| 00:00:49 | HF|Shadow | anyone around? |
| 00:00:56 | HF|Shadow | prism2sta_ifstate: prism2sta_getcardinfo() failed,result=-61 |
| 00:00:57 | HF|Shadow | cardmgr[250]: + Failed to enable the device, resultcode= implementation_failure |
| 00:01:00 | HF|Shadow | any ideas what might cause that? |
| 02:13:23 | Feral_Kid | Over the past couple of days, has there been a new release of either bootopie.jffs2 or bootnet (or whatever it is called?)... Because the last bootopie installed, no longer works with my network cards.... |
| 07:12:00 | galexand | wow, even a smallish version of screen? |
| 07:14:04 | galexand | hahahah and it runs sshd by default |
| 14:21:59 | LBM | hmm, why isn't any programs included in the 0.6-pre1 image? |
| 14:22:14 | LBM | and what image is newest, 0.6-pre1 or 0.6-10? |
| 14:22:26 | LBM | 0.6-10 includes programs though |
| 18:38:57 | galexand | okay i have a question...if i get an ipaq and put familiar on it and i'm playing tetris or something then i click the power button and it turns off...when i turn it back on, is everything exactly where i left it or does it boot up again? |
| 18:40:30 | cmarqu | galexand: Doesn't boo, and in theory at least, everything should be as you left it. |
| 18:40:36 | cmarqu | s/boo/boot |
| 18:41:16 | galexand | in theory? have you tried it? :) |
| 18:41:39 | galexand | i suppose i should expect the tetris to become confused by the jump in system time. |
| 18:42:14 | cmarqu | Oh. Hmm. |
| 18:42:30 | cmarqu | Well, at least it doesn't boot :) |
| 18:42:33 | galexand | i just want to make sure it doesn't boot -- i am addicted to 'instant on' :) |
| 18:42:37 | galexand | thanks |
| 18:43:15 | cmarqu | galexand: more people are in #handhelds.org, it's pretty quiet here |
| 18:43:46 | galexand | now i'm only worried about ui issues, which i can hopefully rewrite from scratch if i have to :) |
| 18:45:31 | cmarqu | What are you running? X? |
| 18:45:46 | cmarqu | Or, what do you want to run? |
| 18:48:41 | galexand | i am not sure. probably sticking to the built-in flash so nano-x or tiny-x |
| 18:48:50 | galexand | not a big fan of qt |
| 18:49:14 | galexand | i guess there are lots of choices for windowmanager but i think i may wind up rolling my own on that question, or even using fvwm :) |
| 18:49:56 | galexand | the pen input really has be thinking and i think there may be an as-yet-untried method that would be really easy to use and really efficient in terms of screen space. |
| 18:50:01 | galexand | i could 'dock' it :) |
| 19:10:58 | cmarqu | You could try GPE and matchbox as your WM and see if you like it. |
| 19:18:56 | galexand | is matchbox a blackbox fork or something? |
| 19:19:35 | mallum | galexand: no, just has a box in the name |
| 19:21:40 | galexand | i was certainly looking at gpe before, if it'll fit in less than 16MB |
| 19:21:43 | galexand | I want to have about 5-10MB free for compilers :) |
| 19:28:55 | mallum | galexand: if you want a build enviroment you'd better get a udrive or large cf card |
| 19:29:51 | galexand | no no i'm going to use lcc and a severely stripped libc if i use C at all. :) |
| 19:30:04 | galexand | more likely is going to be some forth and maybe scheme and crap on there. |
| 19:33:34 | galexand | hmmm depends on how flexible matchbox is, it looks very nice so it is a likely starting point. thanks. |
| 19:44:42 | mallum | galexand: what do you want matchbox to do ? |
| 19:45:24 | TheNeb6285 | hi |
| 19:45:37 | mallum | galexand: does lcc even run on arm ? |
| 19:45:45 | TheNeb6285 | anyone here who can answer a question ? |
| 19:47:57 | TheNeb6285 | i have just put familiar 0.6 on my 3850 and now i cant get a pppd session to it i have tried everything from the site is there something i am missing ? |
| 19:51:21 | Kero | apparently... What image did you up[load? What happens when you log in as ppp? |
| 19:51:50 | LBM | which is the newest, 0.6-pre1 or 0.6-10? |
| 19:52:06 | galexand | mallum, it could :) |
| 19:52:19 | TheNeb6285 | 1 sec |
| 19:52:33 | galexand | i think really i want a UI with the feel of VCs, with like several distinct screens you can switch between and each screen has an app more or less full size |
| 19:52:44 | galexand | and matchbox looks like that model i can only think of a few ui changes i would make |
| 19:52:57 | LBM | please |
| 19:53:02 | LBM | some of you must know |
| 19:53:05 | TheNeb6285 | i have installed 0.6 pre1 |
| 19:53:09 | galexand | 0.6 is out? |
| 19:53:18 | cmarqu | LBM: -10 is newest |
| 19:53:35 | TheNeb6285 | where is that from ? |
| 19:53:35 | LBM | cmarqu: thanks, and it IS the newest of all? |
| 19:53:44 | Kero | never heard of 0.6-10, but assumes 0.6-pre10. At least 0.6-pre3 I heard of... |
| 19:53:57 | cmarqu | LBM: that would be -pre10 really. |
| 19:54:16 | cmarqu | LBM: to make sure, looks at the dates of the files |
| 19:54:26 | cmarqu | s/looks/look |
| 19:54:47 | LBM | ohh, it is the newest if i look at them :) |
| 19:55:02 | cmarqu | so there :) |
| 20:09:46 | mallum | galexand: the 'ui' can be changed by editing/creating themes |
| 20:10:40 | galexand | the only change i'm likely to need is probably some sort of stroke dockable app and maybe something more like VC mindset for switching apps. |
| 20:10:50 | galexand | rather than a left and right arrow or whatever, something as simple as a list of numbers you click on. |
| 20:11:30 | cmarqu | galexand: both is already there |
| 20:11:42 | cmarqu | one sec, I'll make a screenshot |
| 20:12:43 | galexand | awesome ;) |
| 20:12:56 | galexand | i really expected this whole palmtop linux world to not be so thoroughly explored already. |
| 20:13:24 | cmarqu | Argh, sorry. My kernel killed stuff, and I don't want to reboot since I'm scp'ing stuff. |
| 20:13:37 | galexand | OOM? |
| 20:13:59 | cmarqu | the kernel out of memory killer |
| 20:14:05 | cmarqu | Yeah |
| 20:14:07 | galexand | that sucks |
| 20:14:16 | galexand | i'm gonna have to be careful i can't stand when that happens, at least it didn't crash :) |
| 20:14:34 | cmarqu | Yeah :/ |
| 20:14:38 | galexand | hmmm and for my own development i'll want something like gtk but damn small |
| 20:14:48 | galexand | i don't think i'm going to be able to tolerate doing xlib directly |
| 20:14:58 | galexand | is fltk fun? :) |
| 20:15:05 | cmarqu | I don't know... |
| 20:15:28 | cmarqu | /join #gpe and help making GPE smaller :) |
| 20:15:46 | mallum | galexand: fltk is good, but there are not so many apps already available and its c++ |
| 20:16:12 | galexand | oh i can't stand c++ yecht. |
| 20:16:22 | galexand | gpe isn't mostly based on fltk is it? |
| 20:17:09 | cmarqu | No, GTK |
| 20:17:17 | cmarqu | http://gpe.handhelds.org/ |
| 20:17:19 | galexand | oh good then i think we're all set. :) |
| 20:17:24 | galexand | thanks |
| 20:18:30 | galexand | i'm still shocked that the ipaq looks like a better supported linux platform than even zaurus sl5500 |
| 20:19:03 | cmarqu | http://gpe.handhelds.org/images/terminal.png shows the drop-down button, in the upper left corner, and xstroke is at the bottom (the pen with the abc next to it) |
| 20:20:06 | LBM | where can i find that postinstall faq? |
| 20:20:38 | galexand | i meaont to have both of them in the dock completely. like you actually stroke in the dock (bigger dock) and the list of windows is horizontal across the bottom of the dock or something. |
| 20:21:21 | cmarqu | Hmm, that would need to be written. |
| 20:21:44 | cmarqu | There is a "recent apps" thing though which might be of help already |
| 20:21:49 | LBM | i saw it someplace, but can't find the url again |
| 20:22:03 | galexand | it doesn't matter i'm prepared to work for the perfect ui :) |
| 20:22:27 | cmarqu | LBM: I guess the ML archive has the info |
| 20:23:19 | LBM | cmarqu: ml? |
| 20:23:30 | cmarqu | mailing list |
| 20:23:36 | LBM | hmm |
| 20:28:14 | LBM | hmm, no nano package in familiar? |
| 20:29:23 | cmarqu | LBM: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=nano |
| 20:29:39 | cmarqu | ipkgfind is your friend |
| 20:30:19 | LBM | ohh, you really need a new webpage :) |
| 20:30:26 | mallum | galexand: what you describe would be trivial to write, maybe your first project :) |
| 20:31:12 | LBM | cmarqu: hmm, is there some index of feeds? |
| 20:31:47 | cmarqu | LBM: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/IpkgFeeds |
| 20:31:59 | cmarqu | the wiki is your friend even more |
| 20:32:12 | mallum | galexand: or you can run fspanel ( google for it ) |
| 20:32:12 | LBM | hmm, looked there - but not enough though :) |
| 20:32:18 | cmarqu | Beware, tmost of these feeds are not maintained anymore |
| 20:33:29 | galexand | thanks mallum |
| 20:34:14 | LBM | hmm, someone ported xchat to the ipaq? |
| 20:34:15 | galexand | since really i only want about 3 or 4 apps total in addition to general shell capabilities i think it won't be very much work at all even if i wind up rewriting everything. |
| 20:34:25 | galexand | hmm is there a port of xdoom? |
| 20:34:41 | LBM | and what packages is needed to get a running X with blackbox, konqueror (or mozilla) and xchat? |
| 20:35:39 | cmarqu | konq-e, but then you need to run OPIE or Qtopia |
| 20:36:29 | cmarqu | LBM: we have olirc, a very rough version, in unstable since a few days |
| 20:36:56 | cmarqu | olirc was last updated in '99... |
| 20:42:11 | LBM | cmarqu: and opie doesn't use X but it's own framebuffer conn? |
| 20:42:49 | cmarqu | Yeah, no X |
| 20:45:05 | LBM | hmm |
| 20:45:09 | LBM | i'm in a dillema |
| 20:45:38 | LBM | hmm, minicom just stands there after 25 mins of xmodem sending - does it ever finish *gr* |
| 20:45:45 | LBM | cmarqu: what have you done? |
| 20:47:22 | cmarqu | :) |
| 20:49:31 | LBM | cmarqu: what have you done? |
| 20:49:37 | LBM | what is your "setup" |
| 20:49:39 | cmarqu | Huh? |
| 20:49:42 | cmarqu | Oh. |
| 20:50:00 | cmarqu | GPE. No konqueror, no xchat |
| 20:52:52 | LBM | hmm, no surfing? no chating? |
| 20:57:18 | cmarqu | dillo as a browser |
| 20:57:45 | cmarqu | When I have a net connection, I always have a big computer where I can type much easier... |
| 21:32:50 | LBM | any online? |
| 22:27:58 | LBM | hmm, my ipkg is making alot of errors: "failed: Illegal seek." |
| 22:28:23 | LBM | on ampd |
| 22:28:29 | LBM | xstroke |
| 22:29:44 | gdsx | LBM: sounds like fs breakage :o/ |
| 22:29:49 | gdsx | LBM: is your battery low? |
| 22:30:23 | LBM | gdsx: hmm no |
| 22:30:35 | gdsx | hrm... dunno... |
| 22:30:38 | LBM | running on the power cable |
| 22:30:52 | LBM | it's only that two packages that fails |
| 22:30:59 | gdsx | "Illegal seek" sounds like an fs / vm problem though |
| 22:31:05 | gdsx | LBM: can you try re-downloading them? |
| 22:31:06 | LBM | yeah :/ |
| 22:31:25 | LBM | gdsx: i will do when task-complete finishes |
| 22:31:36 | gdsx | k... |
| 22:34:39 | LBM | is it possible to start a bash on the ipaq screen? |
| 22:34:56 | LBM | and play with it trough a ssh session? |
| 22:37:48 | gdsx | yeah |
| 22:37:57 | gdsx | LBM: just fire up sshd on the iPaq |
| 22:38:59 | LBM | gdsx: i'm on the sshd right now, but the output is on my laptops screen, nit the ipaq |
| 22:45:35 | LBM | hmm, task-x IS installed, but no startx or initx :( |
| 22:49:26 | gdsx | LBM: /etc/init.d/x start |
| 22:49:41 | gdsx | LBM: you have to use screen if you wanna see the output concurrently on your iPaq and lappie |
