| 02:46:37 | a-jax | hey... does anyone have a compiled patched driver for orinoco gold for familiar linux? |
| 06:47:28 | erwan | hi all |
| 07:20:58 | Groucho | Hi there |
| 07:22:02 | | a7r was last seen on #handhelds.org 8 hours, 23 minutes and 3 seconds ago, saying: rise1525-2: you don't? [Sun Aug 25 23:58:59 2002] |
| 07:22:02 | Groucho | ibot: seen a7r |
| 07:22:03 | geers | hi groucho |
| 07:22:15 | Groucho | hi geers |
| 07:22:26 | geers | wassup |
| 07:22:47 | geers | anything new? |
| 07:22:51 | Groucho | I am up- up and awake |
| 07:22:56 | Groucho | :-) |
| 07:23:14 | Groucho | Depends on what you consider as "new" :-) |
| 07:23:15 | geers | Me too, at least I try ;-) |
| 07:23:37 | Groucho | at least norway is in my timezone :-) |
| 07:23:55 | geers | ok, you are from europe? |
| 07:24:16 | Groucho | Yep- approx. 1200 km south of norway :-) |
| 07:24:42 | geers | belgium? |
| 07:25:24 | Groucho | nope- too much in the north (and west :-) |
| 07:25:47 | geers | I used to live in Holland and that was 1000km |
| 07:26:01 | geers | so you are from Germany then |
| 07:26:10 | Groucho | oops- ok give it 1800km :-) |
| 07:26:13 | Groucho | geers: Yes |
| 07:26:37 | geers | Munich? |
| 07:27:07 | Groucho | geers: no- I said "south" |
| 07:27:19 | Groucho | is a bit more southern that munich is |
| 07:27:31 | geers | well 1800km you allmost end up in Italy;-) |
| 07:27:52 | Groucho | geers: You end up at the Swiss border ;-) |
| 07:28:15 | Groucho | can just look into switzerland right now |
| 07:28:43 | geers | Hmm, dont know many cities at the Swiss border unless I get a map |
| 07:29:11 | Groucho | I can assure you that Munich is the largest town in reach here. |
| 07:29:22 | Groucho | 2 1/2 hours *g* |
| 07:30:15 | geers | Ahh, country boy :-) |
| 07:30:23 | Groucho | All in all, you can lay a triangle on the map between Zurich (Swiss) Stuttgart and Munich. I am in the center. |
| 07:30:35 | Groucho | geers: Lake boy :-) |
| 07:30:46 | geers | Kewl |
| 07:31:32 | Groucho | Dont get me misunderstood, there are several cities around the lake, but none is bigger than 60000 people. |
| 07:31:45 | geers | thats plenty |
| 07:32:18 | geers | The place I live has only 40k but is near Oslo |
| 07:32:41 | geers | Not as long as 2 1/2 hours though |
| 07:33:15 | geers | I have to brew some coffee, brb |
| 07:38:44 | FR^2 | Hiho |
| 07:44:22 | geers | pppoe anyone? |
| 07:46:24 | FR^2 | has pppoe on his redhat box |
| 07:48:54 | geers | I have pppoe on my laptop, and now I want it on my PDA |
| 07:49:51 | Groucho | geers: Kernel modules and a new pppd is what you need- plus the pppoe scripts. |
| 07:49:56 | geers | I just installed the intimate deb on familiar, but I wonder if I can have 2 connections at the same time to my ADSL provider |
| 07:50:17 | Groucho | geers: Why would you want that on your PDA ? |
| 07:51:24 | geers | Groucho, I want to use it as a portable internet gateway |
| 07:52:14 | Groucho | geers: Hmm, I suspect that in any case you normally have a desktop or laptop computer available for internet access via DSL |
| 07:52:17 | geers | It would allow me to get internet acces via wlan everywhere |
| 07:53:44 | geers | yes, it have a laptop here http://geers.homelinux.org/, but i do travel from time to time |
| 07:55:21 | geers | But I think it might be the provider that doesn't want to hand me an additional IP-address on my DSL-link |
| 08:01:17 | geers | I just dont like to tear down the connection on my laptop just yet, I got fond of uptime: 121 days |
| 08:03:03 | FR^2 | geers: Why don't you use your laptop as gateway? |
| 08:06:38 | geers | FR^2: I do that now, but I like to carry one with me to. But I dont like to carry 2 laptops with me. |
| 08:08:33 | geers | The iPAQ also has a possibility for bluetooth, which would make it possible to connect via GPRS to the network |
| 08:08:45 | geers | expensive though |
| 08:09:01 | FR^2 | geers: I see... Hmm. |
| 08:12:28 | geers | cya later |
| 08:12:35 | Groucho | cu |
| 08:14:09 | FR^2 | erwan: I never got usb-eth to work after installing familiar v5.3 and "ipkg upgrade". |
| 08:14:22 | FR^2 | erwan: With familiar v5.3 it worked without problems. |
| 09:09:32 | erwan | is hotplug still installed ? is your "interfaces" files contain the description of your network card ? show me your /etc/hotplug/net.agent... |
| 09:11:26 | sigmounte | someone have try divx ??? |
| 09:15:37 | erwan | sigmounte: just mpeg... |
| 09:16:33 | sigmounte | divx don't work ?? |
| 09:30:07 | FR^2 | erwan: Does manually configuring the usb-eth not work anymore with newer kernels on familiar? |
| 09:32:19 | erwan | sigmounte: not AFAIK |
| 09:32:32 | erwan | FR^2: what are the kernel messages ? |
| 09:32:45 | erwan | is eating |
| 09:42:48 | FR^2 | erwan: I don't have linux installed on my Ipaq any more... |
| 09:44:28 | Groucho | FR^2: Shame on you :-) |
| 09:46:27 | FR^2 | Groucho: ipaq 3130 hasn't much memory... |
| 09:47:01 | Groucho | Ah, I see :-) |
| 09:47:16 | FR^2 | I had to format the cf with ext2fs and symlink /usr to /mnt/jda/usr and /opt to /mnt/hda/opt, otherwise I wouldn't have had a chance to install Opie. |
| 09:53:18 | sigmounte | how big is opie ? |
| 09:54:43 | Groucho | sigmounte: Depends what you'd like to install |
| 09:55:06 | Groucho | sigmounte: between 5 to 12 M uncompressed |
| 09:55:22 | Groucho | sigmounte: In the JFFS 3-6 M |
| 09:58:42 | sigmounte | opie only ? for opie i need familiar too , then i must have 32 mo of rom for opie on my ipaq ? |
| 09:59:23 | Groucho | sigmounte: No. The basic system needs approx 3M in your file system |
| 09:59:37 | Groucho | sigmounte: JFFS compresses data |
| 10:00:40 | sigmounte | ok |
| 10:00:52 | Groucho | A 16M ipaq is perfectly sufficient |
| 10:01:31 | sigmounte | how many free memory do you have on your rom ? |
| 10:04:29 | Groucho | sigmounte: 1M due to a lot of things installed |
| 10:09:36 | FR^2 | Hmm. |
| 10:09:55 | FR^2 | I was trying to install Opie on familiar v5.3 and 16 MByte weren't sufficient. |
| 10:12:22 | Groucho | FR^2: It depends on what else is installed on the ipaq- if you put the whole modules tree and other things on the device, it could be short. |
| 10:12:34 | FR^2 | Hmm. |
| 10:12:50 | Groucho | FR^2: Besides- if you install task-opie-all, yes, this might end very soon |
| 10:13:40 | FR^2 | Well, I need pcmcia-modules, usbnet, vfat-modules.. |
| 10:13:50 | sigmounte | ok , i'll get an 32 mo one :) |
| 10:14:15 | Groucho | My overall opie installation takes 12822 kBytes on an ipaq 3630 (16M flash) |
| 10:14:33 | sigmounte | is all wireless card can be set in "promiscious mode" ?? |
| 10:14:46 | Groucho | With pcmcia, wireless, infrared, and more installed |
| 10:15:10 | Groucho | sigmounte: It depends on the card and the modules used. |
| 10:16:06 | FR^2 | Groucho: Hmm. |
| 10:16:27 | sigmounte | ok , which card did you advise me ? |
| 10:16:51 | sigmounte | oups sorry for my english :) |
| 10:17:03 | Groucho | sigmounte: The D-Link card works flawlessly here, as do most prism2 cards |
| 10:17:18 | Groucho | A D-Link DWL 650 is working here |
| 10:17:30 | sigmounte | 30 mw or 100mw ? |
| 10:17:45 | Groucho | Good question :-) no idea |
| 10:18:23 | sigmounte | i searching for a card that can be set in promiscious , and also with a high power |
| 10:18:41 | sigmounte | AND really easy to setup under familiar |
| 10:18:42 | sigmounte | :) |
| 10:19:03 | Flaixred | Hi |
| 10:19:13 | Groucho | sigmounte: Prism2 cards. However I dont know why it should have a "high power" for listening |
| 10:19:18 | Groucho | hi |
| 10:19:19 | Flaixred | Is there any way that i can install familiar to my ipaq while im using linux? |
| 10:19:33 | Groucho | Flaixred: ??? |
| 10:19:38 | Flaixred | Im really interested about this project, sick of ppc2k.. |
| 10:19:51 | sigmounte | with a 100mw i will be able to cover a longer distance than a 30 mw , don't you think ? |
| 10:20:33 | Groucho | sigmounte: I thought it does not matter when you only want to listen in promiscious mode |
| 10:20:54 | sigmounte | yes , but i don't only want to listen lol |
| 10:21:07 | Groucho | sigmounte: Ok |
| 10:21:11 | sigmounte | ettercap on ipaq could but interesting :) |
| 10:21:35 | Groucho | sigmounte: what about kismet, there is also an OPIE interface |
| 10:21:50 | sigmounte | kismet ? |
| 10:22:10 | Flaixred | If i now have linux on my pc, anyway to install familiar project to pda? |
| 10:22:15 | Groucho | Flaixred: The boot loader is the problem- I am not sure whether it is possible to put it on the device without using Windows. |
| 10:22:23 | Groucho | sigmounte: A WLAN sniffer |
| 10:22:33 | sigmounte | interresting ! |
| 10:22:55 | sigmounte | kismet |
| 10:22:58 | Groucho | sigmounte: http://www.killefiz.de/zaurus should be kismet-qt and kismet |
| 10:23:04 | | kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/ |
| 10:23:04 | Groucho | ibot:kismet |
| 10:23:15 | Flaixred | Yeah, but i guess i then just use vmware and activestink. After i have installed this familiar, then i can sync with my familiar pda and linux pc? |
| 10:23:48 | Groucho | Flaixred: Syncing is a difficult tpoic- however we hope to have it solved when KDE3.1 is out |
| 10:24:11 | Flaixred | Oh.. |
| 10:24:19 | Groucho | In the meantime "syncing" is possible with OPIE and Evolution |
| 10:24:21 | FR^2 | Flaixred: It is no problem |
| 10:24:57 | Flaixred | Ok, i just need to get some files and maybe email.. |
| 10:25:07 | Flaixred | But just want to get rid of ppc2k ;P |
| 10:25:13 | FR^2 | Flaixred: I meant, installing the bootloader is no problem, if you have a cf card and a cardreader or any way to get it on the ipaq. |
| 10:25:48 | FR^2 | Flaixred: And if the bootloader is installed, it is no problem to install familiar v5.3 |
| 10:26:00 | Flaixred | Ok, i have cf card, but no reader.. But i have laptop where i can install this bootloader. |
| 10:26:06 | Flaixred | And its runnin windows2k. |
| 10:26:18 | Groucho | Flaixred: FR is right on that. Regarding syncing and email, things are heavily in flux and we hope to solve those issues soon |
| 10:26:43 | Flaixred | Ok. |
| 10:28:35 | Flaixred | Hmm, when i install this familiar to ipaq, is there any calendar program to it? |
| 10:28:38 | lynx | hi, anyone can halp with blinking green led?? |
| 10:29:00 | FR^2 | Flaixred: Opie provides calendar, contacts, and much more. |
| 10:29:01 | Groucho | Flaixred: http://opie.handhelds.org |
| 10:29:20 | Flaixred | ok, great. |
| 10:30:14 | Groucho | There is also GPE, but from what I have heard it is far from being usable. |
| 10:30:33 | lynx | i failed installing 2.18.01 bootloader and now i am getting rapidly blinking green led |
| 10:30:35 | lynx | ??? |
| 10:30:38 | lynx | anyone |
| 10:30:54 | Groucho | lynx: What does "I failed" mean ? |
| 10:32:12 | lynx | Groucho: I started downloading new image with minicom (xmodem) and I got loads of NAKs in minicom and RX??? error on ipaq, now when i reboot i see the boot screen briefly and then comes the blank and the led |
| 10:33:39 | Groucho | lynx: What does the console say ? |
| 10:34:06 | Groucho | Are you having a boot> prompt ? |
| 10:34:09 | lynx | nothing... i can not get it through minicom any more |
| 10:34:15 | lynx | Groucho: no |
| 10:34:51 | sigmounte | Groucho: all apps i see on the page (zaurus software index ) will work under familliar - opie etc etc ? |
| 10:35:13 | Groucho | sigmounte: Yes |
| 10:35:23 | Groucho | lnyx: But you get the boot screen with the penguin ? |
| 10:35:58 | lynx | grib: yes, briefly, and then it blanks |
| 10:36:11 | lynx | grib: ... |
| 10:36:22 | Groucho | lynx: So you have not bricked your ipaq. Good. |
| 10:36:39 | lynx | Groucho: that means I have bricked it? |
| 10:36:47 | lynx | Groucho: and what now? |
| 10:37:14 | Groucho | lynx: I dont think you have. |
| 10:37:45 | lynx | Groucho: what can I try? |
| 10:38:35 | FR^2 | lynx: Try to connect your Ipaq to serial console (minicom / hyperterminal), then you should be able to install wince again *g* or reinstall familiar. |
| 10:38:52 | Groucho | lynx: good question- consult the wiki at handhelds.org regarding boot loader issues. |
| 10:39:02 | lynx | FR^2: without the boot> prompt? |
| 10:39:11 | Groucho | lynx: Jamey should appear this afternoon so he might know what to do. |
| 10:39:53 | lynx | Groucho: ok, thnx |
| 10:43:10 | FR^2 | lynx: Hmm. Pressing the center button and resetting the ipaq doesn't bring the boot console on the serial port? |
| 10:45:46 | Groucho | brb |
| 10:46:10 | Groucho_lunch | is away: hunting lunch packs |
| 11:00:30 | erwan | is back |
| 11:16:44 | erwan | back |
| 11:21:00 | Groucho_lunch | is back |
| 11:21:11 | Groucho | re |
| 11:30:03 | FR^2 | uah... "set ymodem" without any value causes the boot console (or minicom?) to display only crazy characters |
| 14:11:33 | | jamey was last seen on #handhelds.org 1 minutes and 40 seconds ago, saying: JpL: and AT+CSQ? [Mon Aug 26 15:09:53 2002] |
| 14:11:33 | Groucho | ibot: seen jamey |
| 15:05:51 | Groucho | is heading home |
| 15:05:53 | Groucho | cu |
| 17:17:02 | sigmounte | someone use a cisco aeronet 350 ?? |
| 17:19:36 | Burner23 | sigmounte: not me, but do you need help ? |
| 17:20:14 | sigmounte | Burner23: i'll buy one , and i want to be sure it is totaly compatible , and easy to install |
| 17:25:04 | Burner23 | sorry sigmounte. I dont know this, but ask the guys/girls on #handhelds.org Maybe they can help you. |
| 17:25:43 | sigmounte | ok |
| 17:30:25 | sigmounte | ok , a guy help me , it is a really easy card |
| 17:30:55 | sigmounte | Burner23: you have familiar ? |
| 17:31:11 | Burner23 | jepp |
| 17:32:06 | sigmounte | is this modules available ?? :: |
| 17:32:17 | sigmounte | <kolla> airo_cs 4032 0 (unused) |
| 17:32:17 | sigmounte | <kolla> airo 38688 1 [airo_cs] |
| 17:32:18 | sigmounte | ? |
| 17:32:48 | Burner23 | bash-2.03# find / -name airo* |
| 17:32:49 | Burner23 | /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk3/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/patched/airo_cs.o |
| 17:32:49 | Burner23 | /lib/modules/2.4.18-rmk3/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/patched/airo.o |
| 17:33:26 | sigmounte | :)) |
| 17:33:30 | sigmounte | thanks |
| 17:34:12 | Burner23 | no prob |
| 17:39:54 | artrix | what chipset do those proxim rangelan-ds's use, prism2, orinoco, or their own? |
| 17:41:12 | Burner23 | card "Proxim RangeLAN/DS" |
| 17:41:13 | Burner23 | version "PROXIM","RangeLAN-DS/LAN PC CARD" |
| 17:41:13 | Burner23 | manfid 0x0126, 0x8000 |
| 17:41:13 | Burner23 | bind "orinoco_cs" |
| 17:41:17 | Burner23 | this one ? |
| 17:42:04 | artrix | yeah |
| 18:12:59 | Burner23 | CU |
| 19:56:09 | FR^2 | bye |