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| 06:44.18 | HostingGeek | hi |
| 06:44.27 | HostingGeek | is this distro based on debian? |
| 06:49.45 | bluelightning | HostingGeek: it is debian-like |
| 06:49.58 | bluelightning | but it is not really based on debian anymore |
| 07:03.53 | HostingGeek | i see |
| 07:04.18 | HostingGeek | Whats the best PDA to get |
| 07:04.25 | HostingGeek | i want to run GPE on it |
| 07:07.33 | bluelightning | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/SupportedHandheldSummary |
| 07:08.07 | bluelightning | I would recommend an iPAQ h3800 or h3900 series... h387x/h397x if you want bluetooth |
| 07:08.28 | bluelightning | also: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HandheldFeatureComparison |
| 07:08.31 | HostingGeek | ok thanks |
| 07:10.00 | HostingGeek | bluelightning: I need a ethernet on it |
| 07:10.12 | HostingGeek | what the best way of getting it on one of these toys |
| 07:10.37 | bluelightning | HostingGeek: you'd need to get a sleeve (pcmcia or compactflash) and then get an appropriate supported ethernet card to go with it |
| 07:11.02 | bluelightning | i have a PCMCIA sleeve and a DLink DFE-670TXD here that work well |
| 07:11.05 | HostingGeek | ok cool |
| 07:11.15 | HostingGeek | where do i get cleeves from |
| 07:11.25 | bluelightning | there should be lots of compatible cards though... if it's PCMCIA just make sure it's _not_ cardbus |
| 07:11.31 | HostingGeek | and how big are these sleeves |
| 07:13.53 | bluelightning | http://www.niquille.net/index/ipaq |
| 07:14.06 | bluelightning | the dual sleeve is a bit bulkier than the single, obviously |
| 07:14.29 | bluelightning | the two shown there are the old-style ipaq single PCMCIA sleeve and some third party CF one |
| 07:18.45 | HostingGeek | how much space does familiar need? |
| 07:20.55 | HostingGeek | does the h3800 series fully work? |
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| 07:40.04 | bluelightning | HostingGeek: yes, h3800 fully works |
| 07:40.12 | HostingGeek | ok thanks |
| 07:40.41 | bluelightning | I'm guessing GPE will leave you with about 10-13mb free |
| 07:40.55 | bluelightning | (out of the 32mb main flash paritition) |
| 07:41.00 | bluelightning | *partition |
| 07:41.46 | HostingGeek | nice... |
| 07:42.14 | HostingGeek | GPE includes gaim + web browser any thing else? |
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| 07:44.01 | bluelightning | HostingGeek: you'd probably have to look at the GPE site, I'm an Opie user/developer |
| 07:44.35 | _chronic | HostingGeek: on my h3800, jffs base install for GPE left me with just under half, ie just under 16M free. |
| 07:44.44 | HostingGeek | bluelightning: whats more worth it... the h3900 or h3800 |
| 07:45.40 | bluelightning | HostingGeek: well, I have both here... the h3900 has a slightly better screen and should be faster, but I haven't noticed any speed difference, and there is no consumer IR or Microphone support on h3900 |
| 07:45.58 | _chronic | HostingGeek: that's before browser and gaim ... |
| 07:46.13 | HostingGeek | whats "comsumer" IR |
| 07:46.30 | bluelightning | consumer IR = using the iPAQ as an IR remote control |
| 07:46.47 | bluelightning | different from IrDA which is used to beam data between devices etc. |
| 07:47.04 | bluelightning | (IrDA does work on both models) |
| 07:49.18 | HostingGeek | Ahh... |
| 07:49.34 | HostingGeek | the only thing is i probberly wll use the mic... |
| 07:50.06 | HostingGeek | anyway i prefer a better pda... if i am going to spend the money.... is there any other pda that linux runs well on... |
| 07:50.26 | bluelightning | it's all on that supported handhelds page I mentioned earlier |
| 07:50.53 | bluelightning | AFAIK the answer is no, not really... but other newer models such as hx4700 are being worked on |
| 07:51.16 | bluelightning | you could of course go for a zaurus, as an alternative |
| 07:51.30 | HostingGeek | bluelightning: i am not talking about ones supported by the familiar project |
| 07:51.49 | bluelightning | no idea... this is #familiar ;) |
| 07:52.29 | bluelightning | the reality is I don't think there are all that many fully open Linux+PDA projects out there... Familiar and OpenZaurus are the main ones |
| 07:53.57 | bluelightning | the Familiar, OpenZaurus and OpenSimpad projects cooperate quite closely |
| 07:58.06 | _chronic | anyone else playing with unionfs? after installing kernel module, utils, unionroot & unionroot-utils, i can test union mount a cf & mmc card together, but init.unionroot borks. |
| 08:00.55 | _chronic | ultimately i would like a ro / unioned with a rw 64Mb mmc card. |
| 08:05.21 | bluelightning | _chronic: I'm not sure who has been working with unionfs, all I have heard is it isn't working yet |
| 08:05.49 | _chronic | so at the moment, i guess i can overlay mount.union /usr, /bin, /sbin etc. separately. |
| 08:06.03 | _chronic | bluelightning: ok. thanks. |
| 08:07.20 | _chronic | bluelightning: the module and utils do seem to work. it's just the new /sbin/init.unionroot which loads modules & pivot_root()'s seems to fail. |
| 08:07.45 | bluelightning | yeah, I guess the plan is to get that fully working |
| 08:13.20 | _chronic | ah, it seems so close. but at the moment, each time i test, i have to reload root jffs image to recover and start from scratch :-/ |
| 08:16.19 | _chronic | mind you, prolly being stoopy here, as there is likely a kernel boot param to allow me to specify init script path. |
| 08:24.20 | _chronic | after i can get unionroot working, what really interests me is using unionctl to then overlay a nfs mount from my gentoo dev box. which could a be a great developing environment. |
| 08:26.11 | bluelightning | indeed... that sort of thing has been done by just chroot+NFS, but unionfs would make that even nicer & easier |
| 08:27.04 | _chronic | sure. and with safer fallbacks! :) |
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| 08:27.56 | Yrt | Hi! |
| 08:28.21 | Yrt | Is it possible to setup familiar on a SD card ? |
| 08:30.46 | _chronic | Yrt: do you mean to dual boot, or to extend space on a commited familiar host? |
| 08:32.53 | _chronic | not sure whether the current bootloader supports MMC/SD cards, but there is a boot from CF card option. |
| 08:33.56 | bluelightning | bootldr doesn't support booting from SD/MMC at the moment |
| 08:34.12 | bluelightning | but CF may work if you get the card set up just right... never tried it myself |
| 08:35.40 | Yrt | thx for the answer |
| 08:35.49 | Yrt | Indeed I need a dual boot |
| 08:36.01 | Yrt | => need to reinstall wince for tomtom to work |
| 08:36.10 | Yrt | but don't want to loose familiar |
| 08:36.47 | Yrt | So, If I undestand : no way to boot on SD using ipaq bootldr |
| 08:42.30 | Yrt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:36.15 | _chronic | bootldr help anyone? need to load familiar with /sbin/init.sysv* |
| 10:38.49 | _chronic | set linuxargs root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/sbin/init.sysv[whatever] noinitrd console=none ? |
| 10:39.28 | _chronic | damn. so close with unionfs, too! :-( |
| 10:39.51 | bluelightning | I probably can't help you directly, but perhaps this is of use: http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/bootldr.html |
| 10:40.49 | bluelightning | actually, that's probably not going to be much help... |
| 10:43.44 | _chronic | could you help by reminding me of the exact filename of /sbin/init.sysv[whatever]? can't see it right now ... :-/ |
| 10:45.13 | bluelightning | ok, just a sec |
| 10:45.33 | bluelightning | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:45.41 | bluelightning | is that the one? |
| 10:45.46 | _chronic | yup. ta. |
| 10:46.15 | bluelightning | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.21 | _chronic | without unionroot, it's linked to /sbin/init |
| 10:46.35 | bluelightning | ah right :) |
| 10:47.06 | _chronic | with unionroot, /sbin/init is a script which does insmod,pivot_root, blah, then calls init.sysvinit |
| 10:48.30 | _chronic | i thought i found the issue, as unionroot adds a wrong (well, for my system) fstab entry which i thought was the cause of the problem ... |
| 10:54.22 | _chronic | yay! i win. can recover with set linuxargs root=/dev/mtdblock1 init=/sbin/sysvinit noinitrd console=none |
| 11:04.39 | _chronic | which allowed me to restore the /sbin/init link to /sbin/init.sysvinit |
| 11:28.59 | bluelightning | _chronic: still no working unionfs though? |
| 11:54.27 | _chronic | unionfs is working in userland space, just no unionroot yet. |
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| 12:12.14 | Eseob | anyone in here familiar with installing/using blackdown JVM? |
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| 18:03.30 | jcienfu | hi all! |
| 18:03.37 | jcienfu | i have a question |
| 18:04.31 | jcienfu | i have an ipaq with familar and i want to copy a file from the my pc (debian) to pda |
| 18:04.43 | jcienfu | can I use synce?? |
| 18:05.35 | jcienfu | or any proposal???? |
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| 21:25.08 | Blacknator | hi, does anyone installed the bootloader (on ipaq 5400) via a terminal ? |
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| 22:26.41 | HostingGeek | Hey anyone intrested in sharing these http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38331&item=5770951781&rd=1 |
| 22:26.47 | HostingGeek | there is 5 of them |
| 22:27.06 | HostingGeek | it comes down to $190 each |
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| 23:00.09 | cw2 | HostingGeek: I got a h5555 off ebay for $200 |
| 23:01.07 | HostingGeek | really??? |
| 23:01.50 | cw2 | yup, bout a month ago |
| 23:02.04 | cw2 | took a few days of bidding though |
| 23:02.21 | HostingGeek | cw2: i think i'll use jbidwatcher |
| 23:02.41 | cw2 | auctionsniper is handy too |
| 23:02.52 | cw2 | you can setup a bid group |
| 23:03.19 | cw2 | it will bid on each one in order till it wins one then it'll discard the rest |
| 23:03.38 | HostingGeek | cw2: thats what jbidwatcher is |
| 23:03.58 | cw2 | sounds like a plan then :) |
| 23:05.13 | HostingGeek | cw2: http://www.jbidwatcher.com/ |
| 23:08.04 | cw2 | oh you have to leave it running? |
| 23:08.12 | cw2 | auction sniper is web based |
| 23:08.39 | cw2 | you don't have to worry about your clock being off or your internet going out |
| 23:10.36 | cw2 | but then, auction sniper isn't free either, though they do give you 3 free to start off with |
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| 23:49.15 | Carolinae | lut* |
| 23:55.22 | Carolinae | super... |
| 23:56.12 | Carolinae | :\ |
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