| 03:23:22 | GrimGrinningGhos | Can anyone tell me how to turn off /dev/ttsao so that I can run my stowaway keyboard |
| 03:23:58 | GrimGrinningGhos | the wikki says to go edit the boot params, but I don't know which file to edit. I also need to turn off getty and I am unsure how to do that as well. |
| 03:35:20 | TrekCycling | what does everyone here get for battery life, generally? |
| 03:35:48 | TrekCycling | just curious, informally, because I'm trying to get a gague of what to expect, whether I can use my iPaq as an mp3 player |
| 14:22:14 | akif | hallo |
| 14:22:51 | akif | is anybody out here who is kind enought to help me |
| 14:26:19 | akif | hello egor |
| 14:26:51 | egor | akif: hello |
| 14:26:54 | akif | hi |
| 14:27:02 | akif | egor: are |
| 14:27:09 | akif | you able to help me |
| 14:27:17 | akif | I'm looking for some help |
| 14:27:27 | akif | I need to get installed familiar on my ipaq |
| 14:28:13 | egor | akif: have you checked out the installtion instructions on handhelds.org |
| 14:28:26 | akif | egor: thats it actually |
| 14:28:34 | akif | I'm desperatelly looking for some good docu |
| 14:28:52 | akif | I've red all the docu I found |
| 14:29:29 | | CmdrChalupa: what? |
| 14:29:29 | CmdrChalupa | ibot install |
| 14:29:33 | | CmdrChalupa: sorry... |
| 14:29:33 | CmdrChalupa | ibot installation |
| 14:29:37 | | it has been said that familiar is a Linux distribution for handhelds, at http://familiar.handhelds.org or God in the palm of my hand |
| 14:29:37 | CmdrChalupa | ibot familiar |
| 14:29:40 | CmdrChalupa | hmm |
| 14:29:55 | akif | egor: could you tell me which packages I do requaire to have a x |
| 14:30:05 | | egor is nothing but an hasty-witted accumulation of humid pods. |
| 14:30:05 | CmdrChalupa | ibot insult egor |
| 14:30:05 | egor | akif: when i installed on the ipaq i use i just followed those instsructions to include saving wince |
| 14:31:13 | CmdrChalupa | akif: do you want X or opie/qpe? |
| 14:31:25 | akif | I actuallz would prefere qpe |
| 14:31:32 | akif | which packages do I need |
| 14:31:43 | akif | I have allready the root image on my ipaq |
| 14:31:49 | CmdrChalupa | okay |
| 14:31:52 | akif | Ive a seriall console on my ipaq |
| 14:32:22 | akif | I would download all the packages and upload them to my ipaq but which ones do I requaire |
| 14:33:26 | CmdrChalupa | you need to add http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq to your /etc/ipkg.conf file, or download the packages from there and upload them serially (I would suggest if you did this, that you upload to /mnt/ramfs, as this would be less taxing on your flash) |
| 14:34:14 | akif | CmdrChalupa: I would prefere to download the files and send them by the serial link |
| 14:34:16 | akif | to the ipaq |
| 14:34:45 | akif | since Im sitting on a windows machine I havent got a clou how to connect via ppp to the windows machine |
| 14:35:32 | CmdrChalupa | okay, then you can get the opie packages there |
| 14:35:50 | akif | CmdrChalupa: is this info for me |
| 14:35:54 | akif | ? |
| 14:36:22 | CmdrChalupa | yes |
| 14:36:27 | akif | thank you |
| 14:36:31 | CmdrChalupa | opie is like qpe, but is updated more frequently |
| 14:36:34 | akif | I've allready downloaded them |
| 14:36:45 | akif | but which packages do I need to install |
| 14:36:51 | CmdrChalupa | http://opie.handhelds.org/feed/ipaq |
| 14:36:59 | akif | do I need all of them |
| 14:38:18 | akif | please |
| 14:39:06 | CmdrChalupa | akif: if you look at the Packages file, you will see all the dependencies for programs. If you look at task-opie complete, you will see what it requires. Keep in mind that any package that starts with task is a virtual package and will not install software. |
| 14:40:04 | akif | what does it meen |
| 14:40:24 | akif | what for are thease task files |
| 14:40:45 | CmdrChalupa | akif: task-opie-complete will install four virtual packages, task-opie, task-opie-apps, task-opie-settings, task-opie-games...since those start with task, they are virtual packages....for example, task-opie-apps installs two virtual packages and three real packages: task-opie, task-opie-pim, opie-appskey, advancedFm, konqueror |
| 14:41:09 | CmdrChalupa | the task files are there to make it easier for people who are using the ipkg utility to install opie...but, you can use them to figure out which packages you need |
| 14:41:47 | akif | would you recommend me to download all the feed and upload it to my ipaq and then start ipkg install * |
| 14:42:11 | CmdrChalupa | that might be easieset |
| 14:42:28 | CmdrChalupa | but I don't know if you can get all the packages into ram at once |
| 14:42:40 | akif | so, what do I have to do |
| 14:42:45 | akif | if I donwload a file |
| 14:42:49 | akif | onto my temp |
| 14:42:54 | akif | directory |
| 14:43:04 | akif | where does it automatically store it |
| 14:43:09 | akif | on which devicee |
| 14:43:11 | akif | ? |
| 14:44:20 | CmdrChalupa | if you download it onto your windows temp directory, it'll be on your windows system |
| 14:44:33 | akif | no I meen on the ipaq |
| 14:44:35 | CmdrChalupa | you can use zmodem to transfer the ipkgs up to the ipaq device |
| 14:44:43 | akif | yes I did this allready |
| 14:44:47 | CmdrChalupa | ok |
| 14:44:50 | akif | all I see is the pinguine |
| 14:44:50 | CmdrChalupa | oh |
| 14:44:54 | akif | on my ipaq |
| 14:44:55 | CmdrChalupa | right |
| 14:45:01 | akif | im using vi allready |
| 14:45:05 | akif | via the serial console |
| 14:45:08 | akif | on my ipaq |
| 14:45:11 | CmdrChalupa | it should be in ram on your ipaq |
| 14:45:14 | CmdrChalupa | not in flash |
| 14:45:18 | akif | ok |
| 14:45:23 | CmdrChalupa | if you go to /tmp |
| 14:45:30 | CmdrChalupa | and do an ipkg install * |
| 14:45:33 | CmdrChalupa | then reset the device |
| 14:45:39 | CmdrChalupa | it should come up in opie |
| 14:45:51 | akif | it will come up automatically with opie |
| 14:45:52 | akif | ? |
| 14:46:06 | CmdrChalupa | after installing it, yes |
| 14:46:28 | akif | and why do I just see a pengiuin now at the moment |
| 14:46:29 | CmdrChalupa | you might need to ipkg -force-depends install * |
| 14:46:34 | akif | ok |
| 14:46:43 | CmdrChalupa | well |
| 14:46:57 | CmdrChalupa | you can also run /etc/init.d/qpe start from the serial console to start it up |
| 14:47:19 | akif | cmdrchalupa: thank you very very much for your help now |
| 14:47:28 | CmdrChalupa | but resetting it will make sure that all is configured properly to make it come up automatically |
| 14:47:38 | akif | im going to install it I think it will take me just some minutes |
| 14:47:46 | akif | are you going to be still here |
| 14:47:52 | akif | so I could tell you if it worked |
| 14:47:52 | CmdrChalupa | yes |
| 14:47:59 | akif | thank you very much again |
| 14:48:06 | CmdrChalupa | nods |
| 14:51:06 | akif | Cmdrchalupa |
| 14:51:10 | akif | are you there |
| 14:51:40 | CmdrChalupa | yes |
| 14:52:06 | akif | which packages of familiar do i need |
| 14:52:15 | akif | or is the root image enough |
| 14:52:29 | CmdrChalupa | that depends on what you want to do |
| 14:52:44 | akif | I would like to have opie running for the moment |
| 14:52:48 | CmdrChalupa | did anything go wrong? |
| 14:52:56 | akif | no not yet |
| 14:53:06 | akif | i just complete the download ont to the ipaq |
| 14:53:14 | CmdrChalupa | I think the root image should be enough |
| 14:53:37 | akif | If I would now which ones I need I would just upload them of course |
| 14:55:08 | CmdrChalupa | I am not sure at the moment...I have not done a serial install of opie in a few months |
| 14:57:06 | akif | anyway I'll try now |
| 14:59:18 | akif | Cmdrchalupa: do you speak any other languages like german or turkish |
| 14:59:33 | CmdrChalupa | I speak neither of those |
| 14:59:53 | CmdrChalupa | I'm sorry |
| 14:59:53 | akif | I'm not anymore used to speak english |
| 15:00:12 | akif | anyway it is a shame that I'm misslearning english |
| 15:00:16 | CmdrChalupa | well, you type english quite well |
| 15:00:33 | akif | since I've spend so much time in england |
| 15:01:27 | akif | cmdrchalupa: my ipaq has to disks mounted |
| 15:01:28 | akif | # df |
| 15:01:28 | akif | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 15:01:28 | akif | tmpfs 31500 176 31324 1% /mnt/ramfs |
| 15:01:28 | akif | # |
| 15:01:49 | akif | should I upload the files onto the ramfs disk |
| 15:01:50 | akif | ? |
| 15:01:52 | CmdrChalupa | it only shows ramfs mounted |
| 15:01:59 | CmdrChalupa | the flash is your / |
| 15:02:07 | akif | I see |
| 15:02:23 | CmdrChalupa | yes, upload them to /mnt/ramfs |
| 15:02:31 | akif | ok |
| 15:02:51 | akif | does rz accept multiple files at once with the zmodem protocoll |
| 15:02:52 | akif | ? |
| 15:03:03 | CmdrChalupa | yes |
| 15:03:19 | akif | how |
| 15:03:29 | CmdrChalupa | i don't know with windows |
| 15:03:29 | akif | I'm using this stupid hyperterminal |
| 15:03:42 | CmdrChalupa | try shift and click |
| 15:03:46 | akif | ok |
| 15:04:00 | akif | the directory is now /mnt/ramfs/tmp |
| 15:04:03 | akif | this is ok? |
| 15:05:48 | akif | still there |
| 15:06:23 | CmdrChalupa | yes |
| 15:06:25 | CmdrChalupa | that's fine |
| 15:06:34 | akif | where are you from cmdrchalupa |
| 15:06:44 | CmdrChalupa | you are not going to destroy your ipaq by doing this |
| 15:07:04 | akif | no for shure not |
| 15:07:51 | akif | unfortunatelly I'm at the computing center here at work |
| 15:08:02 | akif | and all the unix |
| 15:08:15 | akif | machines here do not allow me to use seriall communication applications |
| 15:08:24 | akif | I do not have root permissions here |
| 15:08:32 | akif | therefor I'm using the windoof machine |
| 15:08:38 | akif | to install my own ipaq |
| 15:12:04 | akif | cmdrchalupa: which one |
| 15:12:10 | akif | sorry |
| 15:21:22 | akif | quite difficult work cmdrchalupa |
| 15:21:34 | akif | I need to upload all files manually |
| 15:27:50 | yi | has anyone got the COMPAQ foldout keyboard to work?...not the stowaway??? |
| 15:57:38 | akif | cmdrchalupa: are you still there |
| 16:24:14 | CmdrChalupa | akif: I am now |
| 16:41:09 | akif | hi there |
| 16:41:17 | akif | cmdrchalupa |
| 16:41:20 | akif | it doesnt work |
| 16:41:27 | akif | it has installed all necessarey files |
| 16:41:35 | akif | but it doesnt boot up with opie |
| 16:43:02 | CmdrChalupa | okay |
| 16:43:11 | CmdrChalupa | go to /etc/rc2.d |
| 16:43:13 | akif | could you help me cmdr |
| 16:43:14 | akif | mom |
| 16:43:32 | akif | yes |
| 16:43:41 | akif | Im there |
| 16:43:56 | CmdrChalupa | and do: ln -s ../init.d/qpe S99qpe |
| 16:44:02 | CmdrChalupa | then restart |
| 16:44:25 | akif | but qpe is not there |
| 16:44:40 | akif | Im missing this file |
| 16:44:43 | akif | Ive instsalled |
| 16:44:55 | akif | all the files and I was looking myself for it |
| 16:45:05 | akif | but it wasnt there |
| 16:46:34 | akif | cmdrchalupa |
| 16:46:55 | akif | what does it mean if the ipaq starts with the linux penguin tux and the cursor is just blinking |
| 16:53:17 | akif | cmdrchalupa: I do get an errormessage saying that it can not load library libqpe.so.1 |
| 16:53:28 | akif | where is this lib? does anybody know? |
| 17:10:25 | DavH_Away | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:11:46 | CmdrChalupa | akif: try to install task-opie-complete |
| 17:41:14 | quincy | minicom to familiar to REALLY slow can anyone help? |
| 18:55:36 | quincy | minicom to familiar is REALLY slow can anyone help? |
| 19:45:26 | disposable | i want to ask something: does familiar linux come with a compiler? or do i have to go for intimate linux if i want that? |
| 19:54:41 | disposable | i want to ask something: does familiar linux come with a compiler? or do i have to go for intimate linux if i want that? |
| 19:59:13 | sjohnson | disposable: native compile packages are available for familiar. The are on the ftp.handhelds.org site, but I don't recall the exact directory off-hand. |
| 20:00:23 | disposable | sjohnson: k, thanx. i'm doing a lot of travelling and i need a completely independent linux handheld. |
| 20:01:28 | sjohnson | I would recommends soem type of external storage to hold the toolchains. There are quite large. |
| 20:02:16 | sjohnson | A PC Card or CF Hardrive would be nice for additional swap space. |
| 22:30:11 | newipaq | hi people? |
| 22:30:29 | Kero | a few. #handhelds.org is more crowded. |
| 22:30:56 | newipaq | may I install familiar on ipaq 3850 with 32mb of flash and 63mb of ram ? |
| 22:32:00 | newipaq | sorry |
| 22:32:03 | newipaq | may I install familiar on ipaq 3850 with 32mb of flash and 64mb of ram ? |
| 22:34:15 | Kero | yes, but have a look at http://handhelds.org/projects/h3800.html first |
| 22:35:18 | newipaq | do you have installed on this equipament? |
| 22:39:51 | Kero | no, I have experience with 3630's and 3660 |
| 22:40:23 | newipaq | ok, what os do you have installed on your ipaq ? |
| 22:40:29 | newipaq | what version! |
| 22:41:11 | newipaq | I bought a ipaq yesterday! |
| 22:43:06 | Kero | newipaq: familiar 0.5.2 with a load of upgrades from familiar unstable and some packages of my own. |
| 22:43:31 | newipaq | :) |
| 22:43:47 | newipaq | what's the memory of your ipaq? |
| 22:44:30 | Kero | is lucky w/ 32 MB flash and 32 MB RAM |
| 22:44:58 | Kero | most h36xx have only 16 MB flash |
| 22:45:02 | newipaq | Kero thanks! |
| 22:45:34 | r00t|ipaq | xchat on ipaq is l33t :D |
| 22:45:49 | newipaq | so with my new 3850 with 32mb i will by happy! |
| 22:45:53 | newipaq | so with my new 3850 with 32mb i will be happy! |
| 22:47:32 | newipaq | :) |
| 22:48:17 | r00t|ipaq | are there packages of it, or dudi really havevt |
| 22:48:30 | r00t|ipaq | to compile it mysekf? |
| 22:49:51 | Kero | r00t|ipaq: it';s been done, try ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 22:50:06 | Kero | r00t|ipaq: it';s been done, try ipkgfind.handhelds.org |
| 22:50:07 | r00t|ipaq | Kero: i did |
| 22:50:17 | r00t | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/result.phtml?query=xchat&searchtype=package§ion= |
| 22:50:21 | Kero | oh, two live connections :) |
| 22:50:43 | r00t | i have four total ;p (two desktops, notebook, ipaq) |
| 22:51:50 | newipaq | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/ |
| 22:52:00 | Kero | r00t: then there is still Wiki and Google left |
| 22:52:02 | r00t | two lines up ;p |
| 22:52:05 | newipaq | great site! |
| 22:52:11 | r00t | yeah, sure |
| 22:52:30 | r00t | well, i got some really l33t friend who just set up a crosscompiler, so... ;) |
| 22:53:13 | pattieja | is away: home |
| 22:53:41 | newipaq | mine still did not arrive! |
| 22:54:15 | r00t|ipaq | whishes this one wasvhis own |
| 23:14:42 | newipaq | is away: (automatically dead ) [BX-MsgLog Off] |
| 23:14:43 | newipaq | is idle, automatically dead [bX(l/on p/off)] |