| 15:38:15 | | jg was last seen on #handhelds.org 4 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes and 20 seconds ago, saying: No, the vendor can go out of business, and fail to permit redistribution: that causes it to be impossible for others to pick up and maintain.... [Mon May 20 18:52:55 2002] |
| 15:38:15 | dneuer | ibot: seen jg? |
| 15:38:45 | | I haven't seen '_jg', dneuer |
| 15:38:45 | dneuer | ibot: seen _jg? |
| 15:40:18 | dneuer | is away: I might be lurking... |
| 15:52:04 | dneuer | is back (gone 00:11:47) |
| 15:53:44 | dneuer | is away: I might be lurking... |
| 16:28:36 | | i guess ruby is the OO scripting language from Japan or in feed "http://httpd.chello.nl/k.vangelder/ipaq/feed/" or featuring the best from Perl and SmallTalk |
| 16:28:36 | Kero | ibot, ruby? |
| 16:28:46 | | kero: i don't know |
| 16:28:46 | Kero | ibot, ruby-menu? |
| 16:30:14 | | Kero: huh? |
| 16:30:14 | Kero | ibot, ruby-menu survives screen-rotation |
| 16:30:26 | | OK, Kero. |
| 16:30:26 | Kero | ibot, ruby-menu is surviving screen-rotations |
| 16:30:41 | | okay, Kero. |
| 16:30:41 | Kero | ibot, ruby-menu is also in feed "http://httpd.chello.nl/k.vangelder/ipaq/feed/" |
| 16:30:45 | | i guess ruby-menu is surviving screen-rotations or in feed "http://httpd.chello.nl/k.vangelder/ipaq/feed/" |
| 16:30:45 | Kero | ibot, ruby-menu? |
| 16:37:05 | | Kero: I forgot ruby-menu |
| 16:37:05 | Kero | ibot, forget ruby-menu |
| 16:37:07 | | OK, Kero. |
| 16:37:07 | Kero | ibot, ruby-menu is surviving screen-rotations |
| 16:37:17 | | okay, Kero. |
| 16:37:17 | Kero | ibot, ruby-menu is also in feed "http://httpd.chello.nl/k.vangelder/ipaq/feed/" as package ruby-ipaq |
| 16:37:21 | | ruby-menu is surviving screen-rotations or in feed "http://httpd.chello.nl/k.vangelder/ipaq/feed/" as package ruby-ipaq |
| 16:37:21 | Kero | ibot, ruby-menu? |
| 18:19:37 | VerxHome | anyone alive in here? |
| 18:19:59 | VerxHome | I am trying to figure out the best way to send a complete image of my jffs2 filesystem to another computer without using dd |
| 18:20:26 | gonz | mkfs.jffs on the ipaq itself could do |
| 18:20:41 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 18:20:45 | VerxHome | how would I use that? |
| 18:21:00 | Kero | wouldn't that MAKE a file system, instead of copying it? |
| 18:21:11 | VerxHome | right, that is what I was thinking Kero |
| 18:21:23 | Kero | would download with the bootloader |
| 18:21:30 | VerxHome | hrm |
| 18:21:36 | VerxHome | ok, let me put this another way |
| 18:21:40 | VerxHome | what I ultimately need |
| 18:21:53 | VerxHome | is the filesystem in a tarball or sitting on a computer other than the ipaq |
| 18:22:04 | VerxHome | and I would prefer to do it without having a "raw" image |
| 18:22:15 | VerxHome | since my desktop linux system doesn't have jffs2 support in the kernel |
| 18:22:44 | Kero | well, you can compile jffs2 support into an i386 kernel, afaik |
| 18:22:57 | VerxHome | right |
| 18:23:00 | VerxHome | I just don't wanna |
| 18:23:01 | VerxHome | :( |
| 18:23:18 | Kero | otherwise, scp -r won't let sylinks and other cute stuff survive |
| 18:23:27 | gonz | Kero: yep, but in the end you have a jffs2 |
| 18:23:34 | Kero | Would `tar | nc` suit your needs? |
| 18:23:42 | gonz | it's better than dding or bootload downloading because it has not the full size of flash |
| 18:23:52 | VerxHome | kero: I haven't used nc before - that netcat? |
| 18:23:59 | Kero | yup. |
| 18:24:14 | VerxHome | Kero: Hrm |
| 18:24:29 | VerxHome | perhaps the easier thing WOULD Be to make an image |
| 18:24:30 | VerxHome | :( |
| 18:24:32 | Kero | tar the fs up on iPAQ (while no other program is running), pipe it into netcat, over the net onto your PC. |
| 18:25:49 | VerxHome | Kero, I have busybox tar |
| 18:25:55 | VerxHome | it is somewhat minimal in its options |
| 18:26:03 | gonz | why not use rsync ? this is the perfect option for regular backups |
| 18:26:13 | gonz | i thought you needed jffs2 |
| 18:26:35 | VerxHome | gonz: What I need is to get a complete copy of my jffs2 filesystem onto another computer |
| 18:26:38 | VerxHome | that is what I need |
| 18:27:06 | VerxHome | Kero: Couldn't I open a tunnel with ssh to do that? |
| 18:27:12 | VerxHome | point being I don't have nc, but I do have ssh |
| 18:28:10 | Kero | `tar xvf / | nc pc-ip pc-port` while on your pc, you run `nc -l -p pc-port > ipaq.image` |
| 18:28:13 | Kero | ipkg install nc |
| 18:28:24 | Kero | or scap, if nc is not available in pure form |
| 18:28:39 | gonz | VerxHome: rsync --delete -avruPe ssh / $targetpc:$targetdirectory/ |
| 18:28:41 | VerxHome | well, apt-get couldn't find nc on my desktop |
| 18:28:44 | Kero | That would be tar xvf - / |
| 18:29:12 | VerxHome | Kero: Doesn't xvf end up catching all kinds of things it isn't supposed to |
| 18:29:15 | VerxHome | like /proc ? |
| 18:29:48 | Kero | apt-get install netcat |
| 18:29:49 | gonz | rsync --exclude proc --exclde dev --delete -avruPe ssh / $targetpc:$targetdirectory/ |
| 18:29:50 | gonz | :) |
| 18:30:00 | gonz | s/exclde/exclude/ |
| 18:30:04 | Kero | man tar |
| 18:30:04 | VerxHome | gonz: what is the --delete for? |
| 18:30:08 | Kero | exclude them somehow |
| 18:30:20 | gonz | it deletes files in $targetdirectory which nevermore exist on the ipaq |
| 18:30:27 | Kero | at least tar keep permissions, ownerships, etc, etc |
| 18:30:27 | VerxHome | cuz I don't want to delete anything |
| 18:30:28 | gonz | you can leave it off |
| 18:30:48 | VerxHome | Kero: Right, I want to keep permissions |
| 18:30:51 | gonz | the idea of rsync is that it only copies stuff which hasn't changed |
| 18:30:51 | VerxHome | rsync doesn't do that? |
| 18:30:58 | gonz | rsync does it |
| 18:31:03 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:31:09 | Kero | does not know rsync. man rsync |
| 18:31:11 | gonz | that's the "P" |
| 18:31:17 | gonz | rsync rulez |
| 18:31:24 | gonz | do a backup once (wait) |
| 18:31:30 | gonz | do the second backup and it's done in seconds |
| 18:43:24 | VerxHome | ok, I am gonna try rsync |
| 18:44:48 | VerxHome | gonz |
| 18:44:59 | VerxHome | it looks like the command you gave me is confused |
| 18:45:01 | VerxHome | or else I am |
| 18:45:10 | gonz | have fun ! i use it about every time i used scp before... |
| 18:45:15 | VerxHome | do I run the rsync from the host that is ultimately to store the backup |
| 18:45:20 | VerxHome | or from the machine I am backing up? |
| 18:45:24 | gonz | start it from the ipaq |
| 18:45:32 | VerxHome | ok, that is what I thought |
| 18:45:40 | VerxHome | but it seems to be running the command on the remote machine |
| 18:45:54 | VerxHome | bash: rsync: command not found |
| 18:45:59 | gonz | it forks a rsync instance on the remote machine, then both rsync communicate |
| 18:46:00 | VerxHome | and my ipaq doesn't have bash |
| 18:46:05 | gonz | you need rsync and ssh on both |
| 18:46:06 | VerxHome | and the remote machine doesn't have rsync |
| 18:46:13 | VerxHome | so I know that the remote is getting the command |
| 18:46:15 | VerxHome | oh, ok |
| 18:47:14 | VerxHome | ok |
| 18:47:17 | VerxHome | it appears to be running |
| 18:47:32 | VerxHome | now |
| 18:47:40 | VerxHome | won't I need the /dev files? |
| 18:47:47 | VerxHome | or does the kernel create those at bootup? |
| 18:48:04 | VerxHome | I always thought SOME dev files get created on the fly |
| 18:48:11 | VerxHome | and some are just staticly there |
| 19:09:58 | gonz | verxhome the kernel creates it, but i think you need an empty /dev directory |
| 19:10:37 | gonz | actually it does something like 'mount none -t devfs /dev/' |
| 20:51:28 | VerxHome | can anyone tell me what package(s) need to be installed to do usb networking? |