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| 09:19.41 | laboom | bluelightning: Good evening! Something new? |
| 09:20.03 | bluelightning | hi laboom |
| 09:20.07 | bluelightning | yep, new images: |
| 09:20.17 | bluelightning | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.1 |
| 09:21.05 | laboom | Oh! Did I read correct? .../releases/.... ?! :D |
| 09:21.05 | bluelightning | (not quite release time yet, but the images are there... no feeds yet) |
| 09:21.49 | laboom | So there is currently a "final" image, but the feeds have to be built up until 25th? |
| 09:22.04 | bluelightning | yep |
| 09:22.27 | bluelightning | I also don't know what the state of the opie images is, I suspect nobody has tested them yet (which is what I am about to do now) |
| 09:22.50 | laboom | This sounds really *very* good. Should I wait? |
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| 09:23.19 | bluelightning | yeah for best results you should probably wait until the feeds arrive |
| 09:24.29 | laboom | My most important sorrow is: Does all this what we found out in the beta work? Especially the power consumption was extreme, I could not operate the iPAQ from battery. |
| 09:25.07 | laboom | ... without risking that it accidently switches on and never off again... |
| 09:26.04 | bluelightning | I really don't know... I'm about to find out |
| 09:26.11 | bluelightning | I hope so |
| 09:26.45 | laboom | Did you start already? How long will you need until having it installed? |
| 09:27.21 | bluelightning | it's 85% downloaded from hh.org currently :) |
| 09:27.58 | laboom | Whow. So I must be patient, if I like it, or not... ;-) |
| 09:28.15 | bluelightning | I'm afraid so :) |
| 09:28.23 | laboom | :D |
| 09:28.30 | bluelightning | 97% |
| 09:29.08 | laboom | Do you know a supplier for low cost WLAN stuff (antennas, cables, plugs,...)? |
| 09:29.45 | laboom | 98%? |
| 09:30.06 | bluelightning | done |
| 09:30.15 | laboom | Phew - |
| 09:30.28 | laboom | Now comes the moment of trueth... |
| 09:32.03 | laboom | I guess, you currently copy the images onto your CF-Card? |
| 09:33.01 | bluelightning | yep... just going through the flash process now |
| 09:33.58 | laboom | Q: Are you a fan of StarTrek (and do you understand German language)? |
| 09:35.03 | laboom | I have recorded a lot of StarTrek-Enterprise (Captain Archer, not Kirk!), and I have all that on DVD as DivX4 files... |
| 09:35.24 | laboom | ... if you're interested... |
| 09:35.48 | bluelightning | nah it's ok, I have quite a few enterprise episodes here |
| 09:35.50 | bluelightning | thanks though |
| 09:35.59 | bluelightning | I have to say I prefer TNG over all other series |
| 09:36.09 | bluelightning | (all other ST series that is) |
| 09:37.51 | laboom | Yes, it's still much "cooler" as the old Kirk-Series, where I have seen every episode surely tenth of times meanwhile. But this new Enterprise (Archer) plays before Kirk, but is in 16:9, because it is brand new. I love it... |
| 09:39.29 | laboom | What does your iPAQ say? |
| 09:39.41 | bluelightning | it's booting... |
| 09:39.52 | laboom | Sounds good... ;-) |
| 09:41.54 | laboom | When - your estimation - will the feed get up? I guess it will be no good idea to install unstable packages... |
| 09:44.27 | bluelightning | not sure... very soon though |
| 09:45.42 | laboom | Today I will go (with my 21 years old son) to a Linux event. Someone shows how to develop games for Linux... Let's see - When I registered, we were #7+#8... Will be a very private meeting, I guess... ;-) |
| 09:46.03 | laboom | What does your iPAQ? |
| 09:48.23 | bluelightning | looking good so far... suspend/resume works |
| 09:55.59 | laboom | This is excellent news. (I just prepared a coffee...) Could you have a look into GUI-Package-Manager, if it still makes garbage directories? |
| 09:56.14 | bluelightning | unfortunately it does :( |
| 09:56.28 | laboom | Meanwhile I'll start downloading... |
| 09:56.30 | bluelightning | I'm trying to negotiate to get a new image done |
| 09:56.51 | laboom | Shit - What did they wrong here? It already worked in much older versions! |
| 09:56.54 | bluelightning | it's fixable now, but I'd rather people didn't have to do anything like that after install |
| 09:57.01 | bluelightning | laboom: I know :( |
| 10:00.37 | laboom | Well, This is what I cannot really understand. Things that already worked are replaced by faulty ones... :-/ Anyway, as long as the command line version is able to build the tree, I can use the GUI at least as a "browser" for it... |
| 10:01.13 | laboom | What the hell is an install-kit? =8-O |
| 10:04.25 | bluelightning | laboom: to fix it all you need to do once the feeds are up is to install the latest ver of ipkg, and the problem will be fixed (or so I hear) |
| 10:04.48 | bluelightning | an install kit is all the stuff you need to install Familiar (bootldr, image, reflash.ctl, md5sums) |
| 10:05.36 | laboom | Oh <surprise> and what's the files section then? ;-) |
| 10:06.11 | laboom | Currently I'm downloading md5sums & the .jffs2 file... ;-) |
| 10:10.02 | laboom | Besides - hope that this also vanished with this "final" version: I switched on my iPAQ now. CF-Card (SanDisk 32MB + ASUS WL-138 WLAN card + MMC Card 16MB, Sandisk, inside). It showed the OPIE desktop, notified me that it "Ejects" every particular card, then I got a black screen. - dead. -- Any idea? Why doesn't it eject all cards before suspend and only "find" them again at resume? |
| 10:14.01 | bluelightning | I think it does that... it's just that opie-cardmon doesn't pick up the eject until resume |
| 10:14.09 | bluelightning | it's a bit weird |
| 10:14.59 | laboom | So it probably should be given more time to recognize this change? |
| 10:18.47 | laboom | Also something critical: In the files section of the release, you can find "md5sums" and all the files, but *not* the control file which is read by the installer. I had *luck* that I checked twice before erasing my cf-card... :-| |
| 10:19.42 | laboom | My iPAQ just started "programming..." |
| 10:20.49 | laboom | Verifying... |
| 10:21.47 | laboom | Is the "feed" path already set correctly in this release version? |
| 10:22.39 | laboom | 1st boot... |
| 10:23.50 | bluelightning | yes I believe the feed is set up correctly |
| 10:23.58 | bluelightning | but of course the feed is not there yet :) |
| 10:24.28 | laboom | How long does the 1st boot need? Still nothing happens after "booting..." |
| 10:25.39 | laboom | But it starts up... - Yes. it is up... - With absolutely no messages on the screen. |
| 10:26.17 | bluelightning | wait :) |
| 10:27.19 | laboom | What, please, is a "predicted time"? |
| 10:32.48 | bluelightning | if it still hasn't booted by now do a reset I guess |
| 10:34.12 | laboom | bluelightning: Have you ever watched the wlan0/802.11b section? I see randomly a lot of garbage behind my ESS-ID, the display does not really know the widthof the screen (it always varies),... :-/ |
| 10:37.13 | bluelightning | the wifi monitor applet used to do that when it couldn't find a station... I stopped using it though |
| 10:37.31 | bluelightning | is this in the wifi applet or something else? |
| 10:41.05 | laboom | Whow, FIRST BUG! Try out: "O" "logout". You'll wonder, but then you will need ssh from a remote machine to restart opie again... =8-/ |
| 10:42.48 | bluelightning | yep... don't try to use it without opie-login installed |
| 10:43.10 | bluelightning | I've already reported it as a bug (opie-logoutapplet should require opie-login and not be installed by default) |
| 10:43.45 | laboom | Well, the problem with the display is only here: Go to "Network" setup, there select "wifi0" and klick "Start/Stop". Then select the 802.11b tab and watch (and wonder). -- I _am_ connected! :-) |
| 10:44.33 | bluelightning | wifi0? I would recommend leaving wifi0 alone and only use wlan0... if it makes any difference |
| 10:44.36 | laboom | I see my SSID, followed by ÿÖü.... |
| 10:45.13 | laboom | ... does the same, but shows no signal strength... |
| 10:48.12 | laboom | ... seems to be an appendix of wlan0, because when I disable wlan0 (if I get this done at all), I loose the internet connection, even when wifi0 is up. |
| 10:52.58 | bluelightning | yes... wifi0 is a red herring, just ignore it |
| 10:53.13 | bluelightning | don't think that helps your situation though |
| 10:53.20 | bluelightning | anyway I'm trying to sort out the release files here :) |
| 10:54.39 | laboom | Ok -- It is really of absolutely lowest priority to fix this, but it looks awfully... Should be placed on the todos... |
| 10:56.22 | laboom | Now I switched the iPAQ on/off repeatedly. Seems to overlive this procedure without "black screen" now... I also will watch the battery status now. How long does your iPAQ work on battery? |
| 11:00.30 | bluelightning | I haven't really properly tested draining it really |
| 11:02.19 | laboom | It is somewhat "random" Seems that the battery dies while OPIE still thinks it is mostly full sometimes... |
| 11:03.54 | laboom | Well, another "new feature": LIGHT & POWER. I usually configure the backlight to get brighter when the ambient light is bright (to keep visibility). The sensor appears to be inactive, though I enabled it in GUI. |
| 11:05.32 | laboom | My calibration line goes from bottom-left to upper-right for battery mode... |
| 11:07.14 | laboom | So when I cover the sensor with my thumb, the light should normally get darker. -- Oh, after a reboot it suddenly works! ©randomsoft ? =) |
| 11:09.31 | laboom | Will language packs be available? (Would prefer OPIE in German.) As I said, I removed "logout" from launcher now... |
| 11:09.32 | bluelightning | weird |
| 11:10.18 | bluelightning | yeah Opie German language pack should be in the feed once it's up... I would expect the German translation to be the most up-to-date, given that a lot of the devs are German :) |
| 11:12.59 | laboom | Ok, as far as I can say from tis moment, everything installed works (more or less -> wifi0 ;-)) so it is much better that the testing version. Now this must be kept with all the feed's packages, then it looks really good. |
| 11:13.57 | laboom | Hey, there is telnet inside! What a surprise! :-)) |
| 11:14.28 | laboom | ...but the termtype is unknown. :-(( |
| 11:16.09 | laboom | Anyway, when ncurses is installed (or will be installed when I install 'joe') this will hopefully be fixed... |
| 11:16.53 | laboom | But it looks very well for the moment. :-) |
| 11:17.13 | bluelightning | it's definitely an improvement yeah |
| 11:17.58 | laboom | So let's wait for the feed to grow up asap. |
| 11:21.58 | laboom | You said you are sorting out packages --? |
| 11:22.11 | bluelightning | yeah, we're working out the feed structure |
| 11:23.52 | laboom | Only a question of interest: In the testing tree I found two files: One with nothing more than the list of files, and one with a description of every package. Shouldn't the description be displayed together with the pkg-file in ipkg and/or the GUI frontend? |
| 11:26.02 | bluelightning | yeah it should... I'm not sure why ipkg doesn't anymore |
| 11:28.09 | laboom | A suggestion for the battery-icon in the launcher: Currently I can choose between a battery symbol (saying nearly nothing) or a numeric display (not even able to show "100%" without clipping the 100 in the top row to "10"!). |
| 11:29.10 | laboom | Wuld be an idea to remove the "%" from the lower row and paint there the battery icon horizontally and write 3 digits numeric in the upper half. |
| 11:29.53 | laboom | ... again without "%", but with all 3 digits visible. |
| 11:30.00 | laboom | Your opinion? |
| 11:31.18 | bluelightning | I'm not seeing that issue here... |
| 11:31.30 | bluelightning | I would recommend you report it as a bug |
| 11:31.39 | laboom | This area could also get different background colors. Default, yellow and red, depending on the battery status of "normal", "warning", "alert". |
| 11:31.43 | bluelightning | same with the wifi one |
| 11:32.52 | laboom | I had a look into this "bug-reporting tool"... =8-O Could be easier to handle. Do you mean the one on handhelds.org? |
| 11:34.10 | bluelightning | http://opie-bugs.oszine.de |
| 11:37.46 | laboom | I signed up there now. |
| 11:44.48 | laboom | bluelightning: I subscribed, I also entered a password, but I cannot login! what's wrong? |
| 11:45.24 | bluelightning | not sure... I can get in |
| 11:45.39 | laboom | (I entered "Rainer Hantsch" as Username. Maybe this is wrong? |
| 11:46.13 | laboom | I signed in with this user name, and I also got the mail... |
| 11:46.43 | laboom | ...when I clicked "lost password". |
| 11:47.06 | bluelightning | I don't have admin access to the bug tracker so I can't really check anything I'm afraid |
| 11:47.45 | laboom | I get the following: "Your account may be disabled or blocked or the username/password you entered is incorrect." |
| 11:48.05 | laboom | Close to Windows-Message: "A problem has occured." |
| 11:58.31 | bluelightning | maybe try creating an account with no space in the name... |
| 11:59.05 | laboom | I did so, no difference. I get no notification at all! =8-/ |
| 12:01.52 | bluelightning | perhaps you could email Andreas Richter <ar@oszine.de> (he's the bug tracker admin) |
| 12:02.40 | laboom | I'll do so. Thanks. It's not such urgent that I will die without it... |
| 12:06.19 | laboom | Good night, bluelightning... (isn't it 1:00 in the night? :-) |
| 12:07.23 | bluelightning | yes it is... I am looking forward to going to bed |
| 12:07.35 | laboom | Bye. |
| 12:07.37 | bluelightning | cya |
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| 15:07.43 | Cockroach- | Does gnomevfs work in familiar? |
| 15:07.54 | Cockroach- | Should it, that is |
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| 20:46.55 | kernelpanic | hi every one |
| 20:47.16 | kernelpanic | can talk to someone ? |
| 20:47.25 | kernelpanic | he ho |
| 20:48.29 | kernelpanic | is there any body ? |
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| 21:43.16 | gibbon_ | how may i serve you? |
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