| 00:26:17 | Argal | hi there |
| 00:26:38 | swente | hi |
| 00:27:05 | Argal | i got a pb with bootloader 2.18.01 |
| 00:27:29 | Argal | and i wonder if it's a conf pb or if it's due to something else (the bootloader itself) |
| 00:29:25 | Argal | in fact it doesn't get words after " " char |
| 00:30:24 | swente | Argal: you are connected via terminal ? |
| 00:30:51 | Argal | ie : boot> eflash 0x40000 |
| 00:30:51 | Argal | --> eflash requires arguments: <partition>|<addr> [<len>]|chip! |
| 00:31:54 | Argal | hypertermoinal, yes (i also tried securecrt) |
| 00:31:55 | swente | let me warn you: i'm no familiar-support-hero :) .. i used it some month ago and just joined here again.. |
| 00:32:19 | swente | but, doesn't that command take *two* params ? |
| 00:33:06 | Argal | nope, you can use it with one param |
| 00:34:06 | swente | hmmm... i experienced problems when sometimes the terminal was garbled some way, then i just pressed return 2 or 3 times without command and it worked again. |
| 00:34:23 | Argal | another example : boot> load bootldr |
| 00:34:25 | Argal | Don't understand command>bo< Try help for a command list. |
| 00:35:06 | swente | what settings has hyperterm ? 115200/8N1 ? |
| 00:36:29 | Argal | yes it is |
| 00:36:38 | Argal | i really don't see what append :/ |
| 00:36:41 | swente | hmm, curious. |
| 00:36:47 | Argal | you say it ! :)) |
| 00:37:15 | swente | any commands working at all ? |
| 00:37:34 | Argal | and for now i got an unusable ipaq sniff sniff |
| 00:37:46 | Argal | hmm.. nope, only command without params |
| 00:37:58 | Argal | like 'show' etc.. |
| 00:39:49 | Argal | it's like bootldr doesn't like " " at all, and consider it as as a sort of 'end of line' or something like that |
| 00:40:11 | swente | please try again after some empty-line-returns .. |
| 00:40:46 | Argal | ok, i'm going to try it |
| 00:41:49 | Argal | doesn't work :/ |
| 00:42:12 | swente | hm, it was just a guess (and a bit experience). :-/ |
| 00:42:28 | swente | it's the first bootloader on your ipaq ? |
| 00:43:27 | Argal | yep yep no pb, your help is welcome |
| 00:44:17 | swente | hmmmm... |
| 00:44:27 | Argal | nope, i've installed another before |
| 00:45:03 | Argal | too strange for me :/ and too late for me (nearly 3h am) |
| 00:45:11 | Argal | i need to sleep, i see it tomorrow |
| 00:45:18 | Argal | anyway, thx a lot swente |
| 00:45:20 | swente | which worked .. well ... maybe i should wait a bit until i install it on my newer ipaq ... |
| 00:45:38 | swente | argal n.p., good night .. (3am here too .. late ? ;) ) |
| 00:46:19 | Argal | DON'T INSTALL 2.18.01 !! ;))) |
| 00:47:10 | Argal | yep i haven't sleep a lot yesterady |
| 00:47:31 | Argal | zoup go to bed, see you tomorrow swente |
| 00:47:35 | swente | ok then :) |
| 01:14:29 | sendman | hi, anybody knows about ipaq and usb? |
| 01:14:51 | sendman | /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no modules for USB product 0/0/0 |
| 01:14:56 | sendman | this message when load usbnet |
| 02:59:49 | swente | does dual-boot work with H3870's SD-card slot ? (faq just mentions CF-cards) |
| 06:58:55 | Woden | hi everyone |
| 06:58:59 | Woden | need some help |
| 06:59:10 | Woden | anyone done any developement in familiar |
| 07:34:15 | |Data| | hi |
| 08:12:17 | Woden | anyone done any developement in familiar |
| 12:57:53 | argal | hi there |
| 14:22:40 | argal | re |
| 14:29:38 | argal | i got pb with bootldr 2.18.01 |
| 14:29:49 | argal | is there someone who can help me with it ? |
| 14:33:01 | primal39 | argal: I'm willing to give it a shot |
| 14:34:21 | argal | ok, it seems ,when i type command,that spaces aren't recognize well... |
| 14:34:31 | argal | ie: when i enter : load bootldr |
| 14:34:40 | argal | -> unknown command>bo< |
| 14:34:57 | argal | 2nd example: when i type eflash 0x40000 |
| 14:35:06 | argal | it tells me that eflash takes args |
| 14:35:26 | argal | i just wondering if it's a conf pb or a bootldr pb |
| 14:35:46 | argal | all commands without args work fine |
| 14:37:57 | argal | i'm starting to think about give it back to compaq support.. but well.... i prefer saving my ipaq myself if it's possible |
| 14:38:49 | argal | i never seen taht kind of pb before, and i'm quite lost |
| 16:07:50 | ducttape | prepares to install linux on an ipaq |
| 16:17:47 | ducttape | Does anyone have any last minute advice before I break my ipAq? |
| 16:41:12 | reacend | hi does anybody have a working Doom wad file? |
| 17:00:49 | TrekCycling | anyone here know how to use the familiar app that changes the processor speed? I want to slow down my processor to hopefully get more battery life. |
| 17:11:53 | Marcin | hi |
| 17:12:14 | Marcin | got a small problem with PCMCIA sleeve on iPAQ 3870 |
| 17:12:21 | Marcin | doesn't want to work... |
| 17:12:25 | Marcin | anybody can help? |
| 17:14:22 | primal39 | hmm...what isn't it doing? |
| 17:17:06 | Marcin | I get - PCMCIA sleeve unrecognized |
| 17:17:35 | primal39 | what card is in the sleeve? |
| 17:17:41 | Marcin | WL110 |
| 17:17:43 | Marcin | Compaq |
| 17:17:49 | Marcin | should I remove it? |
| 17:18:10 | primal39 | you might try that... remove it, restart pcmcia services, then reinsert the card |
| 17:22:35 | Marcin | h3600_sleeve_insert: unrecognized sleeve |
| 17:22:44 | Marcin | sth wrong with the module I guess.. |
| 17:41:46 | Marcin | anybody has working single PCMCIA sleeve? |
| 19:13:01 | swente | is it actually possible to dual-boot from h3870's SD-card-slot ? (FAQ just mentions CF-cards..) |
| 19:16:08 | sjohnson | swente: No it's not possible at the time. |
| 19:16:44 | swente | ah thanks. will it become possible in the near future ? |
| 19:17:42 | ducttape | can anyone help me with minicom? |
| 19:18:32 | swente | ducttape: what's the prob ? |
| 19:19:02 | ducttape | swente: how do I use it? |
| 19:19:43 | swente | ducttape: ok ... well ;) .. first you've to make sure normal user-accounts have access to the serial ports, otherwise only root can access them. |
| 19:20:04 | swente | ducttape: usually one puts the desired user into a special "group", like "dialout" |
| 19:20:13 | ducttape | ok |
| 19:20:36 | swente | for now simply run it, and try |
| 19:21:04 | ducttape | what settings do I need for the connection so I can flash the OS into an ipaq? |
| 19:21:31 | swente | you need to configure the proper serial port, then 115200/8/N/1 |
| 19:21:36 | swente | press <ctrl>-<o> |
| 19:21:53 | swente | choose "Serial port setup" |
| 19:22:01 | ducttape | whats comm2 in ttyS? |
| 19:22:19 | swente | shouldbe /dev/ttyS1 <count from ttyS0> |
| 19:23:44 | swente | after setting it, "ESC" brings you back, then "save as dfl" |
| 19:30:26 | ducttape | I have configured minicom now |
| 19:30:36 | ducttape | I run it, it then gives me a curser |
| 19:33:12 | swente | i asssume you've installed the bootldr on ipaq, and ipaq is waiting to boot ? |
| 19:33:42 | swente | after pressing spacebar you should get a prompt |
| 19:35:06 | ducttape | done |
| 19:35:20 | swente | you've the prompt ? |
| 19:51:40 | ducttape | ok, am flashing the root image |
| 20:12:05 | ducttape | anyone here? |
| 20:12:55 | ducttape | hello? |
| 20:37:04 | Rich3800 | hello ducttape. |
| 20:37:36 | Rich3800 | Hello all. |
| 20:38:24 | Rich3800 | Can anybody help me install my iPAQ? |
| 20:49:24 | ducttape | HELP |
| 20:50:50 | Kero | Rich3800, ducttape: be more specific! |
| 21:09:36 | Rich3800 | I want to triple-boot Wince/Familiar-OPIE and some sort of BSD os on my H3850. |
| 21:10:42 | Rich3800 | I want to boot OPIE and BSD from my PCMCIA hard drive. |
| 21:12:11 | ducttape | Kero: I REALLY CAN'T CONNECT, I HAVE FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE WIKI! |
| 21:12:43 | Kero | stop screaming |
| 21:12:49 | ducttape | sorry |
| 21:14:23 | ducttape | its not working atall, in anyway shape or form |
| 21:15:05 | Kero | local |
| 21:15:08 | Kero | asyncmap 0 |
| 21:15:13 | Kero | no flow control whatsoever |
| 21:15:15 | ducttape | done all that |
| 21:15:25 | Kero | suid bit |
| 21:15:31 | ducttape | suid? |
| 21:15:44 | Kero | chmod +s /usr/sbin/pppd |
| 21:16:13 | Kero | modpobe ppp_async |
| 21:16:48 | Kero | log in as ppp from minicom, if you don't see garbage, you'll see the error message. |
| 21:17:06 | ducttape | PAM_unix[170]: (login) session opened for user ppp by root(uid=0) |
| 21:17:07 | ducttape | ~�}#.!}!}!} }4}"}&} } } } }%}&&A.�}'}"}(}"�o~~�}#.!}!}!} }4}"}&} } } } }%}&&A.� |
| 21:17:17 | Rich3800 | What would be appropriate sizes for each of the OSes? |
| 21:17:49 | Kero | ducttape: that's pppd. now make sure it is dead before you try to connect from PC again. |
| 21:18:02 | ducttape | how do I do that? |
| 21:18:09 | Rich3800 | I want to be able to access the PCMCIA DOS partition from Linux and BSD. |
| 21:19:29 | Kero | ducttape: just wait. |
| 21:19:40 | ducttape | what it times out? |
| 21:20:07 | Kero | ducttape: dunno, long time :( |
| 21:20:14 | ducttape | argh |
| 21:21:12 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:17 black pppd[893]: Exit. |
| 21:21:12 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:22 black pppd[895]: pppd 2.4.1 started by freemadi, uid 0 |
| 21:21:12 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:23 black chat[897]: expect (ogin) |
| 21:21:12 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:26 black chat[897]: alarm |
| 21:21:12 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:26 black chat[897]: send (^M) |
| 21:21:15 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:26 black chat[897]: expect (ogin:) |
| 21:21:17 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:26 black chat[897]: ^M |
| 21:21:20 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:29 black chat[897]: alarm |
| 21:21:22 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:29 black chat[897]: Failed |
| 21:21:25 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:09:30 black pppd[895]: Exit. |
| 21:24:45 | Kero | exactly. are you sure only getty is running iPAQ and no pppd? |
| 21:25:01 | ducttape | what do you mean? |
| 21:25:41 | ducttape | what would happen if I did a hdware reset? |
| 21:26:13 | Kero | if you connect with minicom, do you see "familiar login:" |
| 21:27:05 | ducttape | # ATZ |
| 21:27:05 | ducttape | ATZ: not found |
| 21:27:06 | ducttape | # |
| 21:29:16 | sjohnson | ducttape: Edit tou modem settings in minicom. Remove the modem rest and init strings. |
| 21:29:56 | Kero | ducttape: log out |
| 21:29:57 | ducttape | now all I get is nothing, |
| 21:30:04 | Kero | you're still logged in as root |
| 21:30:16 | ducttape | ah thats better |
| 21:30:24 | ducttape | now I get familiar login: |
| 21:30:57 | ducttape | Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:30:58 | ducttape | sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x11a0b1cc> <pcomp> <accomp>] |
| 21:30:58 | ducttape | rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x11a0b1cc> <pcomp> <accomp>] |
| 21:30:58 | ducttape | sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x1 <magic 0x8cc7cfb1>] |
| 21:30:59 | ducttape | rcvd [LCP ConfNak id=0x1 <magic 0x8cc7cfb1>] |
| 21:32:01 | ducttape | how do I edit /etc/passwd ? |
| 21:35:09 | ducttape | um, how do I edit files? |
| 21:36:20 | sjohnson | sed? :) |
| 21:36:42 | sjohnson | ducttape: You can install vim. it works well. |
| 21:37:59 | ducttape | HOW? |
| 21:38:11 | ducttape | can't get the ppp link to work |
| 21:38:51 | ducttape | Kero: I am really stuck now |
| 21:38:52 | sjohnson | ducttape: You can zmodem .ipk s over and install them locally. |
| 21:39:00 | ducttape | sjohnson: how? |
| 21:39:51 | sjohnson | cd /tmp ; (start file upload using zmodem); then ipkg install /tmp/file.ipk |
| 21:48:10 | ducttape | ok, I have vi installed |
| 21:48:12 | ducttape | RIGHT |
| 21:48:23 | ducttape | I get the following error: |
| 21:48:28 | ducttape | sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa98e69d3> <pcomp> <accomp>] |
| 21:48:28 | ducttape | rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xa98e69d3> <pcomp> <accomp>] |
| 21:48:29 | ducttape | sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x1 <magic 0x88c974ac>] |
| 21:48:30 | ducttape | rcvd [LCP ConfNak id=0x1 <magic 0x88c974ac>] |
| 21:49:12 | Kero | that's not an error, I think. |
| 21:49:28 | Kero | but it ends there? |
| 21:50:16 | ducttape | sent [LCP ConfNak id=0xa <magic 0xb11e3b8d>] |
| 21:50:17 | ducttape | rcvd [LCP ConfNak id=0xa <magic 0xb11e3b8d>] |
| 21:50:17 | ducttape | Serial line is looped back. |
| 21:50:17 | ducttape | sent [LCP TermReq id=0xb "Loopback detected"] |
| 21:50:17 | ducttape | rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0xb "Loopback detected"] |
| 21:50:19 | ducttape | sent [LCP TermAck id=0xb] |
| 21:50:22 | ducttape | rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0xb] |
| 21:50:24 | ducttape | Connection terminated. |
| 21:50:39 | ducttape | is the end of the error |
| 21:51:13 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black chat[945]: familiar login: |
| 21:51:13 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black chat[945]: -- got it |
| 21:51:13 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black chat[945]: send (root^M) |
| 21:51:13 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black chat[945]: expect (ssword:) |
| 21:51:13 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black chat[945]: root^M |
| 21:51:15 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black chat[945]: Password: |
| 21:51:18 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black chat[945]: -- got it |
| 21:51:20 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black chat[945]: send (rootme^M) |
| 21:51:23 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black pppd[943]: Serial connection established. |
| 21:51:26 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black pppd[943]: Using interface ppp0 |
| 21:51:28 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:36 black pppd[943]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0 |
| 21:51:31 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:38 black pppd[943]: Serial line is looped back. |
| 21:51:33 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:38 black pppd[943]: Connection terminated. |
| 21:51:36 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:36:39 black pppd[943]: Exit. |
| 21:51:38 | ducttape | from /var/log/messages |
| 21:51:47 | Kero | notices a "root" there, not "ppp" |
| 21:52:31 | ducttape | tries a ppp |
| 21:52:44 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:00 black pppd[952]: pppd 2.4.1 started by freemadi, uid 0 |
| 21:52:45 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:01 black chat[954]: expect (ogin) |
| 21:52:45 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:04 black chat[954]: alarm |
| 21:52:45 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:04 black chat[954]: send (^M) |
| 21:52:45 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:04 black chat[954]: expect (ogin:) |
| 21:52:47 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:04 black chat[954]: ^M |
| 21:52:49 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:04 black chat[954]: Syntax error: "(" unexpected^M |
| 21:52:52 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:07 black chat[954]: alarm |
| 21:52:54 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:07 black chat[954]: Failed |
| 21:52:57 | ducttape | Jul 8 22:41:08 black pppd[952]: Exit. |
| 21:53:34 | ducttape | this is more like it |
| 21:53:38 | ducttape | Modem hangup |
| 21:56:37 | ducttape | ooh, if I do pon ipaq i get |
| 21:56:46 | ducttape | LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests |
| 21:57:20 | Kero | timeout usually means ppp_async is not loaded on iPAQ. |
| 21:57:58 | ducttape | ppp_async 7152 0 |
| 21:57:59 | ducttape | ppp_generic 18032 0 [ppp_async] |
| 21:58:48 | Kero | then there is the whole host of options like local, nocrtscts, lock... |
| 21:58:56 | ducttape | argh! |
| 21:59:02 | ducttape | whats your config files? |
| 21:59:35 | sjohnson | ducttape: |
| 21:59:36 | sjohnson | -detach |
| 21:59:36 | sjohnson | local |
| 21:59:36 | sjohnson | defaultroute |
| 21:59:36 | sjohnson | nocrtscts |
| 21:59:36 | sjohnson | lock |
| 21:59:38 | sjohnson | lcp-echo-interval 5 |
| 21:59:40 | sjohnson | lcp-echo-failure 3 |
| 21:59:42 | sjohnson | /dev/ttySA0 |
| 21:59:44 | sjohnson | 115200 |
| 21:59:54 | sjohnson | That's what should be on the ipaq side. |
| 22:00:01 | ducttape | on which machine is that? |
| 22:00:08 | ducttape | ok |
| 22:00:25 | Kero | add 'asyncmap 0' |
| 22:00:25 | sjohnson | This is my /etc/ppp/peers/ipaq file |
| 22:00:27 | sjohnson | -detach |
| 22:00:27 | sjohnson | proxyarp |
| 22:00:27 | sjohnson | noauth |
| 22:00:27 | sjohnson | nocrtscts |
| 22:00:27 | sjohnson | lock |
| 22:00:28 | sjohnson | connect '/usr/sbin/chat -v -t3 ogin--ogin: ppp' |
| 22:00:30 | sjohnson | /dev/ttyS0 |
| 22:00:32 | sjohnson | 115200 |
| 22:00:34 | sjohnson | 192.168.1.2:192.168.1.1 |
| 22:01:57 | Kero | sjohnson: looks fine :) |
| 22:02:38 | sjohnson | It should be. I spent enough time debugging it. :) |
| 22:02:57 | Kero | sjohnson: so you, too... |
| 22:03:32 | ducttape | Well FUCK ME IT WORKS! |
| 22:03:42 | Kero | has a trick: connect "chat -v -t3 '' '' ogin: ppp" |
| 22:03:46 | Kero | saves three seconds :) |
| 22:03:49 | sjohnson | Kero: I was the one who figured out that we needed ppp 2.4.1 when we moved beyoudn the easly 2.4.1 kernels on the ipaq. |
| 22:04:07 | Kero | sjohnson: I'm the one that made the ppp package that's in 0.5.3 |
| 22:04:39 | ducttape | lol |
| 22:04:40 | sjohnson | Kero: Well, I'm the one... On that's enough of that. :) |
| 22:05:05 | Kero | sjohnson: yes, we're both happy it works, I guess :) |
| 22:05:27 | Kero | will point ppl with nasty questions about ppp to sjohnson, now :) |
| 22:05:39 | Kero | you'll have to hold the fort while I'm on holiday :) |
| 22:05:43 | sjohnson | Yes. But I also find out what a PITA cross compiling the ppp package is. |
| 22:06:32 | Kero | ConfigOpts = "--host=arm-linux --prefix=/usr" |
| 22:06:32 | Kero | aMkeCommand = 'CC="arm-linux-gcc -I ~/iPAQ/handhelds-cvs/kernel/include/" make' |
| 22:06:33 | sjohnson | Kero: Phhhpt. I'll return the favor in the future. |
| 22:07:03 | Kero | not too bad to X compile |
| 22:07:39 | ducttape | decides time is now to download task-complete |
| 22:08:23 | sjohnson | ducttape: Go get some cofee and a good book to read. War and Peace shoud be just about long enough... |
| 22:08:40 | ducttape | sjohnson: ??? why I have adsl! |
| 22:09:23 | sjohnson | ducttape: ppp's the bottleneck. 115200 baud is around 1K second xfer rate. |
| 22:10:22 | ducttape | ah |
| 22:10:22 | ducttape | ok |
| 22:10:33 | Kero | 5kB/s for me, usually higher over ppp |
| 22:10:39 | ducttape | well problem is I don't have direct connection from the ipaq to the net |
| 22:10:52 | ducttape | so I need to somehow work out how to download it all |
| 22:12:34 | sjohnson | ducttape: You can create your own local feed. Just download he feed to your local machine and point a swev server at it. |
| 22:13:08 | sjohnson | ducttape: Sorry about my calculate. My lunch caffience is wearing off. |
| 22:13:23 | ducttape | swev? |
| 22:13:31 | sjohnson | ...point a web server at it. |
| 22:14:01 | ducttape | hold on I can do this with ssh portforwarding |
| 22:15:24 | sjohnson | ducttape: You don't need port forwarding. Just download the feeds diretory to your desktop machine. Then you just need to edit the /etc/ipkg.conf file to point to your local machince. |
| 22:15:41 | ducttape | sjohnson: thats going to be a lot to download! |
| 22:16:36 | sjohnson | ducttape: Or you can masuaqerade your ppp connections. |
| 22:16:48 | ducttape | sjohnson: I don't have masq installed in the kernel! |
| 22:17:00 | sjohnson | On your desktop machine? |
| 22:17:26 | ducttape | yes |
| 22:18:02 | sjohnson | Ah. Well then I would suggest just to download the feed directory that the 'src' like in /etc/ipkg.conf is pointing to. |
| 22:18:30 | ducttape | thats a biiiig directory! |
| 22:18:58 | | sjohnson: i'm not following you... |
| 22:18:58 | sjohnson | ibot: masquerade |
| 22:19:03 | | sjohnson: i'm not following you... |
| 22:19:03 | sjohnson | ibot: masq |
| 22:19:08 | | sjohnson: what? |
| 22:19:08 | sjohnson | ibot: nat |
| 22:19:21 | | sjohnson: excuse me? |
| 22:19:21 | sjohnson | ibot: sometimes you're usless |
| 22:21:33 | sjohnson | ducttape: Read this page. It will give you the connecting to internet howto's |
| 22:21:36 | sjohnson | http://handhelds.org/z/wiki/IPMasqHowto |
| 22:21:52 | ducttape | tis too much effort, am going to download them all |
| 22:23:06 | ducttape | ARGH! |
| 22:24:52 | sjohnson | ducttape: I'm headed home. I'll be back later. |
| 22:31:46 | ducttape | I am getting loads of errors now |
| 22:33:22 | ducttape | anyone here? |
| 23:10:52 | ducttape | anyone here? |