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| 02:34.33 | cshields | where do I find familiar 0.8.1 for the Zaurus (as noted on familiar.handhelds.org)?? |
| 02:34.52 | cshields | all of the downloads seem to be for the ipaqs |
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| 06:01.27 | jjg | hi |
| 06:01.38 | jjg | really impressed with improvements in gpe 0.8.1 |
| 06:01.46 | jjg | big time improvements |
| 06:01.50 | jjg | IMO |
| 06:03.43 | jjg | anyone working with j2me-cdc? |
| 06:03.55 | jjg | or know where i can find an ipkg? |
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| 06:52.25 | jjg | hi, bluelightning |
| 06:52.31 | jjg | are you a familiar developer? |
| 06:53.13 | jjg | even if not, you heard of any ipkgs available that have the J2ME-CDC jvm ( cvm ) |
| 06:53.16 | jjg | ? |
| 06:54.47 | bluelightning | I'm kind of a developer yeah |
| 06:54.51 | bluelightning | on the outer edge I guess |
| 06:55.11 | bluelightning | I haven't heard of such a package, but I haven't needed something like that though |
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| 07:21.17 | jjg | anyone know how to remove the boot splash so i can see my boot sequence? |
| 07:22.05 | bluelightning | just so you are aware, the "boot splash" isn't really a "splash" at all... its a logo that displays at the top of the console when the framebuffer is used |
| 07:22.10 | bluelightning | it's a standard kernel feature |
| 07:22.42 | bluelightning | but to really answer your question, you have to redirect the console output to the LCD instead of to the serial where it goes by default |
| 07:23.44 | bluelightning | I believe you edit the file /boot/params |
| 07:25.29 | jjg | ok, thanks |
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| 07:56.58 | spacepost | hi |
| 07:57.02 | bluelightning | hi spacepost |
| 07:57.20 | spacepost | cool, someone up at 3am like me :) |
| 07:57.59 | bluelightning | well, actually it's only 9pm here in NZ :) |
| 07:58.37 | spacepost | i noticed on the familiar homepage that version .0.8.1 is supposed to support the sharp zaurus, but i can't find any documentation on how i go about installing |
| 08:01.41 | spacepost | can anyone confirm if the zaurus is supported or not? |
| 08:02.10 | bluelightning | hmm, well you've got me there... I know there are images here: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.1/install/files/ |
| 08:02.23 | bluelightning | but as for how to install it I'm not sure |
| 08:02.41 | bluelightning | personally I'd recommend OpenZaurus unless you have any particular reason not to go with OZ |
| 08:02.55 | spacepost | oz blows |
| 08:03.08 | spacepost | it's getting better but it's just full of bugs |
| 08:03.40 | spacepost | everytime i install the latest version i think, my god they haven't fixed that yet... |
| 08:04.15 | bluelightning | there's a new release coming I believe |
| 08:04.21 | bluelightning | very soon |
| 08:04.37 | spacepost | it's always the most annoying things too, like after oz resumes from suspend the screen doesn't restore to normal brightness |
| 08:04.41 | bluelightning | (we're syncing Familiar releases with OZ now) |
| 08:04.59 | spacepost | and the clock won't account for timezones |
| 08:05.04 | spacepost | dumb crap like that |
| 08:05.58 | bluelightning | hmm |
| 08:06.03 | spacepost | hopefully they can get this stuff ironed out |
| 08:06.32 | spacepost | it gets better every time but they just don't have the resources i think |
| 08:06.49 | spacepost | 3 core developers... |
| 08:06.50 | bluelightning | we have the same problems in Familiar |
| 08:06.57 | spacepost | doh! |
| 08:07.30 | spacepost | i still want to install it anyways and try it out |
| 08:07.33 | bluelightning | I think it will improve when we have a decent release... we've been plagued with lots of minor but annoying issues in recent releases too |
| 08:07.56 | bluelightning | also we're close to getting support for some newer model ipaqs, that's bound to bring in some more users also |
| 08:08.23 | spacepost | cool |
| 08:09.00 | spacepost | i'm going to take a stab at installing familiar |
| 08:09.15 | bluelightning | ok |
| 08:09.21 | spacepost | i'll just assume it works like an oz install and see how it goes |
| 08:09.27 | bluelightning | I can't imagine the initial parts being too different from installing OZ |
| 08:09.32 | bluelightning | just a different image |
| 08:09.41 | spacepost | might not boot when it's done but i can always go back and reflash |
| 08:09.46 | bluelightning | yep |
| 08:10.11 | spacepost | have you tried gpe vs opie? |
| 08:10.26 | bluelightning | I mostly use opie, but I have tried GPE |
| 08:10.52 | spacepost | i haven't tried gpe yet |
| 08:10.55 | bluelightning | GPE's not really for me I'd have to say... it doesn't feel right to me as an environment for a handheld |
| 08:11.02 | bluelightning | but lots of people like it |
| 08:23.42 | spacepost | hrm |
| 08:23.53 | spacepost | boots up :) |
| 08:24.13 | bluelightning | that's a good start :) |
| 08:26.58 | spacepost | cool, the settings from oz ported |
| 08:28.37 | spacepost | wow! |
| 08:28.50 | spacepost | city time actually reports different times for varioius cities |
| 08:29.17 | bluelightning | it always has in Familiar/Opie as far as I've seen |
| 08:29.32 | spacepost | it's a bug in the latest oz |
| 08:29.51 | spacepost | the clock won't handle timezones either |
| 08:29.56 | spacepost | i don't know what they did |
| 08:30.19 | spacepost | oz has some messed up packages in their feed |
| 08:30.33 | spacepost | it looks like they got a bunch of old versions in there somehow |
| 08:30.57 | spacepost | maybe something to do with the upcoming bitbake changes |
| 08:31.35 | spacepost | not sure, but i had to install some packages from the prior release because the versions in the latest one were actually older |
| 08:31.43 | bluelightning | I don't know if I'd describe them as "upcoming"... we've been using it in Familiar for two releases now |
| 08:31.54 | bluelightning | (bitbake/OpenEmbedded I mean) |
| 08:32.32 | spacepost | oz 3.5.3 is oz's first bitbake release |
| 08:32.43 | spacepost | and it's not out yet |
| 08:33.48 | spacepost | supposedly it's due out sometime this month, but i haven't heard anything |
| 08:35.39 | spacepost | eww |
| 08:35.47 | bluelightning | ? |
| 08:35.57 | spacepost | familiar doesn't handle the oz keypad correctly |
| 08:36.12 | spacepost | that sorta sucks |
| 08:37.21 | spacepost | guess i'll have to teach it my handwriting style :) |
| 08:37.28 | bluelightning | hmm... well bear in mind that 0.8.1 is the first release in which images for Zaurus have been produced |
| 08:37.39 | bluelightning | plus I suspect they are not widely used or tested |
| 08:37.48 | spacepost | i'm sure |
| 08:37.50 | bluelightning | feel free to report bugs using the handhelds.org bugzilla though |
| 08:38.04 | spacepost | looks like it just needs a new keyboard layout |
| 08:38.10 | spacepost | it's working |
| 08:38.15 | bluelightning | you may also want to check out the new 0.8.2 snapshot releases if you feel like walking on the bleeding edge :) |
| 08:38.26 | spacepost | it's just not displaying the right letters |
| 08:39.03 | spacepost | this is looking pretty hopeful |
| 08:39.08 | spacepost | aside from the keypad |
| 08:39.13 | spacepost | which i can live without |
| 08:39.33 | spacepost | network is working, which it wasn't in oz |
| 08:39.49 | spacepost | timezone problem doesn't exist as in oz |
| 08:40.50 | spacepost | it's also restore my screen brightness settings, but there is a short delay between tapping the screen and the brightness restoring, but that's way better than oz at the moment |
| 08:45.52 | bluelightning | hmm |
| 08:46.22 | bluelightning | well some of the improvements you are seeing are probably related to Opie rather than Familiar, so they should be in the next OZ |
| 08:53.29 | spacepost | hopefully |
| 08:53.57 | spacepost | just a base feed and an opie feed in familiar? |
| 08:54.32 | bluelightning | yeah |
| 08:55.04 | spacepost | oz has an update feed where they put bugfixes |
| 08:55.38 | spacepost | there's a lot of packages in there....lol |
| 08:58.25 | spacepost | hrm, no additional packages to install |
| 09:00.53 | bluelightning | we're going to have an updates feed for 0.8.2 I think, when it's released |
| 09:11.25 | spacepost | where do i get additional software like opie media player 2? |
| 09:11.49 | spacepost | opie is out of the feed business |
| 09:11.59 | spacepost | would i just use the oz feed for this? |
| 09:12.29 | spacepost | hope not cause opie media player2 is jacked up in the 3.5.2 oz feed |
| 09:15.47 | spacepost | woah, welcome back timezone problem... |
| 09:16.04 | spacepost | set the time from the network server and splat |
| 09:19.34 | bluelightning | opie-mediaplayer2 is in the opie feed... |
| 09:19.40 | bluelightning | yes, that does not work... |
| 09:20.07 | bluelightning | apparently it's due to missing timezone files or some such... it is in fact in the release notes, along with a workaround |
| 09:20.19 | bluelightning | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarReleaseNotes |
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| 11:53.46 | lynx | Does anyone know why ipkg cant locate any package? It should work since I'm able to ping domains and IP's. Also a a strange thing is that ipkg update did go without problems the first time i ran it, after that nothing but errors <_< |
| 11:58.54 | bluelightning | what errors? |
| 11:59.20 | lynx | when using the package manager it simply tells me that the package cant be found |
| 12:01.10 | bluelightning | firstly I would recommend you do an ipkg upgrade from the console |
| 12:03.34 | lynx | k, im trying that again. but last time it gave me errors telling me to do a ipkg update which was already done. |
| 12:04.28 | lynx | btw, the vi editor seems to be pretty buggy. What commands do i use to save a document? /wq doesnt seem to work |
| 12:04.59 | lynx | the upgrade seems to be running now :) dunno what went wrong but it works... |
| 12:06.13 | bluelightning | use x to save in vi |
| 12:06.37 | bluelightning | it's not really "buggy" it's an ultra-light-weight implementation provided by busybox |
| 12:06.47 | bluelightning | if you want the real deal you can install vim or vim-lite |
| 12:07.03 | lynx | lol |
| 12:07.06 | lynx | im installing nano :P |
| 12:07.45 | bluelightning | or you can do that yes... I ditched nano a while ago after seeing all the cool things my boss could do in vi :) |
| 12:09.23 | lynx | maybe, but when I'm in console mode I just want to be able to edit a text file without much hassle and this light weight vi thingy doesnt work for me :P Also the gui editor isnt suitable for these things since that thing makes shortcuts to anything it touches. |
| 12:11.11 | bluelightning | if you're using opie, and you don't want that symlinking stuff just turn off the doctab |
| 12:11.44 | lynx | i know ;) but it is handy for normal document. just not for system config files :P |
| 12:15.49 | lynx | everything seems to be working fine now, I guess I was impatiant with it all. sry for troubling ya |
| 12:16.00 | bluelightning | no worries |
| 12:16.16 | lynx | finally, my PDA is on the net and I can install my stuff on it again :P |
| 12:17.19 | lynx | its running Linux so it was kind of a hasle :P |
| 12:18.17 | lynx | sry wrong tab :P |
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| 18:45.29 | frederik | hey, I'm trying to play around with compiling some applications for my ipaq running familiar 0.7.2 |
| 18:45.48 | frederik | should I try this with Open Embedded, or won't that work? |
| 19:36.02 | rodkey | spacepost, the clock not accounting for timezones may be because the files in /usr/share/timezones |
| 19:36.35 | rodkey | aren't populated completely. You can download tz info from http://mail.westmont.edu/pipermail/zoneinfo |
| 20:30.08 | lynx | i'm not sure if this is the place to ask this, but how does GPE compare to Opie? |
| 20:35.32 | The-Silicium | cya all muss Debian neu afusetzen :S |
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