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| 01:44.48 | DoctorMO | Hello, |
| 01:45.19 | DoctorMO | does anyone have any information on if I can install Linux on my Cassiopeia E125? |
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| 03:09.21 | Malotesan | hola hay alguien aqui?? |
| 03:09.24 | Malotesan | eh??? |
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| 07:35.28 | laboom | Hello! Can someone help me with my familiar 0.8.0/0.8.1? I have strange things with "OPIE" and don't know how to fix them. |
| 07:36.26 | laboom | Meanwhile I flashed my iPAQ 3870 at least 12 times (yesterday), because OPIE randomly gets mis-configuration and then fails. |
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| 08:07.07 | [newbie] | hello, bluelightning! |
| 08:07.17 | bluelightning | hi [newbie] |
| 08:07.48 | bluelightning | heh, "newbie" always reminds me of Scrubs now :) |
| 08:08.05 | [newbie] | Sorry, I am "laboom" from yesterday, but I can't find out how to switch back in kVirc... |
| 08:08.12 | bluelightning | ah ok |
| 08:08.27 | bluelightning | I use Konversation myself |
| 08:08.50 | bluelightning | you can just go /nick laboom |
| 08:08.57 | [newbie] | Do you have some time? I could go into the cellar and cry 1/2 an hour to feel better. -> OPIE 0.8.1 |
| 08:09.06 | bluelightning | sure |
| 08:10.00 | [newbie] | You remember, you pointed me to "0.8.1 testing" yesterday. Since then, I surely re-flashed the iPAQ meanwhile 12-14 times. |
| 08:10.11 | bluelightning | woah... why? |
| 08:11.27 | [newbie] | Yes, this version has a very strange "feature". OPIE sometimes decides to hang inside the "Documents tab" after a reboot. And it is impossible to get out there. |
| 08:11.57 | bluelightning | is that when you have a card in the slot? or no card? |
| 08:12.32 | [newbie] | Let me describe everything first. (I do it in multiple lines... |
| 08:13.59 | [newbie] | The problem happens randomly, with or without cards inside. But I have the impression it happens when I reboot the iPAQ after some installation of additional software more often. |
| 08:14.59 | [newbie] | I also tried to make a backup of /root/Settings to a card and then restore all tis files through a ssh login (which still works), but this only leads to the following: |
| 08:16.40 | [newbie] | The next "opie start" (of course, I stopped OPIE before making the backup of the files) leads me through all initial setting screens. Here I can(!) klick the "OK" button, while the buttons for "next" and "finalize" appear dead in the taskbar. |
| 08:17.14 | [newbie] | But when this wueries are solved, I stuck again in the Documents Tab. And there I can not klick anything. |
| 08:17.50 | bluelightning | hmm... well that is annoying |
| 08:17.58 | [newbie] | But interesting: When I plug in/out a card, this little popup message is shown, so the GUI is not completely dead... -- Ok, I am done. |
| 08:18.21 | bluelightning | I haven't seen that here, but I am about to reflash Opie onto my 3850 tonight so I'll check it out |
| 08:18.49 | [newbie] | What is your location? |
| 08:19.02 | bluelightning | Auckland, New Zealand |
| 08:19.07 | [newbie] | (Time-Zone) |
| 08:19.13 | bluelightning | tonight = now basically :) |
| 08:19.22 | bluelightning | it's 9:20PM atm |
| 08:19.29 | [newbie] | Oh! So how late is it at your location now? |
| 08:19.55 | bluelightning | 9:20PM |
| 08:20.18 | [newbie] | So it is 21:20 o'clock. Right? This AM/PM is always confusing me... |
| 08:20.27 | bluelightning | yeah that's right |
| 08:21.33 | [newbie] | Thanks you VERY much. You are the only one who seems to help me. I highly appreciate this to you. |
| 08:22.11 | Lanfear | bluelightning: I got the thing to work, the normal rule to 'Always check first the cables' did not quite apply, but the reason was that the AP had a restricted list of MACs |
| 08:22.14 | [newbie] | (Besides: You have late evening, here I have 09:20 in the morning.) |
| 08:22.40 | Lanfear | Which was kind of a DUH after a day of troubleshooting :-) |
| 08:22.52 | Lanfear | And yes, a big thank you for your effort to help |
| 08:23.38 | [newbie] | Lanfear: WHat's your local time (24-hour-format, please) |
| 08:23.55 | Lanfear | 10:23 (Finland) |
| 08:24.23 | [newbie] | Oh! I am from Austria (Vienna). |
| 08:24.29 | Lanfear | And for the record, I too get confused by that am/pm thingie |
| 08:24.59 | Lanfear | Is 00:00pm at 12:00 or 24:00 |
| 08:25.31 | Lanfear | Ment to say 12pm |
| 08:25.34 | [newbie] | :) So we (actually) have good chances that bluelightning will have his iPAQ flashed while we are working... ;-) |
| 08:25.53 | bluelightning | Lanfear: doh |
| 08:26.29 | bluelightning | yeah I'll get to flashing in a sec ;) |
| 08:27.03 | Lanfear | The PDA is basically now finished as far as I am concerned, although there seems to be a bug in the D-Link AP, it crashes when you send jumbosized multicast UDP |
| 08:27.27 | Lanfear | [newbie]: What part of Astria, Salzburg by any chance? |
| 08:27.31 | Lanfear | +u |
| 08:27.43 | [newbie] | I hate this AP/PM. Such unlogical. PM starts in my point of view at 12:00 and not at 13:00... But 12:00 PM appears to be 00:00/24:00 ... |
| 08:28.46 | [newbie] | Ok, blue.... do you need some information about what I did to make it crash? |
| 08:29.17 | bluelightning | crash? I didn't see you mention that... |
| 08:29.42 | [newbie] | Lanfear: No. Vienna. (Eastern end of Austria, in the upper 3rd of its height) |
| 08:30.18 | Lanfear | Ahh... |
| 08:30.18 | bluelightning | btw I would recommend making a bug report to http://opie-bugs.oszine.de/ for the doctab thing, mentioning that you are using Familiar 0.8.1-snapshot and Opie 1.1.9 |
| 08:30.28 | Lanfear | We missed that due to a broken waterpump when we toured Germany (and Austria) two years ago :-( |
| 08:30.31 | [newbie] | blue... No crash. It is a "hang" of the GUI, because ssh still works |
| 08:32.00 | [newbie] | Lanfear: Not good. When you are again in A, we could meet, if you want. |
| 08:33.16 | Lanfear | Well that may not for a few years, and we (me and my better half) still have to go to NZ too |
| 08:33.45 | bluelightning | NZ's great, I'd highly recommend it :) |
| 08:35.09 | Lanfear | Indeed, and this is not just because of the LoTR-thing, I wanted to visit NZ ever since I saw Bad Taste :-) |
| 08:36.04 | bluelightning | Lanfear: actually, I've never seen Bad Taste or his other movies, other than The Frighteners which I quite liked |
| 08:36.25 | Lanfear | A German friend of mine toured NZ last year and the pics he took were awesome |
| 08:37.36 | Lanfear | Peter Jackson has done some marvelous turkey-movies, Bad Taste, Meet The Feebles and Braindead. Excellent stuff. And Heavenly Creatures were superb too although for (obviously) different reasons |
| 08:38.30 | [newbie] | bluelightning: You helped me to edit ipkg.conf yesterday. This worked fine, no failures noticed at "ipkg update" "ipkg upgrade",... Then I installed now only konqueror-embedded, nothing more. The iPAQ worked normally. |
| 08:41.36 | [newbie] | NOW IT's DEAD: I simply klicked on "Settings-Tab", then I clicked the red Power-Icon and choosed "Reboot". The ipaq needs a while, then it starts again and shows the boot-loader. I press the most right button and start it up. When the GUI appears, I klick on the "Documents Tab". AND IT HANGS NOW. |
| 08:42.02 | bluelightning | hmm... |
| 08:42.18 | [newbie] | blue... But I still can access it by ssh. 8-/ |
| 08:42.36 | bluelightning | it's probably getting in some kind of loop |
| 08:42.54 | bluelightning | does disabling the doctab in settings change anything? |
| 08:43.41 | [newbie] | Absolutely. It must be something like that! -- It is already disabled. The message "The Document Tab has been disabled ......." is displayed. |
| 08:44.11 | bluelightning | so it locks up even though it's supposedly disabled? |
| 08:44.59 | [newbie] | Oh, yes! -- You can imagine how upset I was yesterday, after the 10th re-flashing. |
| 08:45.21 | bluelightning | well I think one of the problems there is that you are a bit quick to reflash... |
| 08:46.00 | bluelightning | if there is a bug that causes the doctab to lock up Opie when you click it, then it's a case of don't do that then (tm) until it's fixed |
| 08:46.03 | [newbie] | possibly, yes. but i had no other option. |
| 08:46.14 | bluelightning | well you do, because reflashing clearly does not help |
| 08:47.57 | bluelightning | as I said, I would highly recommend you report this bug using the Opie bug tracker : http://opie-bugs.oszine.de/ |
| 08:48.08 | [newbie] | No, you mis-understand. After the reflashing (before I do a reboot) everything works fine! I can click the tab, it simply shows the same message, but I can switch out of that again. Nothing appears wrong. This comes when I do the reboot. |
| 08:48.34 | bluelightning | I see |
| 08:49.07 | [newbie] | But if you wish, we can try now several things, you are online and I can use ssh... |
| 08:49.15 | [newbie] | Maybe, we find the fault! |
| 08:50.04 | bluelightning | well I don't know what I could really do... I do do some development on opie, but troubleshooting a problem like this is not something I know how to do |
| 08:51.25 | bluelightning | btw my newly flashed 3850 is just booting now |
| 08:52.02 | [newbie] | This is my problem, too. And I also do not develop on OPIE, I am primarily a user who wants to use ready made tools on the iPAQ, so I have less knowledge about the internals of OPIE than you. |
| 08:53.04 | bluelightning | well let me get opie set up and I will try to reboot and see if I see the same issue |
| 08:55.15 | [newbie] | Ok. -- Some addnl info: I made a copy of /root/Settings/* to a card. Now I entered through SSH "/etc/init.d/opie stop" and saw the message: Copying default qpe.conf into /home/root/Settings/ |
| 08:56.01 | bluelightning | yes, it seems they decided to move root's home dir to /home/root, however they did not go the next step and make /root point to /home/root, which leads to confusion |
| 08:56.07 | bluelightning | :/ |
| 08:56.20 | bluelightning | hopefully that will be fixed before release |
| 08:56.39 | bluelightning | hmm, no lock up here yet |
| 08:57.11 | bluelightning | which things did you install each time? or did you not need to install anything for it to happen? |
| 09:01.35 | [newbie] | I copied now from my backup the qpe.conf into /home/root/Settings and also into /root/settings. I waited some time, then I brutally pressed the reset-button. The iPAQ starts again, shows a pretty desktop, but when I touch any tab, it immediately changes to Documents tab and hangs there again. |
| 09:02.28 | bluelightning | well, did you install anything? because I can't reproduce the problem here |
| 09:03.47 | [newbie] | I installed the image from yesterday, then I changed the ipkg.conf according to your instructions and configured WLAN. Finally, I installed konqueror-embedded. Nothing else. |
| 09:04.00 | bluelightning | right, I will do the same |
| 09:12.37 | bluelightning | excellent, it now freezes as you describe |
| 09:13.27 | bluelightning | this is odd, because installing konqueror-embedded doesn't install any Opie components, just a few standard libraries |
| 09:13.49 | [newbie] | Isn't it wonderful? Two machines cause the same problem. :-) So the problem is not "in front of the screen" as I usually love say... |
| 09:14.15 | bluelightning | heh :) no, it would appear to be a bug |
| 09:14.27 | bluelightning | I'll file a bug for you and take it from here |
| 09:15.39 | [newbie] | You mis-understood: I always tell my customers (when they are too dumb to operate a program and they mean that the program is bad): The problem is _in_front_ of the screen, not behind of it... ;-) |
| 09:16.02 | bluelightning | yeah... aka PEBKAC error :) |
| 09:16.17 | [newbie] | ??????????????? What? |
| 09:16.28 | bluelightning | Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair |
| 09:16.30 | bluelightning | :) |
| 09:17.16 | [newbie] | Ah! Good and very efficient abbreviation. :-) What do you think about this hang(s)? Difficult to fix/locate? |
| 09:17.34 | bluelightning | well I am just about to start removing packages and see if it fixes it |
| 09:18.29 | [newbie] | Ok. So I will leave you my email address (in case that this connection is lost): office@hantsch.co.at |
| 09:18.50 | bluelightning | next thing I will do is try to set up an OE build environment for h3600, and build new packages to see if they are also broken |
| 09:19.09 | [newbie] | I will wait and try out several things too. |
| 09:19.17 | bluelightning | newbie: ah so you are Rainer Hantsch? |
| 09:20.48 | [newbie] | When you build a new image: Could you have a look on the used sshd? It appears slightly unstable to me.Also it would be a good idea to add telnet and telnetd by default, because this is needed often (at least I do). |
| 09:21.31 | [newbie] | Yes, that's me. Rainer Hantsch. Why? |
| 09:21.49 | bluelightning | just saw some of your posts on the mailing list, is all :) |
| 09:22.09 | bluelightning | hmm, so you think that ssh is causing the connection issues (actually I have heard of problems like that with dropbear)... does scp'ing a file across cause it to die? |
| 09:24.29 | bluelightning | ah, I know what this is! the touchscreen has lost its calibration settings |
| 09:24.41 | [newbie] | I use now a different WLAN card. here it is better. But my old one (-> both are PRISM 2.5 11MBps !!) aborted the connection even when I did a "ls /etc". This "traffic" was enough to cause a disconnect and I had to unplug/replug the wlan card! |
| 09:24.49 | bluelightning | thus it clicks in top right all of the time... thus appearing to be locked on the doc tab |
| 09:24.58 | bluelightning | (eureka!) |
| 09:25.34 | [newbie] | Eureka sounds good. |
| 09:26.01 | bluelightning | well if I could figure out why the touchscreen is all screwed then the problem would be fixed |
| 09:26.17 | [newbie] | Yes, I also wodred that when I long-click lower left, a "klick" appears at top right! |
| 09:27.02 | [newbie] | Oh this mis-typings... |
| 09:27.50 | [newbie] | Do you know the name of the calibrating tool? Maybe I can start it through ssh? |
| 09:29.29 | bluelightning | hmm, can't seem to find it... |
| 09:31.01 | [newbie] | me, too... :/ familiar has a really strange directory structure... |
| 09:31.57 | [newbie] | Besides: Is it possible to run X11 on an iPAQ? Would allow me to remotely operate Linux servers who export X11 |
| 09:32.21 | [newbie] | (Well, I klow, 320x240 pixels is not very much |
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| 09:35.48 | bluelightning | I think I can't find it because there is no file for it |
| 09:36.11 | bluelightning | only way to get X11 is to use GPE, which runs on top of X |
| 09:36.26 | [newbie] | Bluelightning? I will keep my IRC open but I must do some work now. You may send me also an eMail if you wish or need my help. Address see above. |
| 09:36.35 | [newbie] | GPE : Is it much slower? |
| 09:37.02 | bluelightning | it's about the same speed, it looks and feels very different though |
| 09:37.09 | bluelightning | ok |
| 09:37.21 | [newbie] | But then it is not OPIE any more. Right? |
| 09:37.31 | bluelightning | yeah it's a different environment |
| 09:38.04 | [newbie] | Very restricted software available? (A little bit multimedia is always fine.) |
| 09:38.12 | roeles | any developers on the ipaq cluster here? seems gcc is not liking stdlib.h atm |
| 09:38.29 | bluelightning | roeles: you'll probably need to email admin@handhelds.org |
| 09:39.00 | roeles | bluelightning: thanks, I tried handhelds@handhelds.org since the page noticed admin only for resets |
| 09:39.01 | bluelightning | newbie: well, I haven't had a look at the full range of software available for GPE, I tend to use Opie |
| 09:39.17 | bluelightning | roeles: ah ok I did not know that :) |
| 09:40.33 | roeles | bluelightning: got no reaction though |
| 09:41.10 | bluelightning | hmm, well send to admin@ then, they won't mind too much (I'm on the admin list, but I don't know much about the cluster) |
| 09:41.11 | [newbie] | I personally also prefer OPIE, it is meanwhile more familiar to me (... this word-play is great). :-) |
| 09:41.23 | bluelightning | newbie: heh :) |
| 09:41.32 | bluelightning | newbie: so do I |
| 09:41.55 | bluelightning | newbie: btw, new snapshot images just uploaded, am downloading now and will let you know if it helps the touchscreen problem |
| 09:44.05 | roeles | bluelightning: k, thanks |
| 09:44.06 | [newbie] | Fine. I'll wait and stay online... |
| 09:45.20 | roeles | bluelightning: you know from the top of your head what touchscreen chip the 5550 uses? just in case I'm trying to compile a useless driver :) |
| 09:45.27 | roeles | bluelightning: it is the same as in the 3600 right? |
| 09:46.17 | bluelightning | roeles: I wouldn't have the faintest idea, I'm sorry... I can tell you my 3900 uses the same as the 3600, so it may well be |
| 09:47.21 | roeles | bluelightning: no problem, I'm going to try it |
| 09:47.38 | roeles | bluelightning: since familair approaches the 5550 as a 3600 I guess it too uses the same |
| 09:48.29 | bluelightning | roeles: only in some respects... a lot of the other hardware is quite different (different CPU, for one) |
| 09:49.22 | roeles | bluelightning: I noticed yes |
| 09:49.57 | roeles | bluelightning: does the X server that comes with GPE log the hardware it find btw? |
| 09:50.35 | bluelightning | not sure, I mainly use Opie |
| 09:50.46 | roeles | bluelightning: ah, k |
| 09:55.42 | [newbie] | bluelightning: Do you know KVIrc? It is heavy to type "bluelightning" in every line. Is there no showrtcut/mouseclick onto a name to automize that? |
| 09:56.01 | [newbie] | Some news on the new image? |
| 09:56.13 | bluelightning | just finished d/ling |
| 09:56.39 | bluelightning | newbie: haven't used kvirc at all I don't think |
| 09:58.33 | [newbie] | I try to connect as laboom - moment... |
| 09:58.34 | *** part/#familiar [newbie] (~rainer@linux.hantsch.co.at) |
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| 09:58.59 | bluelightning | newbie: just go /nick laboom |
| 09:59.05 | Lanfear | Doesn't tab autocomplete? |
| 09:59.23 | bluelightning | voila |
| 09:59.39 | laboom | Oh! I have very seldom to do with IRC... |
| 10:00.03 | laboom | Here it goes, but when more people overlap, it becomes crazy. |
| 10:01.21 | Lanfear | Damn, the busybox version of the ping does not support -f |
| 10:01.52 | laboom | You do flood-pings? |
| 10:02.26 | Lanfear | Yes, as it is the easiest way to see what happens when you send oversized packages over the WLAN as fast as possible |
| 10:02.39 | roeles | :) |
| 10:03.12 | Lanfear | We noted that when we put a hub between the sending computer and the AP the packet loss went up to 12% (from 0%) |
| 10:03.44 | Lanfear | We pinged a Pocket PC |
| 10:03.48 | laboom | BTW: what is the easiest way to build a list of all used IPs in a subnet (normal Linux)? |
| 10:04.09 | roeles | heh...you know the range you're in? |
| 10:04.25 | Lanfear | Unfortunatelly the goddamn PPC2k3 is so totally braindamaged when it comes to analyzing anything more complicated than your breath |
| 10:04.43 | Lanfear | nmap scan the whole subnet?-) |
| 10:04.47 | roeles | yeah |
| 10:04.58 | bluelightning | PocketPC really annoys me... networking setup under it is a pain |
| 10:05.03 | roeles | laboom: nmap -sP 192.168.0.* |
| 10:05.14 | roeles | bluelightning: was the reason I went for linux in the first place |
| 10:05.21 | laboom | Of course ... I run a decent, little 10.x.x.x/8 LAN. So it needs a long while to scan it. Does nmap do the same? |
| 10:05.33 | Lanfear | bluelightning: It's not annoying, it's enraging |
| 10:05.46 | bluelightning | Lanfear: heh |
| 10:05.56 | roeles | bluelightning: 2 commands and I was running....and I finally found out the WLAN light should be green when connected :D |
| 10:06.08 | laboom | Hey, guys, deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep breathing helps sometines... :-) |
| 10:06.22 | laboom | ... ommmmmmmmmmm ... |
| 10:06.37 | bluelightning | laboom: hehe |
| 10:06.41 | Lanfear | I wish the PDAs were bigger so stuffing it down the goddamn developer/marketdroid who was responsible for the creation of PPC would really be painful |
| 10:06.42 | roeles | yep, and then breathing out like Superman, freezing Win2k3 mobile :) |
| 10:07.04 | Lanfear | +throat |
| 10:07.23 | bluelightning | ok reflashing new image |
| 10:07.48 | roeles | laboom: nmap will ping-scan with -sP |
| 10:07.59 | laboom | Ha! But Linux definitely takes rapidely market share. And this is because of all this garbage from Redmond... ;-) |
| 10:09.17 | bluelightning | laboom: we're not there yet though... still lots of market share to gain |
| 10:09.24 | roeles | yep |
| 10:09.44 | bluelightning | the PDA side is a little disappointing these days, what with the almost complete withdrawal of Sharp |
| 10:09.46 | laboom | But Linux closes up rapidely... |
| 10:09.48 | roeles | and it's not only MS it's taking over |
| 10:10.05 | roeles | SGI is switching from IRIX to Linux on the supercomputing side too |
| 10:10.13 | bluelightning | yeah, commercial Unix is being moved over too |
| 10:10.29 | bluelightning | we switched from SCO OpenServer to Linux for our db servers at work :) |
| 10:10.39 | roeles | heh |
| 10:10.45 | Lanfear | Good for you |
| 10:11.08 | Lanfear | We terminate our OSL-contract next month and start using Linux as our main OS across the office |
| 10:11.11 | bluelightning | besides, even before the whole SCO debacle, SCO Openserver was a truly awful Unix |
| 10:11.38 | bluelightning | has a diabolical dir structure and lots of the commands I'm used to in Linux aren't there |
| 10:11.39 | Lanfear | We do some Windows-dev still so a few Windows will remain, but with their single-licenses |
| 10:11.58 | laboom | Don't you think that most of those who come from Windows are changing only because they are so upset about all this bugs? |
| 10:12.11 | Lanfear | I've never have laid my hands on a Openserver, but I've heard the tales |
| 10:12.15 | bluelightning | unfortunately (for me) we're a Windows-only development company, so I will be a Windows dev until I leave there |
| 10:12.34 | Lanfear | laboom: Our reason was the outrageous payments _per year_ |
| 10:12.38 | bluelightning | I get to do a little Linux admin stuff though |
| 10:13.15 | roeles | bluelightning: the kernel running on familiar...is it heavily patched or is it basically a vanilla kernel? |
| 10:14.09 | Lanfear | I do have to admit though that I almost ripped my pants trying to use a newly installed Solaris, it just did not have even the most basic functions which I have so accustomed to in Linux |
| 10:14.21 | laboom | Well, I changed my own office 4-5 years ago totally to Linux. GREAT. It was a very bloody beginning, but meanwhile I am sure I did the right decision. Now I do the same at my customers as far as possible (=accepted). |
| 10:15.29 | laboom | ... but familiar is the absolute extreme to me. ;-) |
| 10:15.31 | Lanfear | And resently I installed a FreeBSD (4.10) and after some very heated discussion with a couple of friends of mine (which resulted in a week of /ignore on both side :-) |
| 10:16.02 | bluelightning | roeles: it's 2.4.19 plus lots of patches yeah... easiest way to get hold of sources is to grab from CVS |
| 10:16.02 | Lanfear | I've probably become too narrowminded OS-wise |
| 10:16.49 | roeles | bluelightning: but 2.6 is on it's way right? |
| 10:17.13 | bluelightning | roeles: yeah it's being worked on, mostly for newer models but the work will trickle back to h3xxx eventually |
| 10:17.31 | roeles | ah, sweet! |
| 10:18.35 | laboom | It's always so funny to look into the faces of customers while telling them that there is a server runing meanwhile without *any* problem with an uptime of > 2 years... |
| 10:18.45 | bluelightning | laboom: hehe |
| 10:19.00 | Lanfear | Mmm... 2 years in what kind of a net? |
| 10:19.51 | roeles | yeah...what about kernel upgrades? |
| 10:20.02 | Lanfear | There has been a couple of kernel bugs which requires rebooting |
| 10:20.28 | Lanfear | Otherwise the old saying holds, if it ain't broken, don't fix it |
| 10:21.15 | roeles | true, true |
| 10:21.18 | Lanfear | We still have my first computer here running Linux, people use it as a irc-box, an P75 with 32MB memory running RH7.2 IIRC |
| 10:21.46 | Lanfear | Of course, it did not run the said RH 8 years ago... |
| 10:22.35 | roeles | does RH nowadays upate over the internet like Deb and such? |
| 10:22.43 | laboom | Exactly. The oldest server (still running!) is a SuSE 5.2 with kernel 2.0.33. It is mail/fax/printserver and also Internet-Gateway (masquerading). It simply works. And when everything not required is not installed, it is still safe. |
| 10:22.56 | Lanfear | roeles: You can use apt-get to update RH/Fedora |
| 10:23.14 | roeles | hm |
| 10:23.35 | Lanfear | If you don't want to use up2date or yum, up2date has been around for at least 4 years |
| 10:24.41 | Lanfear | laboom: I think the main thing (which most Windows users misses) is that you _know_ the risks and then do a decision upon that knowledge |
| 10:25.10 | laboom | Absolutely right. |
| 10:25.11 | Lanfear | Most Windows-users just don't know/understand what their boxes do |
| 10:25.28 | roeles | true |
| 10:25.32 | laboom | bluelightning: Something new with the iPAQ? |
| 10:25.33 | Lanfear | Like the uPNP |
| 10:25.53 | roeles | although I learned from OS X you don't have to really |
| 10:26.07 | bluelightning | laboom: just testing now |
| 10:26.08 | roeles | most users don't care about drivers updates and such...or don't want to |
| 10:26.21 | laboom | Lanfear: Even worser: They don't want to think about problems. They only want klicki-klicki-klicki... |
| 10:26.32 | Lanfear | For that matter until resently MS itself were quite clueless to what trouble they got themselves in when they added all the gazillion unnecessary features at the cost of security |
| 10:26.55 | laboom | Yes. |
| 10:27.40 | Lanfear | Well MS markets their stuff as 'only-need-to-clickety-click' |
| 10:28.12 | Lanfear | They (MS) could at least make sure it is _safe_ to do so |
| 10:29.04 | laboom | I experienced that the only warranty that MS gives, is: We guarantee that this software will consume space on your harddisk when it is installed. ;-) |
| 10:29.16 | roeles | hehe |
| 10:29.29 | bluelightning | the thing is some of their security bugs are because of carelessness or laziness, not because of an ease-of-use tradeoff |
| 10:29.31 | Lanfear | EULA says it all |
| 10:29.32 | roeles | even better, when you deinstall it checks if you have enough space avaiable |
| 10:30.09 | Lanfear | MS is like a condom seller who purchases the stuff cheap from a needle-accident |
| 10:30.19 | Lanfear | Uh... wobbling analogy alert |
| 10:30.43 | laboom | Yep! And what's about all this messages like "Not enough memory to stop program..." |
| 10:31.16 | Lanfear | Are those still present in W2k/XP? |
| 10:31.40 | bluelightning | laboom: ahaha... your warranty thing is going in my quotes list :) |
| 10:32.11 | roeles | Lanfear: *quotes the needly thing to bash.org* |
| 10:32.13 | laboom | Don't know. Actually my som has (for gaming) XP installed. I can't count how often this garbage hangs at shutdown. |
| 10:32.32 | Lanfear | roeles: Duh |
| 10:32.43 | roeles | :P |
| 10:33.02 | bluelightning | I still have XP dual-boot on my PC for games... but that's it |
| 10:33.29 | Lanfear | I do also use Windows to play games |
| 10:33.30 | bluelightning | and it does very weird stuff sometimes... strangely, at work I have none of the same problems |
| 10:33.30 | laboom | ...as my son has. Programming in Linux, playing in Windoze. |
| 10:34.04 | laboom | But now many good games come out for Linux, sice it supports 3D and openGL very well... |
| 10:34.09 | Lanfear | Should really look into the Cedega-thing |
| 10:34.24 | laboom | ?! |
| 10:34.34 | bluelightning | I was subscribed to WineX for a while back when it was called that... was a little disappointed |
| 10:34.46 | Lanfear | Cedega, formely known as Transgaming or WineX |
| 10:34.57 | bluelightning | it was ok, but it's easier for me to just dual-boot and have none of the speed or support issues |
| 10:35.13 | bluelightning | unfortunately |
| 10:35.25 | laboom | I am no gamer. I know better things to kill my free time... |
| 10:35.43 | Lanfear | I tested it too some time ago, but it had some issues with BF1942 so I left it at that |
| 10:37.03 | Lanfear | But I absolutely detest rebooting, the problem is that I do CPU-intensive stuff on both sides so buying two powerful comps is not an option (according to my better half) |
| 10:37.04 | laboom | Well, my son got the idea to write a game. Now he is doing his first steps in Kylix (to be able to compile the game for Win+Lin) |
| 10:37.33 | laboom | ... with OpenGL. |
| 10:37.44 | bluelightning | Kylix is OK... it would have been brilliant if they'd kept on developing it |
| 10:37.51 | laboom | bluelightning: Smething new with your IPAQ? |
| 10:37.58 | roeles | bluelightning: are you in the group that builds packets for familiar? |
| 10:38.27 | bluelightning | roeles: I'm on the very edge of it I guess.. I use OE, and submit patches when I can |
| 10:38.42 | roeles | ah |
| 10:39.09 | bluelightning | laboom: not yet, I was seeing if I could get it to happen without installing konq-e |
| 10:40.39 | laboom | Oh, oh... <very-sad-face> So I feel that this is deep inside... Is the setup of the touchscreen pherheps never stored at all? |
| 10:41.22 | laboom | ... only an idea. Because 0.8.1 is testing... |
| 10:41.24 | bluelightning | yeah it was stored initially... something is corrupting it I think |
| 10:42.18 | laboom | Should I change back to 0.8.0 stable? I got a hint from Oliver Fels how to fis the problem with loading the GUI after restarting... |
| 10:42.56 | bluelightning | laboom: just gimme a sec, I'm installing konq-e now |
| 10:43.26 | bluelightning | only thing about all of this testing is that 0.8.1 final won't be using the same feed, so I'm not sure that the packages will be the same |
| 10:43.37 | bluelightning | not much to be done about that though |
| 10:43.53 | laboom | With 0.8.0 I had the problem that OPIE did not start automatically. |
| 10:44.02 | bluelightning | yeah, which is fixable |
| 10:44.09 | laboom | What do you mean with "not much to be done..."? |
| 10:44.41 | bluelightning | well, koen (who builds the packages) doesn't fancy uploading several hundred mb of packages for the testing releases, and I can't really blame him :) |
| 10:45.48 | bluelightning | I think we will manage to have a final test with the proper feed this time though, just to make sure |
| 10:46.58 | laboom | Yes. My Q. is different. When no solution in 0.8.1 is visible in next time, I am "forced" to do something different, otherwise my iPAQ is useless because I cannot re-flash everything when the battery got empty by accident. |
| 10:47.18 | laboom | ... don't mis-understand, please. |
| 10:47.34 | bluelightning | yeah I understand you want to use your ipaq for stuff :) that's fair enough |
| 10:47.59 | laboom | ...whatever stuff is meaning. |
| 10:48.00 | bluelightning | just rebooting after installing konq-e |
| 10:48.23 | bluelightning | stuff meaning actual use rather than just playing around with files and reflashing :) |
| 10:49.12 | roeles | btw, any of you having difficulties with SD cards? |
| 10:49.25 | roeles | mine sometimes is having trouble with my SD card |
| 10:49.30 | bluelightning | roeles: which model (sorry if you have already said)? |
| 10:50.03 | bluelightning | laboom: well it seems to be ok so far... just doing another reboot to check |
| 10:50.13 | roeles | bluelightning: 5550 |
| 10:50.32 | roeles | I get a bunch of scary dmesg entries after I insert it |
| 10:50.37 | bluelightning | roeles: I think there are known issues with SD on 5550 atm, hang on and I will check |
| 10:50.41 | laboom | Yes. I primarily switched from WinCE to Linux (some years ago), because I was upset about all this restrictions and really poor equipment. Meanwhile my son starts joking: Dad, do you really think that this will work in the future? ... =8-/ I currently cannot really disagree. |
| 10:51.20 | roeles | now I'm trying to reproduce the problem it works |
| 10:51.30 | Lanfear | Demo-effects |
| 10:51.53 | laboom | ... It gets better, but it is really far away from being as known from PCs. |
| 10:51.53 | roeles | yep |
| 10:52.03 | laboom | yep - what? |
| 10:52.06 | bluelightning | laboom: well, we're getting there... it has been a lot worse in the past :) |
| 10:52.56 | roeles | demo effects :) |
| 10:53.19 | laboom | blue....: Yes, a *lot* was worse. I hat the impression that it even stopped moving. This was ~2 yrs ago. But since 1/2 year moving can be recognized again... |
| 10:53.46 | Lanfear | Hjmm.. I'm actually contemplating on purchasing an Ipaq myself now that I've had some experience with this one |
| 10:53.59 | roeles | oh, most mobile phones use obex for file transfers right? |
| 10:54.29 | bluelightning | roeles: ok I have been informed that SD will work fine if you have the card in when the module loads... which is not brilliant, but workable |
| 10:54.53 | Lanfear | Perhaps my work could pay for one, I see some intriguing usage at home, although I just sweared that I will never use WLAN there, having instead installed a gigabit network |
| 10:54.58 | roeles | bluelightning: ah, I had problems when inserting the card with the module already loaded |
| 10:55.06 | bluelightning | laboom: yeah it did kind of stagnate... I think a few core people lost interest, and before OE came along it was a pain to build packages and images |
| 10:55.12 | roeles | bluelightning: and sometimes too when booting with the card inserted |
| 10:55.26 | roeles | bluelightning: will try to unload/load then |
| 10:56.12 | bluelightning | laboom: ok, it seems the bug has gone... at least it has not come up for me so far |
| 10:57.36 | laboom | This is good news. If you could point me to the image you used... ;-) |
| 10:57.58 | bluelightning | ah yes of course |
| 10:58.06 | laboom | Thanks. |
| 10:58.24 | bluelightning | http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.1/20050211/opie-image-h3600-20050211081428.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 10:59.51 | laboom | wget is geally a good invention... ;-) |
| 11:00.00 | bluelightning | yeah it is very handy |
| 11:00.06 | bluelightning | lynx can be useful too |
| 11:00.11 | bluelightning | in a pinch |
| 11:00.16 | laboom | ... and currently running. ;-) |
| 11:00.17 | bluelightning | or links |
| 11:01.02 | laboom | Is the link to the feed still the same? |
| 11:01.21 | laboom | (I stored ipkg.conf in a SD card) |
| 11:02.25 | bluelightning | yep feed still the same |
| 11:02.34 | bluelightning | good plan |
| 11:03.02 | laboom | Ok, image is here. Will need now a while... |
| 11:03.32 | bluelightning | don't forget to verify it using md5sum (against http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/v0.8.1/20050211/md5sums) |
| 11:03.40 | bluelightning | wouldn't want to flash garbage... |
| 11:04.23 | laboom | I create the md5sum on my linux box and put everything onto the CF card... dont worry.. |
| 11:05.14 | bluelightning | what I mean is, make sure the one on the site matches what you put on the card :) |
| 11:05.14 | laboom | meanwhile I'm champion in flashing... ;-) |
| 11:05.22 | bluelightning | heh |
| 11:12.11 | laboom | Meanwhile everything on CF-Card... |
| 11:14.25 | laboom | bluelightning? Did you know that my iPAQ's Dual CF-Jacket works in both slots with the CF-card, not only in slot 1? I found that out yesterday by accident. =8-D |
| 11:16.23 | bluelightning | laboom: great... do wifi cards etc. work in either slot? |
| 11:16.53 | roeles | hm...I like lftp best really |
| 11:18.11 | laboom | This is no original Jacket. It has one slot which is 1.5 heights and another one with 1.0 heights. emory cards fit into both slots, bit WLAN cards only into the 1.5 heights slot. |
| 11:19.10 | bluelightning | ah I see |
| 11:19.33 | laboom | roeles: What I am often looking for is the opposite of wget: --> WPUT. Know something like that? (To upload data/files to servers by FTP or HTTP) |
| 11:19.42 | bluelightning | I have the dual pc card sleeve for mine, as well as single pc card plus and cf card plus ones |
| 11:19.53 | laboom | ...programming successful. - First boot. |
| 11:20.11 | roeles | laboom: no, no clue. I use lftp for everything...sometimes rather than wget |
| 11:20.19 | bluelightning | dual pc card sleeve is bulky though |
| 11:20.41 | roeles | laboom: it does all I need. uploading, downloading, queues etc |
| 11:21.38 | laboom | roeles: Is it also able to work with this new method? username:password@server:/path ? |
| 11:22.00 | roeles | laboom: never tried :/path, but the rest it does |
| 11:22.04 | roeles | let me check for you |
| 11:22.32 | roeles | sure does |
| 11:23.03 | laboom | blue...: shall I activate Documents Tab or not? |
| 11:23.04 | bluelightning | that's almost ssh style |
| 11:23.16 | roeles | bluelightning: scp style you mean? |
| 11:23.17 | bluelightning | laboom: shouldn't matter |
| 11:23.25 | bluelightning | roeles: yeah that too :) |
| 11:23.39 | bluelightning | laboom: it's not the doctab that causes the problem |
| 11:23.41 | roeles | bluelightning: afaik ssh doesn't support cd after login with that syntax |
| 11:24.19 | laboom | Ahh -- SSH style: How can I pass a password to ssh? I hate this fiddleing with the touchscreen keyboard whenever I need a login. I made a script for the login (executing ssh ..........) but I still must enter the password by hands. |
| 11:24.48 | laboom | roeles: This works with scp. pardon. |
| 11:25.57 | laboom | blue...: Well, I am up and running. Will now setup wlan. What did you install then? |
| 11:26.11 | bluelightning | just konq-e |
| 11:26.19 | bluelightning | that's what killed it last time |
| 11:26.27 | bluelightning | not sure why |
| 11:26.55 | bluelightning | it may be completely unrelated |
| 11:27.53 | roeles | laboom: you might also want to try authenticating using a key. saves you having to type in a pass too. |
| 11:28.31 | laboom | blue....: I will copy now ipkg.conf from my backup. |
| 11:28.39 | bluelightning | k |
| 11:30.43 | laboom | Now updating list. Strange: Updated list of available packages in hf@[][]/base is shown. what are these rectangle boxes after @? |
| 11:32.44 | laboom | Another try gave ... hf@h÷/base But I still get no selection list which is longer! |
| 11:33.47 | laboom | blue....: HELP! What stands in your /etc/ipkg.conf? |
| 11:34.24 | bluelightning | ugh |
| 11:34.38 | laboom | really? ;-) |
| 11:34.46 | bluelightning | no not really :) |
| 11:34.53 | bluelightning | hang on a sec |
| 11:34.55 | laboom | Thought so... ;-) |
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| 11:36.31 | Lanfear | Any experience running (some kind of) java on the Familiar? |
| 11:36.37 | laboom | Now I try a first reboot - before changing anything. |
| 11:37.04 | bluelightning | laboom: http://handhelds.org/~paule/ipkg.conf |
| 11:37.14 | bluelightning | exact copy from my ipaq |
| 11:37.31 | roeles | Lanfear: sure you want that? my guess is the JVM involves a lot of fp calculations |
| 11:37.58 | roeles | Lanfear: maybe you could compile java to binary with gcc? |
| 11:38.08 | Lanfear | Well _I_ don't want it, my boss does :-) |
| 11:38.55 | bluelightning | Lanfear: never tried java on ipaq myself |
| 11:39.28 | laboom | Blue....: A totally new feeling: Windows has a bluescreen, my iPAQ has a red one. After reboot WLAN didn't work. So I replugged the WLAN card. Then this happened... |
| 11:39.36 | Lanfear | And the java-class is about decoding mpeg2/4 |
| 11:40.05 | bluelightning | laboom: weird, never seen a red screen before.. (other than the compaq boot logo) |
| 11:40.12 | roeles | Lanfear: eek |
| 11:40.44 | bluelightning | Lanfear: why on earth would you want to do something that intensive with Java? |
| 11:41.20 | Lanfear | DVB-H and related, probably due to the 'easiness' of porting |
| 11:41.29 | Lanfear | But I'll have to talk him over |
| 11:41.31 | roeles | "because java performs 10% better than C on integer calculations!" :P |
| 11:41.43 | roeles | Lanfear: java can easily be rewritten in C++ |
| 11:41.47 | bluelightning | Lanfear: I guess there is that advantage... however C can be reasonably portable |
| 11:41.48 | roeles | +code |
| 11:41.58 | Lanfear | I just talked with the guy who did the PPC-client and he just hissed :-) |
| 11:42.24 | roeles | Lanfear: and in case you need to make it java avaiable you could consider using JNI |
| 11:42.25 | Lanfear | But that is heavily riddled with Windows-hooks, directDraw and stuff like that |
| 11:42.57 | Lanfear | Yeah |
| 11:43.32 | laboom | blue... Something is wrotten here. (/etc/ipkg.conf) |
| 11:43.46 | bluelightning | did you overwrite it with mine? |
| 11:44.35 | laboom | yep. I edited the src/gz line with that what you wrote. http://handhelds.org/~pause/ipkg.conf |
| 11:44.48 | laboom | sorry: ~paule |
| 11:45.07 | bluelightning | ok, so it's still doing weird stuff is it? |
| 11:46.01 | bluelightning | you may want to go rm /usr/lib/ipkg/lists/* before doing ipkg update |
| 11:46.02 | laboom | It tries to get ~paule/ipkg.con/Packages.gz |
| 11:46.22 | bluelightning | argh no sorry |
| 11:46.36 | laboom | ? |
| 11:46.43 | bluelightning | what I meant was to grab the ipkg.conf file, and overwrite your one with it |
| 11:48.36 | rajeshv | will familiar work in ipaq 4155? |
| 11:48.43 | laboom | ah, now it looks different... :-) |
| 11:50.09 | roeles | lol |
| 11:50.21 | laboom | And now I also can select ide-modprobe, but: I got an error value 4 when doing so... |
| 11:50.39 | roeles | reminds me of when I was cursing on my iPaq just after I flashed it with a tgz image containing the jffs2 image |
| 11:51.41 | laboom | Error= Cannot find package kernel-module-ide-probe |
| 11:52.56 | laboom | Now I tried to get konq-e -- same error message. Something must be wrong in this ipkg.conf file! |
| 11:54.18 | laboom | blue..: Can you, pls. look into your ipkg.conf file? I see 3 src/gz lines, first 2 are remarked. |
| 11:54.49 | Lanfear | Ruahah |
| 11:55.00 | Lanfear | Regarding the Windows bashing, here's a good one: |
| 11:55.13 | laboom | ...whatever this means (ruahah) |
| 11:55.28 | Lanfear | You need administration privileges to defragment the disc, but you can fragment it as anyone |
| 11:55.46 | roeles | what fs you use on SD cards? |
| 11:56.03 | laboom | vfat? |
| 11:56.21 | laboom | But I actually don't touch them at all now! |
| 11:56.23 | roeles | mkay |
| 11:56.40 | roeles | I tried ext2, but I get input/output errors often :) |
| 11:57.01 | bluelightning | laboom: that ipkg.conf works perfectly on my ipaq |
| 11:57.22 | laboom | Then something is wrotten here. But what? |
| 11:58.06 | bluelightning | it's called kernel-module-ide-probe-mod I believe |
| 11:58.24 | bluelightning | you did do an ipkg update, right? |
| 11:59.55 | laboom | blue...: Yes, I couldn't do something wrong here at all - I chose the right one. Sure! Now I do that on a shell by hands... |
| 12:00.50 | bluelightning | oh I see |
| 12:01.04 | laboom | Result: Cannot find package kernel-module-ide-probe. |
| 12:01.48 | laboom | What you see? |
| 12:02.07 | bluelightning | it is called kernel-module-ide-probe-mod as I said... no wonder it can't find the one you're asking for, it's the wrong name :) |
| 12:04.06 | laboom | MUCH better... it worked. :D And now I do the same with konqueror-embedded... |
| 12:04.49 | laboom | At least, something gets transferred. Yes, much activity... |
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| 12:06.13 | laboom | Well, done. And what did you next? |
| 12:06.50 | bluelightning | rebooted |
| 12:07.08 | bluelightning | really, you were the one who brought my attention to the situation, I would have thought you'd just follow your own procedure |
| 12:07.10 | bluelightning | :) |
| 12:07.22 | laboom | How. Rebooting by "O" settings Shutdown Reboot? |
| 12:07.32 | bluelightning | yeah |
| 12:07.42 | laboom | Doing so... |
| 12:08.22 | laboom | Tension is increasing... |
| 12:09.01 | laboom | GUI wakes up... |
| 12:09.29 | laboom | YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS - It works. -- phew. :-D |
| 12:09.43 | bluelightning | see, we are making progress :::) |
| 12:10.28 | laboom | Of course, what's about a flash player for konqueror? Is there one? |
| 12:11.03 | bluelightning | most likely not |
| 12:11.20 | laboom | Or - better - some browser who can scale down the whole WEB-Site to keep proportions? |
| 12:11.23 | bluelightning | macromedia only give light support to Linux on x86 |
| 12:11.27 | bluelightning | let alone arm |
| 12:11.38 | laboom | OPERA shall do that, my friend has a ZAURUS, there it works. |
| 12:12.03 | bluelightning | laboom: Opera may run on Opie, but you will need to install the oz-compat libs, which may or may not work |
| 12:12.14 | bluelightning | problem is Opera is compiled against old qt libs |
| 12:13.00 | laboom | Meaning what? Will I run into heaviest problems or can I shoot the now installed image? |
| 12:13.23 | bluelightning | I suspect you will have huge frustration trying to get Opera to work |
| 12:13.46 | bluelightning | it's a commercial product built with old qt/qtopia libs and they appear not to be interested in updating it for Opie |
| 12:14.16 | bluelightning | you're welcome to try, but don't say I didn't warn you ;) |
| 12:14.35 | laboom | So I leave that away. I had meanwhile enough troubles. But: HOW do I suspend the ipaq? From "O" -> Suspend it doesn' really work! |
| 12:15.05 | bluelightning | hmm, you are right... damn |
| 12:15.11 | bluelightning | (investigating...) |
| 12:15.48 | laboom | You see, I am a perfect Tester. I run into every particular problem. :-) |
| 12:16.39 | bluelightning | you are certainly a demanding user :) |
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| 12:18.37 | laboom | :) I'll try it with Shutdown. Also VERY strange. The display slowly vanishes, but light stays on, WLAN card is blinking,... A really interesting version of Power-Off. :-) |
| 12:19.13 | bluelightning | I think the ipaq hardware is physically not capable of switching off |
| 12:19.22 | laboom | And now I *must* press the reset button. |
| 12:19.54 | bluelightning | by switching off, I mean powering down... they are designed to suspend and resume |
| 12:20.14 | rage | typical, I'm join an irc channel as a last resort to find the answer to a question and I find the information on the main page of the website :-) |
| 12:20.29 | laboom | Well but the shutdown should - at least turn everything OFF an then change to Suspend, when a poweroff is not working/possible. But what happens here, is not of any use. |
| 12:23.23 | laboom | Any idea on how to get the ipaq sleeping? |
| 12:25.30 | bluelightning | apm -s |
| 12:25.37 | bluelightning | pretty annoying to have to do that, but it works |
| 12:25.49 | bluelightning | I'm currently investigating why the button and menu item don't work |
| 12:30.00 | laboom | Thanks. Another thing: When I tried the GUI-Package manager, it created in the root directory some strange directories. Two of them I could delete hf@..... but there is still one which is very nasty. Its name starts with a blockgraphics-T and ends with a round closing bracket... How to delete this file? |
| 12:30.46 | laboom | Ok. Wildcarding helped... |
| 12:31.07 | laboom | the GUI package-manager seems to be wrotten... |
| 12:31.16 | bluelightning | I will try it out |
| 12:34.04 | laboom | Definitely! After deleting the wrong directories, I started the Package manager again ands made an Update list. Now I got the message: "Updated list of available packages in hf@øw/bbase" --> what's always with this strange hf@ ??? Seems that some var isn't correctly initialized! |
| 12:34.43 | laboom | And now I have (again) such a nasty directory... |
| 12:40.34 | laboom | bluelightning: What is your first name? It's easier to me. |
| 12:40.34 | bluelightning | Paul |
| 12:40.34 | bluelightning | about the only thing is, if you say "bluelightning" in a message then the window flashes red and I'll see it if I'm off doing something else |
| 12:40.34 | bluelightning | but it's up to you |
| 12:40.34 | laboom | Ok, paul. May I name you this way? I just tried out "apm -s" and it works. But why does the iPAQ wake up when I disconnect it from power? |
| 12:40.35 | Lanfear | Sweet, the gigabit switch arrived, something to do during the weekend |
| 12:40.35 | bluelightning | of course you may call me Paul, it's my name :) |
| 12:40.35 | bluelightning | not sure why it would wake up like that though |
| 12:40.38 | roeles | because it causes and interrupt? |
| 12:40.55 | Lanfear | Can't you tell apm to wake up from just specific actions? |
| 12:40.56 | bluelightning | roeles: you're probably right |
| 12:41.10 | roeles | or maybe apm -s doesn't return (yet) and when you disconnect your serial terminal is lost |
| 12:41.15 | laboom | Har-har. :-D I meant if its ok to use your name here... Can I place a link on the desktop to klick "apm -s" this way? |
| 12:41.21 | roeles | causing apm to stop, and the iPaq waking up |
| 12:42.03 | bluelightning | laboom: yep you can... desktop shortcuts are all in /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/ |
| 12:42.21 | bluelightning | just copy an existing one and edit it I would suggest |
| 12:42.26 | laboom | No I am connected to the iPAQ only over WLAN and this is the power only adapter, not the USB+Serial cradle. |
| 12:43.15 | bluelightning | laboom: it still may cause an interrupt |
| 12:43.57 | roeles | hmpf...I want to format my SD card to VFAT again but I have no other reader than my iPaq |
| 12:44.18 | laboom | That's possible, you're right. Where is the desktop stored? /home/root/....? Or otherwhere? |
| 12:45.13 | bluelightning | laboom: /opt/QtPalmtop/apps/ as I said |
| 12:51.02 | laboom | Yes, this works. Thanks. So I will get over the weekend with this setup... |
| 12:51.26 | bluelightning | laboom: cool |
| 12:51.50 | bluelightning | roeles: there's probably a package you can install to get mkdosfs |
| 12:52.11 | laboom | :-D Thanks again for your great help. It must be late night now at you, estimated 02:00 in the morning? |
| 12:53.34 | bluelightning | roeles: package is called dosfstools, just install that |
| 12:53.56 | bluelightning | laboom: yeah, it's 01:54 |
| 12:54.11 | roeles | ah, thanks |
| 12:54.15 | laboom | And still not tired? -- Whow... |
| 12:54.18 | roeles | bluelightning: was looking for vfat/vat |
| 12:54.31 | bluelightning | roeles: mkdosfs will do both |
| 12:54.37 | roeles | bluelightning: thanks! |
| 12:55.21 | bluelightning | laboom: yeah I'm dog tired... helped a friend move house this afternoon... but I want to sort this out :) |
| 12:55.37 | roeles | bluelightning: where you from? |
| 12:56.14 | bluelightning | roeles: well I was born in the UK, but I moved to New Zealand with my family when I was 7 years old, and have lived here ever since |
| 12:56.32 | laboom | Moment: You moved a HOUSE, or did he move into another house? |
| 12:56.32 | roeles | ah, ok |
| 12:57.00 | bluelightning | laboom: moved his stuff to a new house... moving the entire house is actually quite often done over here though |
| 12:57.02 | roeles | bluelightning: UK is nice I suppose |
| 12:57.12 | bluelightning | laboom: I was discussing that very thing today with some of my coworkers |
| 12:57.29 | bluelightning | roeles: not as nice as NZ :) |
| 12:58.00 | bluelightning | laboom: well, maybe not "quite often" but it is not uncommon |
| 12:58.15 | bluelightning | roeles: where are you? |
| 13:00.08 | roeles | bluelightning: netherlands |
| 13:01.52 | roeles | bluelightning: the mmc module loading doesn't seem to work though |
| 13:02.11 | roeles | bluelightning: just reloaded the driver and it says the same as when I insert the card with the module loaded |
| 13:04.02 | bluelightning | roeles: hmm... well there's not a lot I can say, as I have different models here and SD works differently |
| 13:04.49 | roeles | bluelightning: ok |
| 13:05.48 | bluelightning | roeles: you may wish to file a bug report at http://handhelds.org/bugzilla |
| 13:06.19 | roeles | will do |
| 13:07.04 | roeles | hm |
| 13:07.08 | roeles | is posted already |
| 13:07.12 | roeles | http://handhelds.org/~bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1052 |
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| 13:10.10 | laboom | Paul, do you think that I can install other software now, too? (i.e. opie-mediaplayer2) |
| 13:11.02 | roeles | laboom: he's gone.. |
| 13:11.48 | laboom | Oh! A few seconds ago he still was in the list. Thanks for your hint! |
| 13:12.12 | laboom | What will you do this weekend? |
| 13:12.48 | roeles | aircraft maintainance |
| 13:13.12 | laboom | ?! Do you have one, or are you working there? |
| 13:13.35 | roeles | I am member of a local gliding club |
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| 13:14.33 | roeles | wb |
| 13:14.45 | bluelightning | damn mouse died again... must be a kernel bug |
| 13:14.57 | bluelightning | any time I do anything with USB modules on my desktop my mouse dies |
| 13:15.21 | laboom | Great! This was always a dream when I was at school. But I only had some model airplanes. .. |
| 13:16.35 | laboom | I will work at home and prepare the floor for laying tiles. |
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| 13:20.18 | laboom | Nice weekend. Bye! |
| 13:20.29 | bluelightning | cya laboom |
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| 13:43.53 | bluelightning | bedtime, cya all |
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| 16:36.09 | fabian2_de | does anybody knows howto restore wince @ iPAQ? |
| 17:11.21 | roeles | hm |
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| 21:30.46 | Averne | hi |
| 21:31.04 | Averne | is there any ipaq emulator for linux? |
| 22:03.17 | roeles | not that I know of |
| 22:05.49 | roeles | *yawn* |
| 22:05.52 | roeles | bedtime |
| 22:07.27 | Averne | aha |
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