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| 02:49.42 | epssy | arg... why is it so hard to get a serial cable... |
| 02:50.42 | bluelightning | is it? |
| 02:54.23 | bluelightning | google search for "ipaq serial cable" gets 1,560,000 results |
| 02:54.52 | epssy | jornada 565 |
| 02:55.29 | epssy | two companies sell them in australia for $70 aud (about $65 usd) |
| 02:55.29 | bluelightning | expansys have them |
| 02:56.03 | epssy | they have an australia reseller... hmm |
| 02:56.22 | epssy | ah looked at them already |
| 02:56.24 | epssy | to expensive |
| 02:56.27 | bluelightning | http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=J560USBSERY |
| 02:56.37 | bluelightning | A$30.95 |
| 02:56.44 | bluelightning | (+shipping) |
| 02:56.50 | bluelightning | you won't do much better than that |
| 02:58.27 | epssy | it'll cost me $30 to get it from america (they are $10 there + postage of $10 and exchange rate) |
| 02:58.30 | epssy | but I guess... |
| 02:58.38 | epssy | quicker receive time |
| 02:58.56 | epssy | I'll ask them for a discount and see where that goes |
| 02:59.03 | bluelightning | I take it you're thinking of installing Linux on your Jornada? |
| 02:59.33 | epssy | yes |
| 02:59.41 | bluelightning | have you tried it before? |
| 03:00.05 | bluelightning | (I'm curious because I've read the stuff on the handhelds wiki, but all I've ever heard about lately is people using iPAQs) |
| 03:00.10 | epssy | I've looked at doing it for a long time before, but haven't gotten far enough to realise I needed another cable |
| 03:00.35 | epssy | jornada's seem to have okay support, at least a stable release |
| 03:00.54 | epssy | the thing is at this point my pda is useless to me as wince is to limited for my needs |
| 03:01.14 | bluelightning | yeah... I felt the same way |
| 03:01.23 | bluelightning | Familiar went on my iPAQ the day I got it :) |
| 03:02.19 | epssy | the thing is if I get linux working on my jornada I'll sup it up - overclock it, more ram, bigger SD card, keyboard, new battery and really have some fun with it - some thing windows wont allow me to do |
| 03:02.32 | epssy | rebooting our gateway, back in four minutes |
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| 03:11.21 | epssy | hmm |
| 03:11.35 | epssy | okay so if I buy http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=J560USBSERY&sbadd=J560USBSERY it will allow me to load familiar |
| 03:11.57 | epssy | noting that it also has a usb extension... which leads me to still ask why it needs to be done over a serial cable>? |
| 03:11.58 | bluelightning | it's just a standard serial cable, so yeah I don't see why not |
| 03:12.14 | bluelightning | because bootldr doesn't support usb :) |
| 03:12.47 | epssy | ah I see |
| 03:12.54 | epssy | okay... well going to buy it, back soon |
| 03:14.01 | epssy | $45 aud to buy |
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| 05:40.26 | gapplin | Hi, I have a HP/Compaq Ipaq 3765. Can anyone point me to a current howto for loading linux? |
| 05:40.46 | emte | install the bootloader, install the image |
| 05:41.00 | emte | the method has not changed |
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| 05:43.19 | siulca | hi, anyone active here? |
| 05:44.49 | siulca | I was thinking of installing Linux on my iPaq h2210 and was wondering what's the current status of the Familiar project. |
| 05:45.19 | siulca | The website seems to be abandoned with the last update done a year ago! |
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| 05:47.25 | emte | seems he chould read the right page |
| 05:47.28 | emte | should* |
| 05:47.40 | emte | new images were released on the 23rd |
| 05:47.49 | siulca | images? |
| 05:48.02 | emte | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/?page=software&sub=familiar |
| 05:48.11 | emte | familiar 0.8.0 |
| 05:49.40 | siulca | excellent... so familiar isn;t dead as I thought it was when I visited http://familiar.handhelds.org/ |
| 05:50.29 | emte | no |
| 05:50.39 | emte | familiar switched bases |
| 05:50.47 | siulca | alright |
| 05:50.51 | emte | 8 is the first release under the new system |
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| 05:51.34 | siulca | cool, as long as it's alive I'm happy :) |
| 05:51.57 | siulca | er... I'm looking at the images download... what files do I need? :/ |
| 05:53.03 | emte | you would use the h3600 images for a 3765 |
| 05:53.20 | emte | as a note opie doesnt currently behave well |
| 05:53.47 | siulca | and another question... would I be able to go back to Win Mobile 2003 if I ever want to (which I doubt!) |
| 05:54.13 | emte | yes, you just do the backup backwards |
| 05:54.57 | siulca | there isn't an image for my H2210... can I use any of the other ones? |
| 05:55.46 | emte | sec |
| 05:56.35 | emte | The iPAQs h19xx, h22xx and h4xxx and the Dell axim Xy require a 2.6 kernel which isn't officially supported by 0.8 yet. There will be a 2.6 enabled image released soon, but for testing purposes only. And *don't* use BootBlaster on these handhelds. |
| 05:58.17 | siulca | oh ok... so in other words currently I can't isntall Familiar on a H2210? |
| 05:58.27 | emte | thats not what it says |
| 05:58.45 | siulca | er... |
| 05:58.46 | emte | just says the images arnt built yet |
| 05:58.59 | siulca | it says it requires 2.6 kernel... |
| 05:59.01 | emte | all the otehr devices use the 2.4.18 kernel |
| 05:59.42 | emte | atleast until someone rewrites the drivers to work with 2.6 |
| 06:01.05 | siulca | any idea when that will be? if ever? |
| 06:01.32 | emte | well you can build your own if you wish |
| 06:01.43 | emte | other then that ... i'd guess a month or so |
| 06:01.57 | emte | they are chasing the bugs out of this initial release |
| 06:02.59 | siulca | lol @ "building your own" |
| 06:04.28 | siulca | ok... I don;t mind waiting until familiar is fully compatible with my iPaq... |
| 06:04.51 | siulca | btw do you know of any other linux distributions for PDA? |
| 06:05.57 | siulca | I searched on Google and the PDA Linux platform seems to be almost inexistent! apart from Familiar of course. |
| 06:06.59 | siulca | I guess that Sharp pulling out their Zaurus didn't help. |
| 06:08.56 | siulca | anyways gtg.. thanks for your help. I'll pop around in a month or so... bye |
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| 06:09.14 | emte | hmm he left |
| 06:09.28 | emte | was going to tell him oz is built on the same system now |
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| 07:55.34 | moya | is this the familiar project? |
| 07:55.40 | moya | ipaq-linux stuff? |
| 07:57.41 | emte | yes |
| 07:57.50 | emte | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/?page=software&sub=familiar |
| 07:57.55 | emte | the page you want to read |
| 07:57.58 | moya | i did |
| 07:58.12 | moya | i 'm desperately trying to find a .08 bootloader does such a thing exist? |
| 07:58.29 | emte | its the same as the 7 images |
| 07:58.41 | moya | so it won't support SD media on the 36xx series? |
| 07:59.31 | emte | hot sure |
| 07:59.33 | emte | not* |
| 07:59.39 | emte | i use a serial cradle |
| 07:59.55 | moya | thats my last hope, for some reason the serial port method won't work, and my 5V flash card isn't recognized by teh dock. |
| 08:00.28 | emte | ive had the serial method work for 15-20 flashes |
| 08:00.54 | moya | everyone asys it works, but i think i got a bad cradle |
| 08:00.55 | moya | =( |
| 08:01.08 | emte | or you havent setup minicom properly |
| 08:01.09 | moya | the latest bootload is that 2.12.12 one? |
| 08:01.18 | moya | i've used minicom, hyperterminal and a few others |
| 08:01.57 | emte | i am still using bootblaster 1.19 |
| 08:02.47 | moya | blech |
| 08:08.46 | moya | i'll have to try to get a feature request for that |
| 08:09.11 | moya | there's no way to do an ftp flash or online? |
| 08:12.50 | moya | this is my current installation attempt. |
| 08:13.05 | moya | http://home.comcast.net/~millenniumbiz2/tv/Benny_Hill_Show.mp3 |
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| 08:58.21 | moya | bleh nothing newer than 2.12 it seems |
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| 12:24.43 | gapplin | Hi, are there any install docs on the 0.8.0 release. I tried to use the BootBlaster from v7.2. It has a problem with the file extension. Any help? |
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| 13:42.17 | gapplin | Hi, anyone here? |
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| 15:02.20 | epssy | they are probably idling |
| 15:02.35 | epssy | though I'd say some thing, but I dont know the answer to your question :( |
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| 15:14.30 | Tiry | Hi! |
| 15:17.19 | Tiry | I am planning ti setup familiar on my iPaq, acn anybody give me some advice or answer some questions ? |
| 15:24.09 | mheily | tiry: join #gpe, there are more ppl there to help you |
| 15:25.42 | Tiry | thx |
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| 18:26.46 | clh | hi |
| 18:26.58 | clh | has the H5500 been discontinued? |
| 18:27.13 | clh | i'm wanting to get an Ipaq, but can't find where to buy one |
| 18:27.38 | clh | the models I saw in the stores over the Holidays seemed cheaply built and not very sturdy |
| 18:27.50 | clh | IIRC, the H3800 was a more solid |
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| 18:45.54 | emte | clh: that sounds like a good assesment of HP |
| 18:46.28 | emte | ever since HP took over Compaq they have been going down hill in quality |
| 18:47.16 | emte | was one of the main reasons a friend quit managing the Redmond Divison of HP |
| 18:50.27 | clh | emte : geez :( |
| 18:50.43 | clh | emte : do you know anything about the simpad? |
| 18:52.14 | emte | a bit |
| 18:52.47 | emte | its not near a release yet i dont think ... they got quite a few drivers built and bugs squished tho |
| 18:53.04 | emte | check the opensimpad page |
| 18:53.51 | emte | oz, familiar, mshcube, opensimpad, etc all use the same build system tools now |
| 18:54.15 | emte | its helped standardise a few things and push development on others |
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| 19:03.39 | Res | Hello all |
| 19:06.40 | emte | hey |
| 19:07.15 | vorko | hi something seems broken with the ipkg configuration |
| 19:07.27 | emte | how so? |
| 19:07.32 | vorko | I get Configuring kernel |
| 19:07.32 | vorko | Running script /usr/lib/ipkg/info/kernel.postinst |
| 19:07.32 | vorko | update-alternatives: Linking //boot/zImage to /boot/zImage-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.4 |
| 19:07.32 | vorko | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.32 | vorko | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.32 | vorko | ln: /etc/rcS.d/S21ipaq-hal: File exists |
| 19:07.34 | vorko | [: S: bad number |
| 19:07.36 | vorko | update-rc.d: -s/etc/init.d/ipaq-hal: file does not exist |
| 19:07.38 | vorko | postinst script returned status 1 |
| 19:07.40 | vorko | ERROR: kernel.postinst returned 1 |
| 19:07.43 | vorko | for each ipkg install I try |
| 19:08.32 | emte | how about a bit more info so i have a clue what your talking about ... |
| 19:08.36 | vorko | I'm using the ipkg feed : http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8/base/ |
| 19:08.48 | vorko | I'll try to be more explicit |
| 19:08.53 | vorko | ipkg install joe |
| 19:09.00 | emte | which image? |
| 19:09.05 | vorko | 0.8 |
| 19:09.15 | emte | well that narrows it down to 4 |
| 19:09.33 | vorko | gpe-image-h3600-20041223123609.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 19:09.38 | emte | aha |
| 19:10.02 | vorko | seems like the latest to me isn't it ? |
| 19:11.54 | emte | yes it is the first release of 0.8.0 series |
| 19:12.20 | emte | i am just wondering if the test ipkgs work with 0.8.0 |
| 19:12.50 | emte | try using the other feed ... most likly they are symlinked |
| 19:13.12 | vorko | which one, I only found this one |
| 19:13.25 | Res | Anyone got kismet working with a Cisco 350? |
| 19:13.53 | emte | hmm |
| 19:14.01 | emte | they changed the feed structure again ... |
| 19:14.10 | Res | Can't seem to get the card into RFMON mode, loading 0.8.0 now to try it |
| 19:14.12 | emte | http://svc.mobihealth.org/handhelds/feeds/ |
| 19:14.35 | emte | no clue on kismet ... |
| 19:18.48 | vorko | thx emte I'm now using the new feed |
| 19:19.22 | emte | working for you? |
| 19:19.36 | vorko | yes but it's using the same versions of ipkg-related packages |
| 19:19.46 | emte | yes and no |
| 19:19.55 | vorko | doesn't fix the bug in update-alternatives |
| 19:20.07 | emte | there is nothing to update to |
| 19:20.42 | vorko | I think there are bugs in update-alternatives and update-rc.d |
| 19:20.50 | vorko | could you send me your versions of these files |
| 19:21.21 | emte | they would be the same as yours |
| 19:21.42 | vorko | and you don't get any errors ? |
| 19:21.57 | emte | never used them ... there is nothing to update |
| 19:22.14 | emte | this is the first release |
| 19:22.29 | emte | the prereleases arnt even compatible with it |
| 19:22.33 | clh | anyone know of a place to get a H5500 new? |
| 19:22.42 | vorko | I see but did you try to install anything that's not in the default installation, like joe |
| 19:22.46 | clh | or should I try and get a H3800/H3900 instead? |
| 19:23.10 | emte | clh: you can get a 36-39 for under 100 |
| 19:23.52 | emte | vorko: not yet ... all i do is test hardware |
| 19:23.55 | Res | Ha, a bittorrent client for my Ipaq... |
| 19:24.00 | emte | kbds, sleeves, etc |
| 19:24.07 | Res | Theres a tool I won't be seeing much use of... |
| 19:24.24 | vorko | ok I'll try to fix it somehow and write a bugreport later |
| 19:24.28 | vorko | thanks for your help |
| 19:24.31 | emte | actually i think they are discussing moving the packages to bt ... |
| 19:24.55 | emte | vorko: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/?page=software&sub=familiar |
| 19:25.02 | emte | if you want the current page |
| 19:25.04 | Res | Somehow I can't see that working well in the usuall bit-torrent sense |
| 19:25.13 | Res | Since the majority of the clients would be PDAs |
| 19:25.32 | Res | Be interesting to see how it works out if they try it |
| 19:25.34 | emte | it works the same |
| 19:25.51 | emte | no matter what the client is |
| 19:25.54 | Res | Most PDAs wouldn't have room to store the packages |
| 19:26.09 | emte | it wouldnt dld them all |
| 19:26.11 | Res | Plus they'll probablky not be online much |
| 19:26.17 | emte | just selected |
| 19:26.35 | emte | would hold an index file and tahts about it |
| 19:26.42 | emte | which is a few k |
| 19:26.55 | Res | What the upside for using BT for that? |
| 19:27.13 | emte | faster device indexing and verification |
| 19:27.24 | emte | cuts down on server reads |
| 19:27.33 | Res | Now if enough people set up permanent seeders for it you'd have an on the fly mirroring system, that could be pretty cool. |
| 19:27.44 | emte | bt is written in python so it can be easily modified for an installer |
| 19:28.08 | clh | emte : do you know where I can find them? |
| 19:28.24 | clh | emte : heh, i was prepared to spend too much on a crappy new HP Ipaq |
| 19:28.25 | clh | :) |
| 19:28.29 | emte | you do remember all packages are binaries right? |
| 19:28.48 | emte | clh: generally ebay is decent for that type of stuff |
| 19:28.52 | Res | Seems like a pain to update the tracker(s) with file version updates.. and I doubt the clients would help cut the load much. But then, if they did it, I might well run the tracker just to be helpful for seeding, so I guess that would work out. |
| 19:29.20 | emte | Res: its not to really cut the load on the server side |
| 19:29.37 | emte | it would immensly speed up the client side tho |
| 19:29.50 | clh | emte : thanks |
| 19:30.00 | Res | Not sure I understand, but then, if they do it, I'll figure it out then. |
| 19:30.27 | Res | Welp, time to boot 0.8 |
| 19:30.44 | emte | the packaging system is in dire need of a rewrite anyway |
| 19:32.41 | clh | emte : if I find a H5500 for a decent price, is there any reason why I should go with the H36-H3900 instead? |
| 19:33.07 | Res | USB NEt doesn't seem to come up automatically anymore |
| 19:34.01 | emte | clh: no |
| 19:34.07 | emte | Res: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/?page=software&sub=familiar |
| 19:34.52 | clh | emte : ok, thanks |
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| 21:46.17 | moya | i can't boot .8 |
| 21:46.32 | moya | i can't find a bootloader that'll read SD media *sniff* |
| 21:47.30 | moya | Res, that's my intended application for my 3650, to un Kismet with a Cisco 350 so if you find something out =) |
| 22:34.02 | vixnix | \quit |