| 09:37:20 | CraHan | ok |
| 09:37:31 | CraHan | weirdest thing with familar 5.3 |
| 09:37:44 | CraHan | when I run ipkg with an option on the serial console |
| 09:37:48 | CraHan | it locks up |
| 12:55:24 | y1 | is away: i'm away from the computer rightnow... |
| 15:02:47 | pepe_el_borracho | hello there |
| 15:03:18 | pepe_el_borracho | error |
| 15:26:36 | pepe_el_borracho | hello |
| 15:27:19 | pepe_el_borracho | do any of you think our problems setting up the bahia network driver because of using familiar 0.5.3 instead of an older version?? |
| 16:13:18 | KBW | Hi - could anyone here help me with a problem with familiar and ramfs at all? |
| 16:14:23 | primal39 | KBW: you can always ask... |
| 16:15:02 | KBW | Am I correct in thinking that the ramfs partition mounted as tmpfs should resize in accordance with space demands of the storage partition? Because it isn't |
| 16:15:32 | primal39 | yes it should |
| 16:15:54 | KBW | Do you know of any reason why it wouldn't? |
| 16:16:21 | primal39 | how do you know it isn't ? |
| 16:16:50 | primal39 | did you create a dir somewhere in the ramfs and start dumping files to it, only to run out of space? |
| 16:17:07 | KBW | Because I get 'no more space on device' when installing packages and the ramfs partition size is constant |
| 16:17:16 | primal39 | that's how it should be |
| 16:17:25 | primal39 | the root partition is mounted on you ROM |
| 16:17:39 | primal39 | the tmpfs is mounted in your RAM |
| 16:17:46 | KBW | Ah - right |
| 16:20:13 | KBW | So I have 16Mb of each (ipaq 3630) one mounted as /dev/mtdblock/1 and the other as tmpfs |
| 16:20:58 | primal39 | if you have a 3630, shouldn't you have 32MB of each? isn't the 3635 the one with 16 ROM and 32MB Ram? |
| 16:21:09 | primal39 | but yes, that's right nonetheless |
| 16:22:56 | KBW | primal29: Sorry - I'm right and wrong - it 16Mb ROM, 32Mb RAM - some early ones has 32Mb ROM as well - but this was due to a shortage of 16Mb ROMs |
| 16:23:43 | primal39 | KBW: I know, I have one :-) |
| 16:24:08 | KBW | :) |
| 16:24:29 | primal39 | I will say that the 32MB of rom is so nice because space is no longer an issue. |
| 16:24:44 | KBW | ATM then I only have a total of 32Mb combined between the 2 partitions - should I be able to conjure another 16Mb from somewhere? |
| 16:25:16 | KBW | primal39: I know what you mean my brother has 3660 and is quite happy with WinCE - it's a shame |
| 16:25:22 | primal39 | no....you are forgetting that the ipaq needs some actual physical ram... which is where your other 16MB is at |
| 16:28:46 | KBW | Hmmm, this could be an issue then because I can't fit the software I want into just 16Mb |
| 16:32:38 | primal39 | KBW: I know. the only way I found around it was to use a CF card, mounted with packages installed there.... |
| 16:33:01 | KBW | primal39: Lucky I've got one :) |
| 16:33:14 | primal39 | keep familiar base in ROM, and install everything else on CF would work, of course, that requires the expansion pack to be productive |
| 16:37:20 | KBW | Time to play I think |
| 16:39:27 | Kybernetos | Anyone know the progress of familiar on xscale? =) |
| 16:39:49 | KBW | BTW, are there any other decent window managers apart from those listed on the familiar website? |
| 16:40:06 | Kybernetos | KBW: fluxbox? |
| 16:40:21 | Kybernetos | an extended blackbox |
| 16:41:28 | KBW | goes to have a look at fluxbox |
| 17:10:52 | Kybernetos | has anyone played with the idea of scaling the entire screen to provide virtual 640x480, or just scaling the images/table/frame sizes to make surfing & similar easier in ipaq linux? |
| 17:16:21 | Kybernetos | aah fbvnc, never mind... |
| 18:22:20 | Kybernetos | hmm anyone know if there are any advantages of say, an ipaq 3850 versus an ipaq 3660? memory bandwidth, etc? |
| 18:26:12 | primal39 | Kybernetos: the only thing I can think of would be bluetooth and more rom |
| 18:27:44 | Kybernetos | ok, thanks |
| 18:28:11 | Kybernetos | since I can get a 36xx for half the price of a 38xx, that's a good thing... |
| 18:32:04 | primal39 | Kybernetos: no, I meant that the 3850 has those things over the 36xx |
| 18:34:47 | Kybernetos | yeah |
| 18:34:56 | Kybernetos | hmm there are so many models X) |
| 18:35:23 | Kybernetos | but there are older ipaqs with 16 bit color & 32 rom/64 ram that are alot cheaper |
| 18:35:31 | primal39 | Kybernetos: the biggest thing I would look for is the amount of ROM |
| 18:36:06 | primal39 | 32MB of rom is a lot handier than only 16, especially if you plan on installing familiar and X |
| 18:36:49 | Kybernetos | yupp, kinda assumed that. =) that's why i'm only looking for models with 16bit/32 mb/64 mb. |
| 18:37:27 | Kybernetos | I'm amazed they squeezed a base linux system with X into even 32 mb rom |
| 18:38:57 | primal39 | the color issue, while it would benice to have 16bit, it really isn't that much different than 12 |
| 18:39:18 | primal39 | but the ROM is |
| 18:39:41 | Kybernetos | ok |
| 18:39:44 | primal39 | you can install a working, usable, basic PDA into 16. but if you want games and neater apps, you'll want 32 |
| 18:39:52 | Kybernetos | aren't there any emulators for ipaq's btw? ;) |
| 18:40:09 | Kybernetos | won't get the $$ to buy one for almost 2 months =( |
| 18:40:45 | Kybernetos | primal39: thanks for the info |
| 18:42:04 | primal39 | no problem |
| 18:47:32 | oweihj | im trying to switch my wireless driver from the orinoco_cs driver to another driver... the way i have done this in the past is to rebuild pcmcia... the problem is there seems to be no /usr/src/linux directory on the ipaq |
| 18:55:21 | Kybernetos | oweihj: maybe you have to download the kernel source separately? =) |
| 18:55:42 | Kybernetos | I don't really know though - haven't bought an IPAQ yet ;) |
| 18:57:58 | sjohnson | oweihj: You don't have to rebuilt pcmcia to switch drivers. You just need to modify the /etc/pcmcic/config file or another *.conf file that has your network lcard listed. |
| 19:04:25 | oweihj | sjohnson: put where and how do you actually compile the driver?\ |
| 19:04:39 | oweihj | sjohnson: but |
| 19:11:18 | sjohnson | oweihj: What driver are your trying to compile? The familiar feeds have compiled drivers for most cards already. |
| 19:12:21 | oweihj | sjohnson: its called mwavelan_cs - from a guy at UMD |
| 19:13:18 | sjohnson | oweihj: Is that the same as wavlan_cs ? |
| 19:13:51 | sjohnson | oweihj: You can get the kernel sources from handhelds.org CVS. |
| 19:13:59 | | sources are all in picogui.org's CVS. the Wiki on picogui.org has info on building it |
| 19:13:59 | sjohnson | ibot: sources? |
| 19:14:06 | oweihj | sjohnson: no, its different, its based on wavelan2_cs |
| 19:14:06 | | sjohnson: huh? |
| 19:14:06 | sjohnson | ibot: source code |
| 19:14:20 | | sjohnson: what? |
| 19:14:20 | sjohnson | ibot: source code |
| 19:14:39 | sjohnson | oweihj: The hh.org cvs is at http://handhelds.org/sources.html |
| 19:15:11 | oweihj | sjohnson: so i download the linux kernel source... or the familiar source? |
| 19:16:03 | sjohnson | oweihj: The bulk of Familiar is taken from Debian ARM .debs. Sources for other pirces are in hh.org CVS and other places. |
| 19:29:35 | Kybernetos | |tobias(~/src/linux-2.4.18/arch/arm)$ |
| 19:29:43 | Kybernetos | eh, it's a part of the official kernel? =D |
| 19:46:30 | sjohnson | Kybernetos: The handhelds.org kernel is more bleeding edge. A lot of patches are sent upstream to Russel King |
| 19:46:51 | Kybernetos | sjohnson: ok |
| 19:47:53 | sjohnson | Kybernetos: The krnel that is in use in Familiar is 2.4.18-rmk3-hh12 |
| 19:49:45 | Kybernetos | http://awoot.com/ipaq/ipaqimages/screenshots/large/ipaq_gimpstartup.jpg <- lol |
| 19:50:13 | Kybernetos | sjohnson: cool =) |
