irclog2html for familiar on 2002.08.23

04:31:35CapnMattis away: sleep
05:29:54FR^2Good morning...
06:23:46v3Anyone ever install SuSE Linux 8.0 ??? Just got it to install in my Linuxbox..  Is this a good system as compared to Redhat?  Just curious...
06:25:50FR^2v3: SuSE Linux aims to be easy to use for newbies to linux.
06:26:53v3Oh.. Cool, I am fairly new so thats "I think" good...  Can it do all that Linux has to offer?
06:27:25v3Seems very graphical..!
06:27:40v3But I'll be mostly in a shell so I wont see much...
06:31:14v3Just dont want to have something nifty and neat to show off but cant load/program/edit/hack/ etc... at all.. This is why I'm puttin it together... :)
06:33:45Burner23v3: Try Suse if you are a newbie, use RedHat after that to understand a little more and decide later to use Debian :)
06:34:15erwanv3: try mandrake also, very useable ! 9.0 will be out in 2-3 weeks.
06:34:19Burner23It is nice for the first steps in the new Linuxworld :)
06:34:44erwanBurner23: What ?
06:34:48v3Oh man.. should of come here before buying.. hehe!  Put only $39.00 into it so no big.. 3 disks.
06:35:00v3Cool
06:35:01Burner23I tried Mandrake 7. Looked nice, but was a newbie.
06:35:29erwanBurner23: 7 ! that's too old ! Mandrakesoft has made lot's of improval in its distro
06:35:31v3I had trouble with Mandrake 7 2 years ago and didnt want to go that route
06:35:47Burner23I know but some years ago Mandrake 7 was new :)
06:35:49v3I still am newbie and it was very hard with all the errors.
06:35:53erwanv3: What kind of troubles ?
06:36:09v3Just many module type errors, etc..
06:36:20erwanFR^2: hi
06:36:24v3It was long ago.. I try to forget bad experiences.. lol
06:36:38erwanv3: ok...
06:37:10v3I can do all my IPAQ stuff on it (in shell, etc) right?
06:37:25erwan?
06:37:41v3Funny though... I noticed that the Kernal on this one is 2.4.18 also.. ha!
06:38:18v3What I mean is, I can open a window and use utilities available, and the "man" etc. right?
06:38:38erwanv3: on the IPAQ under Linux ?
06:39:07v3Oh,.. sorry.  I mean compiling and working on software for my ipaq.. supporting it per-say..
06:40:08v3Do you think this version has compilers, etc that can handle compiling sources, etc???
06:40:30erwanv3: if you want to build application for your ipaq you should have a "cross compilation" on your X86 system, then upload it to your iapq
06:40:35erwans/iapq/ipaq
06:41:06FR^2erwan: Familiar Linux v5.3 is now on my Ipaq.
06:41:55erwanFR^2: realy ? what was the problem ?
06:42:30v3Ok, thanks.. I'll get back on topic.  Thanks for the info guys!
06:42:38FR^2erwan: I don't know... I tried it several times to upload the v6 root filesystem, but I never succeeded.
06:43:33FR^2erwan: What Options to upload and install further packages on the ipaq do I have? USBnet, ppp over serial and (if I had one on my ipaq) via ethernet card
06:44:00erwanFR^2: opie of course !
06:44:26erwanFR^2: have you made an md5sum on the image i've told you to download ?
06:44:45erwanbecause familiar 0.6.1 + opie really rox !
06:45:03v3One more question for you guys.. Is there a "jflash" utility made to run in Windows Environ?
06:45:19FR^2erwan: Yes, the md5sum was correct.
06:45:19erwanv3: jflash ?
06:46:04v3http://www.handhelds.org/pub/jtag/
06:46:30v3jflash for installing your own bootloaders, etc..
06:47:37erwanv3: do you have the jtag cable ?
06:47:54v3Nope.  Gonna build.. You have?
06:48:07v3Do you know where I can get schems?
06:49:37erwanv3: http://www.lart.tudelft.nl/projects/jtag/
06:49:59erwanv3: http://www.intel.com/design/strong/swsup/downloads/SA1110JFlashKit_V12.htm
06:51:14v3Cool!  Ok, question:  Whats LART??  Where would you hookup to ipaq?
06:54:12erwanFR^2: really strange
06:54:44v3Ok, I see where its plugged into the computer, parall port but where does it go into my 3835?
06:54:52FR^2erwan: I am just trying it again. Maybe now it will work, who knows...
06:59:13erwanv3: http://www.handhelds.org/pipermail/bootldr/2002-June/001195.html
07:03:00v3Ok, thanks.  I'll check it out.
07:03:15v3Appreciated!
07:26:08erwanFR^2: status ?
07:34:14FR^2erwan: Didn't succeed... The Ipaq shows random dots on its display
07:38:42FR^2But Familiar 5.3 is still working.
07:41:23FR^2erwan: Now trying with Version v06-7
07:42:06Burner230.6-7 ??
07:42:12Burner23is there a new version ?
07:42:16FR^2Burner23: Prereleas
07:42:17FR^2Burner23: Prerelease
07:42:31FR^2http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-pre1/install/H3100/bootopie-v06-7-h3100.jffs2
07:42:33Burner23you mean pre-pre-relaese :)
07:42:47FR^2Burner23: :-))
07:42:48Burner23for the 3100??
07:43:02FR^2Burner23: Is there anything I should know about?
07:44:02Burner23hmm I own a 3630 and am intrested in doing some development with the new opie.
07:44:12Burner23not opie.
07:44:15Burner23familiar :)
07:44:33Burner23reading and writing in one step is not always productive :)
07:49:29FR^2Burner23: I didn't have any success uploading the v6-8 opie root fs
08:25:08erwanFR^2: status ?
09:20:22a5hi need some help with my ipaqq please
09:26:28FR^2erwan: Version 6.7 didn't succeed either.. I'm giving up and stick to Version 5.3
09:28:13FR^2erwan: But I don't really know how to upload further packages, e.g. XFree etc.
09:30:38a5his ne one willing to help me or wat
09:33:15FR^2a5h: "i need some help" doesn't give us any clue, what your problem is and therefore we cannot help you unless you describe it.
11:34:42erwanFR^2: There's no need about Xfree is you want to use opie
11:41:01FR^2erwan: Well... I do want to use some graphic user interface... opie failes to install
11:46:13erwanFR^2: what have you done ?
11:47:08erwanFR^2: does the network works from your ipaq ?
11:47:44FR^2erwan: I never succeeded in uploading the root fs of version 6
11:47:56erwanFR^2: ok but you can install it late
11:48:00erwans/late/later
11:48:24erwanIf you network works, i can give you the commands for installing opie
11:49:18FR^2erwan: Networking via usb didn't work.
11:49:39erwanWhy ?
11:53:01erwanFR^2: ifconfig usbf doesn't work on your ipaq ?
11:53:31FR^2erwan: I don't know why... the usbf interface was up and running on the ipaq and usb0 up and running on my pc, but no ping came through and ssh connects timed out, although I made sure sshd was running and accepting connections on the ipaq
11:53:40erwanFR^2: on mine, i need to replug my ipaq in my craddle when it's booted else the usb network doesn't works
11:54:34erwanFR^2: please send the full ifconfig output of both.
13:47:24BulwinkleHowdy all, anyone gotten bluetooth to work on a 3870?
13:50:09Bulwinkle: i'm not following you...
13:50:09Bulwinkleibot bluetooth
14:05:26Bulwinkleibot  help
14:05:40Bulwinkle?
14:05:40Bulwinkleibot ?
14:06:23Bulwinkle: excuse me?
14:06:23Bulwinkleibot how do I configure bluetooth
14:07:50i don't know, bulwinkle
14:07:50Bulwinkleibot where can I find bluetooth
14:07:55Burner23: i'm not following you...
14:07:55Burner23ibot bluetooth
14:08:02Burner23hehe
14:08:18Burner23Bulwinkle: checkout the howtos on www.handhelds.org
14:08:43Bulwinkleokay
14:08:46Bulwinklethanks
14:29:08FR^2rehi...
14:29:10FR^2never touch a running system :-(
14:35:14erwanFR^2: ?
14:45:04FR^2erwan: I was trying to update the kernel sources via rpm and had to update modutils... but the modutils package I installed is broken, so I had some problems on my PC :-)
14:45:28FR^2erwan: Now I will paste the outputs of ifconfig on ipaq and on the pc
14:47:00FR^2ifconfig usb0 on the pc:
14:47:11FR^2usb0      Protokoll:Ethernet  Hardware Adresse 12:C3:A6:9F:DE:4A
14:47:11FR^2          inet Adresse:1.1.1.2  Bcast:1.255.255.255  Maske:255.255.255.0
14:47:11FR^2          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
14:47:11FR^2          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
14:47:11FR^2          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
14:47:11FR^2          Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:100
14:47:13FR^2          RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
14:47:30FR^2ifconfig usbf on the ipaq running familiar 5.3
14:47:32FR^2usbf      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr C8:52:46:72:39:B0
14:47:33FR^2          inet addr:1.1.1.1  Mask:255.255.255.0
14:47:33FR^2          UP RUNNING  MTU:1500  Metric:1
14:47:33FR^2          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
14:47:33FR^2          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
14:47:33FR^2          collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
14:47:36FR^2          RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
14:53:57erwanFR^2: ifconfig usbf up
14:55:29FR^2erwan: And then? No output...
14:57:04FR^2erwan: Could the capturefile by ethereal from usb0 during a try to slogin to the ipaq help you?
14:59:46FR^2Strange...
15:00:34FR^2the analysed protocol of usb0 says, the ping was sent to 1.1.1.1 and the answere was sent back, correctly. Hmm.
15:02:07Bulwinklehas anyone gotten a SD card to work on an iPaq 38XX?
15:02:54FR^2Oh, am I stupid!!!! I didn't correct the iptables for the new network.... everything coming from 1.1.1.1 was being rejected!
15:03:40FR^2erwan: Networking via usb works now.
15:07:27FR^2erwan: masquerading the ipaq connection to the internet works now, too.
15:08:12BulwinkleI can't find any howtos or FAQs on getting either Bluetooth or SD cards running, anyone around that can help?
15:13:08sj-workBulwinkle: I can help with the second. SD cards do not work.
15:14:57sjohnsonBulwinkle: For Bluetooth, Familiar uses the Blue-Z stack. Look on http://bluez.sourceforge.net/ for docs and howtos.
15:17:51erwanFR^2: add this in /etc/ipkg.conf
15:18:15erwanFR^2: src v0.6-pre1-base http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-pre1/base/armv4l
15:18:15erwansrc v0.6-pre1-x http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-pre1/x/armv4l
15:18:15erwansrc v0.6-pre1-opie http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.6-pre1/opie/armv4l
15:18:47erwanerwan: then "ipkg install task-opie-minimal"
15:19:00Bulwinkleexcellent thanks!
15:22:23FR^2erwan: Done.
15:22:37erwanFR^2: /etc/init.d/opie start
15:23:58FR^2erwan: Done.
15:24:15erwanFR^2: so ?
15:24:26erwanFR^2: is it working ?
15:25:22FR^2erwan: Starting Opie... - But nothing has changed. "ps ax" show nothing different
15:25:55erwanFR^2: reboot it !
15:30:21FR^2erwan: Done... Of course, usbnet went offline. I can see the Tux on the display, but nothing more. I'm trying to bring up usbnet again via minicom
15:31:28FR^2erwan: usb-eth is loaded, but there is no network device "usbf" or similar. ifconfig usbf <parameters> failes, of course.
15:33:13erwanFR^2: unplug and replug your ipaq
15:33:30erwanback in 2 mins
15:37:16erwanback
15:37:21erwanFR^2: is it working ?
15:38:58FR^2erwan: No
15:40:17FR^2# ifconfig usbf up 1.1.1.1 netmask 255.255.255.0
15:40:17FR^2SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device
15:40:17FR^2SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such device
15:40:49FR^2lsmod shows that usb-eth is loaded, but unused.
15:44:02erwanFR^2: i had this problem due to a wrong communication between my computer and my ipaq. i've reprobe my modules on computer side, probe them, unplug then replug my ipas in the craddle and everything is ok
15:44:16erwans/ipas/ipaq
15:49:08FR^2erwan: The problem isn't with my pc.... At the moment I can't geht the usb network working on my ipaq!
15:52:10erwanFR^2: i had the same problem and i spent many time on my ipaq whereas the problem was on the pc... but do what you want
15:53:23FR^2erwan: I did rmmod and insmod again, the pc side worked again, but there is no response from the ipaq, because there is no network device "usbf" anymore
16:03:49FR^2erwan: The problem is, I cannot use minicom and usb at the same time.. I have a serial craddle and an usb cable
16:04:10erwanFR^2: ok, mine is dual...
16:04:25erwanyou should add this
16:04:53erwaniface usbf inet static
16:04:53erwan        address 1.1.1.1
16:04:54erwan        netmask 255.255.255.0
16:04:54erwan        network 1.1.1.0
16:04:54erwan        gateway 1.1.1.2
16:04:59erwanin /etc/network/interface
16:06:12FR^2Okay, thanks
16:06:50FR^2/etc/network/interfaces ?
16:09:10erwanyep
16:11:22FR^2erwan: Thanks, now it works again
16:12:02FR^2hmm. but sshd doesn't seem to run...
16:13:29FR^2Hmm. sshd has been deinstalled... (why?) hmm.
16:14:33erwanFR^2: i'm hacked your ipaq ! :-))
16:14:42FR^2;-)
16:14:46FR^2I don't hope so...
16:15:02FR^2Maybe something went wrong with ipkg
16:15:20FR^2erwan: Is there any way to upload an ipkg-package via serial?
16:16:09erwanFR^2: maybe but don't know how to do with familiar
16:16:57FR^2Hmm. I'll try and wget with many retrys
16:20:03FR^2Grr... wget doesn't want to until there is a network running... sleep 30s && wget <blabla>...
16:20:29FR^2seems to have worked.
16:21:33erwanFR^2: funny problem... :-)
16:21:47FR^2YES! I have usb network again.. *g*
16:22:05FR^2erwan: ipkg told me, sshd was already installed... I simply reinstalled.
16:22:38FR^2erwan: So, now... is there anything I could try to get opie working?
16:23:44erwanif /etc/init.d/opie start doesn't works please ask on #opie :-)
16:24:01FR^2:-) Okay... I'll try
16:31:48FR^2Is there a way to mount the compact flash card in familiar?
16:34:43sjohnsonFR^2: Just 'mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda'
16:35:21sjohnsonIf you want to automount it you need to edit /etc/pcmcia/ide.opts if you are Fam 0.5
16:37:27FR^2mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist
16:38:08sjohnsonFR^2: It might be /dev/hdc1
16:40:36FR^2sjohnson: there is no hd* in /dev
16:42:08sjohnsonFR^2: Fam 0.5 or 0.6?
16:43:32FR^2sjohnson: I installed fam 0.53 and then upgraded to 0.6pr1 via ipkg
16:44:53sjohnsonWell. I think something got screwed up in the upgrade. pcmcia-cs in 0.6 is suppoed to automount a CF IDE device to /mnt/hda
16:45:38FR^2Hmm... this would explain some other problems, too.
16:46:11sjohnsonFR^2: What does 'cardctl ident' from a command line print?
16:46:36erwansee u, have a nice WeekEnd
16:46:44FR^2Cu, erwan
16:46:53FR^2sjohnson: Command not found...
16:47:32FR^2i installed pcmcia-cs and now it says:
16:47:40FR^2no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices
16:47:51erwanFR^2: your kernel is not pcmcia !
16:48:04sjohnsonFR^2: What does lsmod show?
16:49:00erwanFR^2: is there is no pcmcia modules in /lib/modules/<kernel>, you should install a pcmcia kernel
16:49:03erwanFR^2: bye
16:49:13FR^2less /proc/version says Linux version 2.4.18-rmk3 (jamey@rockhopper.crl.dec.com) (gcc version 2.95.2 19991024 (release))
16:49:27FR^2lsmod says nothing about anything concerning pcmcia
16:50:06sjohnsonFR^2: You might not have all of the properly kernel modules loaded. You need to have the sa1100_cs module loaded for cardmgr to start
16:51:09FR^2Hmm. insmod sa1100_cs tells me, there is no such module. Which kernel should I install?
16:52:32sjohnsonFR^2: You properly didn't get all of the kernel module ipkg's loaded.
16:53:05sjohnsonWhat does 'ipkg status | grep Pack | grep modules ' show
16:53:56FR^2Package: kernel-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
16:53:56FR^2Package: libpam-modules
16:53:56FR^2Package: ppp-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
16:53:56FR^2Package: sound-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
16:54:26FR^2I guess, ipkg install pcmcia_modules could help
16:55:08FR^2Now, modprobe sa1100_cs succeeded
16:55:35sjohnsonYou also need /etc/init.d/pcmcia start   also
16:56:45FR^2# cardctl ident
16:56:45FR^2Socket 0:
16:56:45FR^2  no product info available
16:56:46FR^2Socket 1:
16:56:46FR^2  no product info available
16:57:43sjohnsonFR^2: Remove and Reinsert the CF card.
16:59:08FR^2Hmm. Neither removing the CF card nor removing the whole jacket changed the output of cardctl ident
17:00:03sjohnsonFR^2: Do You have a module named 'h3600_generic_sleeve' loaded?
17:00:44FR^2Not yet
17:01:37FR^2:-)) Now it was recognized!
17:02:15sjohnsonFR^2: Did you reboot after upgrading to 0.6?
17:02:52FR^2sjohnson: Yes.
17:03:39FR^2sjohnson: Probably there went something wrong, but I am not "familiar" with ipkg, so I have no clue what to do.
17:04:26sjohnsonFR^2: Well the sleeve driver should have been loaded during boot.
17:04:49sjohnsonAll of the modules listed in /etc/modules shold be loaded right after the kernel is loaded.
17:06:03sjohnsonJust in case. There is a list of all of the kernel packages that I have loaded.
17:06:05sjohnsonPackage: pcmcia-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:06sjohnsonPackage: ext2-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:06sjohnsonPackage: sound-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:06sjohnsonPackage: kernel-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:06sjohnsonPackage: serial-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:06sjohnsonPackage: ppp-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:08sjohnsonPackage: ide-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:10sjohnsonPackage: vfat-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:12sjohnsonPackage: netlink-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:14sjohnsonPackage: reiserfs-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:16sjohnsonPackage: input-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:18sjohnsonPackage: prism2-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:20sjohnsonPackage: packet-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:22sjohnsonPackage: wvlan-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:24sjohnsonPackage: stowaway-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:26sjohnsonPackage: orinoco-modules-2.4.18-rmk3
17:06:38sjohnsonAnd this is my /etc/modules
17:06:51sjohnsonapm
17:06:51sjohnsonh3600_ts
17:06:51sjohnsonsa1100-rtc
17:06:51sjohnsonh3600-sleeve
17:06:51sjohnsonh3600_generic_sleeve
17:06:52sjohnsonh3600-uda1341
17:06:54sjohnsonsa1100_cs
17:09:44FR^2ide-modules was missing.
17:10:13FR^2Now it is automounted when inserting the cf card
17:11:15sjohnsonFR^2: You need to use cardctl eject 0 or Opes cardmon to eject the card prpoerly
17:11:39FR^2Thanks
17:21:18FR^2Hmm. What do I have to do to load usb-eth automatically on after booting?
17:24:22sjohnsonAdd 'alias usbf usb-eth' to /etc/modules.conf
17:25:42sjohnsonAnd then add 'ifup usbf' to a boot script.
17:27:57sjohnsonYou will also need a small resume script in /etc/resume-scripts to 'ifdown usbf' and 'ifup usbf' to make it recover after a resume.
17:38:40FR^2For now I have enough... ;-)
17:38:45FR^2Bye
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19:41:46FR^2Rehi
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