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| 01:31.36 | VenumX | hello |
| 02:01.07 | VenumX | :( |
| 02:39.41 | clh | does anyone here have an ipaq h5550 running familiar and succesfully using an SD card |
| 02:40.06 | VenumX | i was wondering the same thing about an h1945 |
| 02:40.07 | VenumX | haha |
| 02:40.24 | VenumX | i doubt they are even close to getting to an h1945, but its wortha shot |
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| 04:20.45 | clh | anyone used gaim with ssl? |
| 04:20.57 | clh | i got linphonec kinda working |
| 04:21.13 | clh | it doesn't register, but it will make a sip call |
| 04:21.22 | clh | but audio is choppy |
| 04:21.22 | VenumX | what types of pocket pc does this support |
| 04:21.28 | VenumX | any support for the h1945? |
| 04:21.34 | clh | familiar? |
| 04:21.38 | VenumX | yeah |
| 04:21.44 | clh | not sure |
| 04:21.49 | clh | did you check the website? |
| 04:22.32 | VenumX | what would it be under? |
| 04:22.42 | clh | suported hardware prolly |
| 04:22.48 | clh | or something similar |
| 04:25.21 | VenumX | :-/ |
| 04:25.24 | VenumX | what kind do u have? |
| 05:31.06 | clh | h5550 |
| 05:31.35 | clh | anyone doing any kernel recompilations? |
| 05:49.56 | clh | oh hell, nfs on the wiki |
| 05:50.00 | clh | i like this |
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| 06:45.34 | jjg | i just got an nfs mount for my ipaq |
| 06:46.40 | jjg | and i tried to tar my filesystem, but it seemed to hang while tarring /proc/kcore, which is the same size as your ram, but since it is virtual, will it ever actually tar up? |
| 06:51.39 | bluelightning | I would suggest telling tar to skip /proc |
| 07:06.07 | jjg | ok |
| 07:06.52 | jjg | will i need to manually mount proc if i wanna chroot to do some dev? |
| 07:07.19 | jjg | also, is it possible to boot kernel from a nfs mount? |
| 07:14.48 | bluelightning | I guess you will have to mount proc, yes... however I have not done this kind of thing before |
| 07:33.16 | jjg | almost done untarring on my nfs mount |
| 07:33.35 | jjg | this is great |
| 07:33.41 | jjg | i've never used nfs either |
| 07:33.55 | bluelightning | neither had I really until I got linux on my ipaq :) |
| 07:34.09 | jjg | i was surprised it was so simple |
| 07:35.01 | jjg | i got linphonec working earlier |
| 07:35.06 | jjg | kinda |
| 07:35.19 | jjg | that was fun |
| 07:35.49 | jjg | i really wish there was a mic input |
| 07:36.50 | bluelightning | mic doesn't work on my model... |
| 07:37.53 | jjg | well, i have yet to get the mic output to come of out the speaker ( maybe to avoid feedback loops), but i knew cause i left a message on the VoIP softswitch and heard the audio when i played it |
| 07:38.49 | jjg | do you know anything about the bootloader? |
| 07:42.26 | bluelightning | a little |
| 07:42.53 | jjg | i just chrooted in and all seems ok :) |
| 07:43.03 | jjg | i can run df and see my laptop's harddrive |
| 07:43.15 | jjg | and i can cat /proc/cpuinfo and see that it's an xscale |
| 07:44.33 | bluelightning | great :) |
| 07:49.51 | jjg | i was following the nfs dev how to on the wiki and it refers to a devel feed, but the link is broken, do you know of such a feed? |
| 07:50.42 | jjg | http://www.handhelds.org/pub/linux/feeds/devel |
| 07:50.50 | bluelightning | not sure it exists anymore, I'm afraid... you may need to use openembedded to build the packages for you |
| 07:51.04 | bluelightning | the old devel feed was broken anyway I think |
| 07:52.35 | jjg | does that mean i can't compile natively? |
| 07:53.50 | jjg | in the how to he is only getting gcc, so maybe i'll jsut try installing that |
| 07:54.25 | bluelightning | jjg: you can compile natively if you get the right packages... but I suspect they aren't available for download (could be wrong) |
| 07:54.50 | bluelightning | if they aren't available you will need to use openembedded to build gcc etc. and then install them into your nfs root |
| 07:55.23 | jjg | ah |
| 07:55.27 | jjg | i see |
| 07:55.28 | jjg | thanks |
| 08:09.56 | jjg | just installed gcc and am installing libc6-dev now |
| 08:21.58 | jjg | bluelightning : off to bed, thanks for your tips , i'll talk to you tomorrow. |
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| 11:13.46 | dpro | hmmm on my 55xx it says BootBlaster... is not a valid wince application ... ? |
| 11:14.06 | bluelightning | how did you get it onto the ipaq? |
| 11:14.11 | dpro | oh sorry pocketpc app of course :) |
| 11:14.14 | dpro | ftpsvr |
| 11:14.21 | dpro | via wifi |
| 11:14.26 | bluelightning | you sure you didn't accidentally upload it as ascii? |
| 11:14.43 | dpro | hmm it said binary but I'll try again mom... |
| 11:15.04 | bluelightning | you are using bootblaster_3900 right? |
| 11:15.15 | bluelightning | (sorry, gotta ask the simple questions) |
| 11:15.36 | dpro | yup |
| 11:15.40 | dpro | and of course |
| 11:15.58 | dpro | I'm fairly new to this so I might miss the obvious (nit this time though) |
| 11:17.07 | dpro | ah ok had to go in programs ... |
| 11:17.50 | bluelightning | ? |
| 11:18.03 | bluelightning | (been a while since I did this) |
| 11:20.50 | dpro | have to find the bootloader image navigating this crap wince stuff (I really don't need a backup of this ;) |
| 11:22.40 | dpro | now it complains the bootloader isn't valid ... ftp again |
| 11:23.46 | bluelightning | hmm :( |
| 11:24.09 | dpro | flashin' (no not what you think naughty boy) |
| 11:25.11 | dpro | hmm mach_type = 0xcb is good news right ? |
| 11:27.09 | bluelightning | dpro: I guess so |
| 11:28.16 | dpro | :) |
| 11:35.05 | bluelightning | dpro: btw you can use a serial-usb converter also |
| 11:35.44 | dpro | ah good :) don't have one at hand though |
| 11:37.32 | dpro | but I found a laptop to use for the 15 minutes |
| 11:49.33 | dpro | hmmm I don't get the bootloader screen :( |
| 11:49.54 | dpro | it neatly buzzes but it needs a hard reset to and then boots ce again ... |
| 11:54.47 | bluelightning | well I don't have an h5xxx myself... it should all be covered in the install docs, if not, post a message to the mailing list |
| 12:14.22 | wallace79 | bluelightning, do you know if java packages will be made for familiar 0.8? |
| 12:14.43 | bluelightning | wallace79: I don't know, sorry... you could ask on the familiar mailing list |
| 12:15.07 | wallace79 | bluelightning, url to join this ml? |
| 12:16.08 | bluelightning | wallace79: http://www.handhelds.org/email_lists.html |
| 12:16.51 | bluelightning | time for sleep, cya all |
| 12:16.58 | wallace79 | good night bluelightning |
| 12:23.21 | dpro | ok it was the fscked dell serial port works on a thinkpad |
| 12:26.20 | dpro | I guess it's not good if I see lots of retry: NAK on sector mesgs fly by :( |
| 12:35.26 | wallace79 | dpro, happens sometime to me too |
| 12:35.37 | wallace79 | dpro, $i retry once or twice and it's okay |
| 12:43.49 | dpro | yup works now |
| 12:44.22 | dpro | now it's all waiting ... :) |
| 12:44.35 | wallace79 | excellent dpro ! |
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| 14:54.01 | dpro | hi |
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| 14:54.49 | dpro | now it seems to be working I sshed into tje ipaq, after fixing the http:/// thing in the ipkg configs it updates but upgrade returns an error |
| 14:57.21 | dpro | on another note is sleep now working on 55xx with 0.8.0 ? |
| 15:00.16 | dpro | ipkpg update now segfaults :( |
| 15:07.05 | dpro | is there some cache limit option for ipkg ? |
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| 15:53.56 | dpro | anybody knows how I can get it to automatically reconnect to wlan after suspend ? |
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| 16:03.43 | bynari | Hi. I've just installed familiar 0.8.0 but when I try to boot it just sits on the "Please wait: booting..." screen |
| 16:04.00 | bynari | I can log in via a serial term. So the OS is there |
| 16:06.35 | dpro | bynary: do you get a login: prompt on the serial line ? |
| 16:07.19 | bynari | Yep |
| 16:07.56 | bynari | Just reset it again.. Same thing. On the hyper term it says booting.. Then login prompt |
| 16:08.00 | bynari | On the pda screen it still says booting |
| 16:08.39 | bynari | It's obviously booted, it's just not displaying anything bar the boot screen. |
| 16:08.49 | bynari | Have you heard of anythign like that before? I'm using the ipaq 5550 |
| 16:12.24 | dpro | no it didn't boot |
| 16:12.44 | bynari | I can log in and operate the OS |
| 16:13.06 | bynari | It's just the interface on the PDA that's displaying the boot-up splash screen |
| 16:13.16 | bynari | Via hyperterm everything is fully functional |
| 16:13.57 | dpro | reset the ipaq, reset the minicom connect reflash jffs image, wait until you see it really wrote all the stuff to the flash before booting you'll see a prompt in hyperterminal again |
| 16:14.36 | dpro | if it doesn't look remotely like here http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.0/install/install-serial.html it's _not_ finished |
| 16:15.26 | dpro | here you can type boot and lil' tux should show up un the ipaq screen |
| 16:16.33 | bynari | Yep, all that worked |
| 16:16.41 | bynari | addr: 00E30000 data: 00000031 |
| 16:16.41 | bynari | verifying ... |
| 16:16.41 | bynari | formatting ... done. |
| 16:16.47 | bynari | Last 3 lines before first "boot" |
| 16:16.57 | dpro | and now ? |
| 16:17.09 | dpro | what's on the ipaq ? |
| 16:17.13 | bynari | The login splash screen |
| 16:17.18 | dpro | so all is fine |
| 16:17.25 | bynari | It's been there for 25 minutes |
| 16:17.25 | bynari | :) |
| 16:17.37 | dpro | ah no problems on your side ? |
| 16:17.39 | bynari | I can fully login via the serial term edit things, use the OS |
| 16:17.44 | bynari | But, on the IPAQ.. Just the splash screen |
| 16:17.48 | dpro | nice |
| 16:17.51 | bynari | :/ |
| 16:18.12 | bynari | So the OS has loaded ok, it's running from the IPAQ but just not displaying anything or letting me use it via the IPAQ |
| 16:18.15 | bynari | Only via the serial term |
| 16:18.27 | dpro | reboot via serial |
| 16:18.33 | bynari | Tried that too :/ |
| 16:18.43 | bynari | Same thing, "rebooting" on the serial term, then login prompt |
| 16:18.45 | bynari | No change on IPAQ |
| 16:19.15 | dpro | hmmm no idea |
| 16:19.24 | bynari | When I do shutdown -r now I can see text on my IPAQ actually |
| 16:19.38 | bynari | Ah |
| 16:19.46 | dpro | and gpe drives me crazy I want sth. _simple_ |
| 16:20.01 | bynari | What's sth? :) |
| 16:20.07 | dpro | something |
| 16:20.59 | bynari | Ah |
| 16:21.00 | bynari | This is a pain. I wouldn't mind so much but it takes about 40 minutes to upload an OS image |
| 16:21.00 | dpro | where I can easily add a shellscript to do udhcpc -i wlan0 without opening a shell |
| 16:21.29 | bynari | It must be a problem with OPIE. It's a user interface problem |
| 16:21.33 | bynari | Hopefully the GPE version will work |
| 16:22.04 | dpro | worked for me , ahem kind of |
| 16:22.17 | bynari | What PDA do you have? |
| 16:22.41 | dpro | ipaq 55xx |
| 16:22.52 | bynari | Hm |
| 16:22.57 | bynari | Ah, but you're using GPE |
| 16:23.00 | bynari | ok :) |
| 16:23.33 | dpro | what's the difference ? I want to get rid of it anyway and just have a lean window manager and a menu to start scripts/apps |
| 16:24.07 | dpro | I wouldn't bother using this shing for phonenrs my phone is pretty good at remembering those |
| 16:24.19 | dpro | s/shing/thing/ |
| 16:24.36 | bynari | Different graphical interface |
| 16:24.54 | bynari | GPE is based on GTK+ and OPIE is based on Qtopia |
| 16:24.56 | dpro | I want something like blackbox, no desktop env |
| 16:25.15 | bynari | Why? It's a PDA :) |
| 16:25.19 | dpro | yeah I gathered that, but I hate even the big version of qt |
| 16:25.23 | bynari | How would you run anything? |
| 16:25.28 | bynari | You'd have to type in constant commands |
| 16:25.32 | dpro | blackbox has menu |
| 16:25.51 | dpro | xkbd works without a desktop environment for tiny desktops |
| 16:25.51 | bynari | Yeah, but it's not as convenient |
| 16:26.12 | bynari | You don't have keys to bind events to though :) |
| 16:26.27 | dpro | I think the desktop metaphor is a failure on a 19" screen and sux even more on a 3" |
| 16:27.02 | bynari | Totally personal choice |
| 16:27.11 | dpro | I installed linux because wince was so terrible and now I find gpe to be equally bad to navigate |
| 16:27.22 | dpro | of course, but its a Pda |
| 16:27.35 | bynari | The goal of familiar isn't to provide a fantastic user interface.. |
| 16:27.40 | bynari | The good part is that it's linux |
| 16:27.49 | dpro | wasn't the goal of wince either obviously |
| 16:27.55 | bynari | You have more control. You have a console and a choice of packages |
| 16:27.57 | dpro | yeah I ssh into it :) |
| 16:28.01 | bynari | :) |
| 16:28.28 | dpro | but if I could get the wlan to wake up on it's own after suspend I would find it a lot niceer |
| 16:29.09 | dpro | didnt' work :) |
| 16:29.30 | bynari | :) |
| 16:29.34 | dpro | it's much better than wince already though |
| 16:29.38 | bynari | Sigh. 45 minutes until upload |
| 16:29.43 | dpro | :) |
| 16:29.43 | bynari | Yeah |
| 16:30.01 | bynari | I'm looking forward to coding some applications for it |
| 16:30.20 | dpro | familiar and hp teach you to be patient, a rare quality in those fast changing times esp. in the IT world |
| 16:30.21 | bynari | To code for pocket pc 2003 you have to be schooled in windows development |
| 16:30.35 | bynari | Which I'm not. But with linux I can code my own custom applications to suit my lifestyle |
| 16:30.44 | bynari | Yeah |
| 16:31.55 | dpro | do you know where all those things I see on my screen are or where they are configured |
| 16:31.56 | dpro | ?? |
| 16:32.50 | dpro | ah /usr/share/applications looks promising |
| 16:33.21 | dpro | BIAB |
| 16:33.26 | bynari | somewhere in /usr yep :) |
| 16:33.38 | bynari | Everything's configured in /etc/* |
| 16:33.49 | bynari | Just the same as a normal linux system |
| 16:34.40 | dpro | no it's not that _normal_ for me I run no gnome/kde/xfce on my powerbook |
| 16:35.33 | dpro | hell there isn't even a single icon on my screen, all keyboard shortcuts |
| 16:35.44 | bynari | :) |
| 16:36.16 | dpro | it'll take me a few days to taylor my new toy to fit my working style |
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| 17:50.51 | clh_work | dpro / do you mean suspend/resume with the power button? |
| 17:51.07 | clh_work | sorry, that was in reference to an old question |
| 17:51.15 | clh_work | my scrollbar hadn't moved |
| 17:51.42 | clh_work | but anyway, suspend/resume from the power button works on my 5550 |
| 18:07.18 | dpro | clh: works fine here, it just won't reconnect to the wireless lan after resume (I do it manually with udhcpc -i wlan0) |
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| 19:28.26 | VenumX | anyone know if there is anything that i can put on my 1945 to at least simulate linux? |
| 19:29.42 | dottedmag | VenumX: VNC-client? |
| 19:30.43 | VenumX | dottedmag: does it have terminal and everythin? |
| 19:30.59 | dottedmag | VenumX: Google 'VNC' |
| 19:33.29 | VenumX | u guys hear about this guy that thinks we will have immortality solved by 2030? |
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| 21:42.48 | Spacelvis | Hi! Does anybody else have problems loading the handhelds.org-pages at the moment? |
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| 22:36.06 | Inferno`` | hello |
| 22:36.21 | Inferno`` | can someone answer me a queistion? |
| 22:36.54 | Inferno`` | is it possble to read the line running on screen during boot up sequence on ipaq? |
| 22:37.04 | Inferno`` | dmesg won't tell me |
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