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| 02:30.12 | poli | Rebecca: So did you decide on the 4700? :) |
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| 06:10.35 | Rebecca | poli: yup :) |
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| 08:53.11 | jm | hi |
| 08:56.06 | jm | i have recompiled the at76c503 module to use it with the familiar distribution running on a h5400. (i just wanted to add some printk) but now the wlan0 interface does not appear :( |
| 08:56.40 | jm | when i look dmesg, it stops to "usb.c: registered new driver at76..." |
| 08:57.44 | jm | i don't know if there is something special to do in order to use this driver correctly :/ |
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| 10:10.34 | mndctrl | wick ipkg holds the ascii_xfr application? |
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| 12:40.38 | quitte | hi. when i get the fmailiar source - can i do a full rebuild of all packages with it? |
| 12:41.45 | quitte | im thinking about porting it to a new arch |
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| 15:20.49 | Rebecca | anyone used this companies services?: http://www.pocketpctechs.com/ |
| 15:22.09 | poli | Rebecca: what are you planning to get from them? |
| 15:22.12 | Rebecca | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:22.16 | Rebecca | oh, hey poli :) |
| 15:22.22 | Rebecca | is that the place you were thinking of? |
| 15:22.59 | poli | lol |
| 15:23.30 | poli | I still couldn't get to talk to that guy that knows the service. His phone isn't working today. |
| 15:23.44 | Rebecca | lol |
| 15:23.45 | Rebecca | ok :) |
| 15:23.53 | poli | Changing the memory on the 4700 is quite difficult as the memory chip is BGA |
| 15:25.34 | poli | I want to buy one of those: http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~HP_Compaq_iPAQ_hx4700-265~area~accessories-audio~action~updateunit.htm |
| 15:26.14 | Rebecca | good idea |
| 15:26.45 | poli | So, did you make your decision for the 4700? |
| 15:27.12 | Rebecca | yup. im just waiting for a bargain to pounce on :) |
| 15:27.55 | poli | That guy on ebay had it on quite good terms. :) |
| 15:28.54 | Rebecca | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HP-iPAQ-HX4700-4700-PDA-AS-NEW-EXTRAS_W0QQitemZ5862084477QQcategoryZ70892QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <- that one? |
| 15:30.03 | poli | Yes. Did you find others? |
| 15:30.29 | Rebecca | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5863562409&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 <- another one im watching |
| 15:32.00 | poli | Yeah... I always wondered why this guys ask international buyers to use crappy bidpay |
| 15:32.11 | poli | The good (or bad) part is that bidpay went out of business. |
| 15:32.20 | Rebecca | oh |
| 15:32.20 | poli | So, I have no idea of how to pay this guy. |
| 15:32.27 | Rebecca | was bidpay like paypal? |
| 15:33.09 | poli | Yes, but had some differences that (I don't know the reason) many sellers made you use it instead of paypal for international transactions. |
| 15:34.26 | Rebecca | oh, ok |
| 15:34.49 | poli | Oh... I remember the photo... those are the guys my friend was planning to get his upgrade, yes. |
| 15:35.00 | poli | I remember the laser guided soldering photo. |
| 15:37.34 | Rebecca | hehe |
| 15:37.57 | Rebecca | so your friend never went through with the upgrade? |
| 15:38.22 | poli | we don't have laser soldering machines on the lab, but I know a technician that might be able to get that BGA exchanged with regular SMD equipment... |
| 15:38.32 | poli | Maybe I will give it a try some time ;) |
| 15:38.51 | poli | No, he didn't, at least yet. I remember he complained the guys didn't reply to his emails. |
| 15:38.59 | Rebecca | ah |
| 15:39.12 | Rebecca | good luck if you do it yourself, hehe |
| 15:39.19 | poli | ;) |
| 15:40.10 | Rebecca | i think the price is fair... (not cheap, but fair) so provided they are reliable i dont mind paying them |
| 15:40.40 | poli | We would have the problem to bring it back without paying taxes over the whole machine... |
| 15:42.06 | Rebecca | their site mentions something about saying the unit was being shipped back after repairs and not sold |
| 15:42.30 | poli | Yeah, if that works in Australia, I am very happy for you. |
| 15:42.49 | poli | I will introduce you to the brazilian authorities some day... |
| 15:43.43 | Rebecca | i can import a certain ammount of stuff without paying tax on it |
| 15:44.19 | Rebecca | and most of the bits and pieces that ebay people send me are marked as 'gifts'. so it shouldnt be a problem :) |
| 15:45.10 | Rebecca | my local post office knows me as the 'ebay girl' hehe |
| 15:45.21 | poli | Well, the limit for us to import by mail is 0. :) You pay 70% on every dollar you get, and they don't get shy to open and tax "gifts". :) |
| 15:45.30 | poli | lol |
| 15:45.32 | Rebecca | ouch |
| 15:46.14 | Rebecca | is your mail system reliable? |
| 15:46.25 | poli | You might get lucky and sometimes they won't open a package... But I have seen them ruin a tesla coil to check if there wasn't anything inside it they could tax... lol |
| 15:46.36 | poli | Quite reliable, yes. |
| 15:46.38 | Rebecca | woah! |
| 15:46.51 | Rebecca | deface a tesla coil! how dare them! |
| 15:47.05 | poli | lol |
| 15:48.44 | Rebecca | oh well, at least you dont have to deal with things going missing through the mail. |
| 15:49.04 | poli | You mail system isn't reliable? |
| 15:49.05 | Rebecca | ive noticed some sells refuse to ship to certain countries for that reason |
| 15:49.14 | Rebecca | nope, but i know some arnt reliable |
| 15:49.16 | poli | Oh yes. I have seen that too. |
| 15:49.56 | Rebecca | so. what is the deal there. they open the package and determine the value. then you need to pay them tax to get it? |
| 15:50.10 | poli | Yes, that's it. |
| 15:50.39 | poli | but they have lits of "common" products they use as references. |
| 15:50.51 | poli | And they usually ignore the ammount stated in the product itself. |
| 15:50.57 | Rebecca | oh |
| 15:51.01 | Rebecca | interesting |
| 15:51.06 | poli | So, even if you get a real bargain, they will tax it as retail. |
| 15:51.16 | Rebecca | heh |
| 15:51.32 | poli | And then there are UPS, DHL, etc... |
| 15:51.34 | Rebecca | that would take the fun out of ebay bargain hunting |
| 15:51.58 | Rebecca | are blackmarket delivery services common? |
| 15:52.15 | poli | Not only they tax you the ammount stated on the package, but they also charge you for their taxing services! |
| 15:52.33 | Rebecca | o_O |
| 15:52.48 | poli | About US$20,00 last time I checked... |
| 15:53.05 | Rebecca | a tax on tax, nice |
| 15:53.37 | poli | not really a tax... they charge you the service of paying that tax for you |
| 15:53.49 | poli | and of course you pay them the tax with the service |
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| 15:59.05 | Rebecca | poli: does the touchpad work under familiar? |
| 15:59.22 | poli | Rebecca: yes, very well in fact |
| 15:59.39 | Rebecca | cool |
| 16:00.07 | Rebecca | i only recently noticed that it had a touchpad instead of buttons! lol |
| 16:00.30 | poli | It was the first one to do that. Very cool indeed. |
| 16:02.29 | Rebecca | ive read a couple of reviews that diss the touchpad (for no particular reason, they just liked buttons better) but it sounds like a good idea to me |
| 16:03.30 | poli | For what is worth, buttons would make most of the tasks more reliable, yes. |
| 16:03.41 | poli | But the nice thing about the touchpad is that you can use it as a mouse. :) |
| 16:03.49 | poli | (Not in GPE, yet... but...) |
| 16:04.07 | Rebecca | i hope it is suppored soon |
| 16:04.30 | Rebecca | is the 4700 getting a lot of development attention? |
| 16:04.30 | poli | Oh... on the second thought... |
| 16:04.44 | poli | It might already be, but you would have to enable the pointer view to see it. |
| 16:04.51 | Rebecca | ahh |
| 16:05.38 | poli | Sort of, yes. There is a company called sdgsystems that is developing a commercial 4700+Linux solution. So, these guys really got the bootloader (very different from the other ipaqs) and drivers going. |
| 16:06.06 | Rebecca | ah, okay :) |
| 16:06.50 | poli | 4700 is almost impossible to brick, as it has a 2 stage booting... |
| 16:07.38 | Rebecca | that's good :) |
| 16:07.40 | poli | 3 to be precise... there is a boot loader that is never reflashed, and what you to is to get a 2nd stage boot loader right under it. And the 1st stage is able to reflash the 2nd stage bootldr. |
| 16:09.13 | Rebecca | funky :) |
| 16:09.49 | Rebecca | do you use an aftermarket case for you 4700? |
| 16:10.25 | poli | I bought two: first the aluminum one and then the magnesium (Magnum) case. |
| 16:10.46 | Rebecca | which do you like better? |
| 16:10.48 | poli | Both are very good, I dropped it from my pocket once. :) |
| 16:11.01 | Rebecca | hehe |
| 16:11.05 | poli | The magnum is very superior, but won't allow you to have a CF Wi-fi. |
| 16:11.12 | Rebecca | ahhh |
| 16:12.15 | poli | It closes just over the CF place, so, no oversized CFs |
| 16:12.32 | Rebecca | fair enough |
| 16:12.47 | Rebecca | i hope they get internal wifi working soon :) |
| 16:13.00 | Rebecca | which wifi CF are you using? |
| 16:14.23 | poli | It's a prism3 chipset. |
| 16:14.32 | poli | Bought on eBay for US$15,00 |
| 16:15.58 | Rebecca | nice price :) |
| 16:16.31 | poli | yeah but shipping was a bitch |
| 16:16.36 | poli | ipkg install prism3-support |
| 16:16.43 | poli | gets ist running so... :) |
| 16:17.02 | Rebecca | im not used to seeing a comma in the place of a decimal point hehe |
| 16:17.12 | poli | oh... true... |
| 16:17.16 | poli | US$15.00 |
| 16:17.30 | Rebecca | sorry. you dont need to change. i figured it out :) |
| 16:18.24 | Rebecca | so.. until you have wifi working you netword over the serial cable? |
| 16:18.29 | Rebecca | network* |
| 16:18.43 | poli | Rebecca: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43465&item=7571098810 |
| 16:18.47 | poli | this one |
| 16:19.09 | poli | Rebecca: yes, you can get network from the USB cable or bluetooth. |
| 16:19.47 | Rebecca | okay :) |
| 16:20.23 | Rebecca | oh, that's great that the wifi cf card also has some memory :) |
| 16:20.41 | poli | Well it did had a plus that was the PCMCIA adaptor, as my sister has a notebook and I plan to give it to her once the internal wifi works. :) |
| 16:21.06 | poli | I haven't tried to get the memory working, but I got some emails saying that it wasn't trivial... |
| 16:21.27 | quitte | poli it isnt hard either. at least for the pcmcia slot |
| 16:21.35 | quitte | no idea about the cf variant |
| 16:21.41 | Rebecca | poli: oh, damn |
| 16:22.08 | quitte | poli: basically just the definitions for pcmcia-cs have to be fixed |
| 16:22.17 | Rebecca | hello quitte :) |
| 16:22.23 | quitte | hi |
| 16:22.48 | poli | I read that in the wiki, quitte, but I got an email from another user that told me it didn't work for him. |
| 16:22.52 | quitte | i dont understand how cf works anyways. is it handled by pcmciautils? |
| 16:22.54 | poli | I didn't try it myself. |
| 16:22.59 | Rebecca | may i ask what you run familiar on quitte ? |
| 16:23.01 | poli | CF=PCMcIA |
| 16:23.21 | poli | CF is a PCMCIA with mechanical differences... |
| 16:23.31 | quitte | Rebecca: i dont run it yet. id like to run it on jornada 690. but my initial question wasnt answered |
| 16:23.49 | poli | Ok, doesn't have the same pins you you can get a CF-PCMCIA adapter with no logic inside it, so, mostly pin-compatible. |
| 16:24.05 | poli | What is the question, quitte? |
| 16:24.12 | quitte | poli: i knew that. but cf can be used to boot from. that doesnt work with pcmcia. so there must be some difference in how it is handled by the kernel |
| 16:24.34 | poli | quitte: Shows just like PCMCIA here. |
| 16:24.35 | quitte | can i rebuild full familiar withh all its packages from the source easily? |
| 16:24.49 | poli | Yes, you can. |
| 16:24.56 | poli | oe.handhelds.org |
| 16:25.00 | quitte | great. maybe ill port it to sh3 then |
| 16:25.03 | poli | Use OpenEmbedded for that. |
| 16:25.18 | quitte | jlime did that. but id like to see it in familiar instead |
| 16:25.33 | quitte | they didnt even mention it was familiar |
| 16:26.01 | poli | Take a look at the oe.handhelds.org wiki and you will find out how to download the whole OE repository. |
| 16:26.02 | quitte | had a look at familiar on a jornada 568 and thought oh - that looks familiar |
| 16:26.09 | poli | lol |
| 16:26.37 | quitte | is getting you to add that port is a problem? |
| 16:26.45 | poli | koen (you can find him in #handhelds.org) is the release manager of familiar. |
| 16:27.02 | Rebecca | quitte: i wanted to run linux on a jornada 720 unil i realised everything involved in booting it properly |
| 16:27.48 | quitte | its not hard i think. put a rootfs on cf and boot, isnt it? |
| 16:28.07 | quitte | Rebecca: you should be able to use hpsh loader |
| 16:28.14 | poli | quitte: You might have some serius problems with the drivers needed to get all chipsets running, though. |
| 16:28.28 | Rebecca | the OS is stored on ROM on the 720 |
| 16:28.37 | quitte | poli: already exists. www.jlime.com is a familiar port imho |
| 16:28.56 | quitte | Rebecca: same on 680. use the netbsds hpcsh loader |
| 16:29.00 | poli | So, if you can get the kernel drivers running, should be somehow easy, yes. |
| 16:29.05 | quitte | Rebecca: or sell it to me for a good price |
| 16:29.12 | Rebecca | so you need to replace the OS ROM pcb with a custom OS Flash 'ROM' PCB |
| 16:29.26 | quitte | Rebecca: no. wince kernel loading app exists |
| 16:29.27 | Rebecca | i didnt buy one.. i was close though, lol |
| 16:29.56 | quitte | Rebecca: thats how jornada 6x0 does it |
| 16:29.59 | Rebecca | quitte: yeah, i know about that. but i dont like that method |
| 16:30.16 | quitte | with an autorun.inf on the cf its acceptable |
| 16:30.21 | poli | quitte: if the kernel is ready, just get that kernel booted and use familiar under it... I don't think it will be hard to do that. |
| 16:30.25 | quitte | Rebecca: 50EUR? |
| 16:30.38 | poli | brb |
| 16:30.42 | Rebecca | quitte: what for? |
| 16:30.42 | quitte | poli jornada 680 is sh3 |
| 16:30.50 | quitte | Rebecca: jornada 720 |
| 16:30.57 | Rebecca | i never bought one |
| 16:31.05 | Rebecca | i ALMOST bought one |
| 16:31.07 | quitte | ok |
| 16:31.19 | quitte | i want a jornada 628 |
| 16:31.22 | Rebecca | then poli convinced me to get a ipaq 4700 ;) |
| 16:31.40 | quitte | its the best handheld with keyboard,still imho |
| 16:31.48 | quitte | err 728 |
| 16:33.27 | quitte | is anyone working on 568,still. i'd use it with linux if sound finally worked |
| 16:33.27 | Rebecca | yeah, my reason for initially picking a jornada was the keyboard.. but if i can use a mini IR/bluetooth kbd with an ipaq ill live :) |
| 16:33.27 | quitte | what is ipaq resolution? |
| 16:33.30 | Rebecca | the 4700 has 480x640 |
| 16:33.32 | quitte | wow |
| 16:34.38 | Rebecca | and it has a much faster cpu than the jornadas ;) |
| 16:35.25 | quitte | yup. but i got my 2 jornadas for 80EUR. for both of them. hard to beat that value for money |
| 16:35.34 | Rebecca | what models? |
| 16:35.38 | quitte | 690 |
| 16:36.08 | quitte | the gfx chip sucks,though. really slow |
| 16:36.22 | quitte | 133mhz sh3 seems ok to me |
| 16:38.50 | quitte | Rebecca: do you have docs about that rom replacement for 720? maybe it can be applied to 6x0 |
| 16:39.05 | Rebecca | i had an early cassiopeia with a keyboard. it's cpu was pathetic, but i found it usefull :) |
| 16:39.12 | poli | blame the brazilian guy, yeah, Rebecca lol |
| 16:39.34 | Rebecca | poli: hehehe |
| 16:39.50 | Rebecca | the _nice_ brazilian guy :) |
| 16:40.08 | poli | a friend of mine just bought a nec 770 and is getting netbsd running on it. |
| 16:40.15 | poli | lol :) |
| 16:40.34 | quitte | weird. more than 50% of people i meet on irc when it's about handhelds are brazilians |
| 16:40.43 | Rebecca | http://cgi.ebay.com.au/The-CASIO-Cassiopeia-Excellent_W0QQitemZ5863233754QQcategoryZ3733QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <- it was one of these. i lent it to my sister. so i could probably dig it up if i wanted |
| 16:40.44 | poli | yeah? |
| 16:41.31 | poli | oh that's a classic! lol |
| 16:42.07 | Rebecca | i used it for sketching that i would later transfer to my desktop and continue working on... and when i was a sysadmin it was handy to use as a portable serial terminal for administering headless servers |
| 16:42.12 | poli | 4MB of RAM could be a problem |
| 16:43.07 | Rebecca | it was limited.. and it chewed batteries. but was fun regardless :) |
| 16:43.13 | quitte | 640K should be enough for everybody |
| 16:43.17 | Rebecca | hehe |
| 16:43.18 | poli | LOL |
| 16:43.23 | quitte | poli: yay! sell it to me |
| 16:43.30 | poli | :) |
| 16:43.46 | poli | I know I have a 100LX and a 200LX too ;) |
| 16:43.49 | quitte | noone has proven it boots linux so far. maybe you could? |
| 16:44.57 | Rebecca | hehe |
| 16:45.00 | poli | lol |
| 16:45.20 | quitte | poli: please dig the 620 up. ill prepare hpcsh boot and a kernel the next days. id be glad to hear if it works. |
| 16:45.30 | poli | My technical abilities may prove more limited than my available time ;) And that would suck! |
| 16:45.54 | poli | quitte: I just asked my brother, I think he has it, he will dig it up. |
| 16:46.06 | quitte | poli its just a wince app you are supposed to run from cf. thanks a lot. |
| 16:47.07 | quitte | Rebecca: any idea where i can find docs about that 720 rom replacement? |
| 16:47.40 | Rebecca | quitte: hang on. ill comb my web history |
| 16:48.26 | poli | quitte: will do that gladly as soon as I find it :) |
| 16:48.55 | Rebecca | http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HpJornada720 |
| 16:48.57 | quitte | poli maybe you could do the port of familiar then? |
| 16:49.14 | poli | lol |
| 16:50.16 | poli | I have to figure out bug #1520 |
| 16:50.22 | poli | :) |
| 16:50.22 | quitte | im porting debian to it myself. im just sick of seeing jlime not working together with familiar |
| 16:50.46 | poli | debian? That would be nice. |
| 16:50.55 | poli | What distro do you use, Rebecca? |
| 16:52.04 | quitte | poli i should have the remaining packages to debootstrap an image within days |
| 16:52.48 | Rebecca | poli: debian-amd64 |
| 16:52.51 | poli | Cool. |
| 16:53.04 | poli | Did it get to stable, Rebecca? |
| 16:53.28 | Rebecca | i dont think so yet |
| 16:53.31 | poli | Last time I checked it was still a testing and people didn't know if it would get to stable on time. |
| 16:53.31 | quitte | poli i hope i can get you to my userbase. i have 1-2 users at the moment :p |
| 16:53.33 | Rebecca | im still on unstable/testing |
| 16:53.48 | quitte | it wont get stable before the release of etch |
| 16:53.51 | poli | quitte: when I find mine, count me in. |
| 16:53.52 | poli | :) |
| 16:53.58 | quitte | the amd64 |
| 16:54.15 | quitte | i doubt theyll do the work to add it to sarge late |
| 16:54.23 | poli | I did come research on that when a company I advise was thinking on getting Sun AMD-64 |
| 16:54.31 | poli | but that was a year ago, maybe. |
| 16:54.39 | poli | I don't think they will, no. |
| 16:54.58 | quitte | poli: theres no web-page yet. stuff happens in #debian-anarchy |
| 16:54.58 | poli | lol |
| 16:55.04 | poli | Cool ;) |
| 16:55.22 | quitte | poli a test page was created by caio once. caio.ueberalles.net/jam |
| 16:57.19 | poli | I like the idea. :) |
| 16:59.55 | poli | Have to go. BBL |
| 17:00.16 | Rebecca | seeya poli :) |
| 17:00.31 | poli | koen just joined #handghelds.org you might want to ask him again, quitte |
| 17:00.36 | poli | see ya, Rebecca :) |
| 17:15.33 | Rebecca | quitte: did you find the info on building a flashboard? |
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| 17:18.52 | quitte | Rebecca: yes. and it's quite interesting. |
| 17:19.16 | MoMiggins | can familar be run on a x86 platform or is it for handhelds only? |
| 17:19.20 | quitte | those flashchips look like they could replace the chips used in 680/690 |
| 17:19.32 | quitte | MoMiggins: you could port it i guess |
| 17:19.33 | Rebecca | quitte: i found the instructions detailed but daunting.. |
| 17:19.37 | Rebecca | quitte: cool |
| 17:19.47 | quitte | Rebecca: how do you get the system to the flash? |
| 17:20.21 | quitte | Rebecca: the flashchips are shorter than normal ones, or do i misinterprete the pictures? |
| 17:23.13 | MoMiggins | quitte what i'd like to do is have a single os and single gui for my entire home automation, pda, and carpc |
| 17:23.23 | MoMiggins | do you think this is doable with familiar? |
| 17:24.18 | Rebecca | http://www.lowlevel.cz/log/pivot/entry.php?id=41 this page also has some info on flash board install |
| 17:25.03 | Rebecca | quitte: no idea about flash chips sorry |
| 17:27.18 | poli | MoMiggins: There isn't much effort to get familiar running on x86, but you can use Debian, on which many familiar ideas are based, and you can have the same graphical interface, too. |
| 17:27.47 | poli | But yes, it is doable if you really want to. |
| 17:27.58 | poli | Compiling familiar for x86 shouldn't be an issue. |
| 17:28.32 | Rebecca | MoMiggins: any particular reason why you want to run familiar on x86? |
| 17:29.35 | MoMiggins | uniformity is my biggest reason, like i said i'm trying to get out of the windows world and out of the world of traditional desktops and goto embedded systems, IE a car pc, a handheld, and home automation pcs |
| 17:29.59 | quitte | poli: debian doesnt have opie |
| 17:30.24 | Rebecca | Damn Small Linux is a nice minimal linux OS |
| 17:30.58 | poli | quitte: does have gpe |
| 17:32.02 | poli | for a desktop, MoMiggins, you should really think on using some full featured linux distro, like debian, IMHO. |
| 17:32.23 | quitte | poli no. just a few useless packages |
| 17:33.04 | poli | quitte: I never really tried, but are you sure you can't have a window-manager like GPE running on debian? |
| 17:33.20 | quitte | poli i tried with etch |
| 17:33.48 | poli | *quit |
| 17:36.41 | poli | I use debian for about 10 years now.. |
| 17:37.02 | poli | I always quit testing/unstable just before a release. Things ALWAYS get nasty. :) |
| 17:37.23 | poli | hum |
| 17:37.53 | poli | Rebecca: I just had an idea... pocketpctechs ship to Brazil. I might buy a 4700 on ebay and have it delivered directly to them ;) |
| 17:39.26 | Rebecca | poli: ahhh. good thinking. just make sure you arrange it properly first :) |
| 17:39.45 | poli | :) |
| 17:40.11 | Rebecca | pocketpctechs should just sell modded units |
| 17:41.55 | Rebecca | i would probably buy straight from them :) |
| 17:45.03 | poli | cool... both kde and gnome's bugzilla are cute... |
| 17:45.10 | poli | lol |
| 17:46.24 | Rebecca | lol |
| 17:48.21 | Rebecca | quitte: you might want to read this if you havnt already: ftp://ftp.handhelds.org/projects/jornada/720/jornada720.txt |
| 17:51.07 | poli | damn |
| 17:51.31 | poli | I even tried irc.mozilla.org #bugzilla and... it isn't there. |
| 17:56.27 | Rebecca | quitte: if you decide to attempt to build the flash OS 'ROM' card then find out a rough estimate of price and i might be interested in contributing if you make me one :) |
| 17:57.54 | quitte | im doing this for 6x0 |
| 17:58.15 | quitte | i ight have found out how to get the flashchips cheap |
| 17:58.20 | quitte | they fit mmc cards |
| 17:58.21 | Rebecca | oh well :) |
| 17:58.37 | poli | that would be very nice |
| 17:59.13 | quitte | yup. especially if bigger chips can be used |
| 17:59.13 | Rebecca | if you need an exact chip you could try contacting the manufacturer and request a sample. many manufacturers will seen free samples to developers :) |
| 17:59.25 | Rebecca | s/seen/send |
| 17:59.31 | quitte | really? contact intel? |
| 17:59.57 | Rebecca | quitte: worth a try |
| 18:00.19 | Rebecca | several of the guys in #microcontrollers get free chips just by asking :) |
| 18:00.41 | quitte | yay |
| 18:00.57 | quitte | but i got mmc's somewhere. just cant find them |
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| 18:01.07 | Rebecca | just imply you are a commercial developer ;) |
| 18:01.13 | quitte | mmcs can be quite big i think |
| 18:01.40 | quitte | thats so sick. not supporting free developer like commercials |
| 18:02.23 | Rebecca | they just want to encourage people to develop mass produced products based on their chips.. it's understandable |
| 18:04.52 | quitte | bah. cant find pictures of an opened mmc |
| 18:04.55 | poli | Very common, my friend. |
| 18:05.04 | poli | Lots of companies don't understand yet the new paradigm. |
| 18:08.19 | quitte | doesnt any of you have a mmc he could rip apart and take photos? |
| 18:08.29 | quitte | or just tell me what'S inside? |
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| 18:17.52 | poli | most probably a flash controller and the memory itself, quitte... |
| 18:18.40 | Rebecca | if that |
| 18:19.00 | Rebecca | it's probably just a single IC |
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| 18:19.11 | poli | not yet |
| 18:19.30 | Rebecca | some SD cards are |
| 18:23.26 | quitte | rebecca is there something like that text for 80,too? |
| 18:23.43 | Rebecca | quitte: no idea sorry |
| 18:23.57 | quitte | poli: thats what i expected. but id like to know which chips |
| 18:24.23 | poli | There are some translucid ones available ;) |
| 18:24.44 | Rebecca | translucid? |
| 18:24.56 | quitte | translucent see through |
| 18:25.19 | quitte | translucid must be some form of grammar not known to me |
| 18:26.12 | Rebecca | hmm... iirc flash memory can be bitflipped by light |
| 18:26.33 | Rebecca | perhaps im getting it confused with EEPROM |
| 18:26.35 | poli | No... |
| 18:26.41 | poli | Not again... |
| 18:27.02 | poli | You are confusing both with the good old EPROM which gets erased by UV radiation. :) |
| 18:27.44 | poli | And for that you need a transparent window over the circuit, through the silicon housing. |
| 18:28.29 | Rebecca | no. EEPROM is also sensitive to specific frequencies |
| 18:28.36 | poli | No... |
| 18:28.41 | Rebecca | but it's usually encased properly |
| 18:28.47 | Rebecca | im certain! |
| 18:29.24 | poli | Even if it was, would would have to find a EEPROM in a very specific housing to take advantage of that. |
| 18:29.59 | poli | I have never seen one in such housing, but you might be right. |
| 18:31.12 | Rebecca | i remember reading about EEPROMS light sensitivity in an article where someone was reverse engineering an IC. ;) |
| 18:36.34 | poli | Well, even EPROMs need massive amounts of UV light to get properly erased. I could guess that years of ambient light expusure wouldn't do that. |
| 18:37.27 | nusse | mh, ive tried gpe a bit |
| 18:37.48 | poli | nusse: and? |
| 18:38.03 | nusse | it gives me the feeling of a real x11, but the applications and escpecially pim things are not as good as opie |
| 18:38.32 | nusse | actually i dont really need pim things, but know that i know how cute they are, i want them;) |
| 18:39.44 | nusse | what i hate about opie is that there is no user managment and the error msgs are really crap |
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| 19:22.20 | quitte | found my mmc cards. unfortunately it contains the wrong chip |
| 19:22.54 | quitte | and it doesnt have any pins. the chip is directly in the board. and it is too big |
| 19:28.05 | nusse | what was this keyboard thingie for gpe? |
| 19:28.17 | nusse | poli: did you recommend it? |
| 19:36.48 | nusse | oh, xstroke |
| 19:36.55 | nusse | yes, its cute |
| 19:37.05 | nusse | but what kind of strokes does it use? |
| 19:53.14 | nusse | who takes the wlan0 device always up? |
| 20:19.30 | poli | nusse: grafitti |
| 20:58.44 | Rebecca | poli: how is your 4700 going? :) |
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| 23:06.55 | poli | Rebecca: just fine. :) Draining some battery since last reflash. :) |
| 23:07.25 | poli | Rebecca: I will start working on abiword crash and later I will try to make kbdd work with my (ebay) IR keyboard. |
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| 23:27.01 | Rebecca | poli: good luck :) |
| 23:27.04 | Rebecca | im going to bed now :) |
| 23:27.36 | poli | Rebecca: What time is it? |
| 23:28.20 | Rebecca | Wed Feb 8 10:27:52 EST 2006 |
| 23:28.31 | Rebecca | im nocturnal :) |
| 23:28.47 | poli | wow I noticed... |
| 23:29.04 | poli | 9 PM here :) |
| 23:29.24 | Rebecca | germany? |
| 23:29.44 | poli | I guess it's about 12AM in Germany :) |
| 23:29.49 | poli | Brazil here. :) |
| 23:29.55 | Rebecca | oh, sorry |
| 23:29.59 | Rebecca | gah, i need sleep, lol |
| 23:30.11 | poli | good night :) |
| 23:30.21 | Rebecca | you have a good night |