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00:04.30NafaiAnyone around?
00:09.17quaqoBye
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02:37.34biohazrdnafai, i am :)
02:37.44biohazrdbut i have found this is not a very active channel
02:38.51biohazrdin 14 hours 8 comments were made
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03:33.35Nafaibiohazrd: No kidding.  Anyway, do you know what is the space requirement for familiar?
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10:07.38SoulSeHi
10:07.53SoulSeis this room for Familiar Linux discussions?
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11:32.57quaqoHi!
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14:59.22josh_hi i was wondering if any one knew if there was hardware suport for the dell pda's in the curent distro
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15:20.40josh_any one know about hardware suport for the dell pdas as the only way im going to leave my palm is if i can get a linux pda at a reasonable price (zaurus is very nice but are serious money and my zire was 20$)
15:22.47josh_gess not
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18:38.59ipacmancan anyone give me some help with a linux install on a compaq iPAQ 3870
18:40.16ipacmanhello anyone home
18:51.56ipacmancan anyone give me some help with a linux install on a compaq iPAQ 3870
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21:28.10quaqoBye
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22:07.05chuckr-question: besize ipaq, what platforms is familiar supported on?  Zaurus?
22:07.43JasonMI beleive it might be, yes. But the Zaurus has projects of its own.
22:16.19chuckrI know a lot about those, thanks, I know very little about familiar, excepting that I've stolen (well, that's a bit strong) your ipkg code and mad eit work on Cacko's x11 rom
22:16.39chuckrI was wondering if the familiar distribution could be run on the Zaurus,k if it was worth looing into that?
22:17.13JasonMNo idea; sorry.
22:19.16chuckr(hopefulyy, this will be taken as a friendly note, from someone with a lot of experience on mailing list, but little on IRCs: if your answer is "I don't know", then don't answer, because what you are usually doing is getting others, who might know, to look away ("I don't need to bother, Joe's handling it").  I'm not upset or anything, just trying to pass along a note about netcourtesy.
22:20.24JasonMI'm no familiar developer.
22:20.48JasonMI just dont like leaving questions unanswered, even if the answer is 'I don't know'.
22:27.06chuckrI have a zaurus, and I just wish there was a real buyable 4G sd fflash, but even with what I have, it's gods gift to programmers, isn'tit?
22:27.25JasonMThe Zaurus?
22:27.39JasonMI wouldn't attempt compiling stuff on the Zaurus directly.
22:28.17JasonMYou are better off setting up a cross compiling environment on a desktop machine.
22:28.24chuckrit's a xscale based thing with 128m of ram, and I have 1.5G of flash (1g cf, 0.5 sd) in it, runs x11, gcc, python, and the usual cast of characters
22:28.50JasonM128Mb of RAM?
22:28.52chuckrI'm compiling myh fool head off, and I have never had so much fun!
22:28.58chuckryup
22:28.59JasonMWhich Zaurus is that?
22:29.50chuckr(realize, i might be in error somewhere here, but I'm about 98% sure of my facts) I have the SL-C760.  The latest is the SL-C860, but that's a software only upgrade, and the first thing I do is toss the software.
22:30.26JasonMIf my memory serves, the C760 has 128Mb of FlashROM, and either 64 or 96Mb of SDRAM.
22:30.28chuckrit's got, among other things a full keyboard, and a 640x480 screen ("CG Silicon" that's damned bright
22:30.40JasonMAh. 64Mb RAM>
22:30.47chuckrit's tiny, I have a ruler here need size?
22:30.53JasonMNah.
22:31.04JasonMIts also got an ATi accelerated framebuffer.
22:31.14JasonMIts got twice the battery capacity of the C700 and C750
22:31.39JasonMIt has the unique twist screen that allows you to use in in either HPC or Palm orientations.
22:32.10chuckrI think your'e right  on what you saiid.  The ATI stuff is getting a accel rewrite for the X11 server.  I honestly thoguht that running X11 would slow it down, but that's not the case.
22:32.43chuckrit runs ssh for access, and a very nice and quick usb networking thing
22:33.03chuckrI haven';t got the 802.11 working yet
22:33.15chuckrit's such a toy
22:33.20JasonMYeah.
22:33.34JasonMI'm considering swapping in my SL550 for a C760
22:33.38chuckrmy original curiosity re: familiar was the projects applicability wrt the Zaurus
22:34.45JasonMWell - you can certainly use it's ipk files.
22:38.49chuckrboy that handhelds.org channel is busy.  Is there any way to get a liting of sites?  How about one filtered by keywords, like maybe "zaurus"?
22:39.06chuckrs/liting/listings/
22:39.41chuckrI'm considering doing a battery pack/extendier for it.
22:39.49JasonMThis contains a list of useful software sites:
22:39.50JasonMhttp://zaurus.spy.org/
22:39.52chuckr(for the Zaurus)
22:40.18chuckrI ;learned about that site yesterday, it's where I got a ll the info about the menu system that's I'm reading
22:40.56chuckrI have most of the ipkg data, but unfortunately, the format of the config files doesn't seem to be completely documented anywhere at all
22:41.26JasonMAh. I've not tried to build ipks myself.
22:41.56chuckrmaybe i should just logg off and go back to reading, god knows I have enough to read.  Isn't there a entire O'Reilly book in just copying, here?
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22:42.09DarkMonkGood evening people
22:42.29JasonMGreetings, DarkMonk
22:42.36DarkMonkHi :-)
22:42.57DarkMonkI'm relatively new in the Linux on small devices scene
22:43.09JasonMSame here.
22:43.14DarkMonkbut i know what i'm doing with a Linux box :p
22:43.31JasonMAlways handy :)
22:44.05DarkMonkHave been looking HIGH and LOW for a Sharp Zaurus :S
22:44.08DarkMonkNo luck
22:44.24JasonMWhich model?
22:44.30DarkMonk5500 I like that one
22:44.59JasonMAh. I just got me one of those.
22:45.08DarkMonk*shakes fist*
22:45.29JasonMSorry; didn't mean to rub it in.
22:45.30JasonMI got mine off'v eBay when I couldn't find a retailer.
22:45.45DarkMonkWhere are you based?   UK? USA?
22:46.00JasonMUK, like you.
22:46.50DarkMonklol, liked how you said "like you"
22:47.05DarkMonkhow much did you pay?
22:47.31JasonM£175, with 128M CF. Boxed as new.
22:47.42DarkMonkbargain
22:47.50DarkMonkI cant find anyone in the UK that has one for sale
22:50.13DarkMonkI got offered a Compaq iPAQ tho
22:50.13DarkMonkfor £100
22:50.21DarkMonkwith a 128 SD
22:50.39JasonMhttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3069977358&category=3728
22:50.43JasonMNeat
22:51.54DarkMonkDamit how did you find that and yet i couldnt
22:51.56JasonMI've still on the lookout for other Zaurii
22:52.08JasonMI'm considering swapping my 5500 for a 760
22:52.09DarkMonkhmm
22:52.16DarkMonkwell at the moment £150 is out of my range
22:52.32DarkMonkI may as well just go for this iPAQ when I have the chance
22:52.48JasonMRight
22:53.02DarkMonkjust a little scary to be ditching windows on it :S
22:53.11JasonMI tried it on mine :)
22:53.17JasonMWhat model have you been offered?
22:54.21DarkMonkthe 3800
22:54.22DarkMonkhttp://www.pdacortex.com/iPAQ_3800_Review.htm
22:54.34DarkMonkokay so thats a Medical review but hey
22:55.06JasonMRight :)
22:56.16DarkMonkits just a bit dawnting getting rid of windows when im just getting the unit
22:56.23DarkMonkbut i know its worth it.
22:56.38DarkMonkthe amount of free software available for PocketPC is minimal
22:56.57JasonMYeah; its pretty bad.
22:57.21JasonMI like the fact that Linux PDAs, with their own network connection, can install software on their own
22:58.06JasonMPocketPC software seems to require the host PC to install software
22:59.17DarkMonkyea, i know what you mean
23:00.23chuckrNice review.  Shame, the way that Intel hamstring the otherwise very nice xscale processoor, I have never understood why they set the cache up the way they did, basically ruining it
23:00.43chuckrbut the review is entertaining
23:00.52DarkMonkthe ipaq one?
23:00.59chuckryeah
23:01.12chuckrI don't have one of those, though
23:01.35DarkMonkwell you see i think its worth me getting it for £100
23:01.38DarkMonkwhat do you think
23:02.04chuckrI am the wron gperson to ask about money.  You did it for the enjoyment, and the credit, didn't you?
23:02.22DarkMonki havent bought it yet :P
23:02.41chuckrI just don't care enough abou tmoney, I'm a unrepentant techie
23:03.02DarkMonkindeed, me too :p
23:03.20DarkMonkhmmm i couldnt dual boot Familiar and PPC could I? :P
23:03.33JasonMNot as far as I know.
23:03.36chuckrThe one I bought, if you're not an extreme techie, you probably want to avoid, but the zaurus makes me so happy, I haven'[t had this much fun in years
23:04.13DarkMonkwell thats why I want to get a decent PDA
23:04.27DarkMonkI think i can get the same functionality as the Zaurus
23:04.31chuckrdoes anyone know what platforms familiar will run on?  Will it run on the Zaurus?
23:04.49chuckrif I compile it, that is?
23:05.06DarkMonkif I buy a Dual CF jacket, Bluetooth/Wifi cards and install Familiar
23:05.40chuckrI'm  not asking that, I'm running another rom on the zaurus right now, but there are some parts of familiar done particularly  nicely, I was wondering how well they might port
23:06.23chuckrin other words, if you told ,me it was done only for the Compaq parts, I would sorta be disappoiinted
23:06.47DarkMonkas far as i know there IS a Zaurus build isnt there?
23:06.59DarkMonkwell as far as i know the only "Ipaq-only" functionality
23:07.00chuckrthe Z has a really great screen , and a nice keyboard, nice enough to let me use it like a big-size computer
23:07.14DarkMonkis stuff like hardware buttons etc
23:07.40chuckrI've been told that the 640x480 screen on the SL-C760 is the smallest/densest available today
23:07.53chuckrcost me 700 bucks, it better be darned good
23:08.07JasonMOk - I have it on good authority, that Familiar won't run on a Zaurus.
23:08.33chuckrdarn.  Well, my thanks for getting me the info, I sure appreciate it
23:09.11JasonMProbably a kernel thing - the Zaurus requires a bit of custom work to the kernel for some of its hardware.
23:09.25chuckrI would like to have tried it, ai've tried a bunch of other roms.  Some good, some not so good.  I was really surprised at how well the X11 rom is, it's far faster and more useable than I expected it would be.
23:10.57DarkMonkHmmm I certainly like the look of Familiar
23:11.02DarkMonkand from what ive heard its rather good
23:11.51DarkMonkI just dont know if i can just ditch windows :S
23:12.28JasonMDarkMonk: Switch early so you don't get used to WinCE :)
23:13.01DarkMonki could
23:13.17DarkMonkbut its one of those things i'd go "hmmm well i cant get that back now and i need it"
23:14.45JasonMShweet. The PsiLinux project is still running. Time to install Linux on my Psion Series 5 :)
23:16.09DarkMonklol know of any linux projects for the PalmIII?
23:16.46JasonMNah; never owned a Palm
23:26.24DarkMonkmy only issue with Linux on my iPAQ
23:26.34DarkMonkwhat if i think "hmm not YET"
23:26.37DarkMonkI cant go back :S
23:26.43DarkMonkto windows i mean

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