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| 00:14.42 | clh_work | are SD cards supported? |
| 01:13.38 | clh | anyone around that has ever used gaim on familiar? |
| 01:16.45 | blcknight | i use gaim |
| 01:16.53 | blcknight | under GPE |
| 01:29.53 | clh | blcknight : what version? |
| 01:33.16 | clh | blcknight : do you use ssl? |
| 01:33.19 | blcknight | i'm not sure, the one that i installed with ipkg. |
| 01:33.30 | blcknight | but at the moment my ipaq is pretty fubared. |
| 01:33.43 | clh | yah, i think gaim ssl is broken under .8 |
| 01:34.05 | clh | and i don't think very many people use it cause i've been posting questions for 2 days |
| 01:34.09 | blcknight | at the moment i'm trying to reinstall familiar on it. |
| 01:34.19 | clh | good luck |
| 01:34.39 | blcknight | but i need a serial cradle. the CF card shit will not work. |
| 01:34.46 | blcknight | it worked the first time. |
| 01:34.49 | clh | hm |
| 01:35.19 | clh | have you been using familiar through more than the latest release? seems buggy as hell |
| 01:35.41 | blcknight | i started with .70 |
| 01:36.04 | clh | was it cleaner than the .8 release? |
| 01:36.06 | blcknight | although, i'd put wince back on it soley because i need arabic language support. |
| 01:36.24 | clh | i've been asking about how to dual-boot myself, but have gotten no responses |
| 01:37.03 | clh | so i'm thinking it isn't possible |
| 01:38.53 | blcknight | it's buggy from what i've heard |
| 01:42.50 | blcknight | this is really fucking frustrating. |
| 01:43.03 | blcknight | 20:36 < MonMotha> PCMCIA and CF cards are supported (since they're basically the |
| 01:43.06 | blcknight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:43.06 | blcknight | wow, that's vague. |
| 01:43.13 | blcknight | you just don't go out and buy a PCMCIA flash memory card. |
| 01:43.27 | blcknight | and if you can, i'd like to know where. if not, what the hell fucking kind of PCMCIA card does the boatloder support |
| 01:43.30 | blcknight | it's such a peice of shit |
| 01:44.58 | clh | heh |
| 01:45.28 | clh | what is the problem? |
| 01:45.47 | clh | i understand your point, but CF and PCMCIA are the same standard with different form factors |
| 01:46.00 | clh | so it really should be supported |
| 01:46.05 | clh | maybe yoru CF card is bunk? |
| 01:46.20 | clh | what are you seeing? |
| 01:55.32 | clh | blcknight / you there? |
| 01:55.47 | blcknight | it's not a CF card. |
| 01:57.01 | clh | ah |
| 01:57.05 | clh | PCMCIA ? |
| 01:58.06 | clh | what ipaq model? |
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| 03:23.32 | jjones | hey everyone... |
| 03:23.59 | jjones | i just installed. i was wondering if there is an archive of the familiar mailing list anywhere |
| 03:24.24 | jjones | i imagine that my problems have been encountered before and there is probably some info to help me get through this |
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| 06:14.09 | jjones | hi, anyone here? |
| 06:31.59 | bluelightning | jjones I'm here |
| 06:36.42 | jjones | hi |
| 06:36.57 | jjones | i just installed today, so i'm sure i'm a bit behind |
| 06:37.08 | bluelightning | what's up? |
| 06:37.36 | jjones | i first installed gpe |
| 06:37.44 | jjones | then opie version of familiar |
| 06:37.55 | jjones | both cases when i do ipkg upgrade, i get |
| 06:38.00 | jjones | # ipkg upgrade |
| 06:38.00 | jjones | Configuring kernel |
| 06:38.00 | jjones | update-alternatives: Linking //boot/zImage to /boot/zImage-2.4.19-rmk6-pxa1-hh37.4 |
| 06:38.00 | jjones | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.00 | jjones | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:38.00 | jjones | ln: /etc/rcS.d/S21ipaq-hal: File exists |
| 06:38.02 | jjones | [: S: bad number |
| 06:38.04 | jjones | update-rc.d: -s/etc/init.d/ipaq-hal: file does not exist |
| 06:38.08 | jjones | postinst script returned status 1 |
| 06:38.11 | jjones | ERROR: kernel.postinst returned 1 |
| 06:38.12 | jjones | Configuring ppp-dialin |
| 06:38.14 | jjones | adduser: ppp: login already in use |
| 06:38.17 | jjones | postinst script returned status 1 |
| 06:38.19 | jjones | ERROR: ppp-dialin.postinst returned 1 |
| 06:38.23 | bluelightning | fixes for those are in the release notes |
| 06:38.28 | bluelightning | ~Familiar 0.8 |
| 06:38.29 | ibot | hmm... familiar 0.8 is at http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarReleaseNotes |
| 06:38.56 | jjones | duh... i guess i missed that |
| 06:39.03 | jjones | sorry, i was reading all the docs online |
| 06:40.47 | jjones | also, is there an archive of what's happened on the familiar mailing list? |
| 06:41.11 | jjones | i just subscribed today, but it would probably be beneficial if i could read the archive on the web or something |
| 06:41.35 | bluelightning | the archives are up at handhelds.org, they're just a little behind... you should be able to find up-to-date archives at gmane.org though |
| 06:47.58 | jjones | thanks so much... i just followed those release notes that ibot linked to... works perfectly |
| 06:48.11 | bluelightning | great :) |
| 06:48.38 | jjones | the one that i'd like to do with my ipaq is listen to internet radio... |
| 06:48.44 | jjones | it's an mp3 stream |
| 06:49.03 | bluelightning | hmm... well XMMS should be able to do that |
| 06:49.25 | bluelightning | in theory so should Opie-MediaPlayer 2 should also, but it's a pain to get working |
| 06:49.38 | jjones | can it launch from a web browser when i click on a link? |
| 06:50.04 | bluelightning | possibly, I haven't tried that at all |
| 06:50.46 | jjones | cool... i'll give it a shot |
| 06:51.20 | jjones | is there a general concensus about which is more mature, opie or gpe? or is that one of those vi vs. emacs, neverending debates? |
| 06:51.54 | bluelightning | it pretty much boils down to personal preference, so yeah it's much like vi vs. emacs :) |
| 06:52.04 | bluelightning | or more closely KDE vs GNOME |
| 06:53.04 | jjones | ok, thats what i figured. i'll have to try 'em both out. |
| 06:53.37 | jjones | one last question... what's a good browser that can fit in memory on an ipaq? |
| 06:54.16 | bluelightning | well for GPE there's Dillo or Minimo... for Opie, there's Konqueror Embedded |
| 06:54.24 | bluelightning | I have only used the latter myself as I use Opie |
| 06:55.11 | jjones | great! thanks a ton for your help... |
| 06:55.16 | bluelightning | np |
| 07:02.46 | jjones | hmmm... have you seen this one before? I followed the instructions on the release notes page, ipkg update, ipkg upgrade, installed xmms-embedded, and installed konqueror-embedded, then i press the reset button -- it reboots, goes through the bootloader and then stays on the penguin "Please wait: booting..." screen forever... |
| 07:03.31 | bluelightning | assuming you have the opie image installed, have you applied the opie fix mentioned in the release notes? |
| 07:04.39 | jjones | yes |
| 07:04.56 | bluelightning | which model ipaq do you have? |
| 07:04.58 | jjones | hmm... i can still ssh into the ipaq |
| 07:05.16 | jjones | 3830 |
| 07:05.22 | bluelightning | sounds like opie still isn't starting |
| 07:05.37 | jjones | yeah |
| 07:05.56 | jjones | maybe i'll have to reload the root image |
| 07:06.04 | bluelightning | no, you shouldn't need to do that |
| 07:06.44 | bluelightning | try rebooting your ipaq, it may not happen next time |
| 07:06.58 | jjones | 3 times now, same result |
| 07:07.04 | bluelightning | hmm |
| 07:07.37 | bluelightning | well I don't know what to tell you really... modifying /etc/init.d/opie as described in the release notes fixed the issue on my H3970 |
| 07:08.55 | bluelightning | perhaps you could try modifying /boot/params |
| 07:09.21 | bluelightning | change it so that it says console=/dev/ttySA0 instead of console=none |
| 07:10.11 | jjones | oh jeez |
| 07:10.29 | jjones | i just searched that page and found the init.d change |
| 07:10.33 | jjones | gosh sorry. |
| 07:10.36 | jjones | that fixed it |
| 07:10.38 | bluelightning | that's OK :) |
| 07:10.50 | jjones | i'm gonna go to sleep now... i'll be fresher in the morning |
| 07:10.55 | jjones | thank you for your help |
| 07:11.00 | bluelightning | I know there's a lot of annoying crap to edit in 0.8... we're going to fix all of it for 0.8.1 hopefully |
| 07:11.08 | bluelightning | np |
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| 10:02.57 | Phoenix^ | Hey guys |
| 10:03.15 | Phoenix^ | I am having lots of problems trying to access my sd card in familiar on my h5550 |
| 10:28.21 | Phoenix^ | Sorry, phone rang. When insert the card, I get alot of errors in the system log and when I do an ls on /mnt/card the ipaq locks up |
| 11:16.44 | bluelightning | gints: ok, rott works... it's unbelievably slow though (perhaps because of the alignment errors?) |
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| 15:59.03 | dpro | hi |
| 15:59.24 | dpro | should I go for stable or testing on an ipaq55xx ? |
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| 16:35.50 | dpro | hacklava: does pd -jack -verbose give any clues ? |
| 16:35.53 | dpro | oops |
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| 17:45.47 | dpro | just tell me to shut up if this is flamebait but I'm new to this and I'd like to hear some opinions on whether to use opie or gpe ? |
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| 18:13.30 | clh_work | dpro : if you wanna use gaim or linphone, don't use gpe :\ |
| 18:13.43 | clh_work | atleast that my experience with .8 |
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| 18:17.09 | teringTuby | he people |
| 18:17.39 | teringTuby | i reboot my ipaq 3630 with opie and now it stays: "please wait : boooting...." |
| 18:18.25 | teringTuby | on the serial console in minicom i d have a prompt eventually |
| 18:18.37 | teringTuby | can anybody help , i want X back .... |
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| 18:52.43 | clh_work | try running the command that starts X from your command line and see what the output says |
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| 20:31.00 | clh_work | can SD cards be hotswapped? |
| 21:21.47 | clh_work | i have a runaway process that won't be killed by kill -9 |
| 21:21.49 | clh_work | what gives? |
| 21:30.53 | clh_work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.53 | clh_work | <pb_> clh_work: check the t |
| 21:31.03 | clh_work | sry |
| 21:33.22 | clh_work | man i just got a 512 SD card from a friend!! |
| 21:33.25 | clh_work | that is great stuff |
| 21:44.12 | clh_work | is fstab the only place that the /dev/mmc/disk line has to be updated for sd support under .8 ? |
| 21:46.48 | clh_work | does ipkg keep the .ipk file on the disk after installing? |
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| 21:49.52 | clh_work | anyone seen this : [mmc_samsung.c:1125] mmc_s3c_split_status : ERROR READ COMMAND 0x00000011,0x0000 |
| 21:49.53 | clh_work | 0001,0x00001008 |
| 21:49.53 | clh_work | [mmc_samsung.c:1125] mmc_s3c_split_status : ERROR READ COMMAND 0x00000011,0x0000 |
| 21:49.53 | clh_work | 0001,0x00001008 |
| 21:50.22 | clh_work | this is dmesg output |
| 22:04.19 | clh_work | what is it about ipkg that takes so long when you first want to install a package? |
| 22:52.14 | clh_work | is this what my sd card should show up as in mount ? |
| 22:52.15 | clh_work | /dev/root 32512 31200 1312 96% / |
| 22:52.15 | clh_work | /dev/mmc/part1 495192 0 495192 0% /mnt/card |
| 22:53.39 | clh_work | it is listed in fstab as /dev/mmc/disc per the release notes |
| 23:33.43 | clh_work | anyone gotten linphone working? |
| 23:33.55 | clh_work | the .8 is version |
| 23:34.04 | clh_work | getting the unstable didn't solve the problem |