| 06:53:35 | telec | hmm |
| 06:53:42 | telec | that runs under linux |
| 06:53:46 | telec | hmm, does anyone know where i can get quake for my ipaq? |
| 07:04:02 | telec | baah.. |
| 07:45:47 | Indi-- | poor soul obviously hasnt discovered google yet |
| 07:45:49 | Indi-- | what an empty life |
| 08:09:08 | DrJones | hello. |
| 08:09:45 | DrJones | Anyone home? |
| 08:10:30 | DrJones | I've got some questions, if anyone here is awake. ;:) |
| 08:11:15 | Indi-- | nope |
| 08:11:21 | Indi-- | lights are on but no ones home |
| 08:11:27 | DrJones | heh. |
| 08:11:29 | Indi-- | just ask ur q's someone might answer |
| 08:12:27 | DrJones | I've got a Ipaq 3835 and am thinking of ditching the PocketPC os on it. I run linux on my desktops and servers so Im intimately familiar with it. But are there any apps out there that let you "sync" your ipaq running linux to the office apps (M$) ? |
| 08:12:39 | DrJones | (Mostly contacts and calendar) |
| 08:12:55 | Indi-- | hmm |
| 08:12:58 | Indi-- | dunno bout MS apps |
| 08:13:05 | Indi-- | but the data files are usually just XML |
| 08:13:08 | Indi-- | or vcf |
| 08:13:11 | Indi-- | etc.. |
| 08:13:16 | Indi-- | very standard formats |
| 08:13:27 | DrJones | hmm.. except that M$ isn't standard. ;) |
| 08:13:42 | Indi-- | yeah |
| 08:13:43 | DrJones | Well, thats not true, they're their own standard. |
| 08:13:47 | Indi-- | i know all about that |
| 08:13:57 | Indi-- | i had a .pst corrupt |
| 08:14:02 | Indi-- | installed linux on main PC |
| 08:14:09 | Indi-- | and was stuck with data in PocetPC |
| 08:14:22 | Indi-- | ended up using another windows box to get the data off |
| 08:14:26 | DrJones | Im not a M$ lover, some things work well. I like being able to see my calendar/contacts up to date on both machines. |
| 08:14:28 | Indi-- | i hate MS |
| 08:14:37 | Indi-- | nods |
| 08:14:39 | Indi-- | its nice when it works |
| 08:14:50 | Indi-- | Active synch was pretty dodgy |
| 08:15:07 | Indi-- | it locked my pocket PC for 3 days once |
| 08:15:17 | DrJones | the XP OS isn't as bad as Win2k, and when OfficeXP works, its not bad either. But ActiveSync SUCKS! and Im tired of paying for every little app. |
| 08:15:18 | Indi-- | lucky i remembered myself that i had an appointment |
| 08:15:31 | Indi-- | heh |
| 08:15:40 | DrJones | The things that I use mostly are contacts/calander games and ministumbler |
| 08:15:41 | Indi-- | i got 3 BSOD's in 1.5 yrs with 2k |
| 08:15:46 | Indi-- | and about 300 in 2 months with XP |
| 08:15:55 | DrJones | Most can be replaced my linux w/o problem |
| 08:16:03 | Indi-- | every 5th time id pull the ipaq out of the cradle ... *BOOM* |
| 08:16:10 | DrJones | ouch. |
| 08:16:15 | Indi-- | nods |
| 08:16:30 | DrJones | So, if I can sync with XP, I will be happy. |
| 08:16:34 | Indi-- | old motherboard, i suspect usb chipset incompatibilities |
| 08:16:44 | DrJones | Or bad USB drivers |
| 08:16:53 | Indi-- | DrJones: have a look at trolltechs qtopia desktop |
| 08:17:06 | DrJones | So, when you install linux on your PDA, what do you use to back up the PDA? ;) |
| 08:17:12 | DrJones | (pre linux install) |
| 08:17:18 | Indi-- | scp |
| 08:17:22 | Indi-- | oh |
| 08:17:23 | Indi-- | pre |
| 08:17:28 | Indi-- | theres a howto on handhelds.org |
| 08:17:45 | Indi-- | you get an app called bootblaster which backs up ur CE room and default bootloader |
| 08:17:51 | Indi-- | CE rom* |
| 08:17:59 | Indi-- | then install the new bootloader |
| 08:18:05 | DrJones | So the ActiveSync backup is useless then? |
| 08:18:18 | Indi-- | activestink is proprietary and closed |
| 08:18:28 | Indi-- | you use it to put bootblaster on the ipaq and get the backup roms off |
| 08:18:29 | Indi-- | thats it |
| 08:18:45 | Indi-- | once uve got linux on the ipaq its useless |
| 08:18:50 | Indi-- | (activestink) |
| 08:19:02 | DrJones | Ok, but if I decide for whatever reason that I like pocketpc better (laugh) how do I restore all of my apps (including those that are registered) |
| 08:19:02 | Indi-- | ipaq linux is v nice, you should at least try it out :) |
| 08:19:21 | Indi-- | you have to re-install from scratch |
| 08:19:28 | Indi-- | its like when you got ur ipaq out of the box for the first time |
| 08:19:31 | Indi-- | all gone |
| 08:19:35 | DrJones | I intend to try it.. :) |
| 08:19:40 | Indi-- | or you could make activesynch backups |
| 08:20:16 | DrJones | I think Ill make a full activesync backup and then use the bootblaster to backup the rom and stuff.. that way should I have to, I can restore from this point in time. |
| 08:20:31 | Indi-- | nods |
| 08:20:51 | Indi-- | i used an MMC card |
| 08:20:55 | Indi-- | internal backup app |
| 08:20:59 | Indi-- | not that ill ever go back |
| 08:21:16 | DrJones | So, tell me why linux on your ipaq is superior. ;) |
| 08:21:20 | Indi-- | id recommend taking a look at opie, its a nice little PDA suite |
| 08:21:36 | DrJones | Opie is a major reason for me doing this. |
| 08:21:39 | DrJones | It looks really nice. |
| 08:21:48 | Indi-- | cause you can ssh into it, cross compile, configure every damn thing... |
| 08:22:01 | Indi-- | if ur into ruby its got that |
| 08:22:07 | DrJones | I like the ability to run kismet in monitor mode and snoop the wireless. ;) |
| 08:22:13 | DrJones | Whats ruby? |
| 08:22:19 | Indi-- | if you install that bigger linux distro you get bloody everything |
| 08:22:31 | Indi-- | a neat little scripting language that im learning (www.ruby-lang.org) |
| 08:22:34 | Indi-- | its OO |
| 08:22:38 | DrJones | OO? |
| 08:22:44 | Indi-- | object oriented |
| 08:22:47 | DrJones | ah :) |
| 08:22:52 | Indi-- | a LOT nicer to read than perl |
| 08:22:53 | DrJones | Im not a programmer. Im a sysadmin ;) |
| 08:22:56 | Indi-- | with v similar powers |
| 08:22:59 | DrJones | Thats not saying much! ;) |
| 08:23:08 | Indi-- | every sysadmin worth there salt needs to know a little perl :) |
| 08:23:16 | DrJones | I know a little perl.. |
| 08:23:28 | Indi-- | i dunno if youve ever used a palm pilot |
| 08:23:35 | DrJones | I used one a long time ago. |
| 08:23:39 | Indi-- | but when i got my ipaq with CE i was like 'wow, what a difference' |
| 08:23:44 | DrJones | I liked it, but its networking sucked. |
| 08:23:49 | Indi-- | linux on the ipaq, gives you the same experience :p |
| 08:24:01 | Indi-- | it makes CE look like the limited little toy that it is |
| 08:24:15 | DrJones | The new Ipaq is going to run both palm apps and pocketpc. :) |
| 08:24:31 | Indi-- | mm |
| 08:24:34 | DrJones | I saw a promo of it at a CompUsa. |
| 08:24:37 | Indi-- | you can run X on ipaq linux |
| 08:24:41 | Indi-- | and then run copilot |
| 08:24:43 | Indi-- | ;) |
| 08:24:49 | DrJones | You can run apache on an Ipaq too. ;) |
| 08:25:01 | Indi-- | if uve got the storage space you can run everything |
| 08:25:11 | Indi-- | wants a CF sleeve and microdrive |
| 08:25:14 | DrJones | oh, you can use Evolution and sync on a linux box then. |
| 08:25:26 | DrJones | I have a 1 gig MicroDrive. |
| 08:25:32 | Indi-- | bitch :) |
| 08:25:36 | DrJones | :) |
| 08:25:38 | DrJones | lol |
| 08:26:04 | Indi-- | another thing i like about ipaq linux is that its using the flashrom for OS/files |
| 08:26:09 | DrJones | I have a Dual PCMCIA sleeve.. One for the MD and one for the network card. |
| 08:26:10 | Indi-- | and the flashram, as RAM |
| 08:26:16 | Indi-- | so you get a full 64mb of ram to play with |
| 08:26:23 | Indi-- | instead of the CE variable split thing |
| 08:26:30 | DrJones | What about the MMC |
| 08:26:37 | Indi-- | MMC works fine |
| 08:26:43 | DrJones | And MP3? ;) |
| 08:26:44 | Indi-- | mount it like any other removable medium |
| 08:26:49 | Indi-- | MP3 works too |
| 08:26:51 | Indi-- | and mpeg movies |
| 08:26:55 | DrJones | oooh :) |
| 08:27:01 | Indi-- | heh |
| 08:27:05 | Indi-- | its v nice |
| 08:27:09 | DrJones | pocket porn! :) |
| 08:27:10 | DrJones | heh. |
| 08:27:27 | DrJones | Id like to have it set up for lisa this year. |
| 08:27:31 | Indi-- | the only thing i miss is transcriber |
| 08:27:38 | DrJones | I never use it anyway. |
| 08:27:43 | Indi-- | lucky |
| 08:27:47 | DrJones | I always use the stupid internal kb |
| 08:27:52 | Indi-- | the handwriting input is fine |
| 08:27:58 | Indi-- | and theres multiple keyboards to choose from |
| 08:28:11 | DrJones | So its basically a mini-debian install? |
| 08:28:25 | Indi-- | ipkg feels very apt |
| 08:28:27 | Indi-- | so yeah... |
| 08:28:33 | Indi-- | its v deb feeling |
| 08:28:42 | DrJones | doesn't the Zaurus use ipkg? |
| 08:28:54 | Indi-- | probably |
| 08:29:09 | Indi-- | there #openzaurus n stuff if you wannt know more about that |
| 08:29:16 | Indi-- | open roms for them |
| 08:29:28 | DrJones | put the zaurus os on an ipaq? |
| 08:29:46 | Indi-- | i wouldnt try |
| 08:29:53 | Indi-- | different device drivers n stuff |
| 08:30:00 | DrJones | yeah. |
| 08:30:06 | Indi-- | i belive opie is better than qtopia now days anyway |
| 08:30:17 | DrJones | Zaurus uses qtopia? |
| 08:30:22 | Indi-- | yep |
| 08:30:26 | Indi-- | as the UI |
| 08:30:30 | DrJones | ahh! |
| 08:30:43 | Indi-- | opie is the GPL version of qtopia or something |
| 08:30:48 | Indi-- | they look almost identical by default |
| 08:30:57 | Indi-- | opies got themes now, very veyr nice :) |
| 08:31:06 | DrJones | So what do Zaurus users use to sync with outlook then? |
| 08:31:09 | Indi-- | CE and its poxy flat nonesense |
| 08:31:15 | Indi-- | qtopia desktop |
| 08:31:31 | Indi-- | i dont know if they can synch with outlook |
| 08:31:34 | Indi-- | theres prolly some product out there |
| 08:31:47 | DrJones | I know they can. A co-worker uses a zaurus |
| 08:31:48 | Indi-- | i dont own one, dont care much about em :) |
| 08:32:11 | DrJones | there was a 3rd party tool for syncing with the palm os to outlook.. its the same one. |
| 08:32:22 | DrJones | I just cant remember the name. |
| 08:32:27 | Indi-- | nods |
| 08:32:48 | DrJones | yahoo uses a java version for their site. |
| 08:32:49 | Indi-- | -shrug-, cant beat a linux box in ur pocket |
| 08:33:18 | DrJones | It really is enticing. |
| 08:34:22 | Indi-- | indi:~ # ssh ipaq |
| 08:34:22 | Indi-- | root@ipaq's password: |
| 08:34:22 | Indi-- | sh-2.03# ls -la |
| 08:34:23 | Indi-- | ;) |
| 08:34:24 | DrJones | I just want to get the speed and openness of linux and the ease of use of desktop apps syncing with a pda for contact management |
| 08:34:42 | Indi-- | yeah |
| 08:34:49 | Indi-- | i dont really care much about desktop apps |
| 08:34:55 | Indi-- | i quite like using just the PDA for it |
| 08:35:03 | Indi-- | and then just use scp to backup the data files |
| 08:35:10 | Indi-- | cause now i can... not like fscking CE |
| 08:35:16 | DrJones | Its easier for me to enter them in the desktop app and see them on the ipaq |
| 08:35:20 | Indi-- | i had to synch to outlook XP |
| 08:35:37 | Indi-- | then save as -> vcf (biz card) for every contact |
| 08:35:54 | Indi-- | wasnt much fun |
| 08:36:06 | DrJones | I guess I can use netscape or a similiar opsnsource app for that, export from office as a csv and import. |
| 08:36:38 | DrJones | How long did it take to install? |
| 08:37:09 | DrJones | There is a BALUG (linux users group) meeting tomorrow.. it would be schweet to have a linux ipaq for the meeting tomorrow. ;) |
| 08:37:28 | Indi-- | you could do it |
| 08:38:21 | Indi-- | most of my time is wasted leaching shit on 56k |
| 08:38:30 | Indi-- | backing upt he CE rom took about half an hour |
| 08:39:20 | Indi-- | takes longer to read and clarify urself on the howto than it does to actually install it |
| 08:39:24 | DrJones | Its 139 am |
| 08:39:25 | DrJones | :) |
| 08:39:33 | Indi-- | heh |
| 08:39:43 | DrJones | 01:38:33 PDT |
| 08:40:06 | DrJones | 24hour clock ;) |
| 08:40:12 | Indi-- | if uve got broadband its pretty doable |
| 08:40:24 | DrJones | I have DSL |
| 08:40:40 | DrJones | The activesync backup is going to take forever though |
| 08:40:43 | Indi-- | have you got serial and USB cradle cables ? |
| 08:40:49 | DrJones | just USB |
| 08:40:57 | DrJones | Well, its a serial/usb cradle |
| 08:40:58 | Indi-- | ur screwed then |
| 08:41:00 | Indi-- | you need serial |
| 08:41:02 | Indi-- | ahh |
| 08:41:04 | DrJones | really? |
| 08:41:08 | Indi-- | plug em both in at once |
| 08:41:08 | DrJones | why? |
| 08:41:25 | Indi-- | you need serial too talk to the new bootloader and download the base linux image via good ole zmodem |
| 08:41:36 | DrJones | zmodem??? |
| 08:41:38 | DrJones | ouch! |
| 08:41:40 | Indi-- | heh |
| 08:41:51 | Indi-- | its only 6mb or something |
| 08:41:53 | Indi-- | at 115,200 |
| 08:41:56 | Indi-- | its not tooo bad |
| 08:42:10 | Indi-- | once you get the base system installed you move to USB ethernet |
| 08:42:16 | Indi-- | with ipmasqing and all that lovely stuff |
| 08:42:39 | DrJones | hmmm :) |
| 08:42:52 | Indi-- | heh |
| 08:43:12 | Indi-- | i reckon therell be a market for 2nd hand ipaq's as SOHO routers in a few years ;) |
| 08:43:34 | Indi-- | some small houehold/office type device anyway |
| 08:44:00 | DrJones | yeah |
| 08:44:00 | Indi-- | have an ipaq on ur wall controlling home automation -shrug- |
| 08:51:25 | Indi-- | http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html |
| 08:51:33 | Indi-- | its the way of the future ;) |
| 08:52:16 | Indi-- | as a programmer i LOVE the fact that i can potentially install GCC (if only i had the space) and the fact that i have access to Ruby, which is identical on my PC and ipaq... |
| 08:52:26 | Indi-- | nothing worse than two source trees for the same app |
| 08:52:34 | Indi-- | with only a gui to differentiate them |
| 08:53:20 | DrJones | So you have to compile on a linux box and scp it to the ipaq? |
| 08:54:27 | Indi-- | if i wanted to do development as is, yes, id have to compile to ARM |
| 08:54:42 | Indi-- | havent written anything yet so its all 'ipkg install bla' |
| 08:55:05 | Indi-- | ill be writing things in Ruby before i bother with C tho |
| 08:55:12 | Indi-- | far easier |
| 08:57:27 | DrJones | sounds like a plan |
| 09:16:16 | DrJones | Well that was fun |
| 09:17:54 | DrJones | So Indi--, I started backing up when I started talking to you, and its only about 45% |
| 09:29:25 | Indi-- | hmm |
| 09:29:39 | Indi-- | ur not backing up the microdrive as well are you ? |
| 09:29:39 | DrJones | So, can I install with the wireless card? |
| 09:29:47 | DrJones | nope |
| 09:29:55 | Indi-- | a few wireless cards are supported |
| 09:29:56 | Indi-- | i dunno tho |
| 09:30:01 | Indi-- | i dont have that luxury :/ |
| 09:30:23 | DrJones | Im using the Orinico card.. I think its supported |
| 09:31:03 | Indi-- | yeah |
| 09:31:12 | Indi-- | ive seen that word plenty of times in the boot sequence |
| 09:31:23 | Indi-- | blood orinico modules |
| 09:31:32 | Indi-- | its like 'haha you cant use us' |
| 09:31:36 | DrJones | They're good cards. |
| 09:31:37 | Indi-- | wants an AP n such |
| 09:32:11 | DrJones | What part of the world are you in? |
| 09:35:46 | Indi-- | australia |
| 09:35:56 | Indi-- | i was a windows programmer but i got RSI |
| 09:36:02 | Indi-- | so im taking some time out for a while |
| 09:36:04 | DrJones | My GF is from AU |
| 09:36:09 | Indi-- | reschooling in linux completely |
| 09:36:17 | Indi-- | i used to use it a lot about 2 yrs ago |
| 09:36:22 | Indi-- | so its not hard.. :) |
| 09:36:29 | Indi-- | aussies rock :) |
| 09:36:29 | DrJones | hasn't changed that much :) |
| 09:36:35 | DrJones | indeed. |
| 09:36:37 | Indi-- | per capita and per $ we kick ass |
| 09:36:43 | Indi-- | accomplishment wise |
| 09:37:01 | DrJones | I wouldn't mind moving to Melbourne or Sydney... :) |
| 09:37:07 | Indi-- | heh |
| 09:37:18 | Indi-- | i hate sydney, but im a country boy... |
| 09:37:21 | Indi-- | i dunno, its too cold |
| 09:37:26 | Indi-- | it wants to be new york or something |
| 09:37:38 | Indi-- | and theres this gorgeous chick in melb thats got me tempted to move down |
| 09:37:53 | Indi-- | http://www.indsft.com/photos/sonia.jpg |
| 09:37:59 | DrJones | Sounds like a plan to me! :) |
| 09:38:00 | Indi-- | would you move 800 miles for her ? |
| 09:38:12 | Indi-- | 1600k's.. |
| 09:38:14 | DrJones | hell yes! |
| 09:38:17 | Indi-- | fuckin looong way |
| 09:38:20 | Indi-- | heh |
| 09:38:23 | DrJones | :) |
| 09:38:25 | Indi-- | shes cute eh ? ;) |
| 09:38:29 | DrJones | very |
| 09:38:47 | Indi-- | she also smart and succesfull... go figure |
| 09:39:00 | DrJones | And she wants you why? ;) |
| 09:39:04 | Indi-- | heh |
| 09:39:07 | DrJones | lol |
| 09:39:10 | DrJones | Im kidding. |
| 09:39:10 | Indi-- | fucked if i know... ;) |
| 09:39:21 | Indi-- | ha, she saw some photo of me and went nuts |
| 09:39:30 | Indi-- | i sent it to someone else... they showed her |
| 09:39:32 | Indi-- | shrugs |
| 09:39:41 | DrJones | you stud! :) |
| 09:39:50 | Indi-- | heh |
| 09:39:55 | Indi-- | so they tell me... |
| 09:40:32 | Indi-- | she drives like a dream car.. the one i want to own some day... fuckin sweet salary, owns a house, rides her jetski on the weekend for fun... |
| 09:40:36 | Indi-- | i swear its all a dream |
| 09:40:52 | DrJones | Sounds too good to be true. |
| 09:40:57 | DrJones | What does she do for a living? |
| 09:41:08 | Indi-- | assistant manager for a big hotel chain |
| 09:41:11 | Indi-- | works fucking hard |
| 09:41:13 | DrJones | Can she keep you in the way in which you'd like to be accustomed to? ;) |
| 09:41:15 | Indi-- | but gets payed shitloads |
| 09:41:23 | Indi-- | hell yes |
| 09:41:45 | DrJones | In that case ... DO IT! :) |
| 09:41:49 | Indi-- | not that id do that... i have some contacts in melb that im gunna talk to once ive had a bit more R&R |
| 09:41:51 | DrJones | what are you waiting for? |
| 09:42:00 | Indi-- | few more months, gotta meet her n shit first...... ra ra ra |
| 09:42:06 | DrJones | There is that.. |
| 09:42:11 | Indi-- | heh |
| 09:42:12 | Indi-- | helps |
| 09:42:29 | Indi-- | she should hopefully get some holiday soon and be able to come up |
| 09:42:36 | DrJones | sweet. |
| 09:42:53 | Indi-- | uhh huh |
| 09:43:08 | Indi-- | all in good time |
| 09:43:18 | Indi-- | i already moved half that distance for another woman, twice |
| 09:43:24 | Indi-- | and that ended up goin bad |
| 09:43:25 | Indi-- | so yeah... |
| 09:43:33 | Indi-- | cautious |
| 09:43:50 | DrJones | I know that story. |
| 09:43:51 | Indi-- | </deep and meaningless> |
| 09:43:54 | Indi-- | :) |
| 09:44:00 | Indi-- | gettin a tad off topic there |
| 09:44:02 | DrJones | been there, have the scars to prove it. |
| 09:44:10 | Indi-- | yeah... |
| 09:44:15 | Indi-- | its messy |
| 09:44:41 | DrJones | So, anyway, the backup is about 60% |
| 09:47:10 | Indi-- | heh |
| 09:47:15 | Indi-- | takes its sweet time |
| 09:47:31 | DrJones | Its getting annoying |
| 09:47:36 | Indi-- | heh |
| 09:47:42 | Indi-- | just go to bed man.. :) |
| 09:47:58 | Indi-- | no point gettin shitt with it |
| 09:48:02 | Indi-- | +y |
| 09:48:30 | DrJones | heh.. I was up all night last night cause my servers were going down faster then an intern at the whitehouse |
| 09:48:44 | DrJones | I came home early and slept.. now Im not tired. |
| 09:49:51 | Indi-- | i know that feeling |
| 09:50:03 | Indi-- | deadlines approach and you find urself nocturnal |
| 09:50:04 | Indi-- | hmmm |
| 09:50:25 | Indi-- | ive actually started to get a suntan for the first time in however many years |
| 09:50:41 | DrJones | wow.. |
| 09:50:45 | DrJones | there is a strange thoght |
| 09:53:30 | DrJones | So, what was that program that backups the rom and installs the bootloader? |
| 09:57:09 | DrJones | Do you need linux to install linux on the Ipaq? |
| 10:08:21 | Indi-- | no |
| 10:08:26 | Indi-- | hyperterm is fine |
| 10:08:55 | Indi-- | http://mstempin.free.fr/linux-ipaq |
| 10:08:58 | Indi-- | thatll sort you out |
| 10:09:13 | Indi-- | tis the install howto |
| 10:10:39 | DrJones | But bootblaster seems to be a tgz. |
| 10:11:20 | Indi-- | winzip opens those just fine |
| 10:11:51 | Indi-- | tgz is the best archive format imo ('cause its more easily readable on all boxes than .tar.bz2) |
| 10:12:40 | DrJones | I had to get winzip :) |
| 10:12:55 | Indi-- | heh |
| 10:13:04 | Indi-- | its one of the first things i install on every machine |
| 10:13:11 | Indi-- | well, used to be... |
| 10:13:41 | Indi-- | ive been trying to think up diag tools discs that i could burn to a bootable CD and sell to various windows sysadmins around the area |
| 10:13:52 | Indi-- | theyd have to be dead simple to use tho... bloody windows 'admins' ;) |
| 10:13:55 | DrJones | That would be cool! |
| 10:14:09 | Indi-- | nods |
| 10:14:16 | Indi-- | i used to build and repair doze PC's long ago |
| 10:14:27 | Indi-- | be nice to have a burn in test and some recovery type tools |
| 10:14:31 | Indi-- | that arent to hard to use |
| 10:14:56 | Indi-- | you can buy them but there quite expensive from commercial closed src vendors |
| 10:15:27 | DrJones | hmm... the bootblaster that I got doesn't seem to have a binary. |
| 10:18:49 | Indi-- | have a search on freshmeat and sourceforge for 'recovery cd' |
| 10:18:52 | Indi-- | theres quite a selection already |
| 10:19:13 | DrJones | But Id like to do this from XP, I don't have a linux box here at home right now. |
| 10:19:54 | Indi-- | bootblaster is a CE .exe |
| 10:19:58 | Indi-- | ull know it when you see it |
| 10:20:07 | Indi-- | dunno what the problem is, worked fine for me |
| 10:20:14 | DrJones | oh! |
| 10:20:23 | DrJones | ok, didn't get that the first time. :) |
| 10:20:30 | Indi-- | heh |
| 10:20:38 | Indi-- | you get to wait -again- |
| 10:20:42 | Indi-- | while it backs up the roms |
| 10:20:47 | Indi-- | lucky you ;) |
| 10:20:58 | DrJones | ITs still backing up.. (/windows) now. |
| 12:16:00 | G3 | hello all |
| 12:16:03 | G3 | how to compile kernel for iPaq? |
| 12:24:50 | G3 | Somebody already compiled kernel for iPaq here? I only need documentations! Since already I am thankful. |
| 12:37:16 | DrJones | Im trying to backup the wince (gz) with bootblaster, but its giving me an error (bad write) anyone know why? |
| 13:08:53 | G3 | whereis kernel source .tar.gz for download? |
| 13:28:51 | Indi- | DrJones: ur keen... |
| 13:28:55 | Indi- | still up ? |
| 13:38:37 | Kyber|away | DrJones: no free storage space? |
| 13:38:44 | Kyber|away | perhaps |
| 13:39:17 | G3 | cvs export http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/base/fileutils/ ? |
| 13:39:19 | G3 | cvs export: No CVSROOT specified! Please use the `-d' option |
| 13:39:21 | G3 | cvs [export aborted]: or set the CVSROOT environment variable. |
| 13:39:23 | G3 | :/ |
| 13:43:21 | G3 | cvs export http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/base/fileutils/ |
| 13:43:24 | G3 | ops |
| 15:30:24 | mr_tron | hey. Need som help getting the x server to work on an ipaq. |
| 15:30:51 | mr_tron | 1. thing 1. where can I find the x server for familiar on ipaq? |
| 15:33:57 | Indi- | ipkg list | grep x ? :) |
| 15:37:41 | mr_tron | Indi: it returned "not found" |
| 15:49:08 | mr_tron | We cant donwload task-complete from familiar.handhelds.org! Host not found... :( |
| 16:00:21 | Indi-- | i seem to get the following error a lot: |
| 16:00:23 | Indi-- | Warning: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for ruby-tk: |
| 16:00:23 | Indi-- | libc (>= 2.2.2) |
| 16:00:26 | Indi-- | for avrious packages |
| 16:00:37 | Indi-- | where's libc ? (if anywhere) |
| 16:00:52 | Indi-- | i thought a lot of things wouldve depended on it... |
| 16:03:28 | G3 | ipkg upgrade libc |
| 16:04:26 | Indi-- | sh-2.03# ipkg upgrade libc |
| 16:04:27 | Indi-- | Segmentation fault |
| 16:04:29 | Indi-- | praps not... |
| 16:05:22 | G3 | ipkg update |
| 16:05:41 | G3 | ipkg upgrade ipkg ipkg-conf |
| 16:05:44 | G3 | ipkg upgrade libc |
| 16:11:27 | G3 | someone know where is kernel source of the familiar? not cvs please |
| 16:33:40 | smok | Is ther a problem with the v0.6 rc1 images on familiar.handhelds.org ? |
| 16:34:01 | smok | I can't get any of the ones I have tried to boot |
| 19:17:33 | G3 | make[2]: arm-linux-gcc: Command not found |
| 19:18:59 | G3 | ? |
| 19:22:36 | G3 | compiling kernel 2.4.19 make[2]: arm-linux-gcc: Command not found ???? |
| 19:35:16 | bikerian | greetings |
| 19:35:29 | bikerian | anyone alive? |
| 19:37:03 | G3 | no |
| 19:38:24 | bikerian | looks like your right :) |
| 19:38:59 | anders | Hello, I have a question regarding the familiar 0.6 version. Is there anybody how know anything about it present? |
| 19:39:19 | bikerian | heh, well given I just installed it... no ;) |
| 19:39:38 | anders | did you get it booting? |
| 19:39:54 | bikerian | hmm, yes |
| 19:40:13 | bikerian | I gave up at the usb networking however... didnt seem to like it |
| 19:40:26 | anders | ok, i didn't... |
| 19:41:03 | bikerian | what happened? |
| 19:41:14 | anders | I have had 5.2 for some time, but when I upgraded it doesn't boot |
| 19:42:36 | bikerian | fails completely? or part way thru coming up? |
| 19:42:46 | anders | the /boot dir is missing I think... can't make 'ls /boot' from the bootloader |
| 19:43:29 | anders | it says: find_inode failed for name=boot |
| 19:43:41 | bikerian | I suspect this is rather the blind leading the partially sighted |
| 19:44:00 | bikerian | did you do full reinstall? |
| 19:45:14 | anders | yes, I even reinstalled the bootloader even though I already had the 2.18.01 installed |
| 19:46:56 | bikerian | heh, well given you have got further than me in the past... perhaps you can help me... |
| 19:47:02 | bikerian | heh |
| 19:47:26 | anders | hmmm, I'll try... |
| 19:47:41 | bikerian | well got installed and booted, and tried the usb networking |
| 19:47:50 | bikerian | both show good ifconfig |
| 19:48:18 | bikerian | both can ping themselves, and removing and plugging cable gives the recommended messages |
| 19:48:25 | bikerian | but cant ping eachother |
| 19:48:40 | bikerian | ipaq 3800 and linux 7.1 |
| 19:49:36 | anders | ok, Is routing table and everything in order? |
| 19:50:10 | bikerian | ipag shows default route is PC, PC shows 192.168.1.0 is usb |
| 19:50:24 | bikerian | looked ok... |
| 19:50:38 | anders | what is the IP of your iPAQ?` |
| 19:50:44 | bikerian | the ipaq shows a tunneling device (occasionally) |
| 19:50:50 | bikerian | 192.168.1.101 |
| 19:50:56 | bikerian | pc is 192.168.1.100 |
| 19:51:05 | bikerian | + lan + lo |
| 19:52:00 | bikerian | my guess is pc end... |
| 19:52:18 | bikerian | but ping from ipaq should still work |
| 19:52:57 | anders | mine too... But on the other hand ping should still work from the iPAQ side |
| 19:53:14 | bikerian | indeed |
| 19:53:24 | anders | is the PC connected to something else? |
| 19:53:30 | bikerian | is usbnet stable under 7.1 ? |
| 19:53:36 | bikerian | well its on lan, thats about i |
| 19:53:37 | bikerian | t |
| 19:53:52 | bikerian | its a clean install on dell |
| 19:54:12 | anders | can you ping the something else outside of your PC from the iPAQ |
| 19:54:39 | bikerian | nothing on lan, didnt try further afield than that |
| 19:55:25 | G3 | bikerian echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4_ip_forward;modprobe iptable_nat;iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 19:56:00 | G3 | bikerian you ping router? |
| 19:56:11 | anders | 7.1 --> Mandrake ?? |
| 19:56:16 | bikerian | 7.1 RH |
| 19:56:22 | bikerian | not running iptables however |
| 19:56:31 | bikerian | its just on lan |
| 19:56:41 | bikerian | I have to run iptables? |
| 19:57:03 | anders | no, sorry no RH user... |
| 19:57:17 | G3 | bikerian you ping router? |
| 19:58:19 | bikerian | cant ping from ipaq beyond its external IP on usbnet |
| 19:58:51 | G3 | bikerian route -n and ping default gateway? |
| 19:59:25 | bikerian | its almost as if cable wasnt in... tragically the setup is at work, I will try further tomorrow monring |
| 19:59:35 | bikerian | check the routing table on ipaq... k |
| 19:59:50 | bikerian | I should expect a default gateway of the PC usb IP |
| 20:00:37 | G3 | bikerian you pc have make routing using iptables |
| 20:09:24 | bikerian | even without routing I should be able to ping across link ? |
| 20:09:47 | bikerian | sorry, having a childbirth thing (angel fish) |
| 22:20:06 | | i think gpe is the GPE Palmtop Environment and can be found at http://gpe.handhelds.org/ - Join #gpe to chat about it. |
| 22:20:06 | gdsx | ibot: gpe? |
