| 00:54:14 | sjohnson | is back (gone 02:21:07) |
| 00:59:37 | wudigi | i lost my wince images and the link on the wiki is down, could anyone possibly send them to me? |
| 01:33:26 | Morn | is away: tv.watch(); |
| 04:00:43 | GrimGrinningGhos | can anyone suggest a cf lan card to steer clear of? |
| 06:28:55 | exism | asdasd |
| 06:28:55 | exism | hey? anyone around? |
| 06:49:40 | OTri | ACK!! Shoot.. |
| 06:49:40 | OTri | Evil server. |
| 07:08:28 | exism_ | hello? |
| 17:27:07 | EoH | hi, does anyone in here use the python package for the ipaq ? |
| 17:27:25 | pattieja | I don't think I do |
| 17:27:56 | pattieja | anyone know where I can get the usbnet modules for the iPAQ side of the connection? (hoping not to have to cross-compile like the wiki says) |
| 17:28:31 | sjohnson | pattieja: It's in lastest 2.4.x kernels. |
| 17:28:37 | pattieja | cool |
| 17:28:51 | pattieja | but are the modules available on the iPAQ? |
| 17:28:58 | pattieja | I couldn't see them |
| 17:29:02 | pattieja | maybe I'm blind? |
| 17:30:37 | sjohnson | pattieja: It's called usb-eth on the IPAQ |
| 17:30:42 | pattieja | nevermind. found them. thanks |
| 19:31:43 | Wooble | anyone? -> can I use the ipkg's built for Armv4 also on the armv5? |
| 19:31:51 | Wooble | or are there some dependencies? |
| 19:38:46 | Wooble | OK, checked it out with a hw expert -> no dependencies... |
| 20:46:42 | pattieja | sjohnson: I was going through some of the wiki on how to automate the process of connecting with the USB network modules, and I was wondering how to get the ifup usbf to automatically work? |
| 20:46:53 | Wooble | hotplug? |
| 20:47:39 | pattieja | Wooble: ok. but ifup usbf doesn't like work or something |
| 20:47:53 | Wooble | pattieja: elaborate? |
| 20:48:15 | pattieja | whenever I try to issue that command, the following happens: |
| 20:48:19 | pattieja | sh-2.03# ifup usbf |
| 20:48:19 | pattieja | Ignoring unknown interface usbf=usbf. |
| 20:48:27 | pattieja | ?? |
| 20:48:34 | pattieja | where do I define the usbf interface? |
| 20:48:50 | pattieja | the only place I could find on the iPAQ filesystem is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:48:50 | Wooble | normally, when you plug your iPAQ into the cradle |
| 20:49:04 | Wooble | he'll bring up usbf automaticly |
| 20:49:13 | pattieja | hmm |
| 20:49:20 | pattieja | with what IP address? |
| 20:50:03 | Wooble | hmmm, dunno by heart where it is supposed to be, but somewhere in /etc/network/? |
| 20:50:24 | Wooble | i don't have my iPAQ by hand, otherwise I could tell you fast... |
| 20:50:32 | sjohnson | pattieja: I'm back. |
| 20:50:50 | sjohnson | Doing the ipaq side is easy. |
| 20:51:08 | sjohnson | pattieja: Add the usbf interface to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:51:48 | sjohnson | And add 'alias usbf usb-eth to /etc/modules.conf |
| 20:52:15 | sjohnson | Then usbf will come up automatically with 'ifup usbf' |
| 20:52:34 | pattieja | what's the information to put into interfaces? |
| 20:53:44 | sjohnson | iface usbf inet static |
| 20:53:44 | sjohnson | address 10.1.1.1 |
| 20:53:44 | sjohnson | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 20:53:44 | sjohnson | gateway 10.1.1.2 |
| 20:54:14 | sjohnson | pattieja: Flavor to taste. |
| 20:54:15 | pattieja | sjohnson: according to the wiki for setting up USB networking, they have a section that specifies how to get the iPAQ to be seen using proxy_arp instead of masquerading |
| 20:54:18 | Mickey0 | are there any plans to port familiar to the sharp zaurus - instead of embedix? |
| 20:54:50 | pattieja | does this mean that I can put the iPAQ's endpoints in the same network range as the host it's connected to? or do I still have to put the iPAQ into a different subnet? |
| 20:55:09 | exism | anyone know the cause of this error when trying to connect ppp: "LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests - Connection terminated. - Receive serial link is not 8-bet clean: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0" |
| 20:55:11 | sjohnson | pattieja: yes. |
| 20:55:21 | pattieja | sjohnson: ?? huh? yes to what? :) |
| 20:56:19 | sjohnson | pattieja: If us two ip addresses from the same subnet for your usbnet and proyarp It will appear on the same subnet. Although I've haven't tried it myself. |
| 20:56:31 | sjohnson | s/If us/If you use/ |
| 20:57:27 | pattieja | so if eth0 is on 192.168.1.0 and I put usb0 and usbf in 192.168.1.0 as well and set proxy_arp to 1 on /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/[eth0|usb0]/proxy_arp, it should work? |
| 20:57:31 | sjohnson | exism: That sound ppp is having problems taking to the serial port. |
| 20:58:02 | exism | hmm |
| 20:58:11 | sjohnson | pattieja: I believe so. I've never tried it myself. So I don't know the details |
| 20:58:18 | exism | anyway to determine which side it's from? |
| 20:58:51 | sjohnson | exism: I've found the side giving the errors is having problems. |
| 20:59:23 | exism | alright |
| 20:59:31 | pattieja | sjohnson: trying... thanks for the config help\ |
| 20:59:40 | exism | you think that my serial port is fucked or something? |
| 20:59:57 | sjohnson | pattieja: Make sure you have interface forwading turn on also. |
| 21:04:00 | pattieja | sjohnson: thanks. I commented that out since it wasn't in the section of the wiki that described the proxy_arp stuff |
| 21:04:06 | pattieja | enabling... |
| 21:04:48 | pattieja | btw, the iPAQ locked up and I had to reset it by pressing the button on the bottom when I tried to suspend it after making all these changes |
| 21:09:48 | pattieja | sjohnson: how can I get the USB host to setup usbnet automatically, or does it need to be insmod'd at all times? |
| 21:10:35 | sjohnson | pattieja: It can be up all of the time. But the USB controller drivers needs to be reloaded after the ipaq is suspended. |
| 21:11:30 | sjohnson | I added a small script to /etc/network/if-post-down.d to unload the drivers after an 'ifdown usbf' |
| 21:11:37 | pattieja | hmm. the hotplug script in net.agent must not have fired. usb0 is available when I plugged the iPAQ into the cradle, but not up and doesn't have an IP address |
| 21:12:15 | sjohnson | pattieja: You need to configure the usb0 interface on the desktop side. |
| 21:12:29 | sjohnson | Just add it like an eth inteface. |
| 21:13:41 | pattieja | sjohnson: what do you mean? I thought that was taken care of in the net.agent script? i.e., if [ x$INTERFACE = xusb0 ]; then ifconfig usb0 ...; fi |
| 21:13:54 | pattieja | shouldn't that do it? |
| 21:14:26 | pattieja | or do I need to setup /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-usb0 ? |
| 21:15:14 | sjohnson | pattieja: set /etc/sysconfig/.../ifcfg-usb0 |
| 21:15:33 | pattieja | unnnggh |
| 21:15:33 | sjohnson | hotplug will configure the interface when the usb0 device comes up |
| 21:15:35 | pattieja | ok |
| 21:15:57 | pattieja | so should I get rid of the "custom" setup stuff in net.agent? |
| 21:16:07 | pattieja | what about enabling proxy_arp on the device and eth0? |
| 21:18:15 | sjohnson | Hmm. Good question. I don't know. Redat dones't have a place for custom post if up scripts. |
| 21:18:51 | sjohnson | I just use masqerading. |
| 21:22:31 | pattieja | hmm |
| 21:22:32 | pattieja | thanks |
| 21:23:39 | pattieja | sjohnson: how do I setup the "pointopoint" portion of the connection using ifup? |
| 21:25:41 | sjohnson | pattieja: Using USB? |
| 21:25:50 | pattieja | yea |
| 21:25:53 | pattieja | it's part of the wiki |
| 21:26:20 | pattieja | setting proxy_arp on the eth0 and usb0 interfaces is supposed to have it just "work", I guess |
| 21:26:42 | sjohnson | pattieja: Don't know. I nexver tried proxyarp |
| 21:27:15 | pattieja | is it something that comes in the kernel by default? or something I need to add and setup? |
| 21:27:27 | pattieja | I'll check /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/... moment... |
| 21:28:15 | pattieja | hmm. it's available |
| 21:28:31 | sjohnson | The only thing I know of is /proc/sys/net/ipv4/proxy_arp |
| 21:33:26 | pattieja | right, but I believe you can turn it on for each interface individually |
| 21:33:41 | pattieja | hmm. maybe I need to turn that "global" entry on as well, you think? |
| 22:06:05 | sjohnson | pattieja: I'm back again. Sorry. We've got new intern and I'm giving unix lessions. |
| 22:06:36 | sjohnson | pattieja: I don't know. I think maybe your need it on both interfaces |
| 22:07:35 | pattieja | sounds like fun |
| 22:07:45 | pattieja | well, it didn't work |
| 22:07:57 | pattieja | I think I'll have to upgrade the kernel on the host I'm plugging the iPAQ into |
| 22:08:07 | pattieja | since it is running 2.4.18 |
| 22:08:13 | pattieja | and the wiki said that won't work |
| 22:08:15 | pattieja | so... |
| 22:10:31 | sjohnson | masq? |
| 22:16:23 | pattieja | haven't tried that |
| 22:16:34 | pattieja | don't really want to (yet) |
| 22:16:46 | pattieja | I'll do it if it's the last thing that will get the connection working |
| 22:16:58 | pattieja | but I don't think that's going to work either |
| 22:17:21 | pattieja | I wasn't able to ping the endpoint on the USB host from the iPAQ when it was successfully brought up on both sides |
| 22:21:07 | sjohnson | pattieja: |
| 22:21:18 | sjohnson | pattieja: The usb0 interface? |
| 22:21:30 | pattieja | right |
| 22:22:05 | pattieja | after bringing up the usb0 interface on the host computer via 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.1.13 netmask 255.255.255.0 pointopoint 192.168.1.14' |
| 22:22:24 | pattieja | and on the iPAQ (it automatically did it's thing) the usbf interface was set to 192.168.1.14 |
| 22:22:36 | pattieja | the iPAQ could not ping 192.168.1.13, but it could ping 192.168.1.14 |
| 22:22:42 | pattieja | and vice versa on the USB host machine |
| 22:22:56 | sjohnson | netmask is correct for both side? |
| 22:23:06 | pattieja | yep. I typed them in manually |
| 22:23:15 | pattieja | oh. woops |
| 22:23:31 | pattieja | I think the netmask on the pointopoint side is supposed to be all 255's (255.255.255.255) |
| 22:23:44 | sjohnson | Er...no. |
| 22:23:48 | pattieja | hmm. I'll try to test that tomorrow |
| 22:23:53 | pattieja | that's what the wiki has in it? |
| 22:24:24 | Vegg | .252, I think it should be. |
| 22:24:51 | sjohnson | Make them the same. |
| 22:24:59 | pattieja | let me verify I read the wiki correctly |
| 22:25:15 | sjohnson | If the usb0 interface comes up then the desktop sees the ipaq |
| 22:26:13 | pattieja | sjohnson: I just looked over the wiki again. It has 255.255.255.0 in one spot for the pointopoint link and 255.255.255.255 in another (two different authors of those respective sections, I think) |
| 22:26:37 | sjohnson | I think wiki needs updating again. |
| 22:26:50 | pattieja | sjohnson: the desktop sees the USB cable device, right? But if the network settings are off on either end... |
| 22:27:34 | sjohnson | yes. If the usb0 is created, the desktop sees the ipaq. |
| 22:28:07 | sjohnson | Make the netmask the same. I've seen too many strange network problems where mismatched netmaks were the cause. |
| 22:28:18 | pattieja | k |
| 22:28:27 | pattieja | My boss took the iPAQ, so I'll try again tomorrow |
| 22:28:39 | pattieja | thanks for your much needed assistance |
| 22:28:46 | sjohnson | Is hould just work automagically. |
| 22:29:04 | sjohnson | If just ifup usbf on the ipaq and drop it in the cradle |
| 22:29:27 | pattieja | I've been doing /etc/init.d/init-usb start |
| 22:30:03 | pattieja | and then I made symlinks in /etc/suspend-scripts and /etc/resume-scripts to S20usb and R45usb that ifup and ifdown usbf |
| 22:30:07 | sjohnson | pattieja: The problem is the usb controller. The driver needs to be reloaded after a resume. You'll need a resume script to do that |
| 22:30:34 | sjohnson | You will also need to modprobe -r usb-eth on the driver also |
| 22:30:40 | pattieja | that way, the wiki said that it will automatically allow you to suspend and resume the iPAQ and have it tear down and bring back up the USB connection |
| 22:30:55 | pattieja | sjohnson: yep. It's in the suspend script |
| 22:31:10 | sjohnson | Cool. I need to install that script myself. |
| 22:31:12 | pattieja | someone else already did all that work. I just installed the .ipk |
| 22:31:20 | pattieja | yep |
| 22:32:03 | sjohnson | Oh? I'll need to grab it myself. I created two gtk-menu entries to bring usbf up and down |
| 22:46:46 | exism | hey |
| 22:57:14 | nmendes | hi |
| 23:24:49 | pragma | is away: I rule |