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| 01:37.07 | xeem | Is it possible to install familiar onto an ipaq with a usb cradle? I read the faq, but it showed steps for the serial cable. |
| 01:42.45 | bluelightning | xeem: not without a CF sleeve (if you're talking about the older models, h5xxx and older) |
| 01:45.47 | xeem | It's a 3630 so it's pretty ancient. But you can't beat the price of free. :) |
| 01:46.35 | bluelightning | ah ok |
| 01:46.48 | bluelightning | well, your only choices are serial or CF sleeve I'm afraid |
| 01:47.49 | xeem | Alright. I should be getting a CF sleeve soon so that shouldn't be a problem. But why is it impossible to use a terminal emulator to connect through usb? |
| 01:48.24 | bluelightning | well, the bootloader does have a USB console option, and it may work for you |
| 01:48.45 | bluelightning | I've never seen it working and I'm told it's quite flaky, but it was designed for the 3600 series so you may be able to use it |
| 01:49.23 | bluelightning | the idea is the bootloader makes the ipaq's USB connection pretend that it is a USB-serial adapter |
| 01:50.37 | xeem | Ahh, that makes sense. I guess compaq really didn't design these machines to make it easier to do things like that so one has to use hacks. |
| 01:52.28 | xeem | Thanks for your help. |
| 01:55.09 | bluelightning | np :) |
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| 04:27.28 | france | bluelightning: hello |
| 05:37.39 | bluelightning | hi france |
| 05:37.51 | bluelightning | sorry, was entertaining a guest |
| 05:37.58 | bluelightning | how are you? |
| 05:38.53 | france | bluelightning: I am doing well, just about to call it a night! |
| 05:39.10 | bluelightning | must be pretty late over there |
| 05:39.19 | france | bluelightning: I just have not seen you in my time zone recently and just wanted to see how you were doing |
| 05:39.35 | bluelightning | I'm doing great :) |
| 05:39.50 | france | that is good to hear |
| 05:39.58 | bluelightning | just starting to get back into handhelds stuff |
| 05:40.12 | france | I am hoping the next few weeks that andy is going to have to to redo all the websites |
| 05:40.21 | france | it is good to have you back |
| 05:40.26 | bluelightning | thanks for getting the archives back up btw |
| 05:40.41 | france | ahh your welcome, it just took forever |
| 05:41.16 | france | putting the archvies back was the easy part, figuring which messages to remove to be compliant with various legal requirments |
| 05:41.20 | france | took all the time. |
| 05:41.42 | bluelightning | the sort of things people don't usually think about... |
| 05:41.51 | france | exactly |
| 05:42.22 | france | some countries get fairly ugly if a message that was removed due to a request suddenly re-appears. |
| 05:43.04 | bluelightning | you still working at avid? |
| 05:43.14 | france | nope that contract is done |
| 05:43.39 | france | I am working for the national library of medicine |
| 05:43.50 | bluelightning | ah ok |
| 05:43.56 | france | until that contract expires in sept, sometime. |
| 05:44.32 | bluelightning | you find contract work is better? |
| 05:44.47 | france | it allows me to do what I want to do |
| 05:44.58 | france | I can charge less for projects that I really want to do |
| 05:45.11 | france | I charge much more for things that I do not like doing. :-D |
| 05:46.01 | france | for example the MLM project is helping to get linux ported to the new hw65xx |
| 05:46.17 | france | NLM |
| 05:46.22 | france | it is late the typing is going |
| 05:47.35 | france | I think andy is going to setup cascading style sheets, standard headers, standard foots, cleanup geeklog, the zwiki, the php pages, proably moin as well |
| 05:47.40 | france | it is a big task |
| 05:47.56 | bluelightning | cool |
| 05:48.00 | france | he is also very wise and will not let me pick the color scheme |
| 05:48.07 | bluelightning | :) |
| 05:48.18 | france | I still see nothing wrong with purple and gold. :-D |
| 05:48.43 | bluelightning | hehe |
| 05:48.56 | france | :-) |
| 05:49.07 | bluelightning | well I'm happy as long as the moinmoin wiki stays up and looks good |
| 05:49.25 | france | I have been working on the admin system |
| 05:49.28 | france | total re-write |
| 05:49.40 | bluelightning | if we can make the rest of the site more accessible and friendly for visitors that'll be great |
| 05:49.54 | france | still trying to figure out the best way to integrate it all into the web site, so that developers can easily update |
| 05:50.04 | france | their pages, but still keep the same overall look and feel. |
| 05:50.10 | france | and make things easy to find. |
| 05:50.16 | france | I can not even find some of the pages |
| 05:50.38 | bluelightning | well, I really like the way the wiki works myself, but maybe it's not for everyone... a lot of people seem to be able to use it ok though |
| 05:50.54 | france | for some things I love the wiki |
| 05:50.57 | bluelightning | the overall structure still needs work of course |
| 05:51.05 | france | for otherthings I prefer php |
| 05:51.22 | france | I just wish for the old days when the wiki was 100% open to anybody |
| 05:51.37 | france | we had not spam and no vandels. |
| 05:51.46 | bluelightning | well, technically it is still open to anyone, you just have to create an account |
| 05:51.52 | france | nods |
| 05:52.13 | france | but I fear that the spammers will figure it out sooner or later. |
| 05:52.25 | bluelightning | the new moinmoin has some more anti-spamming features, but I have been loath to suggest an upgrade because the parser has been changed and it breaks one or two things (mainly to do with lists) that I rely upon |
| 05:53.28 | france | bluelightning: well I am upgrading servers, while getting ready to move them. All the secondary servers are down, getting clean installs and upgrades before shipping. |
| 05:53.40 | france | now is the time to make the change. |
| 05:53.52 | bluelightning | well we did have one or two spam attempts, but after I fixed the SpammerGroup page I just added them to that and they didn't manage to figure that out yet |
| 05:54.02 | france | heh |
| 05:54.48 | bluelightning | ok... bear in mind though that the moinmoin upgrade process is not for the faint of heart... there's a few scripts to run |
| 05:55.04 | bluelightning | I did it here at home but my wiki is nowhere near the size of the hh.org one |
| 05:55.24 | france | I will mention it to andy |
| 05:56.15 | bluelightning | btw I keep meaning to ask you, I'd like to do something about the old FAQ... the problem is it's docbook and not all of the source seems to be in CVS |
| 05:56.30 | bluelightning | do you still have it somewhere else by any chance? |
| 05:56.34 | france | jamey and andy are going to clean that up |
| 05:56.52 | france | i do not but jamey formated most of it in docbook |
| 05:56.56 | france | he has the originals. |
| 05:56.59 | bluelightning | ok |
| 05:57.12 | france | the cvs parts of the website need to be fixed |
| 05:57.25 | bluelightning | the problem is it's somewhat out of date and try as we might, people still try following it when they ought to be reading the stuff we put in the wiki instead |
| 05:57.31 | france | some folks not realizing that it was part of cvs, edited the repository instead of doing check ins. <sigh> |
| 05:57.54 | france | it corrupted some of the repository |
| 05:58.01 | bluelightning | ouch |
| 05:58.17 | france | yes there needs to be a smooth transition from moin, to docbook, to php |
| 05:58.31 | france | it should not really matter to the users, they should not even see it. |
| 06:00.20 | bluelightning | yeah |
| 06:00.59 | france | well I must call it a night, it has been good talking with you. |
| 06:01.55 | bluelightning | indeed, likewise. take care! |
| 06:02.05 | france | thanks, I will try |
| 06:02.10 | france | bye bye |
| 06:02.25 | bluelightning | cya |
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| 09:10.13 | grurf | ? the kernel keeps saying it is out of memory |
| 09:10.37 | Georgy | in what case and on which device? |
| 09:11.30 | grurf | 5450 |
| 09:11.37 | grurf | I'm trying to use opie package manager |
| 09:11.57 | grurf | If I try to install more than 3 packages it starts gving those errors |
| 09:12.06 | grurf | and kills the package manager |
| 09:12.21 | grurf | but df-h says there is plenty of space everywhere |
| 09:18.25 | grurf | Out of Memory: Killed process [number] (name). |
| 09:18.47 | grurf | OWM read failed -110 (0x000c) |
| 09:19.01 | grurf | those are the errors the kernel keeps giving |
| 09:24.52 | grurf | could it be the package manager that is leaking into the memory? |
| 09:25.23 | Georgy | yes, the package-manager is a bit problematic |
| 09:25.31 | Georgy | i use ipkg directly |
| 09:25.37 | Georgy | have a 5450 too |
| 09:26.22 | grurf | ok |
| 09:26.24 | Georgy | i have connected it via USB to my linux-machine (cradle) and then set up usb-networking, so i can log in via SSH and use the PC-keyboard for typing! ;) |
| 09:26.42 | grurf | I have it wireless connected to a laptop |
| 09:26.48 | Georgy | p.s. the opie-problems have to go in channel #opie |
| 09:26.51 | grurf | too bad it's a winblowz laptop |
| 09:26.57 | grurf | ok |
| 09:27.04 | Georgy | oh, wlan also works |
| 09:27.27 | Georgy | tried it some time ago, but the wlan-driver of this machine has some...disadvantages |
| 09:27.37 | Georgy | does SD-Cards work on your 5450? |
| 09:27.46 | grurf | ya |
| 09:27.59 | grurf | although opie's autocardcheck seems to give great problems |
| 09:28.04 | Georgy | hmm... sort of funny... on mine, they don't work |
| 09:28.12 | grurf | lots of NULL requests |
| 09:28.19 | grurf | but the mounted card works |
| 09:28.26 | Georgy | if i do a "dmesg" on a console while card inserted i get many IRQ-errors |
| 09:28.32 | grurf | mmm... |
| 09:28.37 | grurf | wrong driver? |
| 09:28.49 | Georgy | there is only one in familiar for that device |
| 09:29.00 | Georgy | some ppl in mailing lists and so on, know this prob |
| 09:29.10 | Georgy | in some cases it can freeze the ipaq |
| 09:29.17 | grurf | strange |
| 09:29.25 | Georgy | sort of irq-processing-endless-loop |
| 09:29.33 | grurf | doh |
| 09:29.45 | grurf | I want to get opieplayer2 working |
| 09:29.51 | grurf | does that work at yours? |
| 09:29.54 | Georgy | yes |
| 09:30.08 | Georgy | if you mean the opie-mediaplayer2 then yes |
| 09:30.14 | grurf | ok |
| 09:30.20 | Georgy | at first i had the prob, that the sound comes much too fast |
| 09:30.25 | grurf | how did you get it work? it segfaults here |
| 09:30.56 | Georgy | hmm... that prob i did not have...but i guess it comes because the SD-card |
| 09:31.09 | grurf | ok that could be the problem |
| 09:31.10 | Georgy | the player tries to scan all storage for media-files |
| 09:31.14 | grurf | will have a look at it |
| 09:31.18 | Georgy | ok |
| 09:31.29 | Georgy | some good hints are on handhelds.org |
| 09:32.27 | grurf | doh, why does ipkg install libxine-plugin* not work :S |
| 09:32.54 | Georgy | hmm...well, i have installed these... |
| 09:33.04 | Georgy | but there was something...let me remember |
| 09:33.28 | Georgy | best is to ask on #opie about that...there are those mediaplayer-developers ;) |
| 09:34.26 | grurf | ... ok |
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| 09:40.42 | grurf | darn, I'm going on holiday tomorrow, and I want to take some movies with me, but getting opieplayer2 to work is really hard |
| 09:43.28 | Georgy | what message do you get when you try the install? |
| 09:44.51 | Georgy | familiar has indeed some probs on the 5450. i guess the player will continue segfaulting as long as you have the sd-card inserted |
| 09:45.24 | Georgy | this will only become better, wenn they fix that driver |
| 09:45.36 | Georgy | CF works good afaik. |
| 09:49.00 | grurf | installing works great, but it segfaults when I try to play anything |
| 09:49.51 | grurf | ? ok wav works, but not allright |
| 09:49.54 | grurf | and ogg crashes |
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| 09:50.09 | Georgy | at first, you have to do a correction in a file when you run opieplayer2 on a h5450, moment i'll have a look, and second i can only advice to copy the file to flash, and remove the sdcard |
| 09:51.12 | Georgy | go to http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarReleaseNotes and scroll down to topic "opie" there are some things written to sound and opieplayer |
| 09:52.51 | grurf | ok |
| 09:52.59 | grurf | and how to update the applications menu? |
| 09:53.52 | Georgy | some installs need a opie-restart, you can got to the settings-tab and chosse "shutdown" and there you can restart opie |
| 09:54.29 | grurf | ok |
| 09:54.47 | grurf | ok wav plays allright now, although it seems to skip the first second |
| 09:54.54 | grurf | ogg crashes the player |
| 09:55.02 | grurf | gonna try it all without sd now |
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| 09:55.34 | priest_ux | hello all! |
| 09:56.14 | priest_ux | Q: Why alsa-modules are not in current Familiar, anyone? |
| 09:56.46 | grurf | dunno sorry |
| 09:56.58 | Georgy | familiar uses kernel 2.4 and mostly OSS, not alsa |
| 09:57.12 | Georgy | there seem to be some problems with alsa and PDA-soundchips |
| 09:57.34 | grurf | ok, trying from pda without sd now |
| 09:57.44 | priest_ux | but my H3970 doesn't work with OSS at all! |
| 09:57.46 | Georgy | perhaps someone knows on #handhelds.org |
| 09:57.56 | grurf | *crash* |
| 09:58.04 | grurf | sd card doesn't matter, it is ogg |
| 09:58.06 | priest_ux | #1202, #1294 |
| 09:58.07 | Georgy | @ grurf tra it after reboot pls |
| 09:58.11 | grurf | ok |
| 09:58.15 | Georgy | ok, i never treid ogg |
| 09:58.19 | Georgy | tried, i meant |
| 09:58.35 | Georgy | but as i said...these are mostly opie-related things... |
| 09:58.57 | grurf | ok |
| 09:59.04 | Georgy | @ priest_ux does the handhelds.org-site say anything onto that? |
| 09:59.24 | grurf | =) it's so good to see tux when booting instead of the ugly windows stuff |
| 09:59.27 | priest_ux | ghm, have to seek, just a minute... |
| 09:59.37 | Georgy | i don't know if it works better in GPE, never tried that...have familair on the ipaq for only 4 days now |
| 09:59.53 | grurf | me for 2 days |
| 10:00.08 | Georgy | :) |
| 10:00.40 | Georgy | the 5xxx series is a bit problematic right now... we use the image from the 3900 for installing, but some things are different though |
| 10:00.50 | grurf | that's right |
| 10:01.15 | grurf | ok, rebooted, trying again |
| 10:01.31 | grurf | segfault :S |
| 10:01.59 | Georgy | hmm..perhaps the ogg-driver is somewhat buggy |
| 10:02.06 | Georgy | an MP3 worked fine on my machine |
| 10:02.21 | grurf | the wav works and still skips the first second |
| 10:02.31 | Georgy | *gg* |
| 10:03.06 | grurf | gonna try mp3 now |
| 10:03.08 | Georgy | well, it took me just 2 days to figure out why sound was plaing to fast and what to do...until someone pointed me on above-posted website |
| 10:24.50 | grurf | ok mp3 works |
| 10:25.00 | grurf | but how to get the headphone jack working? |
| 10:26.16 | Georgy | doesn't it work already? |
| 10:27.19 | Georgy | i think i read something about making headphone jack insertion work for h5450s in familiar 0.8.3! so i think in present it only works if you have inserted the headphones at boot-time |
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| 12:58.45 | grurf | ... opieplayer suddenly stopped working :S |
| 13:00.32 | grurf | I think I'm gonna reinstall the stuff one more time |
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| 14:22.42 | grurf | argh that thing is driving me crazy |
| 14:22.53 | grurf | now it just stopped recognizing my sd card :S |
| 14:25.32 | Georgy | thats sad...but as i told you...sd-cards on the 5450 are problematic |
| 14:26.18 | grurf | ya |
| 14:26.35 | grurf | now the kernel doesn't log anything whether I take it out or put it in |
| 14:26.53 | Georgy | must be such a samsung-driver, that isn't interacting really good with the irq-management in the kernel |
| 14:27.06 | grurf | samsung? |
| 14:27.49 | Georgy | yes...as far as i know the chip used in these ipaqs is related to samsung...thats why they proided some driver-assistance |
| 14:30.43 | grurf | ... |
| 14:32.54 | grurf | but even reinstalling the whole stuff doesn't solve the problem |
| 14:33.13 | grurf | if it is this unstable, I don't think I can use it |
| 14:33.20 | Georgy | no, it's some kernel-related problem that this driver causes some sort of endless-loop |
| 14:33.37 | grurf | ... |
| 14:33.41 | grurf | what to do about it? |
| 14:34.59 | Georgy | hmm... i'll wait until it gets fixed...if we're lucky the fix goes into the next familiar-release |
| 14:35.21 | Georgy | until that is released we can not use SD-Cards without the risk of a crash |
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| 14:54.59 | grurf | well, I have just found a site with an updated kernel ipkg, I'm trying that now |
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| 18:06.29 | markit | hi :) how can I know if I can install linux on my ipaq 2210? |