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| 05:38.38 | sage | hi |
| 05:40.02 | bluelightning | hi sage |
| 05:42.40 | sage | At installation Linux, IMHO, has removed the loader (hp h5550) how it(him) to restore? http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/SUC30005.rar |
| 05:42.44 | sage | http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/trabl.JPG |
| 05:43.34 | sage | Screen and video - inclusion of the pocket personal computer. |
| 05:43.35 | bluelightning | sage: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RestoringPocketPc |
| 05:43.42 | sage | ok |
| 05:43.51 | bluelightning | part-way down there are instructions about restoring the bootloader |
| 05:44.34 | bluelightning | apparently you can also use bootblaster to reload the backed-up wince bootloader but I haven't ever done that |
| 05:45.46 | sage | I badly understand English, you want to tell there is a program bootblaster which can to restore the loader on h5550? |
| 05:46.27 | bluelightning | yes, it is the same program used when you install Linux |
| 05:46.39 | bluelightning | I have not tried using it to restore the wince bootloader though |
| 05:47.37 | bluelightning | you must restore PocketPC first however, before you can reinstall the original bootloader |
| 05:47.48 | sage | There is a version bootbalster for windows? |
| 05:48.00 | bluelightning | bootblaster runs on PocketPC / WinCE yes |
| 05:48.26 | sage | Well... ((( |
| 05:48.52 | sage | And how to me then to restore the loader? |
| 05:51.11 | bluelightning | 1. If the handhelds.org bootloader (used for Linux) is working, restore PocketPC using the instructions here: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/RestoringPocketPc |
| 05:51.33 | bluelightning | Then you can restore the bootloader also using instructions on that page |
| 05:51.37 | sage | no... |
| 05:52.16 | sage | At inclusion PocketPC flashes the screen and all... |
| 05:52.42 | sage | Look: http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/SUC30005.rar http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/trabl.JPG |
| 05:54.55 | bluelightning | try a hard reset, or if that does not work, remove the battery for 30 minutes and then put it back in |
| 05:55.49 | sage | Already did(made) ( |
| 05:58.23 | bluelightning | I do not own an h5550, perhaps someone else could help you |
| 05:59.47 | sage | It is possible to restore the loader if the device is not included? |
| 06:02.43 | bluelightning | what do you mean by "included"? |
| 06:03.39 | sage | Does not work |
| 06:04.09 | bluelightning | if the unit is broken, no, of course not... |
| 06:04.26 | bluelightning | to restore anything the handhelds.org boot loader must be accessible |
| 06:05.25 | sage | But it(he) is not accessible! |
| 06:06.05 | bluelightning | what did you do before this happened? |
| 06:11.34 | sage | Tried to establish Linux. there was copying WinCE, then on the screen of the device the program which has appeared changes an insertion, and there were two buttons: the first should be pressed (so it was written in the instruction), I pressed PPC vibrated also nothing occured, then I have pressed the second button (about it(her) in the instruction of nothing was, on it(her) it was written, IMHO, erase flash) I and have pressed her(it), then the device was in do |
| 06:20.35 | sage | ((( |
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| 06:23.04 | sage_ | What to me to do??? |
| 06:25.44 | bluelightning | I'm sorry, but I don't really understand your description of what happened |
| 06:28.05 | sage | To put it briefly, at installation Linux the window with a question has appeared: " What to do(make)? " And two buttons: to rewrite FLASH and TO ERASE FLASH. By pressing first nothing occured... And on the second... |
| 06:28.52 | sage | When pressed the first button the device vibrated |
| 06:30.35 | sage | Understandably? |
| 06:32.05 | sage | It was some months ago, therefore the name of buttons can differ... |
| 06:34.42 | sage | xmmm |
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| 06:39.08 | jjg | hi all |
| 06:39.20 | jjg | anyone using J2ME CDC ? |
| 06:40.02 | sage | jjg> hi |
| 06:40.10 | jjg | hi sage |
| 06:50.02 | bluelightning | sage: that does not sound like any program I have ever used in the installation of Linux... bootblaster does not have two buttons like that |
| 06:50.14 | bluelightning | I suspect you have bricked your device |
| 06:51.22 | sage | You know as to establish the loader? |
| 06:52.21 | jjg | can someone paste in the URL to the code base for familiar..can't rememver offhand |
| 07:01.11 | jjg | is anyone doing NFS mounts for development? |
| 07:02.05 | jjg | cause the HD space on this 5550 is ridiculous, someone at HP should be beaten with ...hm |
| 07:02.11 | jjg | something hard and painful |
| 07:02.20 | sage | чь |
| 07:02.21 | jjg | and sharp |
| 07:02.47 | jjg | sage...dint see your comment due to my color scheme...lemme cange colors |
| 07:03.03 | Lanfear | You mean like a chainsaw? |
| 07:03.08 | sage | I badly understand English, explain "easier" that you have told |
| 07:03.59 | jjg | sage : the engineer that decided on the harddrive space for the H5550 should be beaten with a chainsaw :^D |
| 07:04.21 | jjg | lessee, i think i can simplify that too |
| 07:04.37 | jjg | the drive space on the ipaq is terrible |
| 07:04.51 | sage | jjg> Yes, certainly =) |
| 07:05.12 | sage | Also what to me to do(make)? ( |
| 07:05.34 | jjg | ? |
| 07:05.42 | jjg | what is your native language? |
| 07:05.48 | jjg | maybe i know it |
| 07:05.52 | sage | russian |
| 07:05.55 | jjg | nope |
| 07:05.59 | jjg | oh well |
| 07:06.18 | sage | How to force to work the device??? |
| 07:06.24 | jjg | yah...really, what can you do? right? |
| 07:06.35 | jjg | chainsaw? |
| 07:07.00 | jjg | http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:QJVfK34DHeYJ:www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/1457/chainsaw.jpg |
| 07:07.05 | sage | And if joking apart? |
| 07:07.12 | jjg | what is the problem? |
| 07:07.26 | sage | At installation Linux, IMHO, has removed the loader (hp h5550) how it(him) to restore? http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/SUC30005.rar http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/trabl.JPG |
| 07:07.33 | jjg | Lanfear : you like the pic? |
| 07:07.34 | jjg | heh |
| 07:08.32 | jjg | try this |
| 07:08.57 | sage | what? |
| 07:08.59 | jjg | hold down the center button while pressing the reset button on the bottom with your stylus |
| 07:09.19 | jjg | mine was doing the same thing after the battery radined |
| 07:09.21 | jjg | drained |
| 07:09.29 | sage | Give the reference on some popular a forum about PPC... |
| 07:10.01 | jjg | PPC? |
| 07:10.08 | sage | pocketPC |
| 07:10.22 | jjg | well, you are using familiar right? |
| 07:11.04 | sage | i'm used... |
| 07:11.08 | jjg | hey sage! did you try resetting the ipaq? |
| 07:11.22 | sage | yes |
| 07:11.27 | sage | hard-reset... |
| 07:11.29 | jjg | like i recommended? |
| 07:11.54 | jjg | you are using familiar? |
| 07:12.04 | jjg | and what's that RAR file all about up above? |
| 07:12.15 | sage | I have not understood that it is necessary to do(make) with the battery |
| 07:12.32 | Lanfear | jjg: I was more soft of referring to the text found in the Linux-kernel a few years ago, in the arch/sparc/kernel/ptrace.c |
| 07:12.57 | jjg | i'll take a look in just a sec ;) |
| 07:13.07 | jjg | hey sage |
| 07:13.09 | jjg | you ther? |
| 07:13.13 | sage | rar - archive, in it(him) video a roller (~50kb) |
| 07:13.21 | jjg | can you type a bit faster? |
| 07:13.36 | jjg | or is it your connection? |
| 07:13.45 | jjg | cause that img loaded very slowly |
| 07:13.49 | jjg | http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/trabl.JPG |
| 07:13.59 | Lanfear | Sweet, seems I got the 8/1 ADSL connection working |
| 07:14.03 | sage | ... |
| 07:14.11 | jjg | faster faster |
| 07:14.20 | jjg | so you are using familiar right? |
| 07:14.30 | jjg | you are using familiar linux? |
| 07:14.46 | sage | At inclusion the screen of the device flashes... ( |
| 07:15.19 | sage | I tried уставновить Linux, but have removed the loader, IMHO |
| 07:15.30 | sage | I tried to establish Linux, but have removed the loader, IMHO |
| 07:15.33 | jjg | ok |
| 07:15.44 | jjg | what do you want to do? |
| 07:16.09 | sage | To restore the device! |
| 07:16.21 | jjg | to what operating system? |
| 07:16.33 | sage | PPC it is not included! |
| 07:16.56 | jjg | you need CDROMs for Windows CE |
| 07:17.01 | jjg | that is not available here |
| 07:17.04 | sage | Was WinCE, tried to establish Linux Fam... |
| 07:17.46 | sage | What for CD - ROm? |
| 07:17.50 | jjg | but you want WinCE or Linux? |
| 07:18.17 | sage | Even something! |
| 07:18.23 | jjg | pick one |
| 07:18.35 | jjg | choose one i mean |
| 07:18.39 | sage | linux |
| 07:18.43 | jjg | ok great |
| 07:18.48 | jjg | you are in the right forum!! |
| 07:18.51 | jjg | now |
| 07:19.08 | jjg | do you understand that? |
| 07:19.17 | jjg | that this is the correct forum for linux on PPC |
| 07:19.36 | jjg | i can help you |
| 07:19.36 | sage | ??? |
| 07:19.39 | sage | ok |
| 07:19.42 | jjg | ok |
| 07:20.05 | jjg | what OS are you running on your host machien ( not IPAQ ) |
| 07:20.27 | sage | I shall repeat, ppc it is not included at all, even at connection to HyperTerminal does not appear boot > |
| 07:20.34 | sage | winXP sp2 |
| 07:20.46 | sage | and SuSe 9.2 |
| 07:20.55 | jjg | ok, just choose one |
| 07:20.56 | sage | winXp sp2 - now loaded |
| 07:20.59 | jjg | ok |
| 07:21.01 | sage | winXp |
| 07:21.03 | jjg | ok |
| 07:21.08 | jjg | you are in Ru? |
| 07:21.13 | sage | yes |
| 07:21.18 | jjg | what kind of connection? |
| 07:21.29 | jjg | dialup or broadband? |
| 07:21.30 | sage | now, 56k |
| 07:21.31 | jjg | ok |
| 07:21.35 | sage | dialup |
| 07:21.37 | jjg | sry, i'll slow down |
| 07:21.44 | jjg | :) |
| 07:21.46 | jjg | ok? |
| 07:21.56 | sage | ok |
| 07:22.06 | jjg | you know vodka? that is why i'm fast ;) |
| 07:22.12 | jjg | right now |
| 07:22.22 | jjg | so |
| 07:22.44 | jjg | you have installed familiar today? |
| 07:23.20 | sage | At me time кончаеться... It is possible(probable) disconnetct, интернет will be in 12 hours |
| 07:23.32 | sage | no |
| 07:23.49 | jjg | i don't understand |
| 07:23.54 | sage | 3 Month ago |
| 07:23.55 | sage | ~ |
| 07:23.58 | jjg | ok |
| 07:24.13 | jjg | are you using a translation program? |
| 07:24.16 | sage | Now ppc it is pure(clean)! |
| 07:24.31 | sage | In part |
| 07:24.35 | jjg | hm |
| 07:24.38 | jjg | what program? |
| 07:24.46 | sage | X-translator |
| 07:24.49 | jjg | hm |
| 07:24.57 | sage | Time... |
| 07:25.00 | jjg | ? |
| 07:25.04 | Lanfear | No wonder your text seemed a bit cryptic |
| 07:25.16 | jjg | yah, specially the () |
| 07:25.28 | sage | =) |
| 07:25.31 | jjg | :) |
| 07:25.38 | jjg | we will make it work! |
| 07:25.41 | sage | It is possible faster??? |
| 07:25.45 | jjg | viva the network!!!! |
| 07:25.51 | jjg | no you are ok |
| 07:26.03 | Lanfear | But you understand what we write, or do you need translation for that too? I'm just asking so we can try avoid words which the program does not know or misinterpret |
| 07:26.09 | jjg | right |
| 07:26.27 | sage | I understand |
| 07:26.27 | jjg | are you using X-translator for speaking or understanding our speech? |
| 07:27.06 | sage | For conversation, and it is rare for understanding |
| 07:27.36 | sage | Let's make it quickly!? |
| 07:27.44 | jjg | ? |
| 07:27.50 | jjg | are you in a hurry? |
| 07:28.03 | Lanfear | It seems his connection will be terminated soon |
| 07:28.19 | sage | At me time now to be terminated! |
| 07:28.38 | sage | yes, yes, yes |
| 07:28.49 | jjg | can you reconnect? |
| 07:29.12 | sage | yes In 12 hours |
| 07:29.19 | jjg | ha! |
| 07:29.24 | jjg | well, id' say we have time |
| 07:29.26 | jjg | :) |
| 07:29.30 | jjg | hours? |
| 07:29.33 | jjg | or minutes? |
| 07:29.35 | Lanfear | So you installed the Familiar linux 3 months ago and after having flashed the device it only showed the white screen as in the image you pasted? |
| 07:29.40 | sage | hours!!! |
| 07:29.40 | jjg | :) |
| 07:29.42 | jjg | ok |
| 07:29.47 | jjg | then i'd say you are good |
| 07:29.51 | jjg | you have time |
| 07:29.54 | jjg | do you understand? |
| 07:29.58 | sage | yes |
| 07:30.00 | jjg | ok |
| 07:30.02 | jjg | relax |
| 07:30.15 | jjg | i'm relaxing |
| 07:30.17 | jjg | heh |
| 07:30.18 | jjg | ok |
| 07:30.37 | Lanfear | (unless he needs to download big stuff, might take a while with that connection) |
| 07:31.08 | jjg | if you cannot connect via the bootloader with hyperterminal, then you don't have the correct settings |
| 07:31.13 | sage | Yes is exact, tell that it is necessary to load! |
| 07:31.15 | jjg | for hyperterminal |
| 07:31.23 | jjg | ok fine |
| 07:31.35 | jjg | then post your hyperterminal settings |
| 07:31.42 | jjg | have you ever installed familiar before? |
| 07:31.54 | jjg | are you sure that your hyperterminal settings are correct? |
| 07:32.27 | sage | 115200/8/no/1/no |
| 07:32.53 | sage | jjg> have you ever installed familiar before? - no |
| 07:33.02 | jjg | if your hyperterm settings are ok, then it sounds like your bootloader is not installed ( although it seems like it is ) or you are not connected to the device via serial connection properly |
| 07:33.15 | jjg | did you install the bootloader? |
| 07:33.25 | jjg | sage : did you install the bootloader? |
| 07:33.31 | sage | com1.. |
| 07:33.57 | sage | Yes, but I seem it(him) have erased... |
| 07:34.07 | jjg | then reinstall it |
| 07:34.13 | sage | how? |
| 07:34.19 | jjg | it only takes a few minutes |
| 07:34.37 | jjg | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.0/install/ |
| 07:34.46 | jjg | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.0/install/bootldr.html |
| 07:34.55 | jjg | did you do that? |
| 07:35.01 | jjg | do you know the website? |
| 07:35.05 | sage | For the sake of it I spent money on inet during 3 months! |
| 07:35.31 | sage | Install new bootldr -- When running Pocket PC. |
| 07:35.40 | sage | i have not running PPC! |
| 07:36.05 | jjg | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.0/install/bootldr-ftpd.html |
| 07:36.08 | jjg | do it like this |
| 07:36.15 | jjg | ok |
| 07:36.17 | sage | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.1/install/ - |
| 07:36.19 | jjg | yo udon't have ppc |
| 07:36.19 | jjg | ok |
| 07:36.42 | jjg | troubleshoot your serial connection |
| 07:37.03 | sage | i have ppp, but it not runing |
| 07:37.06 | jjg | i think your bootloader is fine cause mine white screened just a sec ago |
| 07:37.08 | sage | ppc |
| 07:37.13 | jjg | you don't have a serial connection? |
| 07:37.29 | jjg | and it had been in the car for a few weeks |
| 07:37.39 | jjg | sage : do you have a serial connection to the cradle? |
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| 07:37.42 | jjg | RS-232 |
| 07:37.46 | sage | yes |
| 07:38.21 | jjg | have you used hyperterm before? |
| 07:38.37 | sage | yes |
| 07:39.06 | jjg | ok |
| 07:39.24 | jjg | did you check your connections between the PC and the cradle? |
| 07:40.12 | jjg | and the ipaq and the cradle |
| 07:40.27 | sage | how??? but if connect to usb - winXP: find new device |
| 07:40.52 | sage | But then winXP: the device is not known! |
| 07:41.02 | jjg | do you have a serial cable for the cradle? |
| 07:41.11 | sage | jjg> do you have a serial cable for the cradle? -yes |
| 07:41.26 | jjg | use that instead |
| 07:41.31 | jjg | don't use the USb |
| 07:42.01 | sage | I use com-port |
| 07:42.19 | jjg | don't use usb! |
| 07:42.24 | jjg | use the com port |
| 07:42.25 | jjg | ok? |
| 07:42.38 | jjg | http://support.gateway.com/s/Manuals/Desktops/8508947/images/15.jpg |
| 07:42.39 | sage | ok, ok |
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| 07:42.45 | jjg | ok? |
| 07:43.08 | jjg | were you using usb? |
| 07:43.26 | sage | Yes, certainly! |
| 07:43.27 | sage | jjg> http://support.gateway.com/s/Manuals/Desktops/8508947/images/15.jpg - Yes, certainly! |
| 07:43.30 | jjg | ok |
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| 07:43.43 | jjg | why did you usb? |
| 07:43.47 | jjg | i don't understand? |
| 07:43.53 | jjg | why did you say usb? |
| 07:44.15 | jjg | do you have a digital camera? |
| 07:44.25 | sage | ... I USE COM-PORT, I TRIED CONNECT TO USB! |
| 07:44.26 | jjg | take a pic of your setup and post it if you can |
| 07:44.28 | jjg | ok |
| 07:44.29 | jjg | don't do that |
| 07:44.46 | jjg | is hyperterm open? |
| 07:44.59 | sage | yes |
| 07:45.03 | sage | BUT |
| 07:45.09 | sage | modem used com-port |
| 07:45.17 | jjg | ok |
| 07:45.20 | sage | i have 1 comport |
| 07:45.32 | Lanfear | Thats a hitch |
| 07:45.32 | jjg | change the settings in hyperterm to use com1 |
| 07:45.36 | jjg | instead of com0 |
| 07:45.42 | sage | ? |
| 07:45.43 | jjg | your modem is using com0 |
| 07:45.53 | jjg | open the settings in hyperterm |
| 07:45.53 | sage | com1 |
| 07:45.58 | jjg | ? |
| 07:46.31 | sage | jjg> your modem is using com0 - Excuse, but I not the child! |
| 07:46.38 | sage | jjg> open the settings in hyperterm - ok |
| 07:46.51 | jjg | change the hyperterm to use com1 |
| 07:46.57 | jjg | i don't think you are a child!!!!! |
| 07:46.59 | sage | ok |
| 07:47.01 | jjg | i need the info |
| 07:48.26 | sage | hlrally.narod.ru/files/hp.jpg |
| 07:48.49 | jjg | dloading now |
| 07:49.25 | jjg | are you downloading something right now? |
| 07:49.30 | sage | yes |
| 07:50.09 | jjg | can you stop? |
| 07:50.13 | jjg | for a minute? |
| 07:50.27 | jjg | i'm on a T1 and can barely pull the img |
| 07:50.32 | Lanfear | sage: Your modem is an external which is connected to the one and only serial port on your computer? |
| 07:51.22 | sage | hlrally.narod.ru/files/hp2.jpg - 50% |
| 07:51.32 | jjg | ? |
| 07:52.12 | jjg | i can't help you |
| 07:52.14 | sage | Your modem is an external which is connected to the one and only serial port on your computer? - yes |
| 07:52.15 | jjg | it's taking too long |
| 07:52.25 | jjg | how are you connecting to the cradle!? |
| 07:52.55 | sage | http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/hp2.JPG - 100% |
| 07:53.03 | sage | now, no |
| 07:54.02 | jjg | well |
| 07:54.03 | sage | how are you connecting to the cradle!? - com-port 1 |
| 07:54.05 | jjg | i dunno |
| 07:54.29 | sage | jjg> i dunno - what is it? dunno... |
| 07:55.43 | jjg | dunno == don't know |
| 07:55.47 | sage | xmmm |
| 07:56.02 | jjg | your desktop screeshot is taking long time to load |
| 07:56.12 | jjg | i'm only seeing the taskbar |
| 07:56.49 | jjg | sage: is your cradle connected to the PC? |
| 07:57.10 | sage | task bar??? it is down... |
| 07:57.57 | jjg | sage : is your Ipaq cradle connected to the serial port on your PC NOW? |
| 07:57.59 | sage | Now, no |
| 07:58.09 | jjg | then i can't help you |
| 07:58.27 | sage | no |
| 07:58.48 | sage | com1 - now using modem |
| 07:59.11 | sage | Tell what to do(make)? I shall make it later! |
| 07:59.21 | Lanfear | Pity your computer does not have 2 serial ports |
| 07:59.22 | jjg | you need to plug in the cradle and type "boot" at the terminal once you are connected with hypertermn |
| 07:59.42 | jjg | sage : did you have famliar running before? |
| 08:00.24 | sage | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:00.56 | jjg | then download the html pages from the website |
| 08:01.09 | jjg | and plug in the cradle and follow the directions |
| 08:01.14 | jjg | do you understand? |
| 08:01.32 | sage | ok |
| 08:01.48 | jjg | then you really don't have a problem |
| 08:01.51 | jjg | do you understand? |
| 08:02.09 | jjg | you have not followed the documentation |
| 08:02.10 | sage | You want to tell if there is no loader that will work all the same? |
| 08:02.19 | jjg | no |
| 08:02.24 | jjg | i want you to install familiar |
| 08:02.38 | jjg | follow the instructions on the website |
| 08:02.51 | sage | I.e. there will be an opportunity to establish the loader? |
| 08:03.06 | sage | jjg> do you understand? - IMHO yes |
| 08:03.09 | jjg | yes |
| 08:03.12 | jjg | read the html |
| 08:03.21 | jjg | you have not finished the installation procedure |
| 08:03.28 | jjg | you have only installed the bootloader |
| 08:03.31 | jjg | right? |
| 08:03.43 | jjg | you said you installed the bootloader |
| 08:03.52 | jjg | you said you did not install familiar |
| 08:04.00 | jjg | therefore, you did not install familiar |
| 08:04.07 | jjg | do you understand |
| 08:04.10 | sage | But like if there is no loader is not present and boot > |
| 08:04.24 | jjg | then reload the bootloader |
| 08:04.47 | sage | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:05.01 | sage | !!! |
| 08:05.07 | jjg | jesus |
| 08:05.38 | Lanfear | sage: You do understand what it takes to install the bootloader? |
| 08:06.03 | sage | ? |
| 08:06.08 | jjg | sage |
| 08:06.13 | jjg | read the documentation |
| 08:06.20 | jjg | you are wasting my time |
| 08:06.22 | sage | no |
| 08:06.49 | sage | I have understood, only how to establish linux Fam... |
| 08:07.00 | jjg | how to establish? |
| 08:07.02 | jjg | what does that mean? |
| 08:07.06 | jjg | establish? |
| 08:07.21 | sage | I can not find this documentation anywhere! |
| 08:07.28 | jjg | i gave it to you |
| 08:07.36 | Lanfear | Yoi mean install? |
| 08:07.44 | sage | yes, bootloader |
| 08:08.07 | sage | if PPC do not work |
| 08:08.19 | jjg | Lanfear needs to stop thinkingthat he needs a wordbook and tell sage to get a wordbook |
| 08:08.53 | sage | ... |
| 08:08.53 | Lanfear | He has one, it's not just very good at reading minds |
| 08:09.03 | jjg | sage : do you have another computer ? |
| 08:09.26 | jjg | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.0/install/bootldr.html |
| 08:09.34 | sage | HOW TO ESTABLISH the LOADER if ppc does not submit attributes of life? |
| 08:09.45 | jjg | reload WinCE |
| 08:09.48 | sage | jjg> notebook |
| 08:10.01 | jjg | sage : ANOTHER notebook? |
| 08:10.01 | sage | jjg> it not have com port |
| 08:10.19 | jjg | can you get a usb based modem? |
| 08:10.20 | sage | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.0/install/bootldr.html - if ppc working!!!!! |
| 08:10.21 | Lanfear | Sage: That sentence was quite garbled |
| 08:10.34 | jjg | does your notebook have an internal modem? |
| 08:10.36 | sage | jjg> I HAVE NOT WORKING ppc! |
| 08:10.37 | bluelightning | sage: may I suggest you find someone who understands both english and russian who can help you |
| 08:10.54 | sage | jjg> yes |
| 08:10.58 | Lanfear | That could be more fruitful |
| 08:11.07 | jjg | sage : use the notebook for internet |
| 08:11.13 | jjg | sage : use the PC for Ipaq |
| 08:11.16 | sage | jjg> yes |
| 08:11.43 | jjg | and change your name to not-sage ;) |
| 08:11.45 | jjg | jk |
| 08:12.24 | sage | http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/SUC30005.rar - see video! `50kb! |
| 08:12.36 | jjg | or maybe...sage-in_training |
| 08:13.27 | jjg | sage : why are you sending rar files? |
| 08:13.45 | jjg | sage, come on now i was just teasing |
| 08:13.55 | jjg | sage in english means "wise man" |
| 08:13.57 | jjg | haha |
| 08:14.18 | jjg | http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sage&x=0&y=0 |
| 08:14.19 | sage | jjg> arhive |
| 08:14.22 | jjg | i know |
| 08:14.27 | jjg | but don't send those to me |
| 08:14.28 | jjg | i |
| 08:14.39 | jjg | i'm not going to open a rar file from a guy i don' tknow |
| 08:15.11 | sage | i know iT!!! |
| 08:15.19 | jjg | sage : did you set up the notebook for internet yet? |
| 08:15.40 | sage | ??? |
| 08:15.48 | sage | why? |
| 08:16.04 | sage | no |
| 08:16.12 | jjg | cause you aren't gonna get ipaq working and talking to us at the same time it seems |
| 08:17.22 | sage | why? |
| 08:17.58 | sage | http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/SUC30005.MOV - see video! `50kb! |
| 08:18.05 | jjg | cause don't you need to atleast TEST that the bootloader isn't wokring? |
| 08:18.10 | jjg | i see i see |
| 08:18.13 | sage | http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/SUC30005.MOV - see video! `55kb! |
| 08:18.13 | jjg | a white screen |
| 08:18.15 | jjg | thanks for that |
| 08:18.19 | jjg | now |
| 08:18.28 | jjg | how about actually connecting the ipaq to something |
| 08:18.29 | jjg | ? |
| 08:18.30 | jjg | ok? |
| 08:18.57 | sage | It does not work!!! |
| 08:19.28 | sage | I 1000 times connected it! |
| 08:19.31 | jjg | how do you know? have you connected the hyperterm to it? |
| 08:19.31 | jjg | ah |
| 08:19.41 | jjg | well, maybe you should've said that about 30 minutes ago |
| 08:19.42 | sage | jjg> yes |
| 08:19.51 | sage | jjg> yes, i read how-to... |
| 08:20.51 | sage | How still it is possible to learn(find out), what the loader works? |
| 08:21.02 | jjg | connect with hyperterm |
| 08:21.04 | jjg | it will say |
| 08:21.06 | jjg | boot > |
| 08:21.13 | jjg | and yes, you've said that it doesn't say that |
| 08:21.16 | jjg | so |
| 08:21.26 | jjg | sounds like your ipaq is currently a brick |
| 08:21.29 | jjg | so |
| 08:21.39 | jjg | i'd suggest reinstalling wince |
| 08:21.41 | jjg | ok? |
| 08:21.44 | sage | boot > - i not have it!!! |
| 08:21.44 | jjg | and try again |
| 08:21.48 | jjg | like i said |
| 08:21.58 | jjg | you said that it doesn't say boot > |
| 08:22.01 | jjg | so |
| 08:22.06 | jjg | id' suggest reinstalling wince |
| 08:22.09 | jjg | and starting over |
| 08:22.16 | jjg | it takes, ohh about 5 minutes |
| 08:22.33 | sage | you see video? |
| 08:22.39 | jjg | the white screen? |
| 08:22.44 | sage | yes |
| 08:22.52 | jjg | no i would never open a rar from you, but Lanfear told me what it was |
| 08:23.07 | sage | http://hlrally.narod.ru/files/SUC30005.MOV - see video! `55kb! |
| 08:23.13 | jjg | thanks for the link |
| 08:23.14 | jjg | ! |
| 08:23.19 | jjg | ok |
| 08:23.22 | jjg | a mov? |
| 08:23.27 | jjg | the white screen? |
| 08:23.30 | sage | yes |
| 08:23.33 | jjg | great |
| 08:23.34 | sage | QuickTime |
| 08:23.36 | jjg | don't need to see it now |
| 08:23.37 | sage | yes |
| 08:23.41 | jjg | so |
| 08:23.44 | jjg | like i said again |
| 08:23.47 | jjg | reinstall wince |
| 08:23.56 | jjg | i'm not watching your mov |
| 08:24.04 | jjg | i don't care what format you transcode it into |
| 08:24.25 | jjg | do you understand? |
| 08:24.25 | sage | how??? reinstall winCE??? bootldr - do not work!!! |
| 08:24.32 | sage | no |
| 08:24.33 | jjg | user the fucking wince cdrom |
| 08:24.47 | jjg | do you understand that? |
| 08:24.53 | jjg | cdrom? |
| 08:24.54 | jjg | wince? |
| 08:24.56 | jjg | install? |
| 08:25.52 | sage | gm... cdrom... with h5550 two cdrom - first - ActiveSynce second - progs from HP |
| 08:26.04 | jjg | yah, now you are on the right track!!!! |
| 08:26.06 | sage | i not have cd-rom with WInCE |
| 08:26.24 | jjg | do you have some documentation? |
| 08:26.39 | jjg | did you buy the unit? |
| 08:26.42 | sage | About what? |
| 08:26.45 | jjg | how did you obtain the unit? |
| 08:26.53 | jjg | did it come in a box? |
| 08:26.56 | sage | jjg> did you buy the unit? - yes |
| 08:26.56 | jjg | with cdroms? |
| 08:27.06 | jjg | then there is documentation on how to restore the device |
| 08:27.08 | sage | yes |
| 08:27.16 | jjg | good luck |
| 08:27.28 | sage | jjg> then there is documentation on how to restore the device - no! |
| 08:27.35 | sage | ( |
| 08:27.36 | jjg | ok, try this |
| 08:27.49 | jjg | install activesync |
| 08:28.01 | sage | ok |
| 08:28.29 | sage | It does not find the device neither on com1, nor on usb! |
| 08:28.37 | jjg | did you backup your wince image when you installed the bootloader? |
| 08:29.34 | jjg | sage? |
| 08:29.37 | jjg | i'm leavig |
| 08:29.43 | jjg | do yo uhave any other questions? |
| 08:29.54 | jjg | i think bluelightning said he was going to help you |
| 08:30.01 | jjg | Lanfear too |
| 08:30.11 | Lanfear | Might try |
| 08:30.31 | sage | jjg> did you backup your wince image when you installed the bootloader? - yes... but i deleted it... Casually |
| 08:30.37 | jjg | ok ...Lanfear? ...this is what i've beenable to figure out... |
| 08:30.44 | jjg | sage... |
| 08:30.47 | jjg | he has an ipaq |
| 08:30.57 | jjg | he has two cdroms |
| 08:31.04 | jjg | one is activesync |
| 08:31.07 | jjg | the other, drivers |
| 08:31.16 | jjg | he hasn't installed the bootloader |
| 08:31.23 | sage | All right guys, you I shall not torment, tell links to forums. |
| 08:31.23 | jjg | but his ipaq doesn't work |
| 08:31.39 | jjg | no sage...we are gonn atry and help |
| 08:31.52 | jjg | don't know why exactly his ipaq doesn't work...he didnt' say |
| 08:31.55 | jjg | just a white screen |
| 08:32.06 | jjg | he DOES, however, have a quicktime of the screen |
| 08:32.10 | jjg | which is VERY helpful |
| 08:32.20 | jjg | now |
| 08:32.26 | jjg | he can't attach the ipaq |
| 08:32.35 | jjg | and he only has about 11 more hours to get this done |
| 08:32.39 | jjg | so |
| 08:32.44 | Lanfear | Well there is not much I can do, the device I installed is at work and I'm working at home today. But it is very odd that there would not be a reinstallation procedure on the CDs |
| 08:32.47 | jjg | between now and then |
| 08:32.50 | sage | ??? |
| 08:33.06 | jjg | you guys have to figure out how to get him to install his ipaq while talking to you at the same time |
| 08:33.09 | jjg | and also |
| 08:33.18 | jjg | to figure out just what he did to get it that way |
| 08:33.20 | jjg | oh ya |
| 08:33.51 | sage | Easier can load that that it is necessary from inet? |
| 08:33.54 | jjg | he's a little particular about the way questions are asked, so ...hmm...just think real hard about what he's thinking before you ask the questions |
| 08:34.16 | Lanfear | Good grief man, you're using sarcasm! |
| 08:34.26 | jjg | and any questions you can figure out via ESP is helpful |
| 08:34.29 | jjg | and |
| 08:34.39 | jjg | hm |
| 08:34.45 | jjg | i think thas all |
| 08:34.51 | Lanfear | Too much vodka? |
| 08:35.12 | jjg | yes |
| 08:35.15 | jjg | you could say that |
| 08:35.20 | jjg | oh me? |
| 08:35.27 | jjg | no, not drinking here |
| 08:35.31 | jjg | ;) |
| 08:35.38 | jjg | ok, well, i really did try |
| 08:38.15 | Lanfear | sage: While I'm browsing the net here, could you please check the manuals once more for any clues. As I stated, the h5550 I've used is at work as well as the documentation so I'm unable to check them |
| 08:38.51 | jjg_zzz | how about just popping in a cdrom and looking at the options |
| 08:38.56 | jjg_zzz | ok i'm really going to sleep now |
| 08:38.58 | Lanfear | Indeed |
| 08:39.25 | Lanfear | Oh great, now he began to snore |
| 08:43.27 | Lanfear | Oh great |
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| 13:14.18 | Cockroach- | setting up a development environment can be a pain... |
| 13:15.16 | Cockroach- | I'm trying to figure out the "best" way of setting up a cross compiling environment, I've tried scratchbox for a while and now I'm considering the OpenEmbedded. |
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| 19:40.50 | markit | anyone can tell me how understand http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary for my iPAQ h2200? |
| 19:41.12 | markit | what does "Ready for users" and "Supported by Familiar" mean? |
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| 22:19.58 | rodkey | Exciting list... |
| 22:20.16 | rodkey | Ready for users: past the debug stage. Mostly usable. |
| 22:20.52 | rodkey | Supported by Familiar: familiar is committed to making sure this works whenever a familiar package comes out. |
| 22:21.09 | rodkey | Easy for me to say this, not being a familiar developer, but that's what I understand. |
| 22:23.00 | rodkey | You might want to look at http://www.handhelds.org/projects/h2200.html |
| 22:24.03 | rodkey | Still need to get buttons working, power management, bluetooth and SD./SD/IO . |
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