| 07:28:34 | vvikram | hi |
| 07:28:44 | vvikram | anybody around....? |
| 07:44:33 | equinoxe | hello ! |
| 07:46:55 | equinoxe | hello Kommppo |
| 07:53:02 | Kommppo | hello |
| 07:55:11 | equinoxe | i have a problem with familiar 0.6pre1 (ipaq 3760) and my linux box running kernel 2.4.19rc3. I can't use usbnet i have errors on link !!! any ideas ? |
| 08:09:06 | Kommppo | no, sorry. I use dlink's network card |
| 08:09:22 | equinoxe | you are lucky ;-) |
| 08:09:39 | Kommppo | Has nothing to do with luck =) |
| 08:09:54 | equinoxe | ;-) |
| 08:24:42 | Heady | Is it possible to dual boot familar & PocketPC? |
| 08:39:15 | Jusii | should be, go to http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HandheldsWiki and type dual boot into search box |
| 08:40:58 | Heady | Understood - thanks Jusii |
| 08:41:07 | Jusii | np |
| 08:52:56 | Heady | Jusii: I have just read-up on dual booting & they say that boot loader 2.18.16 will allow this for ipaq 36xx - but 38xx isn't supported yet - do you know where I could go to find more information about the bootloader? |
| 08:56:50 | Jusii | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/BootLoader |
| 09:02:33 | Heady | Jusii: I have had a look through the wiki - but I havn't found any info as to why dual booting is not yet supported on the H38xx |
| 09:04:45 | Jusii | I think Jamey would be able to answer |
| 09:04:48 | Heady | Jusii: another thing - on the Wilki they refer to hh11 - I thought that familiar superceded hhxx ? |
| 09:10:30 | Heady | Now I'm even more confused - on the H3800 status page it refers to kernels like 2.4.16-hh10? |
| 09:17:11 | Jusii | don't mix distribution name with kernel version names |
| 09:18:18 | Heady | oh - ok |
| 09:18:58 | Jusii | example familiar 0.5.3 uses kernel 2.4.18-rmk3_hh12 |
| 09:19:17 | Heady | ok |
| 09:20:01 | Heady | I read somewhere that compaq was using familar as thier official dist - instead of thier original hhxx dist - is that correct? |
| 09:21:59 | Jusii | as far as I know, but have to say that I've been like 1.5 years away from iPAQ and linux stuff. |
| 09:22:27 | Heady | well - I'm just starting - so we're about even :) |
| 09:22:36 | Heady | in fact I don't even have a ipaq yet |
| 09:22:42 | Heady | will be getting one this week |
| 09:23:05 | Heady | just doing research before I part with my cash ;-) |
| 09:25:14 | equinoxe__ | i have an ipaq with familiar + opie, it's a good choice ;-))) |
| 09:25:38 | Heady | equinoxe__: which ipaq |
| 09:28:56 | Heady | I was looking at getting a H3870 - but I'm not sure of what other extra's I need |
| 09:29:13 | equinoxe__ | a 3760, oldest but cheaper.... |
| 09:29:47 | Heady | well - I cannot find any in the shops here - all they have is the 38xx models |
| 09:34:38 | equinoxe__ | i think that it's too late i bought mine last month |
| 09:39:24 | Heady | equinoxe__: do you know what extra's would be useful? |
| 09:40:15 | Heady | I was going to get more ROM |
| 09:40:46 | Heady | but am unsure whether to get SD-card or a sleave (CF/PCMCIA) and do it that way |
| 09:46:00 | equinoxe__ | i have only cf sleeve on mine |
| 09:46:46 | Kommppo | imo if you want it to do anything useful, you need sleeve |
| 09:47:07 | Kommppo | that is, you can then have networking |
| 09:47:27 | Heady | equinoxe__: does the cf-sleave have an extra battery? |
| 09:48:17 | Kommppo | yep |
| 09:49:31 | Heady | Does that battery suplament the internal ipaq battery or is it seperate just to run the sleave? |
| 09:49:48 | Heady | I asked the salesman today & he didn't have a clue |
| 09:50:01 | Kommppo | it's for both |
| 09:50:44 | Heady | ok - so I expect that to be the case with the single/dual pcmcia sleave? |
| 09:51:14 | Kommppo | atleast dual. |
| 09:51:29 | Jusii | hmm, CF-sleeve has now battery also? I thought PCMCIA-sleeve only had that. |
| 09:51:55 | Kommppo | Ah, i meant that one. The pcmcia one. |
| 09:52:06 | Kommppo | sory |
| 09:52:14 | Heady | Kommppo: do you know much about th dual pcmcia sleave? |
| 09:52:21 | Jusii | dual sleeve has bigger battery also, correct me if I'm wrong |
| 09:53:09 | Heady | I think so - but am unsure - compaq's websit doesnt explian it correctly |
| 09:53:19 | Kommppo | Heady: Well, i use it every day at work. I've got network adapter, wlan adapter and cf card in it (not simultaneusly =). It works quite good, but bugs sometimes (when inserting/removing cards on the fly) |
| 09:53:22 | equinoxe__ | simple cf sleeve as no battery |
| 09:54:10 | Heady | does the dual-pcmcia sleave come with a cf-card adaptor? |
| 09:54:30 | Kommppo | Heady: i dont think so.. |
| 09:55:04 | Jusii | it actually does |
| 09:55:06 | Heady | how do you get the cf-card in it then? |
| 09:55:15 | Jusii | I was suprised when opened the box |
| 09:55:28 | Jusii | single PCMCIA-sleeve didn't come with one |
| 09:55:47 | Jusii | but they are cheap if have to buy PCMCIA-CF adapter |
| 09:55:56 | Heady | so the cf-card adaptor is a pcmcia card? |
| 09:56:03 | Jusii | yes |
| 09:56:36 | Heady | so really you only get 1 usable pcmcia slot with cf-card in? |
| 09:56:39 | Jusii | cf card is just a card which uses 50 pins from pcmcia's 68 pins |
| 09:57:19 | Jusii | what do you mean? cf-card takes one PCMCIA-slot when in use |
| 09:58:17 | Heady | The compaq website is not very clear - they hvae munged their english - |
| 09:58:48 | Jusii | what would you expect? Marketing people has written all those :) |
| 09:59:05 | Heady | the way i read the website is that the dual pcmcia sleave comes with a pcmcia cf-card adaptor which takes one of the pcmcia slots |
| 09:59:16 | Jusii | that's true |
| 09:59:30 | Heady | bummer :( |
| 09:59:35 | Jusii | why? |
| 09:59:58 | Jusii | you get 2 pcmcia-slots and can use those slots for cf-cards also, choice is yours |
| 10:00:46 | Heady | well I was hoping that they would have had the cf-card slot integrated into the sleave - not as an adaptor |
| 10:02:04 | Heady | how thick is the dual slot sleave? |
| 10:02:25 | Jusii | I like it that way, now I can choose. can have 2 pcmcia cards, 2 cf cards or 1 pcmcia and 1 cf card at the same time |
| 10:03:06 | Heady | understood - I'll probabily get to like it as well once I start using it :-) |
| 10:04:42 | Heady | do you guys use a keyboard - or just the built in xsketch/keyboard? |
| 10:04:48 | Jusii | when dual pcmcia sleeve is in place, it's about 2.5 times thicker than plain iPAQ |
| 10:05:40 | Heady | still usable as a PDA in that config? |
| 10:06:38 | Heady | & is there a case for that config ? |
| 10:07:08 | Heady | sorry for the Q's - just trying to sort everything out |
| 10:07:38 | Jusii | I'll try my case it it fits, just shutting down my iPAQ |
| 10:08:08 | Heady | thanks |
| 10:09:11 | Provito | Hi all |
| 10:09:27 | Heady | you would think that compaq or some of the retailers would have all this type of information - but not even the salesman know |
| 10:09:28 | Provito | Can a dual boot from expansion cf and internal rom be done ? |
| 10:09:29 | Jusii | not with my case, this seems to just for plain iPAQ |
| 10:09:37 | Heady | Gday Provito |
| 10:09:41 | Provito | hi Heady |
| 10:10:01 | Provito | Heady: i've got a ipaq 3600 and an avid linux fan/debian and can't wait to get it on it |
| 10:10:07 | Provito | however I need to know what gear I need to buy |
| 10:10:08 | Heady | I think so - I have been reading these pages: |
| 10:10:28 | Heady | Provito: I have been asking the same Qs |
| 10:10:30 | Provito | I assume a cf expansion sleeve? perhaps with a 1gb microdrive. As I'd need to flash the current gah wince os |
| 10:10:34 | Heady | http://linux.blacknet.de/ipaq/ |
| 10:10:55 | Provito | Heady: do you know whether I can boot directly from a cf or microdrive bypassing the internal rom |
| 10:11:02 | Provito | hence a dual boot system which would be nice |
| 10:11:21 | Heady | Not sure - I'm researching the topic as well |
| 10:11:42 | Provito | Heady: perhaps I could install grub and choose between roms |
| 10:11:51 | Heady | Jusii: , Kommppo, & equinoxe__have been helping me |
| 10:11:52 | Provito | but I haven't experimented since i've not backed up the rom yet |
| 10:12:38 | Jusii | iPAQ has it's own bootloader, nothing like LILO or GRUB |
| 10:12:48 | Provito | can it choose between rom images ? |
| 10:13:12 | Jusii | you can boot from internal flash or from external CF/PCMCIA-card |
| 10:13:19 | Provito | sweet |
| 10:13:24 | Jusii | http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/HandheldsWiki and search for dual boot |
| 10:13:28 | Heady | I think so - there is a guy that has a couple of beta images available: |
| 10:13:31 | Provito | Jusii: thanks |
| 10:13:34 | Heady | http://linux.blacknet.de/ipaq/ |
| 10:13:57 | Provito | Jusii: what setup do you have ? what expansion options have you got |
| 10:14:05 | Provito | Jusii: if you don't mind me asking of course :) |
| 10:14:51 | Jusii | I got iPAQ 3870, single and dual pcmcia-sleeves, cf-sleeve |
| 10:15:04 | Provito | microdrive ? |
| 10:15:35 | Jusii | I got 2GB pcmcia-harddrive and at the moment 120GB ide-drive is connected through external PCMCIA-IDE box :) |
| 10:15:51 | Provito | nice |
| 10:16:04 | Provito | if you had the pcmicia sleeve why did you need the cf sleeve ? |
| 10:16:12 | Provito | when you can buy a pcmcia cf adapter |
| 10:16:14 | Heady | Jusii: how do you find the pcmcia HDD - does it have the heat problems like the microdrive? |
| 10:16:37 | Heady | shutdown/suspend issues? |
| 10:16:38 | Jusii | hmm, haven't used it a lot but nothing that i've seen |
| 10:16:58 | Jusii | Provito: it's lighter in weight |
| 10:17:00 | Heady | I was thinking of getting a 5G toshiba pcmcia HDD |
| 10:17:29 | Provito | Jusii: ahh, so using a pcmcia ide hdd can you pass parameters to the ipaq to boot it directly ? |
| 10:17:30 | Jusii | that external IDE-box is going to get installed in my car |
| 10:17:41 | Jusii | Provito: yes |
| 10:17:47 | Provito | Jusii: wow nice one |
| 10:18:17 | Heady | Jusii: for music? |
| 10:18:21 | Provito | Jusii: I have been using the m$ transcriber quite a lot and find it quite nifty |
| 10:18:23 | Jusii | yup |
| 10:18:26 | Provito | is there a nix equivalent ? |
| 10:18:41 | Jusii | what's that? |
| 10:18:56 | Kommppo | xstrok |
| 10:18:58 | Kommppo | +e |
| 10:19:06 | Kommppo | but it isn't as useful |
| 10:19:06 | Provito | you type words directly on the screen, joined up etc and it converts to text |
| 10:19:22 | Provito | takes a bit of practice but quicker than the keyboard |
| 10:19:42 | Provito | Kommppo: xstroke, nice one |
| 10:20:02 | Provito | the only thing i'm weary of is wiping the ce rom and storing it in flash |
| 10:20:27 | Provito | I've not read any docs on the amount of time that rom images can be kept for etc and data quality |
| 10:20:40 | Heady | Isn't there update images on compaq's web site? |
| 10:20:59 | Provito | hmm not that I saw |
| 10:21:09 | Provito | I've only got 1.69 revisio |
| 10:21:13 | Provito | os version 3.0 |
| 10:21:22 | Kommppo | You should back it up in your desktop |
| 10:21:42 | Provito | Kommppo: good idea |
| 10:26:16 | Heady | Just looking at the new compaq website which seems to have been activated sometime in the last few hours..... |
| 10:26:44 | Heady | the handheld section is a mess - you click on a link about the 3975 and you get info on the 3835 |
| 10:26:55 | Heady | weird... |
| 10:27:59 | Provito | id's have probably messed up |
| 10:30:53 | Heady | Jusii: which sleave do you use the most? |
| 10:41:46 | Jusii | pcmcia ones |
| 10:41:55 | Jusii | at the moment dual |
| 10:42:02 | Heady | Jusii: dual or single? |
| 10:42:07 | Heady | thanks |
| 10:43:00 | Heady | I have just found a white paper on the old compaq website detailing the batteries in the ipaq & single/dual pcmcia sleaves |
| 10:44:09 | Heady | The sleaves only trickle charge the internal battery at about 100mAh if & only if the internal voltage is smaller than the sleave voltage |
| 10:44:49 | Jusii | oh, good to know |
| 10:45:14 | Heady | AFAIK - this would only happen if the pcmcia cards are not pulling too heavily from the sleave battery |
| 10:45:57 | Heady | so moderate drain on the sleave battery would mean that a trickle charge exists and the internal battery gets topped up |
| 10:46:25 | Heady | heavy drain on the sleave battery would mean no trickle charge |
| 10:49:21 | equinoxe__ | i can't succeed to configure usb link between my ipaq under familiar 0.6 and my linux box running kernel 2.4.19. Can you help me ? |
| 10:52:19 | Heady | equinoxe__: unfortunately - probabily not but - give the details and someine might |
| 10:53:55 | equinoxe__ | i can mount the usb0 interface on my linux box and the usbf on ipaq, but when i want to test link (ping ssh ...) i have a lot of timeouts and my ipaq freeze.... I have a sis chipset on my PC ( CM: Asus A7A266) |
| 10:54:26 | equinoxe__ | i think usb-net or usbnet is buggy... |
| 10:56:03 | Heady | do you have another usb device? |
| 10:56:14 | Heady | like a camera? |
| 10:56:54 | equinoxe__ | yes an epson scanner a flash reader and a webcam |
| 10:57:22 | Heady | can you mount the flash reader on the desktop? |
| 10:57:47 | equinoxe__ | yes everything is ok exept ipaq |
| 10:58:07 | Heady | can the ipaq mount it? |
| 10:59:22 | equinoxe__ | ? you ipaq isn't usb host |
| 10:59:47 | Heady | ok - didn't realise |
| 11:00:24 | Jusii | did you load the usb-modules before pluggin usb cord? |
| 11:00:40 | Heady | all I was trying to do was step through this logically & I was trying to cross off one set of varables |
| 11:01:46 | equinoxe__ | no but there is nothing in usbcord ! all electronics are in ipaq |
| 11:02:32 | Jusii | yes, but what I was after is that you should load the modules before connecting it to desktop, but you apparently did it that way |
| 11:03:56 | equinoxe__ | yes i think that there is a bug usbnet module with my ALI1535 chipset.... |
| 18:58:34 | nikitas | hey! :-) |
| 19:04:08 | ipl31 | hello |
| 19:18:35 | nikitas | are you still there? :-) |
| 19:19:39 | ipl31 | yep |
| 19:19:40 | ipl31 | hehe |
| 19:20:00 | ipl31 | Was wondering what is required to install with USB cradle only |
| 19:20:53 | nikitas | i think there is relevant page on the wiki...maybe you want to check it out :-) |
| 19:21:21 | ipl31 | oh cool there is a wikki |
| 19:21:42 | nikitas | yeah, i think it's http://www.handhleds.org/z/wiki |
| 19:22:50 | ipl31 | hmm for some reason I never came across the wikki before, must be tired. thanks |
| 19:23:29 | Jusii | is it really possible to install other than bootloader with USB? |
| 19:24:53 | ipl31 | http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/handhelds/2000-July/000643.html |
| 21:31:37 | nikitas | hi there! :-) |
| 22:04:48 | irc | hi |
| 23:00:40 | Dunno | hello |