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13:19.03FR^2hiho
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15:51.23CraHanhappy new year to all!
15:51.37CraHanand a quick question for those who are awake :)
15:52.02CraHanI installed smbfs-tools on the ipaq, but it keeps complaining about codepages and the smb.conf file not being available
15:52.16CraHanis there a specific package I need to install in order to get those files?
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21:29.36maxPhello all
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21:29.55JasonMHi all
21:30.25maxPanyone used familiar on a h5500?
21:30.38JasonMNot I, I'm afraid.
21:30.52JasonMJust started playing with it on a h3630
21:31.37maxPonce i power it off  I have to do a hard reset followed by a sft reset to get it working again.
21:31.51JasonMOo - not nice.
21:32.20JasonMWhat version of familiar are you using and what environment?
21:32.31maxP.72 stable gpe
21:32.55JasonMHmm. I'm running .72 stable opie
21:32.57JasonMNo trouble here.
21:33.23maxPwhen the unit is powered on the svreen is full of large multi color blocks, seemd to be an x problem
21:33.32JasonMX?
21:33.45JasonMOh - of course, yeah. gpe uses an X server.
21:34.02maxPwell bemabe it not called x-server
21:34.48maxPwhats your opinion on opie?
21:34.54JasonMOpie is nice.
21:35.10JasonMReasonably quick, very skinnable (if you like that sort of thing)
21:35.12JasonMCompact
21:35.16maxPi may give it ago. is it stable?
21:35.19JasonMgpe does use an X server
21:35.26JasonMYeah, opie is stable.
21:35.33maxPthats what i meant
21:35.40maxPdoes it have amail client?
21:35.50JasonMEr... yeah
21:35.54JasonMIts not in the bundle though
21:36.08JasonMYou have to install it seperately it appears.
21:36.22maxPthats not a problem,   could i use gps drive with opie?
21:36.27JasonMI'm running Opie on a Zaurus SL5500 and an iPaq 3630
21:36.50JasonMGPS - as in Global Positioning?
21:36.53maxPyes
21:37.00JasonMNo idea.
21:37.08JasonMI can check :)
21:37.35maxPok, I think I'll give it a go.   Thanks for r help
21:38.11JasonMCheck ipkgfind.handhelds.org for more packages
21:38.34JasonMnp.
21:38.47maxPok, happy new year.. CYA
21:38.58JasonMDon't suppose you know anything about PC card jackets and PC card hard disks under ...
21:38.58JasonMnever mine.
21:39.01JasonM*mind
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21:52.05JasonMAnyone home?
21:57.09CraHanyeah :)
21:57.48JasonMHeya
21:57.52CraHanhey there
21:58.24JasonMKnow anything about PCMCIA handling in familiar?
21:58.31CraHannot really no
21:58.41JasonMAh well. It was worth asking :)
21:58.45CraHanlooking into buying a pcmcia sleeve myself :)
21:58.54JasonMRight
21:58.55CraHanso I'll probably be in here asking the same stuff as you
21:59.02JasonMHeh
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22:55.05purrrhello
22:55.08purrr:)
22:55.09JasonMGreetings
22:55.26purrrhehehe
22:55.36purrrhow are you?
22:55.42JasonMI'm good. Yourself?
22:56.28purrryeah, pretty good, just having a look around on here
23:31.52CraHananyone here that uses perl?
23:31.58CraHanmore specifically on the ipaq?
23:32.31JasonMUsed... or just installed ?
23:32.56CraHanwell I have it installed, but compiling new modules results in a MakeMaker.pm error
23:33.06CraHanso I was wondering if anyone had the same problem
23:33.30JasonMDo you need gcc at all?
23:33.51CraHanno idea
23:34.01CraHandon't think so, all it needs is the makemaker.pm module
23:34.09CraHanseems a lot of perl modules need that
23:34.29CraHanthe perl-base package for familiar seems to be just that, the basic stuff
23:34.32JasonMdo you need make, amake or gmake?
23:34.41CraHanno idea...
23:34.46CraHanmight as well try it
23:34.55CraHanmy first steps with perl ;)
23:35.04CraHandon't think so though
23:35.05JasonMWell - 'makemaker' sounds like it creates makefiles.
23:35.14JasonMAnd makefiles generally require 'make'
23:35.15CraHanyeah, but it's a perl script apparently
23:35.36CraHanthe way you use the makefile is by running perl Makefile.pl
23:36.08CraHandunno if it calls make or anything though
23:36.28JasonMWell - I'm a little fuzzy on the details - its been a while since I've used perl on anything.
23:36.35CraHansame here
23:36.55CraHanin my case 'been a while' can be read as 'never'
23:36.58JasonMHave you tried downloading perl modules using CPAN?
23:37.11CraHanno idea how that works to be honest
23:37.16CraHanI'll look into that
23:37.20JasonMHmm
23:37.32JasonMThere's a command to invoke an interactive thingy for it.
23:37.49JasonMBuilt into perl.
23:38.22CraHanlooks like the perl version for familiar doesn't include the CPAN.pm file
23:38.34CraHanprobably going to have to get that from their site first
23:41.31JasonMAh
23:41.39JasonMYou found the command line thingy to activate it?
23:41.49CraHantried running it yeah
23:41.52CraHanbut it gave an error
23:41.58CraHanperl -MCPAN -e shell
23:42.08CraHanCan't locate CPAN.pm
23:42.14CraHanetc etc
23:42.27CraHanso I'm guessing that I need to get the CPAN.pm module first
23:43.37JasonMRight
23:43.39JasonMHmm
23:43.54CraHanok getting the cpan module now
23:45.06CraHanand found the makemaker module too
23:50.48purrrmy fiancee is a perl programmer
23:51.21purrr*random piece of near useless information*
23:53.37CraHanhaha
23:54.03CraHanwell, it seems that the perl ipk in familiar provides the minimal stuff
23:54.16CraHanif I want more I'll have to compile all modules for it
23:54.18CraHanor
23:54.33CraHanI could of course look at the binary arm packages for debian
23:54.45CraHanand see if no precompiled perl modules are available there
23:54.47JasonMI just wish my darn H3630 would stop acting up
23:54.55purrrand my dad wrote a samba book :<
23:55.01CraHanwhat's it doing JasonM?
23:55.02purrrim doomed to a life living with geeks
23:55.26CraHanpurrr: yeah I know what you mean, my gf programs testsoftware for televisions
23:55.33CraHanshe knows more about c/c++ than me
23:55.37purrrlol
23:55.59purrrc was OK it was java that screwed my brain
23:56.10CraHani jumped directly to java
23:56.28purrrwelp i dont like it :<
23:57.28JasonMOh - sorry.
23:57.28JasonMTwo things:
23:57.54JasonMIt won't recognise my Tosh 2Gb PC Card HD in linux (the bootloader recognises it and read the flash file from it)
23:58.03JasonMAnd it only works when booted after flashing
23:58.18JasonMA reboot after that causes it to hang at the penguin logo.
23:58.22CraHanhmm
23:58.26CraHanrather nasty
23:59.01purrrtheres only two problems of living with geeks, their computer parts and tech books stashed around the place, half not working/not used anymore for whatever reason, and the other problem is when you call them and all you hear on the other end of the phone is "tappety-tap"

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