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| 06:39.44 | mboman | help! |
| 06:39.58 | mboman | boot> load bootldr |
| 06:39.58 | mboman | partition bootldr is a bootldr partition: |
| 06:39.58 | mboman | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.58 | mboman | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:39.58 | mboman | loading flash region bootldr |
| 06:39.59 | mboman | using xmodem |
| 06:40.01 | mboman | ready for xmodem download.. |
| 06:40.03 | mboman | writing flash.. |
| 06:40.05 | mboman | addr: 00000000 data: EA00008F |
| 06:40.07 | mboman | addr: 00010000 data: E24B3901 |
| 06:40.09 | mboman | addr: 00020000 data: E3530000 |
| 06:40.11 | mboman | addr: 00030000 data: F1D4E242 |
| 06:40.14 | mboman | verifying ... |
| 06:40.15 | mboman | done. |
| 06:40.17 | mboman | startAddress :00000000 |
| 06:40.19 | mboman | limitAddress :0003A080 |
| 06:40.21 | mboman | Protecting sector 00000000 |
| 06:40.23 | mboman | Protect=00010001 |
| 06:40.25 | mboman | boot> RXSTAT error: 00000020 |
| 06:44.50 | mboman | anyone here? |
| 06:45.01 | mboman | i am afraid that I am getting a brick here.. |
| 06:50.07 | mboman | i think i got it. Tried to download it again, being faster on selecting the file (as described at http://handhelds.org/pipermail/familiar/2001-August/001546.html) |
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| 06:53.21 | mboman | hi Nallic |
| 06:53.36 | Nallic | mboman: hello there :) |
| 06:54.20 | mboman | Nallic: almost turned my iPaq into a brick |
| 06:54.45 | mboman | luckely I found this URL: http://handhelds.org/pipermail/familiar/2001-August/001546.html |
| 06:54.51 | mboman | google is the king! ;) |
| 06:54.51 | Nallic | mboman: ok :/,, what went wrong ? |
| 06:55.08 | mboman | <mboman> boot> load bootldr |
| 06:55.09 | mboman | <mboman> partition bootldr is a bootldr partition: |
| 06:55.09 | mboman | <mboman> requiring a bootldr or parrot image. |
| 06:55.09 | mboman | <mboman> After receiving file, will automatically uncompress .gz images |
| 06:55.09 | mboman | <mboman> loading flash region bootldr |
| 06:55.09 | mboman | <mboman> using xmodem |
| 06:55.11 | mboman | <mboman> ready for xmodem download.. |
| 06:55.13 | mboman | <mboman> writing flash.. |
| 06:55.16 | mboman | <mboman> addr: 00000000 data: EA00008F |
| 06:55.18 | mboman | <mboman> addr: 00010000 data: E24B3901 |
| 06:55.19 | mboman | <mboman> addr: 00020000 data: E3530000 |
| 06:55.21 | mboman | <mboman> addr: 00030000 data: F1D4E242 |
| 06:55.23 | mboman | <mboman> verifying ... |
| 06:55.25 | mboman | <mboman> done. |
| 06:55.27 | mboman | <mboman> startAddress :00000000 |
| 06:55.29 | mboman | <mboman> limitAddress :0003A080 |
| 06:55.31 | mboman | <mboman> Protecting sector 00000000 |
| 06:55.33 | mboman | <mboman> Protect=00010001 |
| 06:55.35 | mboman | <mboman> boot> RXSTAT error: 00000020 |
| 06:56.26 | mboman | got a lot of NAK errors while sending the file |
| 06:56.42 | mboman | apparently I just was too slow selecting the file to send.. |
| 06:57.02 | Nallic | ok.. just be sure not to turn off the ipaq if something like that happens |
| 06:57.22 | mboman | yeah, i know. I have heard the horror stories.. |
| 06:57.37 | mboman | friend of mine made a brick out of his and had to send it to US.. |
| 06:58.59 | mboman | i've read that you can dual-boot the iPaq.. how does that work? |
| 06:59.30 | Nallic | so you have pocket pc & linux ? |
| 06:59.37 | mboman | yes |
| 07:00.12 | Nallic | i think you need to have all of linux on a cf card.. and windows in the internal flash |
| 07:00.15 | Nallic | but |
| 07:00.34 | Nallic | windows does not use flash for storage, it uses the ipaq ram |
| 07:00.53 | Nallic | so when you load linux, it will erase all of the windows data.. |
| 07:01.07 | mboman | ok.. then not very feasable then.. |
| 07:01.24 | Nallic | i don't know if there is any patches for the kernal that will make linux cooporate whit the windows ramdisk |
| 07:01.43 | mboman | have the symlink issues been fixed? last time I tried familiar I had problem installing software on CF |
| 07:02.03 | Nallic | no, its not very usable.. but you can have both, just windows will be reset everytime linux is started |
| 07:02.12 | mboman | (trying out 0.7rc3 now) |
| 07:02.36 | Nallic | mboman: i don't know about that.. haven't tried it myself.. |
| 07:03.18 | mboman | ok.. anyway.. it would be possible to run two familiar installations side by side.. on in iPaq internal memory, and one on CF - right? |
| 07:03.45 | mboman | in case 0.7 is too unstable to use for everyday usage, but want to help out bugfixing it.. |
| 07:04.18 | Nallic | mboman: yes, i should think so.. |
| 07:04.52 | Nallic | hmm.. well, maybe it could be a problem suspending the device |
| 07:05.10 | Nallic | if that ejects the cf |
| 07:06.52 | mboman | so some hacking of scripts will be required, so it won't eject the CF.. |
| 07:07.34 | mboman | i have done worse hacks then that.. |
| 07:07.43 | Nallic | yes, probably |
| 07:08.03 | Nallic | hehe.. maybe it should be done nicely instead of hacks ;) |
| 07:09.07 | mboman | maintainer-acceptable-hacks then ;) |
| 07:09.19 | mboman | everything is hacks |
| 07:09.45 | mboman | MS Windows is a hack even.. quickly written with poor documentation and many bugs ;) |
| 07:09.54 | Nallic | hehe ;) |
| 07:10.47 | mboman | and once the software gets somewhat stable they stop selling and supporting it.. |
| 07:10.56 | mboman | (as with NT4) |
| 07:11.24 | mboman | NT4 is not state of the art, but it was pretty much bug-fixed or had well-known, well-documented bugs.. |
| 07:11.56 | Nallic | and make a new one, so people are happy "oh, they really fix things!" ;) |
| 07:12.25 | mboman | but I guess MSCE certified consultants needs work to do.. |
| 07:12.51 | mboman | actually, i don't think we will ever see a system that maintains itself.. Human Greed will see to it.. |
| 07:13.17 | mboman | if it goes too stable they add features (and bugs) |
| 07:13.18 | Nallic | ;) not maintains.. |
| 07:13.40 | Nallic | but i have seen linux boxes, that just keeps running for years without maintainance |
| 07:13.51 | Nallic | mailservers etc.. |
| 07:14.36 | mboman | I wish commercial software could be held responsible for it's actions. Where software are fit for a particular purpose and the software vendor takes their responsibilities when their software fsck's up.. |
| 07:15.45 | mboman | commercial software = software that distirbutes binary only or has a look-but-dont-touch source code license.. |
| 07:16.00 | Nallic | they explicitly deny anything like that, when you install it ;).. they know it would bankrupt them probably |
| 07:16.04 | mboman | commercial software != free (beer) |
| 07:16.29 | mboman | yes. People who trust faith in their invension doesn't need to hide. |
| 07:17.15 | mboman | some hardware vendors offers lifetime warranty on their products.. it means that they are responsible about what they are doing |
| 07:18.25 | mboman | i would guess hardware lifetime is calculated as "as long the hardware is being activly used and has not been replaced with other technologies".. |
| 07:19.28 | mboman | but then again, i don't know.. and I haven't heard about any case where the vendor has backed down on their warranty promisies.. |
| 07:19.44 | mboman | lifetime warrananty = as long the company still exists? |
| 07:23.58 | mboman | anyway, for CF disks - should I choose vfat or ext[23] format? |
| 07:29.16 | mboman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:58.52 | mboman | Nallic: I am back ;) |
| 07:59.58 | mboman | have problems getting my Xircom CEM56-100 card working.. I seem to lack driver.. do you happen to know what driver it would like to use? |
| 08:02.52 | Nallic | mboman: you should use ext2 or 3 |
| 08:03.19 | Nallic | dont use jffs or something.. the cf should handle flash wear out itself |
| 08:03.58 | Nallic | be sure it is in the pcmcia configuration, with correct vendor id etc.. |
| 08:04.19 | Nallic | you cant load the modules manually.. cardmgr has to detect it and insert the drivers |
| 08:04.28 | Nallic | im away.. |
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| 11:06.58 | wizly | hi |
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| 12:47.52 | faiz | Hi... I'm looking for info on Japanese iPaqs |
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| 15:02.26 | slax0r | hello all |
| 15:02.44 | slax0r | has anyone in here successfully installed linux on an Audiovox Maestro? |
| 15:03.37 | mboman | no, not me anyway.. never heard about that device before now even ;) |
| 15:03.46 | slax0r | ah |
| 15:04.01 | slax0r | it's a Toshiba e540 made for audiovox basically |
| 15:04.08 | slax0r | but the rom isnt flashable |
| 15:09.01 | mboman | ok |
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