| 00:00:22 | sjohnson | is away: food run |
| 00:11:16 | sjohnson | is back (gone 00:10:54) |
| 08:17:18 | erwan | hi all |
| 09:10:38 | Glider | Talking about Java development: which VM? |
| 10:21:36 | aki | does anyone know where to get kernel 2.4.18-rmk3-hh20? i browsed http://www.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds but didn't find anything. |
| 11:49:22 | bimble-wrk | anyone I can bug in here about 'how easy is it to load familiar into an iPaq'? |
| 11:56:16 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: i'm a newbie, having just run familiar since monday. but i guess i could be bugged. |
| 12:02:32 | bimble-wrk | ok... how easy was it? :) |
| 12:03:12 | bimble-wrk | my palm is getting to the end of it's life, and I'm looking for an upgrade. the idea of running linux on my pda is cool, so I was thinking of an ipaq |
| 12:07:03 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: well, before i go rambling that you just follow the steps, i'd like to ask how familiar you are with linux, since i'm new here. |
| 12:13:02 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: you busy? |
| 12:13:40 | bimble-wrk | sorry, caught up in work.. but I'm ok |
| 12:13:47 | bimble-wrk | pretty happy with linux though |
| 12:14:14 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: ah, good. |
| 12:14:49 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: because the linux howto is quite easy to follow. for me, the most difficult part was setting up ipmasq for the usb networking. |
| 12:15:01 | bimble-wrk | ok |
| 12:15:30 | bimble-wrk | can I ask why you loaded linux onto the iPaq? and did you buy an iPaq specifically for it, or did you just have one lying around? |
| 12:15:43 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: since the warnings are basically for the bootloader installation stage, i just re-read each step several times before excuting. |
| 12:17:02 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: sure. no problem. i bought it for my wife early this year. and since she is a windows person more than a *nix person, i opted for the ipaq to maximize investment. |
| 12:17:16 | bimble-wrk | and obviously nothing went horribly wrong :) |
| 12:17:32 | bimble-wrk | nods |
| 12:18:38 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: she seemed to forget it often the past two months. so i asked her if there was anything important stored on it, when she said 'no", i went ahead and flashed it. |
| 12:19:00 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: yep. it took around two weeks of free time. :) |
| 12:19:11 | bimble-wrk | hehe |
| 12:19:28 | bimble-wrk | so has she turned it on and gone 'huh?' yet? |
| 12:19:39 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: maybe an hour or so of reading and walking through each stage every two days or so. |
| 12:19:51 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: hehehe. sure did. |
| 12:20:35 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: now she wants to "borrow" it and bring it to her office again. bragging rights included. |
| 12:20:40 | bimble-wrk | lol |
| 12:21:07 | bimble-wrk | I'm sort of dithering between the ipaq and zaurus at the moment (although I can't get a zaurus over here) |
| 12:21:44 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: well - if you load opie - you get the same look and apps as the zaurus anyway. |
| 12:22:08 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: if i may ask - where is "here"? |
| 12:22:45 | bimble-wrk | of course. Belgium, but someone in #redhat just pointed me at a uk site with the zaurus on it |
| 12:23:39 | bimble-wrk | so, do I need to load opie on top of familiar or is it standalone? |
| 12:25:25 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: hmmm - i think (i'm not 100% sure yet), that you have to load it on top of familiar. |
| 12:25:39 | bimble-wrk | and.. do you know if familiar has bluetooth support? |
| 12:26:11 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: familiar itself has matchbox already. pretty basic, but you get a simple desktop right upon booting. |
| 12:27:14 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: hehehe - yes it does. 'my" ipaq is a 3870. bluetooth support is good. but i still have to buy another device for my ipaq to talk to. |
| 12:27:38 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: at the moment - it's pretty lonely bluetooth-wise, being the only bt device at home. |
| 12:27:56 | bimble-wrk | awww... poor little iPaq ;) |
| 12:28:34 | bimble-wrk | how about handwriting recognition for text entry, or is it just an onscreen keyboard thing |
| 12:29:19 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: lemme see- it has hw recognition - although i still need a LOT of practice. |
| 12:29:38 | bimble-wrk | hehehe fair enough. |
| 12:29:40 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: it also has two - no three keyboard entry modes. |
| 12:29:52 | bimble-wrk | hmm.. no support for the 3900 series |
| 12:30:00 | bimble-wrk | well.. that'll save me money |
| 12:30:04 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: the latest - which i just saw and installed today - is a something called jumpx. |
| 12:31:10 | greylensman | if anyone online could give me an idea of the merits of jumpx, i'd be delighted. |
| 12:32:16 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: 3900? oh, the ipaq with the new chip. |
| 12:33:05 | bimble-wrk | yup |
| 12:34:49 | bimble-wrk | ah.. it's ok, found the page |
| 12:36:36 | bimble-wrk | brb |
| 12:37:52 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: ok |
| 12:50:48 | bimble-wrk | and back |
| 12:54:28 | bimble-wrk | and another bugging question.... how about networking? can the iPaq/familiar combo handle either ethernet or wireless? |
| 12:56:11 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: alas - i don't have an ethernet or wlan pcmcia card. |
| 12:56:43 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: i make use of usb networking through the usb cradle. and i control it through minicom. |
| 12:57:39 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: but, i've seen modules for several eth cards in the feeds. and i also have wlan apps installed. |
| 12:58:41 | bimble-wrk | ok, and now a stupid question.. do I have to buy a 'jacket' for the iPaq so it will take PCMCIA cards? |
| 12:59:10 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: hehehe. that's not a stupid question. |
| 12:59:15 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: yes. you have to. |
| 12:59:24 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: i recommend a dual sleeve. |
| 13:00:11 | bimble-wrk | dual sleeve? |
| 13:00:14 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: i'm just waiting till i can isit hongkong again so i could buy an ibm micro drive |
| 13:00:22 | bimble-wrk | :) |
| 13:00:41 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: two pcmcia slots - including a battery - less drain on your ipaq's main battery. |
| 13:01:24 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: one of my wife's officemates has an ipaq - and he bought a cf sleeve with no battery - his complaint these days is the drain. |
| 13:02:04 | bimble-wrk | gotcha |
| 13:02:31 | bimble-wrk | hmm.. wonder if there are cf wlan cards :) |
| 13:02:43 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: yes! |
| 13:02:54 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: the smallest form factor for a wlan card. |
| 13:07:23 | bimble-wrk | well.. that's probably about all I'd be using a PCMCIA sleeve for, so maybe I'd be better with a cf sleeve |
| 13:10:16 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: i agree. |
| 13:10:47 | bimble-wrk | ok, and worse cast scenario... can windows be uploaded again if necessary? |
| 13:13:14 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: you mean pocket-pc 2002? yes. |
| 13:13:49 | bimble-wrk | ok, thanks for all your help |
| 13:14:53 | greylensman | bimble-wrk: you're welcome. |
| 16:22:41 | Obri | Hi |
| 17:06:04 | Obri | re |
| 17:07:10 | Akys | hi |
| 17:07:45 | Akys | anyone know if i can change the space of the ramfs partition?? |
| 17:08:09 | Akys | and how i can do it? |
| 17:14:26 | sjohnson | Akys: ramfs is a dynamic file system. It will allocate and deallocate memory as it needs to |
| 17:14:39 | Akys | aha |
| 17:14:49 | Akys | ko |
| 17:14:51 | Akys | ok |
| 17:15:14 | Akys | i installed familiar today. sorry for stupid question |
| 17:15:34 | sjohnson | Akys: ramfs will only take at most half of avail RAM. That parameters can be changed with a mount option., |
| 17:16:02 | Akys | where is the parameter? |
| 17:17:43 | sjohnson | It would be specified as a mount option I(i.e. mount -t ramfs -o maxspace=xxx ramfs /mot/var. But I don't remember what the parmater name is. |
| 17:18:01 | inomine | lo all |
| 17:18:07 | Akys | ok, thanks a lot |
| 17:19:32 | inomine | just (re)installed familiar .6 pre and updated to unstable feed. though kernel and modules have been left.. is there a way to force update those 2, also im willing to trash my ipaq by running pre-empt and fast jffs as long as some1 can tell me how |
| 17:24:14 | sjohnson | inomine: You can only update a kernel and modules to a new -hh version. Otherwise your have to install the new kenel and modules. |
| 17:26:10 | inomine | install as in so it manually? im willing to do ot that way i just need some instruction |
| 17:28:03 | sjohnson | inomine: You need a like of your installed kernel modules do... |
| 17:28:17 | sjohnson | ipkg status | grep Pack | grep modules |
| 17:28:38 | sjohnson | Then ipkg install kernel-2.4..... |
| 17:28:55 | sjohnson | And ipkg install xxxxx-modules-2.4.... |
| 17:29:01 | inomine | cant atm sorting out my university application and my ipaq is updating opie |
| 17:29:03 | sjohnson | for all of the modules. |
| 17:29:32 | inomine | the pre-empt and fast jffs are availbale as a unified kernel? |
| 17:29:51 | sjohnson | Use the new kernel version when specifiying the new kernel and modules. |
| 17:30:30 | sjohnson | inomine: Not at the moment, AFAIK |
| 17:32:28 | inomine | is preempt in the unstbale feed? |
| 17:33:10 | sjohnson | I don't know. All I know is that the patch is in the hh.org kernel source. |
| 17:33:50 | inomine | i think i saw a seperate feed, ill do it in a min |
| 18:43:41 | Dreamie | hello |
| 18:44:35 | Dreamie | my ipkg segfaults when I try to install some packages, what could be wrong? |
| 18:52:22 | Dreamie | well, thanks a million |