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07:47.29wonidHello
07:48.11wonidI guess everyone here has ipaqs?
07:49.23wonidAnyone know if the usb/serial (combo) sync cable for the 3800 model, will work on the 3700 .. ? or could it work with modification?
07:50.20wonidIs there a difference between the 3700 and 3800 USB/Power/RS232 port?
07:50.24wonid:)
07:51.09wonidIf someone answers i'm appreciative    /me going to idle for a while
07:51.53a7rwonid: hey
07:52.01wonidhiya
07:53.31wonidAny ideas about using a 3800 usb/serial combination sync cable with a 3760?
07:53.43wonidto install familiar no less
07:54.18a7rI don't have a 3800, but IIRC the serial cable is the same.
07:54.20wonidHmm.. perhaps someone knows where i can purchase the clip type cable ends...
07:54.28a7rthey're foxconn
07:54.33a7rI don't remember the part number.
07:54.43wonidhmm cool
07:55.06wonidhow'd you find that out?
07:55.23wonidif you dont mind me asking... just looking for clues
07:55.23a7rby looking. :)
07:55.29wonid:)
07:55.43wonidfoxconn is on the clip i guess
07:55.47wonidwritten on
07:56.25wonidI believe the connector itself is a hirose DF13 or something..
07:57.11wonidYou have familar on your ipaq  a7r?
07:57.21a7ryup.
07:57.35wonidTried snes9x?
07:57.51wonidpackage
07:57.59wonidemulator..
07:59.04wonidBTW, what do you mean but  IIRC?
07:59.15wonidbuy
07:59.17wonidby
07:59.18wonidack
08:00.13a7rhttp://www.services.foxconn.com/store/default.asp?category.Id=%7B11D38688-EDB1-457B-B55D-D929F297B022%7D&Category.CategorySnum=CAT0000000156&category.name=Connectors(Cables)
08:00.21a7rIf I Remember Correctly
08:02.22wonidHey nice Thanks!
08:02.58a7rnp.
08:03.04wonidI think,,,
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10:32.37LuXmanlo
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13:43.12freigeistHello everyone
13:43.32freigeistanyone awake?
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14:11.29F4Lc0NHi. I have an iPaq H3850 running Familiar 0.6.1, and just bought a Dual PC Card Expansion Pack Plus. Will I need to reinstall the whole Linux when I use the expansion pack and the two netweork cards ? (Ethernet and wireless)
14:13.12NallicF4Lc0N: you just need the right modules, pcmcia support and the right entrys in /etc/pcmcia/config
14:13.49NallicF4Lc0N: most of this is probably already install
14:14.09F4Lc0Nok, that is what I wantd to know, great  :)
14:14.16F4Lc0Njust have tomess with the config  ....
14:15.15Nalliconly thing that can trick you is, you need to set up the pcmcia config.. there is already entrys for most cards
14:15.35Nallicbut its not enough just to load the modules by hand.. you ned cardmgr to load them
14:16.03F4Lc0Nyeah, I saw the compatibility page on www.handhelds.org, and some of my cards are supported ....
14:16.17F4Lc0NI just wanted to know I didn't have to reinstall
14:16.24Nallicok.. then just plug them in :)
14:17.15F4Lc0NAlthough, my favorite card for that job doesn't seem to be working yet (or maybe the page is outdated on it).... it is a 3Com Megahertz with 56K modem .... do you know anything about it ?
14:17.36F4Lc0Nall my other cards are just network, and I would lkove to have network+modem
14:18.19NallicF4Lc0N: try too look more generally around, if linux supports it on the pc, sp should it probably on familiar
14:19.28F4Lc0Nok, cool ....
14:19.31F4Lc0Nthanks ...
14:19.34F4Lc0Nanother thing .....
14:22.30F4Lc0NI am getting in a couple days my Toshiba 5GB HDD PCMCIA ...... I want to make the iPaq dual boot (winCE on the local standard memory, and full distro (with compilers) on the PCMCIA HDD (Intimate, I think) ..... I will reinstall the whole thing then .... But then again .... I mught need both PCMCIA slots while in Linux (ethernet/wireless bridge), can I install part of the linux on the normal memory and the rest on the HDD ? like by partitions i
14:25.30Nallicim not sure if you can have wince and linux in the same rom..
14:32.01F4Lc0Nok :(
14:35.03F4Lc0Nyeah, you are right ... bootloaders don't allow to boot by pertitions like lilo ... only be media (PCMCIA HDD, FlashROM, CF, etc...)
14:35.44F4Lc0NI might have to install the basic Linux on the FlashROM, and WinCE (bootable) and the rest of the Linux distro on the PCMCIA HDD ....
14:41.28Nallici could imagine that wince would complain if it was run from anything else than the rom.. but its worth a try :)
14:42.39pb_You can't install CE anywhere other than internal flash.
14:42.49Nallicpocket pc uses the ram for your files
14:43.20Nallicso running linux, would probably wipe the files , maybe you can backup the ram, before starting linux..
14:53.52F4Lc0N:(
14:53.55F4Lc0Nok, will try it
14:55.41F4Lc0NNew question .... I want to use my screen horizontally, not vertically, like in: http://intimate.handhelds.org/images/80x24term.jpg (with the horizontal keyboard too) .... how can I change that in Familiar 0.6.1 ?
14:55.57pb_try "xrandr -o left"
14:55.59F4Lc0NI have tried modifying /etc/init/d/opie, but doesnt do anything ...
14:56.09pb_oh, in opie?
14:56.15Nallicopie-rotatescreen
14:56.44F4Lc0Nopie-rotatescreen ---> not existant
14:57.05F4Lc0Nxrandr ---> not existant
14:57.40Nallicsorry opie-rotation
14:58.05F4Lc0NNothing starting with opie-ro* exists ....
14:58.19Nallictry adding ipkg install in front of it
14:58.21F4Lc0Nonly opie-login and opie-reorganize are opie-* apps
14:58.25F4Lc0Nok
15:01.30F4Lc0Nbrb
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15:58.26LuXmanlux all
16:19.23LuXmanil y a une operation special pour charger la root sur un ipaq 3870 ?
16:19.32LuXmancar load root marche po
16:19.42LuXmanhelp me ....arf
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16:30.42pippoloHi all!
16:37.05LuXmanlux pippolo
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16:55.56LuXmanhelp me
16:56.12LuXmani don't install familiar from ipaq 3870
16:56.55LuXmanquelqu'un a deja install une familiar sur ipaq 3870 ?
16:58.53pb_LuXman: what problem are you experiencing?
16:59.11LuXman<PROTECTED>
16:59.11LuXmanCCCC.....Too many errors during receive; giving up.                      
16:59.11LuXmandownload error. aborting.                      
16:59.45NallicLuXman: tryed at a lower baudrate ?
16:59.57pb_LuXman: which terminal program are you using?
17:00.27LuXmanipossible  no i work  115200 8N1  
17:00.32LuXmanminicom
17:00.46pb_are you sure the ymodem software is installed?
17:01.04LuXmanyes
17:01.23pb_you checked for /usr/bin/sx?
17:01.33pb_or /usr/bin/sb
17:01.44LuXmanok i find now
17:02.24LuXmanusr/bin/sb: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
17:02.33pb_sounds like the software is not installed.
17:02.38LuXman/usr/bin/sx: Aucun fichier ou répertoire de ce type
17:02.46pb_you probably need to obtain the lrzsz package and install it on your machine.
17:03.04LuXmanapt-get install lrzsz
17:03.06pb_yes
17:03.08LuXmanit's ok
17:03.55Nallicdoes a "load root" first download to ram ?
17:04.04LuXmanyes
17:04.17LuXmani don t now ...realy
17:04.18Nallicso a save root, cant be used as an backup
17:04.36Nallictheres not room for a load of 32 mb's
17:04.58Nallic(on a machine with 32 mb rom / 32 mb ram)
17:05.06LuXmanok
17:05.13Nallicits a question ;)
17:05.17LuXman3870 ...
17:05.28LuXman32 mb rom
17:05.39LuXman64 ram
17:05.49LuXmanno
17:05.54Nallici only have a 3630
17:09.07LuXmanSending bootopie-v061-03.jffs2, 83968 blocks: Give your local x XMODEM receive command now.                
17:09.13LuXmanit 's good
17:09.53LuXman<PROTECTED>
17:10.00LuXmanno good
17:10.23pb_You need to use YMODEM, not XMODEM.
17:10.46Nallicpb_: bootldr defaults to xmodem
17:11.10pb_Nallic: not any more
17:11.20Nallicok..
17:11.22LuXman<PROTECTED>
17:11.30LuXmani think
17:14.59LuXmanunlock flash for ipaq 3870
17:15.41LuXmanzarb
17:16.14LuXmanXmodem sectors/kbytes sent:   0/ 0kRetry 0: Got fe for secto
17:16.29LuXmanxRetry 0: Got 08 for sector ACK
17:17.34LuXmanxRetry 0: Got 08 for sector ACK
17:24.16LuXman0Don't understand command B00000000000000bo
17:24.25LuXmantranfert incomplete
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17:48.18LuXmanrs'
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18:04.49LuXmanpflash addr len 0                                                        
18:04.49LuXmanerror parsing addr: addr
18:05.06LuXmanjuste on idee
18:34.35LuXman<PROTECTED>
18:34.38LuXmanwhat
18:34.41LuXmanhelp me
18:51.47LuXmanwhat 's the problem  Got 08 for sector ACK    
19:27.43NallicLuXman: could you be a little more verbose maybe..
19:28.18LuXmansorry
19:28.22LuXmanit s ok
19:28.38NallicLuXman: you got it working ?
19:30.07LuXmanno
19:31.37LuXmanI do not arrive htere the installtion does not function
19:32.23Nallicwhat part of the installation does not work ?
19:32.50LuXmani do no speak well very well (written) well in englisj
19:33.06LuXmans/j/h
19:33.35Nallici understand you..
19:35.22LuXmanmy probleme is as follows impossible to install root
19:36.19LuXmanyou can help me
19:36.31LuXmanNallic:
19:37.14Nallicthe bootloader is working ok ?
19:40.55LuXmanyes
19:43.01LuXmanI think that it is a problem flash of the partition wince
19:44.45LuXmanyou can take a step to me does have for that
19:49.26LuXmansomebody a alrready installs a familiar on a ipaq 3870
20:29.55NallicLuXman: have you followed some of the step by step instructions ?
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22:48.41ChrisGVEI amm
22:48.43ChrisGVEI all
22:49.17ChrisGVEI just bought a 3970... fine piece of hw... but wince is really a piece of crap...
22:50.47ChrisGVEI have some difficulties with it though... installing familiar 0.7
23:08.47LuXmannallic
23:10.45LuXmanJ have much problem to install the famimiliar hard my ipaq 3870
23:12.27LuXmani does no include or i could make a fault
23:13.36LuXmani strike muyself the head tale a wall
23:23.06LuXmanune partie de tetrinet
23:54.31LuXmanune partie de tetrinet sur tetrinet.nerim.net

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