minicom??? |
| 21:19:32 | wontonjoe | hello |
| 21:19:35 | wontonjoe | anyone around |
| 21:19:52 | Kero | zmodem should work from minicom without anything extra. |
| 21:20:07 | Kero | lslrz package or a name similar to that provides rz. |
| 21:20:30 | wontonjoe | im new at minicom though how do i use zmodem whats the comand in minicom |
| 21:20:38 | wontonjoe | rz? |
| 21:21:13 | Kero | ^A s |
| 21:21:22 | wontonjoe | ok |
| 21:25:33 | wontonjoe | i cant get caps off when i try to login to fazmiliar help |
| 21:25:51 | wontonjoe | fixed that ok |
| 21:26:17 | wontonjoe | i need to know how to make ipkg instzall all the packages i uploaded to the root directory of my ipaq |
| 21:26:34 | wontonjoe | what is the command behinmd ipkg please help |
| 21:26:40 | wontonjoe | is it d then what |
| 21:27:42 | wontonjoe | hello? |
| 21:36:03 | wontonjoe | i need to know how to make ipkg instzall all the packages i uploaded to the root directory of my ipaq |
| 21:39:52 | Systemer | brb |
| 21:40:48 | wontonjoe | hay systemer |
| 21:44:53 | wontonjoe | i need to know how to make ipkg instzall all the packages i uploaded to the root directory of my ipaq |
| 21:49:10 | gonz | ipkg install *ipk ? |
| 21:51:48 | wontonjoe | ok cool |
| 21:52:06 | wontonjoe | so will i have all the stuff icewm has on my regular desktop |
| 21:52:32 | wontonjoe | cause right now all i see is x server and the icewm desktop no menus or anything |
| 21:53:06 | wontonjoe | oh and how do i transfer files to the ipaq in minicom |
| 21:55:46 | wontonjoe | ls |
| 21:58:09 | wontonjoe | oh and how do i transfer files to the ipaq in minicom |
| 22:19:05 | cmarqu | is back (gone 02:27:07) |
| 22:41:53 | dc_ | yo mallum :D |
| 22:42:00 | mallum | hi dc |